I became a Leafs fan back in 1978. Lanny McDonald scored over the Islanders in game 4 of the Quarterfinals and I was hooked for life.
@Cameron19 @Leafs2 Isles1 Still, from '65 to '90 you'd think that there'd be a longer list.
1 hour, 42 minutes ago on Saturday Mashup: NHL Draft Lottery – Connor McDavid or Bust
Earlier their was a post about #1 draft picks winning the Stanley Cup. It got me thinking about #1s who made it to the Hockey Hall of Fame. I can only think of three. Can anyone think of more?
1 hour, 47 minutes ago on Saturday Mashup: NHL Draft Lottery – Connor McDavid or Bust
@MrLeafs That means nothing. That last number spot could have been anything from 0 to 9. What this is really saying is that, when that number was being picked, the Leaf's had a 1 in 10 chance of getting the correct number. The Leaf's went into the lottery with a 1 in 10 chance of winning it. The headline should read, "MAPLE LEAF ODDS WERE 1 IN 10 AT THE START AND THEY REMAINED 1 IN 10"
What do we learn from this, most people don't understand how probability works.
6 hours, 1 minute ago on Saturday Mashup: NHL Draft Lottery – Connor McDavid or Bust
@MaxwellHowe The problem with drafting Dmen is that it is a less than certain pick. Still, you have to take a chance sometimes.
6 hours, 6 minutes ago on Saturday Mashup: NHL Draft Lottery – Connor McDavid or Bust
@NotSince67 @ProfessorRance @Dougie Wraparound Because Edmonton just got McDavid. They will start wanting to win ASAP. They've now got depth at centre and youth. Probably couldn't get him as easily before. And Toronto needs to do everything in its power to build up a stable of top quality young players. Getting a top center prospect is a good move.
13 hours, 25 minutes ago on Saturday Mashup: NHL Draft Lottery – Connor McDavid or Bust
@ProfessorRance @Dougie Wraparound I think they would give it some thought. Gardiner played with Shultz in college. They're about the same age. And Edmonton needs goaltending.
13 hours, 33 minutes ago on Saturday Mashup: NHL Draft Lottery – Connor McDavid or Bust
@Dougie Wraparound I'd think that they'd keep their pieces until they are closer to the cap.
13 hours, 38 minutes ago on Saturday Mashup: NHL Draft Lottery – Connor McDavid or Bust
@leafmealone Lupul to L.A., Bozak to Boston, van Riemsdyk to Vancouver, I'm for lots of trades that push the boundaries of alliteration.
16 hours, 37 minutes ago on Saturday Mashup: NHL Draft Lottery – Connor McDavid or Bust
@leafmealone I'd like to see a bigger deal than that. But I agree. Strike while the iron's hot. In their ecstasy, the Oiler might be convinced to make some moves that would help us more than them.
16 hours, 40 minutes ago on Saturday Mashup: NHL Draft Lottery – Connor McDavid or Bust
@Omac13 That's all I can think of right now. They need a goalie and we've got Bernier. They need defence and we've got Phaneuf. Gardiner and Schultz played together in College. They've got some young talent, like Draisitl (sp) and Nurse.. Their has to be a trade.
16 hours, 44 minutes ago on Saturday Mashup: NHL Draft Lottery – Connor McDavid or Bust
@DeclanK @MaxwellHowe What's your definition of shit? Bozak shit? Because right now, Bozak's our 1C.
16 hours, 57 minutes ago on Saturday Mashup: NHL Draft Lottery – Connor McDavid or Bust
@MaxwellHowe I'm thinking the same way you are. Edmonton will want to fast track to being an elite team. Expectations will be higher than ever. They'll be in a mood to make some deals.
@In it to Winnik Phaneuf and Bernier would help them a lot.
16 hours, 59 minutes ago on Saturday Mashup: NHL Draft Lottery – Connor McDavid or Bust
@TheColborneUltimatum @Leafs2 Isles1 Maybe Phaneuf.
17 hours, 2 minutes ago on Saturday Mashup: NHL Draft Lottery – Connor McDavid or Bust
Draisaitl and Nurse could be got from Edmonton.
What would it take?
17 hours, 3 minutes ago on Saturday Mashup: NHL Draft Lottery – Connor McDavid or Bust
@MaxwellHowe @Leafs2 Isles1 Good point. What's a likely return for Bernier?
17 hours, 13 minutes ago on Saturday Mashup: NHL Draft Lottery – Connor McDavid or Bust
Alright, what can we trade to Edmonton and what do we get back? They're keeping McDavid for sure. But they'll want to improve their franchise quickly. Is Kessel a better fit or Phaneuf?
17 hours, 15 minutes ago on Saturday Mashup: NHL Draft Lottery – Connor McDavid or Bust
@Yaknowwhat Burke promised the fans a lunch pail group. But he didn't give us any meat and potatoes. Instead, he gave us desserts. Now, dessert makes every meal better. But all desserts just makes us sick.
5 days, 15 hours ago on Brendan Shanahan well aware of past managerial downfalls
@Dogger Randy played to win. He did about as good a job as he could with the hand he was dealt. He had to pad egos and I think that bothered him to no end. Say what you will about the list of players now gone, there are 3 or 4 guys on this team that are the real reason for winning and losing and those guys are either in roles that they shouldn't be in or they just don't want to compete at the necessary level.
Randy was an above average coach. Hoarcheck is a below average coach.
1 week ago on Game 82 Scoring Chances: Canadiens 4 vs. Maple Leafs 3 (SO)
On Stephen Brunt's comments. Phaneuf shouldn't be singled out. He might not be likable, but he tries. I don't think he comes across as a guy who rubs his lack of effort into the fans' faces.
Kessel is the leader in that department. He started the season making light of his summer fitness routine even though, last year, he appeared to run out of gas as the season progressed. He's taken no responsibility at all for the Leaf's poor season. Bozak backs Kessel up because Kessel is his friend, and, lets face it, Kessel is his meal ticket in the NHL. Other Leafs, I look at Garndiner, are similar to Kessel. Fast and skilled but not showing any compete level and not taking responsibility for it.
What Booth did in practice should have been done back in January. This team needs some older guys to smack the young guys around the head. But they have nothing. This "young group" that was supposed to grow together has. But their growth has been in the wrong direction.
2 weeks, 4 days ago on Leafs Notebook – April 1
@mcloki @Leafs2 Isles1 @Buds Mackenzie Yep. You're right. My mistake.
3 weeks ago on Game 76 Scoring Chances: Maple Leafs 4 vs. Senators 3 (OT)
@mcloki @Buds Mackenzie You mean Colaiacovo and Steen to St. Louis for Lee Stempniak. Burke had good trades, but he also made bad trades.
@Buds Mackenzie He put too much faith in the U.S. collegiate system. That's why he drafted Biggs from Miami University.
@Buds Mackenzie I'm not convinced the JVR Schenn deal was that much of a coup.
First of all, I remember Burke crowing that he and Ron Wilson were better for Schenn's development than playing another year of junior. Who knows, but in my opinion, he diminished the career potential of Schenn.
Sure, JVR's got plenty of skill. But Philly was looking to move him. Every time I see JVR try to score in some low percentage way (like his though the legs shot in close) I just roll my eyes.
I don't get the admiration for Brian Burke. His strong point was how he interacted with the media. He markets himself very well too. But he really was a poor judge of hockey talent.
Guys he brought in usually came with warts. JVR, Kessel, Phaneuf, Gardiner are all examples of players who came to the Leafs because their original teams were trying to get rid of them.
He really believed that guys like Christian Hanson and Brayden Irwin were good finds.
He thought Tim Conolly, Mike Komisarek and Garnet Exelby were going to make the Leafs better.
His draft record was very poor.
He said he was going to make the Leafs tougher to play against and then made a point of bringing in players who were easier to play against.
@Cameron19 @Leafs2 Isles1 I know that it is not a great analogy, but look at Dany Heatly. He was a two time 50 goal scorer (who just scored 39 goals) and whose character was questioned. He was traded for Milan Michálek, Jonathan Cheechoo and a second-round pick. You think that if his character wasn't better that Ottawa wouldn't have gotten more back for him? I know that he demanded a trade and that had its affects. But playing lousy when your character is questioned has its repercussions too.
3 weeks, 1 day ago on Game 75 Scoring Chances: Panthers 4 vs. Maple Leafs 1
@FRyan @Leafs2 Isles1 Sure, but there were already misgivings about these guys for their lack of drive. This year makes it more obvious.
Also, how many guys cash in on one good year. If a guy like Clarkson can get a payday (and he was offered money by more than one team) for a great year, than a guy like Kessel can have his value diminished for another year of poor effort.
Honestly, if Kessel gets 40 goals this year or JVR gets 30 goals or Gardiner gets 40 points, than they would be a hot commodity and trading them would improve the Leafs quite a bit.
The problem with tanking is that the team is taking from Peter to pay Paul. Sure, its great to have a better draft pick. But to get the better draft pick, the trade value of the Leafs is also tanking. What's better, getting the 4th pick or the 8th pick? The difference evaporates when, to get the 4th pick, you have to settle for much less for Kessel and Gardiner and JVR etc and etc. You could even argue that, if those guys were playing lights out right now, their return would be better than whatever a number 4 draft pick will ever be.
I wonder if he'll end up being better or worse than Christian Hanson? Guess it doesn't hurt finding out.
4 weeks, 1 day ago on Toronto Maple Leafs sign Nikita Soshnikov to 3-year Entry-Level Deal
@docmma Right now, the MSM mimics social media. Reporting and points of view are usually terrible because media outlets are basing everything on what is "hot" on the internet. This is done in an effort to boost ratings. The fact that it is inane doesn't seem to matter.
1 month ago on GDT: Game #69, Toronto Maple Leafs at Calgary Flames (8 p.m., SN)
@Xxxxxnew The Leafs were an up-and-coming team back in 1977-78. Then Harold just destroyed them. Since, then, being a Leaf fan has mostly been like being in an abusive relationship. You keep on hoping that tomorrow will be a better day, and sometimes it is, but mostly it just gets worse.
1 month, 1 week ago on Game 68 Scoring Chances: Maple Leafs 4 vs. Sabres 3 (SO)
On the media. I really don't think that it is hard to play in Toronto, if you're a player who is willing to play. Guys like Gilmore and Clark (and go back further to Sittler and McDonald) have been put on a pedestal by fans, even though the Leafs never won the Cup with them in the line-up. What they did was they played with their hearts. Most Leaf fans know when a guy is trying. That's what the fans want.
Sundin never really played with his heart like those other guys did. As a result, many fans don't put him on the same pedestal.
Kessel...well, he's sowing what he has reaped. He can't stand the media (main stream or social), but he also takes no responsibility for why the media has turned on him and the Leafs. If the Leafs were to make it into the playoffs and Kessel were to have scored some important goals in that journey, he would be idolized.
To sum it up. Playing in Toronto isn't as hard as it is let on to be. As long as you play to the best of your abilities and show that you care. If you don't, than the fans will eat you up and the media will too...because fans drive what they say.
1 month, 1 week ago on Leafs Notebook – March 10
@ninepaces @gilmourhalloffame @Leafs2 Isles1 funny...I wrote the same phrase (I did and I was) and then deleted it.
1 month, 1 week ago on GDT: Game #66, St. Louis Blues at Toronto Maple Leafs (7 p.m., CBC)
@HHT @Leafs2 Isles1 I agree with your stance that he's the kind of player you bring in when your team is already formed in a strong manner and you need some scoring.
Right now, whether anyone wants to admit it or not, he's one of the guys that the team looks to for its identity...and he should not be that guy. His comments to the media show it.
When Burke brought him in, and I know that he was younger then, but when he first joined the Leafs, the team actually got worse.
I don't know if this is being positive or being negative.
The Leaf's need to trade Kessel. I really think that he is not a positive influence on the team. After trading him, the Leaf's will improve. Addition by subtraction. The rebuild will go a lot quicker than anticipated. Kessel has got speed and a great shot. But he lacks a sense of responsibility - on the ice and off the ice. It is that lack of responsibility that is why the Leaf's have faltered so much since his time in the blue and white.
@Burtonboy @Jay_Berg Another negative aspect of guaranteed contracts occurs when a player gets a career changing injury. I know that it is not the players fault if he gets a concussion or really bad injury. But if he's locked in for 5 or more years at a high salary and then cannot play at that level any more, it really makes no sense that his cap hit remains the same. There's got to be a way to resolve the problem,
@wiski Two of those teams wouldn't make it into the playoffs if they continued at that rate of pts/game. 22 pts in 20 games means 90 pts over 82 games. 24 pts in 20 games gives a team 98 pts, which is just enough to get in as one of the bottom seeds.
1 month, 1 week ago on Game 65 Scoring Chances: Lightning 4 vs. Maple Leafs 2
@NiagaraFallsThunder @Xxxxxnew I really think that the way he moved to Vancouver revealed his flaw as a hockey player. He just lacked the final gear that I want to see.
@Burtonboy Analytics is really like fishing in a barrel with a shotgun. The better teams will be statistically better using any statistical measurement because they are better teams. The stats behind analytics are no better than using +/- . Its like saying that the best way of measuring intelligence is to look at high school report card marks. Sure, most people who got top marks were intelligent. But I think that it is pretty well understood that those marks miss a lot.
1 month, 2 weeks ago on Game 65 Scoring Chances: Lightning 4 vs. Maple Leafs 2
This team might not be built like a Stanly Cup contender. But they certainly have the talent make the playoffs. Your assessment of player talent is based on a Stanly Cup contender.
Yes, it is the GMs who have put this team together, not the players.
But there is another way of looking at it though.
The players are responsible for what happens on the ice. If the team is winning, then the negative comments about Phaneuf go away and are replaced by positive comments. If Kessel scored more important goals (eg. game tieing and game winning goals) than the team would win more. Ask the players, and they all say that they think they have a good team, which would be a vote of confidence for what the GMs have done.
Kessel is blaming the media, while taking no responsibility. If he wants to back Phaneuf up, then he should do so on the ice.
What I find upsetting is that Kessel and Gardner have both taken steps backwards as players since getting their long term deals. That's one of the major reasons why this team is not successful.
1 month, 2 weeks ago on Ron Wilson: “Leafs Rebuild will take 7 or 8 years”
Here's a questions. What happens if Horton retires? I assume that he won't because it would mean that he would stop being paid. So then, what would happen if the Leaf's offered Horton a job in management for $5 million a year. If he retired then, would all of the cap implications of his contract be gone altogether?
1 month, 3 weeks ago on Friday Mashup: It Really Happened
@MLHS_Luke I see this as a definite short term (next couple of years) way for the Leafs to improve. Carry the salary of decent Free Agents on one year deals for half the year. Then, trade them for some draft picks. It helps the players (they get a shot at proving themselves after being cast aside by their original club), it helps the Leafs (draft picks), it helps the other teams (they save some money by not having to pay a "role player" for the whole year and can wait until towards the end of the season before making decisions on who they need).
1 month, 3 weeks ago on Daniel Winnik Traded to Pittsburgh
@Burtonboy Again, you can't compare Kessel to other elite players because those other elite players missed a lot of time due to injury. They got injured because they played more hockey (i.e., tough playoff runs) and they play tougher minutes. And why doesn't Kessel have more PP points? Because he is defended against. The slightest defence is all that is necessary to slow him down. Carlyle's whole system was based on keeping Kessel away from defensive structures.
He needs to be traded. No tears shed. And we have to resolve ourselves to getting someone back whose stats are not nearly as good but who is a better hockey player.
2 months ago on Bob McKenzie on Tyler Bozak & Dion Phaneuf interest, Phil Kessel rumours
@Burtonboy Narratives are powerful.
For instance, look at last years statistics. Who is missing?
Malkin, because he played 60 games, Patrick Kane, because he played 69 games, Duchene played 71 games, Tavares played 59 games, James Neal played 59 games, etc.
Every year, many of the NHL elite miss a lot of games. Why? I'd say a lot of it has to do with wear and tear (long post seasons, playing hard and playing tough minutes against elite defenders).
Every year, the most consistent part of Kessel's game is that he doesn't get injured. Even the one year where the Leaf's made the playoffs was a shortened season, which meant less wear and tear.
I'm a Leaf fan for 40 years. But I am not a fan of Kessel and it drives me crazy that people are always dredging up statistics and excuses for him.
He's an excellent skater and has an excellent shot. But pointing out statistics like this are like telling the world to be impressed with Einstein because he could do his taxes.
When you have incredible talent, you need to do something with it other than not get injured.
@Top_Jimmy I think that there are players like Winnik available every year. This is one way for the Leafs to improve in the short term. Find the diamond in the rough free agents. Sign them for a year and then trade them off at the trade deadline. That way, we can stockpile draft picks and prospects for virtually nothing (2/3 of a season from a guy making $1 million a year who we got without trading anyone). Use the new analytics team to find these guys and then find the prospects with the most upside that we can get for them.
@Hammertownleaffan @Leafs2 Isles1 I see what you're saying. All systems can be taken advantage of. However, especially because of the money the playoffs generate, I don't see teams missing on purpose. A bubble team, with a great draft pick, almost instantly becomes a better team. So, teams that are almost there are made all the better and can complete more quickly with the best in the league. As for the worse teams in the league. It would promote them to actually do something to improve. Right now, there is an argument that all Edmonton is doing is destroying the careers of the best prospects.
2 months ago on Friday Mashup: “If it’s not here, it’s not here”
Not that anything can be done about this, but wouldn't it be better if the 17th place team got the best chance at the #1 draft pick, and then go down from their (18th place team gets next best chance, 19th best team gets 3rd best chance and so on).
Teams that fight hard all year long and then miss the playoffs by a point or two would get rewarded. None of this tanking on purpose to lose. Losing should never be rewarded.
@Mind Bomb @Leafs2 Isles1 @Cameron19 I did. There are a number of better hockey players in the league. They play so hard that they actually get injured and have to take time off of playing. They miss games and that affects their point totals. Also, Carlyle played Kessel in situations where he could score. The entire system Carlyle uses was so that Kessel could score. Kessel gets more ice time than he deserves and easier ice time than almost all elite forwards. Let's say we gave a guy like Kyle Wellwood (remember him) the soft ice time and minutes that Kessel got and then played him 20 minutes a game. Wellwood would have potted at least 25 goals a year. So, we're paying Kessle $8 million a year to score 10 more goals than a guy who can't even make an NHL roster.
@Cameron19 @Leafs2 Isles1 You're just giving him another excuse. Who he's playing with doesn't affect that he doesn't play with full effort. Doesn't matter who you play with, you can still drive the net or win a battle in the corners. Also, there are less talented teams who make the playoffs. Its a long season and grit and determination are needed to win.
I can't agree with the sentiment of this article.
Kessel is not a Leaf great.
He's an excellent skater with an excellent shot. That is it.
He doesn't know how, nor does he seem to want to know how to play a complete game. He is moody. He doesn't give his full effort. He doesn't prepare himself well for the season. He doesn't prepare himself well for games. One of the main reasons why he has been a consistent top 10 player in the league is because he doesn't get injured. He doesn't get injured because he doesn't play a hard game. He gives up on any difficult situation on the ice. When the chips are down, he skates away from trouble.
Too many people line up to give this guy excuses. There is a reason why Boston traded him. There is a reason why the Bruins couldn't stand him, even after he was traded, and played with extra aggression towards him.
Before saying he's a Leaf Great, look at the Leaf's win/loss record since Kessel got his payday contract.