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If Jimmer had this injury (which is very painful), he'd be completely unproductive. Isaiah is still shooting 45% from the field and turning over the ball 2.9 times in 38 minutes since the injury. So don't make stuff up.
2 weeks, 4 days ago on Isaiah Thomas plays through swelling in left wrist
He's 5'10 and a half with shoes on. That's higher then average in the U.S.. he's no midget. Sick of Jimmermaniacs pointing out IT's height when they have no other arguments left against him.
2 weeks, 4 days ago on CK Press Box Report: Golden State Warriors 101, Sacramento Kings 92
Ben plays 23 minutes game with a lot less competition at his position. (Outlaw and a out of his game Thornton, Jimmer doesn't count because Malone won't play him at SG because he doesn't work defensively with Isaiah). Jimmer played 18 minutes per game as a rookie, and had a lot more competition, (Tyreke Evans, a productive Thornton, and was easily outplayed by Isaiah).
Also, honestly, Jimmer should of played a lot less then 18mpg as a rookie. Isaiah was killing it during the second half of the season, but Smart's rotations were horrible and he still kept playing Jimmer way too much when Isaiah was only getting 25-28 mpg when he should of been playing 36.
If Mclemore played under a productive Thornton,Reke and Isaiah that season with Malone as a coach, I doubt Mclemore would play much.
The Kings organization straight up said it was a B.S. report. Use your head, even the dumbest GM wouldn't trade all of that for a recently injured Point guard. Isaiah contract situation is also better because he's a RFA.
Matt Bonner plays under Greg Popovich, and gets 12 minutes per game, shooting 45% from 3pt land, so by your argument Popovich is stupid. Jimmer is a horrible defender, and isn't going to get minutes and PG because Isaiah completely outclasses him, and Malone isn't going to play JImmer and Isaiah at the same time.
2 weeks, 4 days ago on Jimmer Fredette talks NBA trade deadline and future with Sacramento Kings
The answer to why Jimmer doesn't play?
1. Malone won't play him at SG next to Isaiah. Not saying that Malone is right, I'd personally like to see Jimmer at the SG position, but there's a clear logic behind Malone's decision, that Isaiah and Jimmer don't work defensively.
2. Isaiah is going to play 36-38 minutes.
So basically, all that's left is 10-12 minutes. And as far Jimmer not getting enough shots goes, look at his fg attempts per minute, he's taking about 15 shots per 36 minutes, (for about 18 points), he's getting a good amount of looks so don't the idea he doesn't get plays. If you're talking about off the ball screens for Jimmer, he's not going to get those kind of opportunities when he's playing PG.
My point is, that JImmer's playing time has nothing to do with a short leash or a lack of shots
1 month ago on Road Reaction Postgame Show: Boston Celtics 99, Sacramento Kings 88
Isaiah wasn't even matched up against Jerryd Bayless. I mean seriously, how do you think Bayless got a +14 if Isaiah was on the floor while he was and Isaiah somehow still got a +4?
Jimmer Fredette -17, come on.
Btw, I ain't blaming jimmer, the whole Kings bench sucks, but he's nowhere near as good as Isaiah. Yeah, Isaiah is in a shooting slump right now (which happens to all guards in a long NBA season, see Stephen Curry), but overall Isaiah's still an extremely efficient NBA basketball player.
Every guard has high turnover nights, but you have to look at the averages. And as a starter he has 7.3 assists to 2.9 turnovers, for a 2.33 assist to turnover ratio, which is solid. And when you're looking to score more like his last game where he had to, obviously you're going to turn the ball over more. Even Curry averages more than 4 turnovers per game.
1 month, 1 week ago on CK Press Box Report: Indiana Pacers 116, Sacramento Kings 111
First of all, the kings are 9-11 since the trade. 5-14 before the trade. Yes, they are much better. I said the defense was bad, but over the last 10 games, it's gone from 30th in the NBA to 26-27th. (minor improvements, but still means something, and a bigger difference from last season, 106 points per 100 possessions allowed this year, vs. 108 on last season).
And where do get the idea that Isaiah doesn't help the SG's? He's hooked up for MT23 a huge amount of wide open looks that he's simply missed. And Ben is a rookie so he gets some slack, but he's missed a lot of wide open shots coming off screens.
Also don't get why you think Isaiah and Cuz are bad passers. Isaiah is 11th in the NBA in assist opportunities, (setting up a player for a FG attempt) and is higher than good passers like Tony Parker, Mike Conley, Lebron James, and Michael carter Williams. And per 36 minutes, he averages 7 assists a game. Most winning PG's are scorers in this league, Tony Parker wins by averaging 20 and 7 not 10 and 10 for example. That's above average playmaking. DMC is also one of the best passing big men in the NBA in terms of assists. Yeah, he's not consistent and kicking the ball out of the post, but he's by no means a bad passer.
Also the Kings defense is actually a little better with Isaiah on the floor. With him on the floor, they give up 105.6 points per 100 possessions, vs. 107.3 with him off the floor. And offensively, there is a huge difference. 105.5 points on the floor, vs. 99.4 per 100 possessions while off the floor. He leads the team in +/- and is the only member with a positive +/-. He's not the reason this team is losing flat out and simple.
1 month, 2 weeks ago on Road Reaction Postgame Show: Oklahoma City Thunder 108, Sacramento Kings 93
That doesn't make any sense. The Kings record is much better since the trade despite playing against even tougher competition. And their offense has improved drastically since the trade while the defense, while still bad, has made mild improvements. How does it not look good? Isaiah, Gay, Cuz, have all played better since the trade. Only player I think the Kings miss is Patrick Patterson who is really a good player. But Jimmer's been a good enough backup PG that we don't need Vasquez.
"Upside is much greater"??? See that's what I don't get. What potential are you seeing? Other then 3pt shooting, Isaiah is far superior than Jimmer in every facet of the game, that's just a fact.
1 month, 3 weeks ago on Road Reaction Postgame Show: Sacramento Kings 111, Minnesota Timberwolves 108
@TABDOG @Ryan Silva That's the problem. I want Jimmer to play well because I want the Kings to win, because I'm Kings fan. If Jimmer turned into Steve Nash, that'd be awesome. But I'm not delusional, he's showing himself as a good backup PG, no reason to get insane expectations.
In comparison it feels like most Jimmer maniacs always root against at his competition (Isaiah, Reke, Thornton, etc. ) and root for them to fail so that Jimmer can play. They don't care about wins/losses, etc. They just want him to play. It's nothing unique either. Tim Tebow, Jeremy Lin, other basketball college stars among others have gotten ridiculous fan support at the cost of reasoning.
Isaiah plays 36-38 minutes as a starter, vs. 25-28 as a 6th man. There's still a big jump in production. The team is significantly better with him as a starter, that's just statistical fact. Also as far as the win stats go, Isaiah net rating on and off the court are superb. He leads the team in +/- as well.
The team's offense scores 106 points per 100 possessions with him on the floor, vs. 100 points per 100 possessions with him off the floor.
They are individual numbers, not team numbers. Read closely, "How the opposing PG does when Isaiah is on the floor" for example. That means how well Lillard scored when Isaiah was on the floor specifically. So Lillard's game is included in there. But that's one game, you gotta learn to look at the average.
And the shooting efficiency number TS% counts free throw attempts. Meaning if Isaiah has 59 TS% then on his field attempts and every two free throw attempts, he scores at 59% rate when including three pointers. Points per shot, doesn't make that distinction and overvalues for players that shoot free throws a lot, but it's still a good stat because free throws are a underrated part of NBA efficiency.
Isaiah isn't getting assists cause the Kings are athletic. He's a PnR master. (has been his whole career) I mean seriously don't get this rumor that he's a bad passer. He's 12th in the NBA in assist opportunities. (higher then Tony Parker, Lebron, among others) He's been running PnR fantastically with Rudy Gay, there's a reason Gay is so much more efficient. He has great chemistry with Isaiah. Also, Demarcus is much more efficient player when Isaiah's is on the floor. So in fact, Isaiah's the one who makes things easier for both Gay and Cuz, rather then the reverse.
Ray Mccallum is an unproven 2nd round pick. No reason he should be discussed as a better PG then Isaiah.
Look, if CP3 or Curry come to the Kings, sure Isaiah would still be a great backup. But he's played like a top 10 PG this season, (Top 15 without injuries) and is only 24 years old. He has great chemistry with Cuz, and I think makes a great 1, 2, 3, punch with Gay and Cuz.
Lastly, as far as Cuz goes. He should never look to shoot jumpers. That's why his FG% was so bad earlier. Keith Smart had the same idea, and it was horrible. He needs to take it inside every game, and that's why he is having the best season of his career. Malone's done a solid job in my humble opinion, the Kings are slightly better defensively,
Cuz, Thomas, and Gay are all much better under him, and there offense has been fantastic this year. (12th in the NBA)
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What? It's not Isaiah's fault if the other team's Point guard gets assists. (Tho btw, Isaiah is pretty equal to his matchup in assists on the season). That's more of a testemant to how bad Thornton, Gay, Cuz, and JT are at defense. They are all bad off the ball and PnR defenders. (They leave their man open way too much). Anyways, a good defensive PG is nice, but the reality is they are uncommon. Curry, Parker, Irving, Lawson, etc. are not considered good defenders, but are still great to elite point guards for their offensive production. And Isaiah's is also great.
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Thornton's defensive numbers to opposing SG's per 36 minutes: 15.9 points per game, 11.8 shots per game, 57.4 effective field %, 1.35 points per shot. (elite efficiency).
Isaiah's defensive numbers to opposing PG's per 36: 16.2 points per game, 13.6 shots per game, 47.7 effective field goal%, 1.19 points per shot. (average efficiency)
Jimmer's defensive numbers to opposing PG's per 36:
21 points per game, 15.6 shots per game, 61.1 effective field goal%, 1.35 points per shot.
So basically, both Thornton and Jimmer are atrocious defenders. They allow there man to score way too efficiently. Also, realize, Thornton guards SG's which isn't a very talented NBA position and he's still so bad, and Jimmer is guarding backup point guards.
In comparison, Isaiah is by far a better defender then both of them. Why he still has work to do, especially in PnR defense, he's a solid isolation defender, and also remember the PG position is the most talented position in the NBA, and Isaiah's done a semi decent job, (especially the last couple games) of keeping PG's from not killing us. (Obviously I understand he has bad nights)
Anyways, Isaiah elite offensively tho, and combine that with mediocre defense, and he's still a very good PG.
As far as Jimmer vs. thornton goes, both are awful defensively. But atleast Jimmer makes his shots this year. Tho I doubt Malone will ever play Isaiah and Jimmer together.
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First off, Isaiah doesn't just get the "obvious assists". That's just an opinion, not a fact. His chemistry with Cuz and Gay is fantastic lately. He does set up the offense, I have no idea where you're getting this from, do you even watch the games?
Seriously, You're talking like Isaiah's runs a bad NBA offense. The Kings are the 12th best offense in the NBA. And Isaiah's a huge part of that. With Isaiah on the floor, the kings score 106 points per 100 possessions which is great. In comparison, when he's off the floor, the Kings score 100 points per 100 possessions, which is absolutely awful and the worst off the court offensive rating on the team. You can't deny that.
As far as stats go, they mean something. You can't just throw them out the window. Every great player has great stats.
Tony Parker, Stephen Curry, Westbrook, Derrick Rose, etc. are all winning starting PG's with dynamic stats.
Btw, here's something interesting for you.
The Kings offense with the "true PG" Grievas Vasquez on the floor: 98.6 points per 100 possessions. That's atrocious. Kings are 10-10 since Vasquez was replaced with Isaiah, and I'd say they are very happy with that move. Kings are 6-4 over their last 10 games, and making great strides. They are already a potent offense, and just need to make some steps defensively.
Isaiah's Opposing PG's Production with him on the floor:
Per 36 minutes: 16.3 points per game, 13.5 shots, 16.4 PER (Isaiah still completely outplays his matchup)
Isaiah's not the best defender, but he's not nearly as bad as you make him out to be. He's pretty close to average, and the reality is the point guard is the most loaded position in the NBA. PG's are on the floor for offense not defense.
"He surprised you with his good shooting"??? That's strange, considering throughout his career he's been borderline elite in efficiency as a scorer. (this season he has TS% of 59%, which is higher then Stephen Curry, CP3, and many others). He's always been an efficient scorer, that's a fact. Also, 2.8 rebounds in 31 minutes is pretty solid for a PG. (average is about 3 for 36 minutes), So don't know you're point there. As far as turnovers go, Isaiah's struggled tonight, but career wise, he takes very good care of the ball and has a solid assist/turnover ratio.
Yeah, he had a bad game yesterday against the Pacers, they're an elite defense, that matches up very well against us. Everyone has bad games, but in terms of consistency, Isaiah's been consistently great this season.
So "Upper echelon PG"??? Yeah. He's dropping 20 points on high efficiency with 7.5 assists with a 9-10 record as a starter. That's great production. You like to point out his short off moments, but you completely ignore the averages.
He's not a ball hog, he's 12th in the NBA in assist opportunities, (measures how much one creates an assist chance for his team) and averages 15.5 shots per 36 minutes. In comparison CP3 averages 15 shots.
Isaiah's Defense: Opposing PG's Production with him on the floor: