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@NotSince67 @vinoa @wendelsfist @DJBrianBurke Silly me. I missed Uncle NoNo's Cap Management Camp for Dummies.

2 hours, 17 minutes ago on Game Day: Game #8, Boston Bruins at Toronto Maple Leafs (7 p.m., CBC)

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@wendelsfist @vinoa @DJBrianBurke @NotSince67 Anyone who thought that analytics would be a short term fix probably doesn't need any help giving themselves false hope. I guess the next time a dman of Pronger's caliber is available, the Leafs should go all in.

2 hours, 28 minutes ago on Game Day: Game #8, Boston Bruins at Toronto Maple Leafs (7 p.m., CBC)

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@wendelsfist @vinoa @DJBrianBurke @NotSince67 That having 2 HoF defensemen on your roster makes it easier to win?

2 hours, 35 minutes ago on Game Day: Game #8, Boston Bruins at Toronto Maple Leafs (7 p.m., CBC)

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@wendelsfist @DJBrianBurke @NotSince67 Probably all of them. I doubt teams are winning the cup while being constantly outshot and outpossessed by a wide margin.

2 hours, 36 minutes ago on Game Day: Game #8, Boston Bruins at Toronto Maple Leafs (7 p.m., CBC)

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@Bring the Cup Home @Bruffins And Kessel with the Conn Smythe ;)

10 hours, 24 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: Chara out 4-6 weeks, Leafs play Boston Saturday

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@Dogger Imagine Gibson and Bibeau as prospects? We could easily have the best goaltending pool in the league.

14 hours, 43 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: Chara out 4-6 weeks, Leafs play Boston Saturday

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@Knights2Leafs @FRyan I hope our 3rd line helps with that this year. Last year we didn't have a bottom 6 because of all the injuries. If our 3rd line can give us over 18 minutes a night of dependable play, RC's 3 line method just might work. On the other hand, can't we just fire this clown already?

14 hours, 44 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: Chara out 4-6 weeks, Leafs play Boston Saturday

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@docmma @Knights2Leafs @Dogger Percy and Biggs were from the 1st round of the same year. I see those 2 as a wash. You're right about our drafting and prospect pool. It's deeper than it's been for a long time.

14 hours, 46 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: Chara out 4-6 weeks, Leafs play Boston Saturday

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@FRyan Somethings transcend beyond rivalries. This is the first time I've felt any sort of concern for Ottawa and to a much lesser extent, the Sens.

14 hours, 53 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: Chara out 4-6 weeks, Leafs play Boston Saturday

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@Dogger Burke. McClement and Rielly were the last 2 gifts to this team from Burke.

14 hours, 55 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: Chara out 4-6 weeks, Leafs play Boston Saturday

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@Zeus_WilliamMapleLeafs @docmma I think Mark Twain popularized that line about lies...you liar lol

14 hours, 55 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: Chara out 4-6 weeks, Leafs play Boston Saturday

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@Dogger This I'll agree with. For all of his faults, JFJ did a pretty damn good job of drafting. Not sure if Nonis will go back to hoarding picks the way Burke was, but I'd like to see Bergmann with a few more picks.

14 hours, 56 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: Chara out 4-6 weeks, Leafs play Boston Saturday

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@Hmmm @Dogger That's the problem. No two teams are the same so there are really only a few requirements you can go by. I went with games played and players drafted. I'm sure you could do it by round, ATOI, QoC and QoT etc, but it's a lot of work. Basic statistics shows that we're not so bad. Maybe the advanced numbers would show something else, but who has that kind of time?

14 hours, 59 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: Chara out 4-6 weeks, Leafs play Boston Saturday

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@Dogger Really? I see Seguin as 1RW. Still, must be nice to have options. They ran Benn as their 1C until they got Seguin lol. Crazy how Dallas landed 2 top 6 Cs in back to back summers.

15 hours, 5 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: Chara out 4-6 weeks, Leafs play Boston Saturday

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@Dogger I'm guessing until Nichushkin comes back? Is Seguin good as a center? I've always wondered how he was doing as a c.

15 hours, 8 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: Chara out 4-6 weeks, Leafs play Boston Saturday

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@Hmmm @vinoa @Dogger It's the lack of anything resembling a modern city. I've got it, move the Leafs to Hamilton and we're in it to win it.

15 hours, 10 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: Chara out 4-6 weeks, Leafs play Boston Saturday

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@Hmmm @vinoa @Dogger Move the team to Detroit? You're messing with me right?

15 hours, 11 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: Chara out 4-6 weeks, Leafs play Boston Saturday

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@hometeem @docmma @mike_84 Kane is super sheltered and still pretty bad defensively. Seguin has Benn to be the defensively responsible player of the line. Spezza gets to go against weaker competition since the Seguin line can match up with top lines.

15 hours, 12 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: Chara out 4-6 weeks, Leafs play Boston Saturday

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@Hmmm @Dogger We're not the only ones. Washington traded Varlamov for a 1st and then traded that pick (Forsberg) for Erat. Ottawa gave Bishop for Conacher and then let him walk. If you go through the other 29 teams, you'll see that mistakes aren't unique to the Leafs. This market is a fishbowl, and it won't get better when fans won't bother to look around the league. If we were the only ones giving up too soon on prospects, I'd agree with you guys. The problem is that prospects are just that and there's no science behind finding the next Datsyuk and Lucic. If there was some magical formula, I'd be shocked that Detroit didn't have it since they're soooooooooooooooo good at drafting.

15 hours, 14 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: Chara out 4-6 weeks, Leafs play Boston Saturday

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@Dogger Ian White was once considered a lock for the captaincy after Lidstrom on your precious Red Wings. In fact he was a top pairing dman on that shit team. Schenn got us JVR and Rask is way better than Howard is. I'm not upset at your opinions, I'm upset that you come back with more opinions. It's cool, I have a buddy who says a lot of stupid shit as well. Most recently that Bozak was a solid 1st line C and that we need to move Kadri for a 2C. I don't get upset at these things. What upsets me is that you're still using your opinion and that's fine. Just say that "In your opinion blah blah blah". I wouldn't care about opinions if they had some basis in fact. Unfortunately, you haven't given a single piece of evidence except for "Player A is better than Player B" which is all subjective. Again, you can have your opinions, but on a public forum, you had better back them up with something more than just what you think, because frankly, your opinion means sweet f all.

15 hours, 18 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: Chara out 4-6 weeks, Leafs play Boston Saturday

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@reenergized @vinoa Lol fair enough. I just meant in terms of draft position. If the argument was that they pick low and we pick high, well I have a few examples where that is just not true. It's really easy to speculate as fans, but I was really surprised with what the numbers showed.

15 hours, 30 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: Chara out 4-6 weeks, Leafs play Boston Saturday

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@Zeus_WilliamMapleLeafs @vinoa @Dogger Datsyuk didn't come over until he was 23. Kronwall spent 3 years in Sweden after he was drafted. Detroit gave up on Brunner who seems to be doing fine in NJ. They also moved on from Hudler, Filpula, Fleishmann and other players. People are acting as if Detroit's doing something drastically different from other teams. Yes they're a good team and they have a great culture. It helps if you have 20 years worth of stability from your top players. They went from Yzerman to Listrom to Zetterberg without any issues because of Datsyuk and Zetterberg. I'm not doing any more fact checking. If you feel the need to look that up knock yourself out. My only point was that Detoit's not as good as everyone thinks when it comes to their drafting, and we're definitely nowhere near as bad as people make us out to be.

15 hours, 31 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: Chara out 4-6 weeks, Leafs play Boston Saturday

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@Dogger FFS, you're not even bothering to counter with facts. Stick to your speculation bud, just don't get upset when people call you out on your bullshit.

15 hours, 37 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: Chara out 4-6 weeks, Leafs play Boston Saturday

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@Dogger The only things you're missing are facts to back up your baseless claims. In 2000 we drafted Boyes at 24 and they got Kronwall at 29. In 2001 Detroit managed to pick up 2 players who have combined for 78 games played with their 4th rounder and 8th rounder. We got Wellwood in the 5th round that year. It's not hard to look these things up. Stop with the unfounded bs that's so popular with fairweather fans. Who's rant made you think that our drafting was bad? Did you bother to look it up or did you just take it for face value. At first I just thought that we weren't as bad as people say. Now that I've looked into it, Detroit fucking sucks at drafting. People who think Detroit drafts well just don't know what their talking about. End of story.

15 hours, 40 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: Chara out 4-6 weeks, Leafs play Boston Saturday

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@Dogger Let's end the debate. I posted this below, but it's lost in the comments:
Since 2000 we've drafted 44 players who have gone on to play 7887 and counting games in the NHL for an average of 179 games per player. In that same time Detroit's drafted 36 players who have played 6556 games for an average of 182 games per player. Is anyone really going to argue that Detroit's been drafting better than us for the last 14 years because they've produced 8 fewer players who have gone on to average 3 more games played? More importantly, a lot of Detroit's games played came from a few guys who have played over 500 games (Kronwall, Franzen, Hudler, etc) whereas we still have quite a few prospects from the last few years who haven't seen the big league yet. I really enjoyed crunching these numbers because now I have quantifiable evidence that Detroit isn't some Holy Grail of drafting.

15 hours, 47 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: Chara out 4-6 weeks, Leafs play Boston Saturday

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@docmma @Dogger Since 2000 we've drafted 44 players who have gone on to play 7887 and counting games in the NHL for an average of 179 games per player. In that same time Detroit's drafted 36 players who have played 6556 games for an average of 182 games per player. Is anyone really going to argue that Detroit's been drafting better than us for the last 14 years because they've produced 8 fewer players who have gone on to average 3 more games played? More importantly, a lot of Detroit's games played came from a few guys who have played over 500 games (Kronwall, Franzen, Hudler, etc) whereas we still have quite a few prospects from the last few years who haven't seen the big league yet. I really enjoyed crunching these numbers because now I have quantifiable evidence that Detroit isn't some Holy Grail of drafting.

15 hours, 48 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: Chara out 4-6 weeks, Leafs play Boston Saturday

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@Dogger Kulemin, Rask, Stralman, Komarov, Stalberg, Kulemin, Reimer, Tlusty, Gunnar, and Schenn. Dude, you're either seriously overestimating the Red Wings' success, or underestimating our success. Either way, facts don't back up your conjecture.

16 hours, 8 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: Chara out 4-6 weeks, Leafs play Boston Saturday

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@docmma @vinoa @Cameron19 @LeafsGuru Yeah we beat Anaheim and LA and then lose to Washington. What a team...can't help but love em.

16 hours, 14 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: Chara out 4-6 weeks, Leafs play Boston Saturday

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@docmma @Cameron19 @LeafsGuru So Leaf like to do that. Finally get to play Boston without Chara, get destroyed by Krug and Hamilton.

16 hours, 18 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: Chara out 4-6 weeks, Leafs play Boston Saturday

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@Dogger No I said take those 2 our and their drafting is nothing. Which is true. They could not have made the transition from Yzerman to Lidstrom to Zetterberg without having Datsyuk and Zetterberg in their prime right as Yzerman and Lidstrom were getting ready to retire. Without those 2 picks, they could have hit a wall years ago. Your equating their luck with a few picks with good drafting. I'm just trying to point out that any team that steals players of that caliber in the 7th round will have more than just the 2 superstars on their roster. Using your logic, their entire roster should be made up of superstars since they stole Zetterberg in the 7th round.

16 hours, 20 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: Chara out 4-6 weeks, Leafs play Boston Saturday

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@LeafsGuru Go with the sure win. I have Bishop and Kuemper so I might just run that.

16 hours, 29 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: Chara out 4-6 weeks, Leafs play Boston Saturday

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@Dogger Kronwall is no Lidstrom, Tatar is a complementary player, and Nyqvist is 25 and pretty much their top offensive weapon. I'mm not saying they suck, but your hyperbole would suggest that we're shit compared to their drafting, when in fact we're a decent drafting team. Also NONE of those guys are close to Crosby and Malkin. Putting those names together is a fucking joke.

16 hours, 31 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: Chara out 4-6 weeks, Leafs play Boston Saturday

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@Dogger Is it? Or are you so woefully uninformed that you think 2 players = great drafting? Take Datsyuk and Zetterberg off that team and how good are they?

16 hours, 36 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: Chara out 4-6 weeks, Leafs play Boston Saturday

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@Dogger See it's not that bad. Not great, but not bad.

16 hours, 57 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: Chara out 4-6 weeks, Leafs play Boston Saturday

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@Dogger Percy, Komarov, Bozak was a FA

16 hours, 58 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: Chara out 4-6 weeks, Leafs play Boston Saturday

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@Leafs2 Isles1 @Komas Taberle Don't forget Saad and Gibson from 2011. Unfortunately all teams have these what if situations.

17 hours, 4 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: Chara out 4-6 weeks, Leafs play Boston Saturday

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@Cameron19 @Burtonboy @Tim44 @Archie Vanlanda Colborne's been racking up assists all year. Still don't see how waiving him over the face punchers wasn't a dismissal worthy offense.

17 hours, 9 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: Chara out 4-6 weeks, Leafs play Boston Saturday

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@Cameron19 @vinoa @Dogger No doubt. My point was that a top 5 pick isn't a guarantee to be significantly better than a 2nd round pick all the time. More often than not you need a lottery pick to build your core, but there are teams that have done it with lower picks. It's not as if it's one or the other. We could potentially get a steal or 2 with lower picks. Hopefully Finn/Johnson/Brown/Loov or any of these guys ends up being an impact player.

17 hours, 27 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: Chara out 4-6 weeks, Leafs play Boston Saturday

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@Dogger Benn, Bergeron, Giroux, Subban, Lucic, etc. There are impact players that are drafted later in the 1st and even later rounds. I really hope a couple of our later picks end up panning to even close to a Benn/Bergeron type of player.

17 hours, 35 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: Chara out 4-6 weeks, Leafs play Boston Saturday

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@Mapleswede @TorontoMapleLeafs Kontiola was the top scorer on his team in the KHL. I don't think their success or lack thereof in Europe is completely translated to the NHL level.

1 day, 9 hours ago on Friday Mashup: Chara out 4-6 weeks, Leafs play Boston Saturday

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@Dogger Those plays wouldn't be as bad against 3rd and 4th lines. You can't make those mistakes against any teams' top lines if you don't have the speed to recover a la Franson.

2 days, 17 hours ago on Leafs-Sens Wednesday Night Game Postponed

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@Dogger Yeah Franson really needs to get off that pairing, especially if they're trying to show him off.

2 days, 17 hours ago on Leafs-Sens Wednesday Night Game Postponed

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@TheLoovTrain @MaxwellHowe @Burtonboy @Mcost61 And they'll end up drafting some kid that has no business going 1st over all.

2 days, 17 hours ago on Leafs-Sens Wednesday Night Game Postponed

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@ToasterStrudel lol. Great. Except he had 61% and Holland and Santorelli had 67%. Oh hey Clarkson and JVR were 100% last night....maybe they should play 1C. I'll be more impressed with the faceoffs when it's against a team that dominates them like the Bruins. Bozak is a decent player, but he brings nothing to his line. He hasn't even been as defensively sound as before. Maybe it's the injury, but either way, just because the guy's a decent player, it doesn't mean that he's beyond criticism.

3 days, 14 hours ago on Game Review: Game #7, Toronto Maple Leafs 5 vs. New York Islanders 2

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@ingy56 @vinoa @Burtonboy That's true. We can't let the crazies intimidate us. I just read that only the gunman had died. I was under the impression that a soldier had died as well.

3 days, 15 hours ago on Game Review: Game #7, Toronto Maple Leafs 5 vs. New York Islanders 2

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@ProfessorRance @Mind Bomb @Yan28 I had to settle for Ph9 and JVR this year. Had Kessel and Franson (until January) last year.

3 days, 15 hours ago on Game Review: Game #7, Toronto Maple Leafs 5 vs. New York Islanders 2

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@Burtonboy They should probably call it off. Not the best scenario for a hockey game.

3 days, 15 hours ago on Game Review: Game #7, Toronto Maple Leafs 5 vs. New York Islanders 2

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