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I'm an old man Mr. Rob Natelson, but I dare say, your piece on the 2nd amendment merits a well deserved hug.

Lamentably, I can't, but I shall put you there in my prayers. The God of Heaven and Earth be with you, for I have enjoyed a lifetime of liberty, because of fellows such as yourself. And I can't repay this liberty except to lift up your name to Heaven and ask our Grand Creator to continue to bestow such wisdom upon you.

As for the rest of you, my fellow citizens guard your AR15 muskets, but if possible aquire something more substantial, because DHS didn't buy those 2700 armored tank paddy wagons for show and those 200,000 soldiers from North Command have just finished their practice in Iraq and Afghanistan and that practice was disarming people.

Take it from someone that was there early, they arrive at or around midnight to 5am in the morning, when everyone is sound asleep. Few had means of escape, because they didn't provide for it. Hence, a home is not a bunker worthy of holding back a squad of soldiers.

So........should push to come shove, THEY WILL USE THOSE TACTICS HERE! So, dear reader, never use your home as a bunker, because you and your family will die. HAVE A MEANS OF ESCAPING so as to come around from behind. Then use the venerable WWI Hero's tactics, Sergeant York, mingle your fire from behind the enemy besieging you, 90% of the time they will never notice its not there own, then direct your fire on the rear of their flank and work your way forward. Sergeant York killed 21 Germans and captured 139 all by his lonesome doing this. IT WORKS!


The Globalist have already given the order, and its not so much the authoritarian politicians that are the cause, but those who are paid and bought by these vermin that represent Globalism. Never get away from that. Mr. Obummer simply is doing his masters work, although President, is neither President in the sense he choses liberty or tyranny, that choice was made for him when he was bought. Those responsible use his face to accomplish their dirty work and if not him someone else. Nevertheless, whatever face he wears, we must make it dangerous to wear it after implementing tyranny under new law. There after, they won't be so willing to be bought, because its difficult to put a price on one's own head. So Ladies and Gentlemen, as this tyranny marches towards us, KILL the BASTARDS, because, forums such as this isn't going to accomplish preserving or restoring liberty.


Your silly and foolish if you think this man is his own man and those minions in Congress and Senate are in the same boat. They are executing orders for those who will command government in the following decades, down to the food you will eat and when and where you can travel and ownership will be limited to benign things that will ensure no offense to these new world masters.


Warm Regards,


2 years ago on The Founders and the 2nd Amendment


Just because you can go shopping or to the doctor or perhaps visit folks in the next town or city, by no means, does it mean that is liberty. Most Germans could do that when Hitler first took over it was voting himself powers that was preeminent, these powers effectively curtailed these trivial liberties at will WHENEVER HE WISHED and is why later it took a permit to travel or buy gasoline.

So to talk about liberty disappearance or outdated constitution in the future tense is a bit disingenuous or misinformed about the political environment in the United States.

Martial Law: The Buildup to NDAA 2012

By Andrew Bosworth, Ph.D./


James Madison was right:

“Since the general civilization of mankind, I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power, than by violent and sudden usurpations.”


The Patriot Act: 2001

The No-Fly List: 2001

Project Bioshield Act: 2004

The Real ID Act: 2005

The Military Commissions Act: 2006

National Defense Authorization Act: 2007

Newborn Screening Act: 2007

Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA): 2008

Pandemic and All-Hazards Preparedness Reauthorization Act: 2011

National Defense Authorization Act: 2012

1. The Patriot Act: 2001

The Patriot Act was written before 2001 attacks and introduced to Congress, just after the 9/11 attacks, when public sentiment favored weakening civil liberties in exchange for “security.”


The Act permitted non-citizens to be jailed based on mere suspicion without charges and detained indefinitely.

The PATRIOT Act also subjected legal groups to surveillance and  wiretapping for their legal political advocacy. It also gave law enforcement access to personal medical and financial records.


2. The No-Fly List: 2001

The No-Fly List is an ever-growing database of people who are not permitted to board a commercial aircraft for travel in or out of the United States.

More than 10,000 names are on the list, including numerous Americans, many by mistake. The bloated list has been shaped by ethnic, religious, economic, political, and racial profiling, but mostly political.

It is unlawful to deny Americans access to air travel without due process because airports and airlines are “places of public accommodation.”

A separate “Terrorist Watch List” now has, absurdly, more than 1 million names on it.


3. Project Bioshield Act: 2004

The Project Bioshield Act called for $5 billion for purchasing vaccines that would be used in the event of a bioterrorist attack.

Under the Act, the federal government is authorized to make an “Emergency Use Declaration” (EUD) and force Americans to submit to mandatory “drugs,”  “biological products” or “devices” in a manner normally prohibited by federal regulations. This drugs and devices can be expired and unapproved.

This Act violates the Nuremberg Code, which emerged after the Nazi experiments and the Holocaust, stipulating that individuals have the right of consent and the power of choice, when it comes to medical research and treatment.


4. The Real ID Act: 2005

The Real ID Act turned state driver’s licenses into national identity cards. The Act is an unfunded mandate that violates the Constitution’s 10th Amendment on state powers, consolidates every American’s private information, and moves towards a surveillance society.


5. The Military Commissions Act: 2006

The Military Commissions Act allows the president to designate any person an “alien unlawful enemy combatant,” moving that individual into an alternative court system that eliminates the need for a writ of habeas corpus (in which the government has to account for a detainment).


This Act violates Article 1, Section 9 of the US Constitution: “The privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.” The US Supreme Court ruled in ex parte Milligan (1866) that martial law (and suspending habeas corpus) was only permissible in “the theater of active military operations.”

Justice Davis: “Martial law cannot arise from a threatened invasion. The necessity must be actual and present; the invasion real, such as effectually closes the courts and deposes the civil administration.”


6. Newborn Screening Saves Lives Act: 2007

The Newborn Screening Act allows the federal government to screen the DNA of all newborn babies in the United States and establish a national DNA database.

This Act allows for government-sponsored eugenics research. DNA is not like a fingerprint, and genetic information can reveal disease propensities, ethnic markers, and perhaps lifespan.

This Act violates the Fourth Amendment’s right “… to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures.”


7. National Defense Authorization Act: 2007

The NDAA of 2007 eroded the Posse Comitatus Act, which had provided limitations on the use of federal troops for domestic law enforcement.

This Act gave power to the President to declare a “public emergency” and take over control of state-based National Guard units without the consent of the state Governors.


8. Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA): 2008

The 2008 FISA Act gave the federal government more latitude in its mass surveillance activities.

The Act also gave immunity to telecommunications companies participating in unconstitutional warrantless wiretapping program.


This violates the Bill of Rights’ Fourth Amendment, which stipulates that warrants can only be issued with “probable cause.”


9. Pandemic and All-Hazards Preparedness Reauthorization Act: 2011 (passed House December 6, 2011, headed for Senate)

The Act provides for involuntary mass medication or injections during an emergency. The Act enables the federal government to use unapproved or expired products, and there are no provisions for accountability.


The federal government can declare a pandemic emergency, dispense drugs against a population’s

10. National Defense Authorization Act: 2012

NDAA 2012 builds on the previous nine encroachments but actually moves the United States into full martial law. NDAA 2012 cancels six of the ten Amendments in the Bill of Rights (Amendments 4 – 10). It also further destroys the provision of habeas corpus, found in Article I, Section 9 (but weakened by the Military Commissions Act of 2006).


NDAA 2012 provides for the indefinite detention of American citizens, without charge or trial. Sections 1031 and 1032 of the NDAA explicitly authorizes the federal government to indefinitely imprison, without charge or trial, American citizens and others picked up inside and outside the United States.

The bill was drafted in secret and passed in a closed-door committee meeting, without even a single hearing.

NDAA 2012 moves the federal government closer towards a state of illegitimacy.


More than any other encroachment considered here, NDAA 2012 represents nothing short of a declaration of war by the federal government on the American people.



2 years, 11 months ago on Memories of Freedom


Historically, those who drew up the US Constitution and those who've lived under its precepts honored and observed its merit for justice. Nevertheless, we have entered another epoch or time or period where those who swore oaths of office, whether the street cop, the military soldier, the judge or the politician up and including the president do so with equivocation.

That is with tongue in cheek as the saying goes, that is they haven't the slightest intention of protecting its merits, its rule of law and its time honored interpretation for liberty and justice for all. Toady we have an Executive as well as Congress and Senate that are purely ornamental. Corporations receive special consideration for fraud or endangering life and property and when things inevitably go awry receive judgement as children.

Nothing will fix the extraordinary wrongs in the country............ to pretend they can still be fixed and have a dog and pony show in our legislatures, judiciary and executive branches as if they will fix the problem they've engendered is foolish to say the least. People with not only the utmost avarice and disregard for human dignity and welfare have become the potentates of the country.

Absolutely nothing .......... nothing will disinherit them other then bloodshed!!!!!!!!!!!

"The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists."  Former FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover.



"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ... And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them.

What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure." -Thomas Jefferson


The Deputy Attorney General of California commented at a conference that anyone who attacks the State, even verbally, becomes a revolutionary and an enemy by definition. Louis Guiffreda, who was head of FEMA, stated that "legitimate violence is integral to our form of government, for it is from this source that we can continue to purge our weaknesses."

It is significant to note that the dictionary definition of terrorism - "the calculated use of violence" - corresponds precisely to the government's stated policy of "the use of legitimate violence." One might ask, Who are the real terrorists? Guiffreda's remark gives a revealing insight into the thinking of those who have been charged with oversight of the welfare of the citizens in this country. If one's convictions or philosophy does not correspond with the government's agenda, that individual may find himself on the government's enemy list. This makes him a "target" to be "purged" by the use of "legitimate violence."

    “He who does not learn from history must repeat it.” This maybe why the dumbing down of society with the contamination of food for the general public has begun in earnest and the average citizen yokel is unaware and uses media such as CNN, FOX, MSNBC, BBC etc as primary sources of information, he thinks palatable but learns too late is disinformation.


Internment Camps

Civilian internment camps or prison camps, more commonly known as concentration camps, have been the subject of much rumor the past few years in the US. Several publications have devoted space to the topic and many talk radio programs have dealt with the issue.

 Congressman Henry Gonzales (D, Texas) clarified the question of the existence of civilian detention camps. In an interview the congressman stated, "the truth is yes - you do have these stand by provisions, and the plans are here...whereby you could, in the name of stopping terrorism...evoke the military and arrest Americans and put them in detention camps."


"All tyrannies rule through fraud and force, but once the fraud is exposed they must rely exclusively on force." - George Orwell              


Quote for 11/24/2011 'The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the 'devil' only in order to drive the TV watcher to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US . . .' - Former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook


"You know, my son, it's really unbelievable how stupid one can be when his job depends on how stupid he can become", mama said to Forest Gump who browsed through the pages of the largest national daily newspaper - ahead of upcoming parliamentary elections - filled with invitations and promises in which desperate workers and farmers have invested all their hopes. "Well, mom", Forest replied, "if banks are evil, and if we're all angry and facing bankruptcy, then let's switch to alternative currency"!

Forrest Gump

2 years, 11 months ago on Original Intent, Original Understanding, Original Meaning


Please forgiver me, if I don't respond immediately. The expat Clem Kadidlehopper lives in Patagonia and often doesn't check the forum for several days.

Best Regards folks, keep up the good work, I love reading your comments, there are some very smart people on this forum and I learn alot. Thanks and may God increase your tribe!

2 years, 11 months ago on An Effective Method to Restore Due Process


Question is:

When the FEDs are after someone, and they think they may be hampered in herding or detaining him, surely they will charge that person with something else to disallow any local authority of getting in the way. And what's easier then charging someone with an imaginary crime serious enough to enlist the help of the states or other local authority when needed, then easily drop the charges after that person has been corralled under an NDAA warrant.

Because what will most likely precipitate such detention is someone with knowledge and critical of US Government complicity in some act of drug transport or more then likely terror. Which is why NDAA was actually promoted and passed.

It certainly has little effect on foreign terrorist although dressed as such, but mighty effective in hampering opposition on something likely the US Government will be involved in the future. So to clear the road, was this law inaugurated to prepare for whomever is audacious or brave enough to oppose the tyranny that is no longer on the horizon but a very present reality.


Anyone out there have an answer?

Post answer on forum.

2 years, 11 months ago on An Effective Method to Restore Due Process


To speak in this forum or any other as if what is happening within American Jurisprudence and legislative enactments of law disregarding basic liberties as spontaneous expression or dialogue in promulgating democracy disables the proof that there is a continuum of moves to totalitarianism in the last 50 years within the United States Federal Government.

To act or speak as if Mr. Holder, President Bush, Clinton, Obummer, Dr. Kissinger, Mr. Brezinski, and indeed officials of the US Government. actually move in a medium of expression where they only do what they do because they believe that. although mistakenly, actually helps the basis of liberty, constitutional government and ordinary citizens of the republic of the United States.

The evidence is overwhelming, that these jackals not only do not obey the laws of the land and therefore do not uphold neither their oaths nor the law of the US constitution but indeed serve not the constituents that elected them but a cabal of power totally alien to the Peoples of the United States. Mr. J Edgar Hoover aptly put it by saying:

"The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous, that he cannot believe it exists. J. Edgar Hoover Director of the FBI.

2 years, 11 months ago on A Lesson for the Wall Street Journal on the NDAA


May God grant the US more Tenthers, unfortunately, as the Elitest realize grassroots opposition is spreading beyond reach of their CNN, FOX, MSNBC, BBC etc. they mean an end run around this dangerous opposition. More then likely it will be a false flag incident ala 9-11 but of such magnitude that martial law will be implemented and have North Command with TSA and local state police departments and municipalities hoodwink to participate in road blocks, mass detentions and implementation of universal encoded ID.

These jaundiced federal mandates favoring the central government are not a result of spontaneous big government making itself bigger but closely tended edicts from members and groups with contacts from the nether world.

These jaunty fellows don't just happen to be Skull & Bones, Masons, Tri-laterlists, CFR etc. These mandates emanate from a central command implemented and helped along by members of these organizations. It does no one good to be vindicated when disaster is predicted. But I say extraordinary circumstances are being plotted to circumvent constitutional law as we have known it.

It behooves us to think of the next plot, Mr. Obummer doesn't just spend all day dreaming up edicts to confound the electorate and cross the constitution, this man is a consummate liar and his follow to the presidency won't be any better. CNN, FOX etc. - don't back these fellows because their Constitutionalists but yes men,Yokels of the worst sort.

3 years ago on Missouri Nullification bills on House and Senate floor


I think, as with the Constitutional scholar, she had an affiliation predating the question in the legislature that established her expertise and point and although her interpretation was also wrong, she established her authority as professor of constitutional law at some university and therefore her argument could have been views as honest understanding.

By the same token if one looked at the affiliations of many of those who push federal laws as supreme and push the federal government with unlimited authority will universally have globalist affiliations, such as Masonic, Skull & Bones or CFR and Trilateral Commission etc. If one were to look at those affiliations one could immediately understand that most of these debates are dishonest and often have a hidden agenda. Part of that agenda is establishing the US Government as supreme even above the constitution that ostensibly establishes and at the same time limits its authority it.

3 years ago on When are Federal Laws Supreme?


Nevertheless, as the Globalists see their agenda challenged and successfully repealed they will go to their next step of enforcing their agenda. The AGM-80 nuclear missile missing from Minot AFB, is more then likely to be exploded over some US City and declared a terrorist act by Tehran, Al Qaida, North Korea or some like entity. Justifying martial law in order to consolidate security.

Northcom isn't assigned DHS with 200k+ troops for nothing and neither was urban warfare practiced in the Middle East for nothing but to effectively implement martial law and going door to door confiscating firearms and hoarded food.

You can bet the US Public that essentially depends on info from CNN and FOX will believe with dismay the terrorism caused by the explosion of this US nuclear missile exploded over some US City. Because it will literally kill tens of thousands more then 911.

The aghast of DHS and US politicos will ensure their agenda of unwarranted arrests and detention after the explosion of this monstrous missile stolen from Minot AFB in 2007. Fully explains the murder of the innocent soldiers used to make this look like an inadvertent shipping of a nuclear missile across the country.

And also why the media is mysteriously silent as to the whereabouts and loss of this nuclear device. It will be used at a time Tenth Amenders and sister groups are concentrating in backpedaling legislation nullifying the US Constitution.

Watch my fellow citizens because this is more then likely the next happenstance.

3 years, 2 months ago on Nullify the NDAA: Virginia House Bill 1160


I applaud the Tenthers and pray 2012 is a fruitful and successful year for them.

However, as the FEDS and Globalist Masters see some of their efforts unwind by constitutionalists, they will pre-empt by circumnavigating play which I believe will be a false flag attack.

It will have to be of monumental proportions, dwarfing the Twin Towers and the 3000+ deaths. I believe it to be the missing AGM-80 missile missing among the 6 shipped to Barksdale AFB, Lousiana, in 2007 from Minot AFB, North Dakota. The mystery of its whereabouts is still that and our free press has been most mum about it and the anomalous deaths of all the military personnel involved including the general in charge.

The Globalists cannot afford to have undone all the work they've performed in Biological terror, Federal Mandates, usurping constitutional power, arresting innocent people thru their Federal Army etc. These people are indeed terrorists of the basest sort and true to Luciferian ideology of their Masters accuse others of their guilt to misguide or throw others away from thier dastardly acts.

So friends, beware this year will be the year of the false flag attack using a nuclear device and will most likely incinerate 4-7 million US innocents. Of course there is a plethora of rogue states on the list to blame and of course Martial Law will preclude the tenth and every other amendment group in the United States.

So hope for the best, do your best and prepare for the worst as my grandfather used to say.

Think what could possibly bring about martial law overnight, because it literally will have to be overnight and of such proportions that FOX, CNN, McClatchy, BBC, MSNBC etc can and will label anyone opposing martial law as terrorist and dangerous to the safety of the nation!

My preparation was to finally leave because too many dangers from within and without the country. The terrorism the US has exported in the name of national security will eventually bring repercussions from those who have suffered untold horrors from the US Security State.

3 years, 3 months ago on 2011 Year in Review