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16 hours ago on GDT: Game #64, Toronto Maple Leafs at Florida Panthers (7:30 p.m., TSN4)
@.Kong. @Radar O'Rielly @mtommy Yup. For all of his natural abilities, Kessel doesn't seem to have that extra drive that some of his peers have. I think this summer Kessel surprises everyone and pulls a Big Buff.
22 hours, 33 minutes ago on Phil Kessel, Kyle Dubas speak out on media treatment in Toronto
@Radar O'Rielly @mtommy To be fair he is a cookie loving dough boy...but he's our cookie loving doughboy. Not to mention an inspiration to fat guys everywhere.
22 hours, 36 minutes ago on Phil Kessel, Kyle Dubas speak out on media treatment in Toronto
@dlbu dlbu E So it makes sense to get rid of a proven 30 goal scorer, a puck moving dman, and top 6 C for uncertain futures, but you don't want to get rid of a 3rd pairing dman? YOu know what man...I don't think you remember what you're going on about. Read your own responses...now you're just contradicting yourself. Don't care to waste my time like this. Take care.
1 day, 2 hours ago on Deadline passes with core largely in tact
@dlbu dlbu E @vinoa But he's paid like a 2nd pairing guy and will want more money when he resigns. Not saying that Polak isn't a great bottom pairing dman (which really should be a given), but he's not paid like one. He makes $3.1 in salary this year and will likely want that much or more. A couple of million in over payments here and there add up very quickly. Look at Robidas and Clarkson eating up $8 million +. Do you really want Polak, Robidas, and Horton eating up $12 miillion?
@dlbu dlbu E @vinoa I would say that JVR is probably worth a couple of firsts or a 1st and a couple of prospects. Gards will probably get you a pick and a prospect, although he'll need a good year 1st. Kadri as an RFA will probably get you a prospect and a pick. JVR is on a steal of a contract. Not a lot of 30 goal scorers under $5 million. Imagine what a cash strapped offensively challenged team like Boston would give for a budget 30 goal scorer?
I'm still trying to learn the valuations myself, but I think you're really far off the mark from what the market dictates. You'd be underselling on good assets and completely overvaluing a replaceable asset like Polak. He can be easily replaced by a Marlie/UFA. Hell, Erixon could probably replace him next year.
@dlbu dlbu E @vinoa I heard Polak was on the ice when Bernier was run in his crease the other night. In fact it's happened a bunch of times. I don't remember Polak fighting often to defend his goalies...or at all. Where is this tough Polak guy that you're seeing?
Also, @loomx had a really good article posted the other day about how these intangibles are mostly bs and it makes us overvalue shitty players. I think you've done that with Polak. Step back and look at his play over the last few months. What has he really done to make you want to keep him over a guy like JVR?
@peterbleafs @dlbu dlbu E I'm really having a hard time explaining this to myself. Do people actualy think that Polak is good?
1 day, 3 hours ago on Deadline passes with core largely in tact
@dlbu dlbu E @vinoa Because you didn't get anything back. This isn't fantasy land where you can just get what you want back with every trade. Dude we're rebuilding...why trade young players and keep older shittier players? If it isn't a 1C, 1D, or stud prospect then those guys you want to trade shouldn't be traded. What were you hoping to move them for?
@dlbu dlbu E @vinoa lmao. k...now I think you're just trolling me. You'd trade a 1st line Olympian who's on a steal of a contract or a young puck moving dman or a top 6 C before trading a bottom pairing dman that WE CAN GET FROM ANYWHERE? Alright. I'll just have to agree to disagree on that front.
@dlbu dlbu E @vinoa Of course it is...but dude just because we drafted Tyler Biggs, it doesn't mean that our new hires won't be able to see something that we've missed in the past. Are you saying that because we drafted poorly one year we should never draft again? Like I said, we just pissed away a lot of money on 2 inexperienced CHL GMs. This draft is where they'll have to start earning their keep. I'd stockpile on picks for them. The more the better. Again this is all just speculation, but if they resign Polak, it's just more ammo against Nonis.
@dlbu dlbu E @vinoa That's where we differ. I'll take a top 60 pick for Polak any day. Maybe a few other pieces to make it work, but I would definitely take the chance with a 2nd rounder for Polak.
And yes Shattenkirk would be our best...but we traded for Polak who was their 3rd best RD and is now our 3rd or 2nd best RD depending on where Dion plays.
@dlbu dlbu E @vinoa Sorry I don't think he's not an NHL player. I just think that he's a support player and we can get them from the Marlies or UFA market any day. If a team offers you a top 60 pick for Roman Polak you take it any day of the week.
Giroux, Varlamov, Nick Foligno, Subban, Carlson, Eberle, Josi, Jamie Benn, Lucic, Bergeron, etc.
The number of guys drafted after the 20th pick who went on to become good players is way too high to not take a chance on those for Roman Polak. This is the definition of the halo effect. The guy is not that good and yet people would pass up on the chance for a top 60 pick in order to keep him. Would you really keep Roman Polak if you had the chance to draft the next PK Subban? Yeah this team has messed up those picks in the past, but that's the point of pissing away all that money on Hunter and Dubas. To have those guys but to continue to sign garbage like Polak would mean that this team hasn't changed at all.
@dlbu dlbu E @vinoa RD. It went Pietrangelo, Shattenkirk, and Polak and this year at times our best dmen have been Franson, Dion, Rielly and then Polak. I don't remember a lot of games where Polak was better than Franson or even Rielly. How can you say he's our best dman when he's not even a top 4 guy?
@dlbu dlbu E @vinoa I'd rather move him and bring up a Marlie to play on that bottom pairing. Polak is too old and not good enough to be a part of the rebuild. Unless of course he pulls a Giordano and becomes a Norris finalist a the age of 30 lol.
@dlbu dlbu E @vinoa Claude Giroux was a 22nd overall pick while Holland was a 15th overall pick. A first round pick is extremely valuable in the hands of the right scouts. Polak sucks. He was the 3rd best RD in St.Louis and he's been the 3rd best on the Leafs at times. Really don't see where the Polak love comes from. The guy doesn't exactly terrorize the opposition and worse he gives unnecessary interviews and throws his teammates under the bus. If a GM wanted to give a top 60 pick for Polak you take it any day. He might land us the next Subban, Bergeron, ROR, or even Giroux.
@dlbu dlbu E Better to trade a year early than a year late. Polak might still get moved in the summer when the UFA market becomes dry.
@dlbu dlbu E @peterbleafs Every day. I think anyone who'd give a 1st for a 3rd pairing dman won't last long in the league, but the thing about suckers....
@peterbleafs @Ze_theLeafsFan Maybe that's why we retained salary on Gunnar...for the long con.
@Bruffins @HHT @peterbleafs I actually hope deep down that the players are in tank mode. If not, wtf!!
@Yaknowwhat @vinoa @monkeyman Until I see some real progress, that's all I see with these suits. Clarkson was a good step in the right direction. Now on to the rest of the anchors.
@monkeyman Wilson was run and gun. RC's looking like a genius these days for getting these guys to ever win.
1 day, 4 hours ago on Deadline passes with core largely in tact
@DJBrianBurke @GibsonLPStudio I think the lottery is before the playoffs start and the draft is after the cup is won.
1 day, 16 hours ago on Dave Nonis Post-Deadline Media Address
@TuckerForPunishment @ConnorCrisp If McDavid doesn't pull a Lindros and force his way outta there, he's not a Tarana boy!
1 day, 17 hours ago on Dave Nonis Post-Deadline Media Address
@Ze_theLeafsFan @ProfessorRance In your defense, Ted is easy to hate.
3 days ago on Game 62 Scoring Chances: Canadiens 4 vs. Maple Leafs 0
@loomx Great read. I felt like the halo effect was written just for Clarkson, but it probably represents a good chunk of players that pass the eye test.
@ProfessorRance I made no such promises.
@Xxxxxnew Turns out that it was all a dream. Francis Underwood is actually dead and M. Night Shyamalan was the director behind the scenes.!!
@North Kariya @vinoa That's all it takes. Just a simple question would give you the chance to see the other person's perspective. I'm all for adjusting my opinions when presented with valid arguments. People just get so sensitive as if changing their minds is akin to admitting they don't know anything.
@Jay31 @vinoa @Mattmark @loomx @Yaknowwhat It's so ignorant to just dismiss the stats because "my eyes tell me everything I need to know". Shades of some of the posters who no longer visit the site. I'm not on the PPP stats is life bandwagon, but I can definitely see the merits of using all the available data before making a decision.
@North Kariya @vinoa Thank you. You don't understand how refreshing it is to come across people who don't take themselves so damn seriously on the Internet.
@Mattmark @vinoa @loomx @Yaknowwhat Sorry that's why I edited it. I didn't want to say fucking stupid but I did. Can't take it back, so I edited it. I'm not trying to be the morality police, but this is what happens when both sides are combative. I came across very rudely to start it off so I don't expect you take the high road. I'm trying to not let this escalate into some online nonsense which is why I apologized. Will do it again. I crossed the line with what I said, and I'm sorry if it offended you. My point was simply that both stats and watching the game are important to analyzing a team and players. If you don't agree that's fine. Again, let's agree to disagree and leave it at that.
@North Kariya @vinoa I don't care if you disagree...but you need to come with more than just your own opinion. Don't worry, you still come off as a douche.
Anyone else watching House of Cards? When does the next season come out??
@Omac13 @Jay31 Learn form who though? We don't have a guy that plays a sound positional defensive game. Dion when he's having a good game comes close, but it's his physicality that makes him great. Robidas perhaps?
@Jay31 @GibsonLPStudio @Markovv55 Schneider was under contract at the time I think and had won the Jennings a season or two prior to that. Goalies really seem to have dropped in value in the last couple of years. I think teams don't want to give up too many assets to acquire goalies.
@Mattmark @vinoa @loomx @Yaknowwhat See this is fair. I get that and again, I'm saying there's merit to both if them when used correctly. This notion that it needs to be one or the other is as silly as dismissing stats because your eyes see all or vice versa. Other than observer bias, a whole season's data should eliminate most other types of bias. Also, statistically speaking, if they're compiling the numbers in an incorrect manner, then it's the methodology that's flawed. The numbers may not mean anything, but it's because of the methodology and not the numbers themselves.
Also, don't tell people to grow up. If you want to engage in a discussion, stick to the facts. Your points are all, pardon my French, fucking stupid and you expect people to just agree. I don't think you know what the definition of a bias is in regards to statistics. I don't think you know what you're talking about, so I'll end this by saying sorry if I upset you, but I stand by my remarks. Let's both just agree to disagree.
3 days, 1 hour ago on Game 62 Scoring Chances: Canadiens 4 vs. Maple Leafs 0
@loomx @Yaknowwhat Special chemistry? Like a shark and remora?
@Komas Taberle @Brozak Anonymous executive in the league isn't good enough for you?
@Mattmark @vinoa @loomx @Yaknowwhat Sorry if I abused you with my remark. Calling it a rant is a great way to dismiss it without actually having to disprove it. You won the online douche troll of the day award.
@dlbu dlbu E @FrycersGhost The Word with Puerd!!
@Mattmark @vinoa @loomx @Yaknowwhat Really so you've never missed a bouncing puck midplay ir the refs/linesmen don't miss contact even though they're on the ice? How in the hell are you seeing things that even guys on the ice miss. You think Evan just writes his shot reports as the game is happening? Considering the need for video review, how would you be naive enough to assume viewers don't miss small details at fast speeds?
@TheLoovTrain @Burtonboy Have you seen the fish the boys catch?
@Mattmark @vinoa @loomx @Yaknowwhat Was there ever an eye that saw without bias and didn't miss a single detail? I think there's validity to both sides. You need to watch the game while also looking at the subtle details.
@Komas Taberle @vinoa @HHT Then that man should be shot for taking Kadri over ROR.
@loomx @Yaknowwhat Wait there are stats to show for variations on ice that people are ignoring?
@Handlebar @Markovv55 Ah the circle of mediocrity that is the Leafs.
@HHT He also drafted Kadri and Rielly, so it might not be that bad.
3 days, 2 hours ago on Game 62 Scoring Chances: Canadiens 4 vs. Maple Leafs 0
@HHT @vinoa @Burn_the_Loov_Boats @Dogger Yup. In the hands of a great scout a 5th rounder is Jamie Benn.