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when does a debate turn into name calling? When the participants are under the power of the heglelan Dialectic.  here let me help you straighten out your purpose. which is to work togehter>  to get answers > not act like egotists with substandard pissing posts.

http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/05/dialectic.htm

now lets form a base to debate from i have an article V site i have Scotus writsand edits.  Look people calling names is easy whats difficult here is to establish a quantifiable intercourse for the learned as well as the common masses. and STUPID is not in debates protocol.

11 months, 1 week ago on Judge Napolitano to Juan Williams: “You’ve Abandoned The Notion That The Constitution Means What It Says” (Video)

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Lets see if i can explain this in 10,000 words or less

We are at a crossroad. the Emperor has tlold us that he can kill any american he wants and call any one anything he wants. to me this becomes a despotic Tyranny. Now to what lengths are we going to accept this?

and what is my power? is it in the Federal document(Constitution) or the State document (Constitution) or the bill of rights wich in 1833 by the decree of Chief Justice John Marshall  said in his brief  that the Bill of rights was a State document not a Federl one.

We people seem to forget that the Federal document was between the Feds and the States  the Bill of rights was an addendum to the Constitution but not at the federal level but at rthe states. What does this mean?? Well heres one mans thoughts born out by Suprenme court decisions Barron Vs Baltimore. where in there is a seperation from the people and its servants The Federal government . but we the dummies have been trying to become federal citizens from 1868 and the formation of the 14th amendmentr which took us out of the republic and made us a *sic* Democracy  two wolves and one sheep voting whats for supper.

the 2nd amendment > the most important amendment we have now under attack because weve lost all the others and this one they know will be the hardest to take from us.

AKA Police State,  NDAA, Patriot act ,Homeland Security . all have been put into place for just this moment. Now who is our benefactor?

God, The Prodestants? Movie industry? can you name any potential heros?

Well it boils don to us You see you probably know this but the Sheriff is us

 

And its up to is to train him. for if we dont the federal Government will  and i betcha they dont train him our way. forget about national elections they are ours any more. They belong to our coming oppressors.

like for instance th obama Act  now most of the people are working less than 40 hours because the companies are  attacked with massive taxes if you work 40 hours in fact you can only work 30 hours and ytou have to buy your insurance and by 2016 that will amount to 20 thousand dollars per year.

 

Quite a bargain isnt it? you make less and have to pay more. Well i want a county that i and my people along with sheriffs and our posse's and militias tell them to go away.  this can be donme because our power was in outr counties all along!

the Sheriffs are theree to protect us by usingg us in posse's and ,ilitias to help him ptrotect us. but most of you dont get it. you think the governewmtn messedit up now they must fix it. the only thing they will do ius build you concentration cmps like Hitler did for his people//

am iI undestood  do i need to go into this further like Twining vs or heller Vs  how about the insiular cases they tell it all 2nd amendment > your citizenship

Its there all you gotta do is read it.

1 year, 8 months ago on Sheriffs, States and the Supreme Court

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the fight here will become the begining of this civil disturbance. Sheriffs i work with are saying that sites like mine are being used by law enforcemnet in areas who believe that the people and sheriffs are the major defense struture in the states. http://constitutionalsheriffs.ning.com/  yes we can tell others about the wrongness of county law enforecement but if you dont participate then you are part of the problem.

1 year, 8 months ago on Sheriffs, States and the Supreme Court

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 @coastx

 i appreciate your time and much of this i knew. ill study the rest. But you bring up some interesting points if true,  and with this group in power anything is possible.

 Ihad a 160 IQ on entering school it seems lifetimes ago I dont know if my IQ has lessened much but my knowledge base is astronomical . I am what you might call a JOAT but a master at few.

My lineage comes from Royalty on one side (Danish) along with a lineage from  the regions of the Ukraines. I would tell you more but at this moment i have a monsterous headache brought on by an affliction called Obama and his Court.

HMMMM maybe he and i are related down the line?

 

Nahhhh!  This man is an imposter and as as the Emperor elect he has no clothes!

1 year, 9 months ago on 2013: The Tenther Movement Hits its Stride

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We as a people have done exactly as the Declaration says needs  be done.

we watch as our people are drug through the streets,electrocuted, gassed, set upon by vile individuals under edicts of control.  I see people who could help but their words only transmit their frustrations.

I seek answers so therefore i reach deep into the workings of our Supreme Court.

these being the people who should most understand our Nations history.

But then i see case after case of Justices and chief justices wringing their hands over descions which should be  we the peoples actions to transact.

 

I feel the founders knew our coming storm but as they were just men, was never quite able to encarcerate the problems to come in the future of this nation. So they wrote of feelings and desires and to the possibilities of one action to another.

But i have circumvented my own doubts. And with others came to the conclusion that it isnt our Government which has made this tyranny as possible  as it is for the way Humans come to grips with their own responsibilities.

Benjiman Franklin told a woman who had asked him," what form of government do we have?." A Republic madam if you can keep it", he replied.

Thomas jefferson said one time that he felt that this nation would need a Revoluion every 20 years. Why? because people forget old bondage. they want to only remember the good. Man is want to forget all means of servitude, to be replaced by the feelings which make men challenge them selves to higher expectations shedding those chains which make them servile.

So we forget about despotism until it remembers us and we can no longer live in its grasp, then men as described in the Declaration of Independence will once more rise up in such terrible wrath, so total in its nature, that those who were the controllers become nothing but broken dreams. And their world  opened to their minds and to all minds  the nature of their crimes for the coming eternity to see.            Man is truly a strange being.

 

 

1 year, 9 months ago on 2013: The Tenther Movement Hits its Stride

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 @coastx  @WilliamSchooler

 i draw a line  it travels infront of me . On the right is all i know to be held responsible, correct, true and a firm  foundation. While on the left  of that line are my learnings from those who taught me goodness ; who shaped me to respect ,love and help me to understand what is  on  the right.

in the rear is that which follows me which cant understand  feelings of hope , love only what is apathetic,and hopeless. for the life of man is directed toward his destiny and those shadows may slow his travel at times but the light ahead always Keeps him on that path.

to you CoastX your an inttelligent man bu the thoughts of words trip you up as to your path for it is winding and perilous,  and i feel your pain. But you must reach out to the very essense of your being toward that  light for your shadows range to close., and your thoughts too dark.

1 year, 9 months ago on 2013: The Tenther Movement Hits its Stride

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 @WilliamSchooler  @coastx

 Now the mighty have fallen. For their power was in words not in deeds.

1 year, 9 months ago on 2013: The Tenther Movement Hits its Stride

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 @coastx  @Monorprise

 I Love it!  you call me a liberal. you know me not;  only the hollow chambers in you mind causing echos which you react to.

I bet you teach hegelian dialetic to  those who have no brains( this is your admission not mine) that all people on the lower rungs are set upon by Elites ,from which planet? Who suck the very intelligence from our masses minds.

and some kind of cult that  rape pilliage and steal.   Is this out of Russian folk lore? when the red russians backed by the US Banking structure  sent 30 thousand men to help the Red faction over come the white Russians? That for your imformation was the beginning of Communism. today that same structure seems poised on overcoming this nation.

Liberal? you dont even understand itrs meaning if you address it at me.

Are you a troskyite of a Smedley Butlerite?

And finally i think you have the mind fart here not i.

 

1 year, 9 months ago on 2013: The Tenther Movement Hits its Stride

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 @coastx  @Monorprise

 Coast whio are you impressing here? we are headed into a oligarchy which is defined by the banks controlling our money and our nation through fraud ,derivitieves ,other means police state on the rize.  heres what i got from one fyour posts "

.  WE ARE NOT A DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY.  We are a republic what democratic process is constrained and held in check by the Bill of Rights.  PEOPLE DO NOT UNDERSTAND THIS.

 

You must understand. thats why i am making a doc for the sheriffs and people to use at the Citizens level . their power structure not an out of control Elte structure bent on removing all our rights..

your post above had me believing that you are into a speek process that truly concerns me.

 

"The application is the Cult of Castores, and the institution that is performing this macabre enterprise is the Mormon Church, the latter a British  repatriation project."

 

 theres more but i dont like to touch other peoples messes

Look!  you said i ate animals.  I rejected such statement as a fraudulent claim now we get into a war of words which do little good for either of us or this site. And bluntly you need help!

1 year, 9 months ago on 2013: The Tenther Movement Hits its Stride

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 @coastx

 Gees so perceptive! i think .     Im only a mining engineer trained at the Colordeo school  of Mines. so there fore why would one of your stature want to concern yourself with me?  I am no one special  and i may be what you say  am.   But  I dont judge you or myself . My concern is my country.

so you trundle on and speak your double speak and i will do what i do best. That isto study and get ready for the coming times. May you develope good people skills in time for Boy you will  need them.

Oh and last but not least believe me alligators arent your style.

 

1 year, 9 months ago on 2013: The Tenther Movement Hits its Stride

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 @coastx

 hmmm.  for such an enlightened person one would think that you could enlighten an old ignorant person such as myself. But to tell me to eat some ones pet ?, to me that means your  maturity hs been arrested, and  for this i am truly sorry.

and sociopathy may be the wrong term  here, maybe it should be narcicist.

 

1 year, 9 months ago on 2013: The Tenther Movement Hits its Stride

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 @coastx  @Monorprise

 interesting observation but i have seen and visited the LDS and have not made that determination yet.

I think ill read on and see just where the winds blow on this one  as i am unsure of what you are saying Coastx. 

I try to judge very little and i try to keep my mind on the road ahead and sometimes ill miss side events .So i dont say you are incorrect Coastx but i will find in my own mind that determination . I shy from no information but i try to supply myself with all information . thankyou

1 year, 9 months ago on 2013: The Tenther Movement Hits its Stride

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 @Monorprise

 give tht agreement to a sheriff and see wht hesays im making this go viral.

 

1 year, 9 months ago on 2013: The Tenther Movement Hits its Stride

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 @Monorprise  @Quisno sonofthe republic

this is my rebuttel

 

 As the Chief Law enforcement officer in  _____________________ county, you  have taken an oath to uphold and  defend the Constitution for the united States. You are obligated to enforce those laws which are authorized by the Constitution and to refuse to enforce unconstitution measures. This  also means the interpretation of  that document by the Supreme Court. The court has ruled in Barron v  Mayor of Baltimore 32 US 243 that the Bill  of Rights (the peoples  protection) was an aspect of State citizenship  and so was removed from  the Federal Constitution at that time. The Bill  of Rights was drafted  into every State Constitution as it was to be  under State protection.  This State citizen has no knowledge of  an oath to defend the State  Constitution and so therefore the Bill of  Rights. The Second Amendment  is  currently under assault by  the politcal establishment in Washington D.C.In Article I Section 8 of the Constitution the government of the united States only has jurisdicition in an area consisting of 10 miles square. The Supreme Court has ruled that the states and counties Lawfully speaking the Government has no  Jurisdiction to remove anything from a State  Constitution are not required by the Constitution to comply with legislation that they feel violate the Constitution or the unalienable rights of the people. A federal government is one where the states and the central government each participate in the governance of the nation. Limited powers were granted to the central government and virtually all other powers were retained by the states. The states would be the check that would prevent the abuse of power by the central government and the central government would make sure that the rights of the people would be protected from the abuse of the state government. The great  body of case Law even as recently as Miller v US confirms that there is a Jurisdictional line that prevents one  sovereign from interfering with  another. While I cannot ask you to take an oath to uphold and defend the State Constitution (although  that would be appreciated) I can ask you  to enforce the Decisions of the Court since you are indeed an officer of the Law. (I believe that the oath to preserve, protect and defend the constitution applies to both the national as well as the state constitution). I don't think that the sheriff should enforce decisions that violate the Constitution. The fact that the Supreme Court that the Fugitive Slave Law was Constitutional was a wrong decision and when the Sheriff knows that the courts are wrong he needs to stand up for what he knows in his heart is right. Decisions on the Supreme Court are called opinions and are based upon what the Justices of the Supreme Court think. The Constitution has assigned to the Supreme Court the task of enforcing the Constitution, not interpreting it. The Supreme Court is an employee of the people and it is the people that are the final arbiters of questions regarding the Constitutionality of any legislation.  The decisions of the  court on this matter are of no small  importance and carry great weight  as the Supreme Court has been the  main interpreter of the Constitution  since the Honorable John  Marshall's court first introduced Judicial  review. The people in the  county are to be viewed as carrying a dual  citizenship. Their  citizenship in the Federal (US citizenship  Kitchens v Steele) allows  them access to the Federal Constitution and  the incorporated versions  of the Bill of Rights. Their State citizenship (Cruikshank v United  States 92 US 542 , Twining v State of New Jersey  211 US 78 et al)  allows them access to the original Bill of Rights as  drafted into the  State Constitution. Will you protect the State citizens in  _______________________county from all attempts by the Federal government to violate the Constitution for the united States?It  is important that the residents of _______________county know they can rely on the Sheriff to be the guardian of their liberty and the defender of our Constitution. When bureaucrats of the Federal government seek your assistance in implementing unconstitution legislation will you honor your oath or will you take your marching orders from the Federal government?  Case Law is based upon precedents. If the court was wrong in the past, should be continue to misinterpet the law? Basing decisions upon Constitutional Law promotes justice, equality and freedom while Case Law promotes injustice, inequality and tyranny. As the court   has based the entire body of case Law in America on these principles.  You will undoubtedly be given orders to violate someones State   citizenship rights under the Bill of Rights (since these are the only   rights not owing their existence to Federal Power). We need to know you  intend to not follow through with those orders. If you would like to   swear an oath to the State Constitution and the Bill of Rights please do and could we get a copy of your Oath afterward's for verification?   Thank you for your time Sheriff and the opportunity to interface with   you as a State citizen.

1 year, 9 months ago on 2013: The Tenther Movement Hits its Stride

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I say this increase in mans ability is to study history and his progress. In This nation what are our positives. our Constitution? no it is not ours it was made to control our Political system in a land 10 miles square.. Its nature is Federal, a government which we felt we needed to keep our natures in check.

Then comes the Bill of rights introduced into the Constitution but a separate addendum for this was made to let the States control those who we elected to service our moods.

Well the problem here was that man soon become bored with his new Government  thinking that it would guide his ability to perform When itwas set up for him  and to guide its performance. and to elect those who he felt best elected into it.

Enter Ego and another ravager  ( the sociopath)these are in the 1% God told us to watch but how long did we listen.

States held the Bill of Rights> Barron vs Baltimore  Justice John marshall saw the need to make sure that its was conrtained within mans strong hold. But a government unfettered always looks for a way to control.

Now we, as of the 14th amendmen,t are federal citizens as proclaimed by our leaders and we lost the bill of rights as they are with the states.

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 a few have seen this,  went to their halls of records and reinstalled themselves as citizens of the states and its Constituion made for the people  to control State legislatures; And my friends we even have forgotten to use it in a proper manner.

 The federal Government now has long tenticles into our body politic.

Iecle and  Agenda 21 made to do just one thing, to control the peoples freedoms never promoting justice for the masses.

Now it is truly in our interests to revisit our breginning so that we the people may clean up our mess which by the way we created because of boredom and now apathy.

are  we game?. Well lets see.  People, cities counties sheriffs and states = success if we apply the remedy . words still have power and people still outnumber their servants, Not unlike Rome or Sparta whos servants outnumbered the original people.

Our founding was based on elections of those who could best serve us. our Federal and state congress's ,judicial's ,and executve branch use us as their vassles. so now we have a decision to make.

I suggest we talk to those who can best serve us . the sheriffs who are now seeing this Tyranny and wonder how to awaken the people the city councils and county commissioners who have been mostlty spoiled by the welfare which they have recieved. 

We are now at the point of  needing to take back our grass roots structure if we are to survive. And this may have to become the nations 2nd revolution.

 

This are the real facts but  if we use the grass roots platforms in place we can see victory. I am with organizations which bring people and elected officials together. In idaho we are now learning our responsibilities as 'the people'

For if we are to reassume our power then we must use the tools given to us by our Founders.  Election's nationally are now a farce but within our cities and counties we must work.

 Many Law enforcement!  I say again, many law enforcement await your decisions  and as the people it is your choice for to do nothing is to lose that which we say means so much, yet we work for so little . Its truly up to us the awakened          thank you  Quis.

1 year, 9 months ago on 2013: The Tenther Movement Hits its Stride

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We can speak of any sort of way to increase our lineage quality, But first we must be as children in the progression of that duty for as soon as we try the forces against will be more that our ability to overcome individually.  Then and only then does the minds of man come together.

 when every other course closes, and we find that by ourselves we are as leaves in the wind blown from here to there without leaving a trace.

 Mans destiny lies with his maker and his makers duty has always been to make man into himself.  For what other purpose would his maker want as he has guided man for all these centuries.

Yes we forget our roots for man is like the new growth roots very shallow in the ground of his birth Whereby he must learn to increase ttheir depthas well as completing what his maker intended for him.

The body Politic  mans attempt to increase himself. His needs so great as to become eternal but without the makers help his dust leaves no footrints except for those who have achieved new levels in their gifts to the next generations.

1 year, 9 months ago on 2013: The Tenther Movement Hits its Stride

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 @coastx

 Liberalism is that which creeps into the body politic when man has reached a pinnacle. Its a desease of the mind which lets the egotist and sociopath languish in the absurd.

 There are 2 destinys one being short term and  is that man corrupts his nest most generally.

 The other is longer term ,one may say forever and it is based on his conception of truth for in this truth  against his corruption lies resistence. and to 99% of the people resistence is victory and therefore victory is mans destiny.

1 year, 9 months ago on 2013: The Tenther Movement Hits its Stride

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 @marmaru  @coastx

 You must be into the study of law before making statements which may entrap you. In 1833 Justice Marshall seeing that the Bill of rights was for the citizens of each State quantified that statement by taking it and giving it to the citizens of each of the various states.

The Barron vs Baltimore,  Cruikshank even the Thinning cases and the heller case in 1990 bore this out.

You must realize that the Constitution is a Federal document while the Bill of rights made to put more teeth against the actions of the Federal government were as they were the States need to check government encroachment on those rights. The people  now remember  this; were the benefactors to the Trust(Constitution) and the parameter was to be set in the States.    The States were the residence of the soverign. The 14th changed that as it made us all federal citizens (though its first intentions was for the Blacks ).

 We have miagrated in meanings today that are far from our founders intentions, and one must study to see the disconnect in todays politics.

It is up to you, I, and others to reinstall ourselves back into the states as citizens to those States wwith the intended rights of that Bill of rights. i hope this helps you  as its truth will move this nation back into alignment if we use it.

Also remember that in this interim we are being attacked by that corrupt system.

We needs be looking toward our only elected law enforcement to hwlp us in our bringing ths republic back.

Ive always said that the 3 boxes are our salvation. The voting box the Jury box and last but not least the patch box.

Politics is what we make it,  not what others envision it to be.

Good luck in your quest.

1 year, 9 months ago on 2013: The Tenther Movement Hits its Stride

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@mark smith minnesota

Mark in a spech to the DC economy event 12 nov 2002 Ben bernanke told those in attendence 5 things would happen over the next 10 years1 that the depression would deepen. housing would fail does the loaning institutions. 2 that the dollar would steadily decline. 3 to allow more time Qe1, 2. and 3 the fed would support the banking institutions. 4 monetize the debt 5 the devaluing the dollar 40% such as FDR did in 1934 . Like Carrol Quigley said in tragedy and hope shows the steady decline of this country and the periods, and people involved. many say this was christian nation when really it wasnt. it was a combination of all peoples and all religions like at no other time in all of history.

And unless we grab the declaration which is our true power the constitution will die. not only in our hearts but in real time. make your republic your defense guard your freedoms there because it is yours the federal government is no more.Hope is in your state.

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@zam

and your riight i was attempting to show a position is all. i will refrain from now on as there is much and many more angles of approach and as you say independent is not bad idea.

in 2007 i helped ty on his dads run (Mitt Romney) but we came to a bump when i found out he(MITT) had participated in the CFR meetings. and i of course asked him to explain and was immediatly chastized. Well this ol boy dont go no where with out information so my participation in his election campaign died When Ty figured i was too much weight,.

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@zam

well as a practising pragmatist i see your point if i didnt know why. you see i know thast he worked as a CIA operative in afghanastan.

Also he is related to the Bush family. lol lets see if you have any humor. there is more here but is Obama really this important?

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/FOX_Obama_related_to_Bush_Cheney_1017.html

may we pass on as i told you i would retract not from my belief but from the statement.

right now santorum gaimns steam at the expense of RP the young that support him seem to have big mouths and by calling in to talk shows with out proper information are starting to weigh Rp's ship down.

Santorum is the kety to RP's success for if he can come through this unscatheed he can bring all missinformation to bear on RP and bluntly the NWO, mega corporations,and IMF will have won by defult the next step in this police state forming within this country. news on this later.

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when looking at ones statements remember proof is of the essense.

Why is Obama allowing jihadists on the land of this country and all or them proffess to being muslim.

not withstanding the proof of the canps heres some vids and theres many more showing his slips in admission and also others who went in depth to search out the facts. If you still see that i am(not maybe but totally) wrong then i will retract my statement. not my beliefs because i feel they are well founded but to keep order on this site i will refrain from that approach. there is too many other things this man is coming up against(citizenshipbeing the main one).

http://youtu.be/tCAffMSWSzY

http://youtu.be/-WLWN_Gmc-Y

http://youtu.be/Qz0_LNLA9GY

http://youtu.be/HkjFc3S21nY

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@MrKittyBites

like i said i was not happy to have to put it in here. ive been on the TPP site trying to get more people involved in rp as they voted for Gingrich i and several other information gatherers went on a witch hunt and before we were done gingrich met his needed demise.

If i could tell you that we were safe from this tyranny i would but i cant i was in intelligence in vietnam i and many others remember that time as we were used to smuggle drugs from cambodia thru air america to the US lol ad we didnt know it until one of the pilots bragged

about it.

no the messinger isometimes is the fall guy

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@MrKittyBites

ok i knew id get flak on this one because of its very nature. .Borders wide open 30 million illegals understand why. Your president is a muslim your CIA is not controlled by congress they recieve no tax dollars. at one time they could not operate within the borders of this country. a police state is forming . propaganda? yes it could be seen to be that. but from these camps came the underwear bomber. and if not for a Lawyer on board they(*CIA) might haver gotten away with the ploy.

CIA, black- ops within the FBI and BATFE; 2 cartels including the sinaloa group are recieving weapons to give to gangs on american streets.

we are being set up for a police state and martial law as well as military units set to go to peoples houses to inspect and take guns away from them sounds bad? it gets worse.

Fema camps are set up for the remanents from the cities after massive uprising .

. . if too scary just throw this away but keep it in the back of your mind and get angry that your government would do this to you .You the soverign the one this nation was buillt for.

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links first

http://superstore.wnd.com/video/Homegrown-Jihad-The-Terrorist-Camps-around-the-US-DVD

http://rt.com/news/for-the-us-submarine-fleet-it-s-still-a-cold-war/

http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/no-doctor-for-you-how-the-federal-government-is-chasing-millions-of-good-doctors-out-of-the-medical-profession

i am in intellligence i work for you the people. im not in the governemt because they want slaves not patriots. i humbly submit this as every one seems to be interested in these items 1 what is actually going on in the money department.2. what would happen if we attacked Iran

what would happen if we dont and what is our defenswe hab=vee against one nuke. or 10 nukes 0or 100 nukes information we need to feel safe. fact1

our defense network is set up to allow a missle to be launched and in the time it takes for that missle to reach 5000 feet it is destroyed creting an EMT which knocks out all communicatins of that area.

3.we have jihadists in this country allowed by this president to function within our orders there is a trailor and you can buy vid.

Ron paul knows all this and he is especially adept at seeing at keeping our defense structure at optimum strength once he is in office..

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Ron paul this is directed at you

. the young man in uniform who got cut off on the cnn piece then you allowed on to say his praise to you is an act against general protocol in the millitary law.

when in uniform no display toward any candidate is to be allowed. but when in civiliajn dress one can perform their duties as they see fit.

this has been in the military code for hundreds of years. I am your servant and i wish your election but as we are out there in the front lines recieving the daily hits placed on us because we feel you are our hope of the re-establishing of the consttution within the fabric of this executive branch'; it should be as a voice from the people to any tyranny or despotic element within that federal contract and should be made with maximum effect.

. We of the popular movemment within theTPP is being created toward you and need every help that we can mustertoward that end, for those waging this internal war against us leave no stone unturned. Thank you sir, and God bless this nation and its people and you for we are ready for this action.

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