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1. Does God need your permission if He wants to auto-generate a Son still without breaching the principle of the Oneness of YHWH?
Job. 30:4 מִי עָלָֽה־שָׁמַיִם וַיֵּרַד מִי אָֽסַף־רוּחַ בְּחָפְנָיו מִי צָֽרַר־מַיִם בַּשִּׂמְלָה מִי הֵקִים כָּל־אַפְסֵי־אָרֶץ מַה־שְּׁמֹו וּמַֽה־שֶּׁם־בְּנֹו כִּי תֵדָֽע׃
Or maybe because you did not ascend on high to the Almighty He has to ask your approval and your seal upon His Wisdom on Earth?
Should He have applied to any Rabbi when He appeared to Abraham with the other two angels who later left to Sodom?
Did Sarah prepare a meal at the Plains of Mamre when the Lord appeared to Abraham?
Did God apply to a Prophet when He appeared to Manoah and His Wife? Who is the Angel of the Lord and who was Melchisedech?
Who is the Son of Psalm 2 and how was He generated?
Why it is so blasphemous that God himself takes our place in judgement as the blood of animal sacrifices are clearly a Messianic type of a greater reality?
Didn't Yeshua say there is no greater Love than surrender your own life for your friends?
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@tiborspitz @davidelijah777 I am not a Catholic anyway and neither a Neo-Constantinian. Your apologetic technic is skilled but not effective with Jews and Christians who really know what is cooking in the doctrinal dispute.
@SientjeSeinen "Gentile Believers" in Yeshua are not Goyim anymore (see Eph.4) but the ropes with Israel will be cut by the Goyim of the NWO.
The sort of Judaism advocated by aryehsax & tiborspitz will face a hard time with the Nations.
Israel will be saved but the Siege of Jerusalem will be a struggle following a false covenant with the wrong partners and a false advocate. Only the joying with the true Messiah and His Body will be a Resurrection from the Death.
The strength of Israel is not sufficient without this last condition to face a global coalition of the nations.
@JayIsaac Oh Yes... of course as I lived in Venice... it is called "Ghetto".
Why you do not leave your people to judge what is "a suitable place" or even a suitable theology as we still do in the West in spite the late push for theocracy?
@aryehsax @tiborspitz @SientjeSeinen
I find amusing how in your story the Chief Sanhedrin Minister of the Police Rabbi Saul of Tarsus of the tribe of Benjamin, circumsidet the VIII day, Pharisee and Disciple of Gamaliel could fool you, Israel, the Sanhedrin with His made-up visions, stories and doctrines actioned on the way to Damascus. Very amusing the way you explain how the all Nation of Israel, Her future and the all world has been fooled by a Jewish Heretic. No surprise "The Goyim" will want to cut the ropes with Israel - Pslam 2.
@tiborspitz @aryehsax @davidelijah777
I will reply to your theological issues, but in the meantime the real issue here is about loyalty and freedom as follows.
I noticed that your skilled apologetics uses the same/similar strategy and arguments of Muslim preachers Mr Shabir and Mr Dedat against the Gospel, the Apostle Paul, the Resurrection and the same Tanak, which they accuse of falsification and deception as you do with the New Testament.
I am not surprised many rabbis prefer the friendship and cooperation of Islam in comparison with "Christianity". I met one of this rabbi and clearly stated his dislike for Conservative Christian friendship and his favour for Islam. Let me tell you that the dream of Al-Andalus in progress in Europe if this is a good news for many Jews.
Youtube is full with these sort of Christian Vs Islamic debates and in spite they look very "democratic" I must point out some basic ridiculous discrepancies which apply also to you and the the present case of the Kashrut.
It is easy to enjoy a public forum in Sweden of Amsterdam or Melbourne or Rome... and allege Islam is better Christian than the Christianity - as you do when you say you got the best "Know-how" about Yeshua than Christian Theology does... "because He was Jewish and nobody better than the Jews can understand Him..."
These Muslim preachers have become experts of "Think-Tanks" in the West and Vs "Judeo-Christianity" as they preach vehemently but politely in the Western fashion while the same debates could not take place in places like Saudi Arabia were the blasphemy law supersede their democratic ecumenico-syncretistic propaganda in the West.
In some limited degree - as you do not slice the hands of Christians converts for reading the New Testament - this sort of "Al-Andalus" rabbinical Judaism does the same think and I'll tell you why.
1. The Conservative Evangelicals have proved to be the backbone of Western Freedom with the IIWW when Judaism was close to extinction. That was also an investment of trust in line with the same British settlement of the ME when they abrogated the Caliphate...
The hope was that a "Moral Majority" of Judeo-Christians would be the Warrantors and the Protectors of Freedom in the world.
2. Israel as a state finally comes back to life - and several times saved and assisted for Her own survivals to a degree that the West had to suffer several types and degrees or retaliations...
3. In the meantime a NWO - well activated by the same axis of Free Market-Bilderberg Partners&Sons - develop in the West to such a degree that secularism, Mammon and Luciferian wing of Zionism changes the Chinese Communism and Islamic "Moderate" in favourite partners - The West therefore export investments and imports selected refugees while over 1Million Christian Martyrs eventuate in these new Partners&Sons countries.
4. The hoped "Moral Majority" starts to shrink and become the "Moral Minority"... but interestingly the Luciferian Wing of Zionism increase the assets via the Banking+Financial System in place even before President Kennedy "passed away"... sure not by chance of mad killer. What Kennedy denounced was the cause of future USA default...
5. Christians and Christianity (eswpecially the Conservative "Backbone") finally enters the stage of harassment in the same West at home, first with "Think-Tanks" (Muslims call it "Dawah") and then with even Physical Harassment.
6. Secular ideologies, unsuitable immigration (against the nature of Western Freedom) and increasing NWO strategy of intentionally creating default in Western governments - with the blessing and the supervision of occult - now semi-occult - global powers are finally not only changing the democratic nature of the West but even starting persecuting directly Biblical Judeo-Christians and Christianity.
My point is simple... The sort of Judaism that is coming out of this last decades procedure risks to become anti-Christian after all the benefit it enjoyed from it.
7. Jews, Judaism, Yeshivot, Rabbis, Synagogues and likewise Mosques, Islam, Imams, candidate Caliphs, Jihadists... and likewise secular/Luciferian Zionists, III Gen.Templars, Rockfellers&Rothchilds, IMF, UN, Trilaterals, NWO, Evolutionist Dawkins Tribes, Naturalists, New Age... Bankers, Bushes and Baraks... all enjoyed the "American Dream" but now their new trend is SPITTING OVER THE PLATE of the MORAL MAJORITY who made all this freedom possible... ignoring with their Media the over 1Million Christian Martyrs their new customers produced in the way to NWO.
8. The "Conservative Back-Bone " which to stay FREE and therefore no marriage with Nazi-Fascist autocracy will take place, but the time will come when the new Luciferian/Secular NWO friends of Israel will leave Her alone and under siege.
The issue here is "RECIPROCITY & LOYALTY" and not so much THEOLOGY. Of course your sort of Rabbinical Judaism doesn't agree with Paul and the Real Royal Yeshua... of course your exegesis of Isaiah 53 is what it is... The point is that we aspect from Judaism, Jewishness, Kashrut, Knesset, Rabbis, Synagogues an open loyal dialogue and civilised "Judeo-Messianic" democratic sincere and affectionate coexistence.
This is the point my dear friends and you risk to fail this vital point at your own detriment and risk of Israel Herself.
I'll send this post as it is with no editing as I am in a hurry - I am not a professional apologist paid by any denomination or missionary entity.
@aryehsax @davidelijah777 @tiborspitz I do not doubt the heroism of Rabbi Akiva but his "rabbinical" pick of Bar Kochba as Messiah indicates that correct exegesis is not just matter of Biblical Philology and Judaica. Rabbi Akiva disgraced the memory of Yeshua and the rich existence of the Messianic community.
When "The Way" penetrated the Roma Empire a new struggle took place and especially the Jewish component of the Messianic Church had to suffer a new fierce persecution. The result was a lesser version of the Church of Jerusalem but it started a new trend in the West. Shabbat as a consequence was also changed in to Sunday...
Israel today has got the great chance to embrace a vital and ancient part of his own spiritual history and make it again its own for the "rainy time to come".
Israel is not adequately aware of the future struggle to come but the Jewish Messianic Spiritual Intelligentsia is...
The thought of YHWH for Israel are much higher than Israel Herself.
My advise to Israel is embracing in love the Messianic Community and change in wealth and richness what many Jews think it is a threat.
Such spiritual unity is a reality in the heavenly realm and therefore it will lead to the vital destination God has already determined in His Will. Whoever will oppose it - I believe - will suffer the damage.
@aryehsax @davidelijah777 @tiborspitz I never neglected the chance to listen to rabbis but I will not follow Rabbi Akiva who exposed the Jewish believers in Yeshua compelling them to support Bar Kochba in the war against the Romans. Persecution and confiscation against Messianic Jews was not wise.
@truthseekr Lack of tolerance is a fast infectious disease.
If you justify it... it will come back to you in cycle. Instead the solution is the immune system of Truth. If your truth can't stand then you are weaker than the "heresy" you do not tolerate. Freedom is the vehicle of Truth and it operates in the way of Light. If you cover the Light you and your truth are darkness.This is also the reason why all those who enjoy the Western freedom without reciprocity are in the best scenario the most successful bunch of losers.
A Jewish mind should not waste its time in palliative cover-ups but in replying with maimoinedean apologetics.
@pinspire This is not Freedom. Everybody should be allowed to explore and choose. Anyway "Christianity" is not a new religion from a biblical perspective. Freedom cannot be one way and only in the West. The West cannot stand any longer double standards without Interfaith+Human Rights Reciprocity. This of course applies primarily to Islam = re-directing their masses of refugees and plotting to implement Sharia in the West. Jews can open all their coffee shops and synagogues + banks and business of course & alike... without restrictions... Why Israel should not reciprocate and store theocracy for the theocratic?
@SientjeSeinen @davidelijah777 Dear Siencje - of course we agree. I however believe that a true Jew is in the same faith of Abraham. The issue is that this faith should lead to the New Covenant in order to reach the intention of God in His Eternal Plan of regenerating a Human Stock for the purpose of introducing "IT" to His own Divine Substance. We call this entity "The Bride of Christ" which of course is the "New Covenant" consequence of the "Bride of YHWH" -Israel.
The two are related of course and in spite the apparent distinction... the Godhead is the same One. This is an essential point were mainstream Judaism gets stuck and the Kerigma becomes a stumbling block.
@tiborspitz Biblical Christianity is not a new religion but just Messianic Judaism. Messianic means "Christian" and therefore technically "Christianity" is simply part of Biblical "Yawism". All this turmoil about "Conversion" is useless as the New Testament explains well that are the Gentiles who are aliens from the covenants of Israel... Conversion for a Gentile means being adopted by God YHWH to be included in the Commonwealth of Israel via the New Covenant with Israel - not the Gentiles - of Jer.31:31. For a genuine Jew this New Covenant is only an update in order to write the Will of God in His heart... Yeshua is the WAY fro this updating and therefore the "Conversion" for a Jew means simply receiving His promised Messiah and not converting to a new religion.
Without Bloodshed there is no remission of Sins. The real Yom Kippur sacrifice is Yeshua.