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I agree with your points. I do get frustrated that the Giants do not get the love from the media and the like. Winning 3 WS in the last 5 years is outstanding. The Giants win ugly and that is the way it has been for a while.
As a fan that is not the way I want my team to win but on the other hand like you I am thrilled about the WS wins. As long as the Giants keep winning they are going to use the same business model but sooner than later the Giants will find themselves needing a different one.
SF has set the bar high for themselves and for the fans which every team strives for but keeping the bar at the level for the Giants will be a challenge. They have the resources but do they have the will to do the right thing. As a fan a sure hope they do.
1 week, 4 days ago on Conversation @ http://thegiantscove.com/2015-archives/a-study-in-the-business-of-giants-baseball.html
Steve Adams of MLB Trade Rumors speculates that SF is not signing blue chip FA and just signing players for one year contracts in order to have the $$$ to go after a strong FA class in 2016. 2016 is loaded with top arms but not so much at 3rd base. SF is losing Lincecum and Hudson so the need is there. I am in the camp and I think you have stated the same thing that the Giants should look at each year as getting to the WS and do their best to put the best 25 players on the field they can muster to reach that goal. I think Adams scenario has some merit but I hope the Giants are not using that strategy.
1 month, 1 week ago on Conversation @ http://thegiantscove.com/2015-archives/cut-rate-replacements-at-third-base-and-left-field-save-giants-millions.html
@RDyer @maxwell623 I was thinking the same thing but I would not think Vogelsong would sign if he was going to start in the bull pen when he had other suitors looking for SP.
Why were the Giants going after Lester? If Lester had been picked up by SF what would the Giants have done with Lincecum then?
It looks like SF is going to sign Vogelsong to a one year contract. Will this move Lincecum to the bull pen?
@tmcd76 @RDyer I think we all can agree being fans of the Giants can be very frustrating. On one hand they have won some WS lately and that is terrific BUT in my mind over the long run their way of doing business is going to catch up with them. I agree this year's position player free market was a little thin but I think Headley would of been a good pickup for his defense . Zobrist was a missed opportunity because of his versatility. I like the Aoki deal but signing McGehee made me sit back in my chair. Hopefully with one year deals Aoki and McGehee will respond in a positive manner to get a bigger contract on the FA market in 2016. Next year will be interesting with Lincecum and Hudson coming off the books with how SF will go about filling two SP postions.
No chance on the Giant's going after the pitcher's mentioned above. Very disapponted. Maybe Johnson is afraid he is going to lose the lawsuit! We will be in the hope and pray mode again this year.
1 month, 2 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://thegiantscove.com/2015-archives/cut-rate-replacements-at-third-base-and-left-field-save-giants-millions.html
@mark sutton I agree but I think they should never do a rebound strategy because they should go into each year with the idea they will prepare and do what ever it takes to win the WS every year and in my opinion they failed miserably this off season. I care about the 2015 season not next year.
1 month, 2 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://thegiantscove.com/2015-archives/giants-2015-blueprint-save-money-manage-compliant-fan-base.html
Oakland just signed Zobrist. I better start reading up for Sunday school!
1 month, 3 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://thegiantscove.com/2015-archives/giants-2015-blueprint-save-money-manage-compliant-fan-base.html
You and I have always been on the same wave link. God I am frustrated with how the Giants do business. If they do not pick up Zobrist I might have to start going to church.
Hamels w/b a great pickup too. Problem as you well know no chips to play with for trade bait. I want to win the WS every year and I wish SF had the same thought process.
I agree with the Peavy contract. Ridiculous. We have a fan base that could be compared to the Cub fan base and that is scary.
Giants just signed Peavy for 2 yrs $24M. Have they closed the books on Shields ? AGM Evans says no. Hope he is right.
2 months, 1 week ago on Conversation @ http://thegiantscove.com/2014-articles/giants-off-season-a-nasty-mix-of-rejection-and-incompetance.html
I agree 100%.
As you said SF does not get the respect it deserves. All through the playoffs and WS they were considered a team that would not win it all. SF plays ugly small ball depending on good pitching and defense and hoping their offense will score one more run than the other team . But with plenty of $$ in their coffers they have the capability to be an offensive threat. Why not have great defense and offense.
I credit the coaching staff for the success the Giants have had. They have the nack to get the most out of the players and instilling the team concept. It's scary because most of the FA are gone and now SF has to go the trade route with no ammunition in their FS.
Upton is now going to the Padres. I have the same questions as you do regarding the Giants coming up empty so far for getting quality players.
For the life of me I can't believe players would not want to come to the Giants. Best skipper in baseball. Sold out stadium for every game. Beautiful city. Great clubhouse. Great pitching coaches. Good park for pitchers.
It has been comical watching all these players not signing with SF. With LA and SD doing some wheeling and dealing this offseason making their teams better the Giants need to do the same and pronto.
Pat Neshek/Melky Cabrera or Nelson Cruz
4 months, 2 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://thegiantscove.com/
All good points.
In the long term I do think the weight issue will play in his performance numbers but for now he is worth the money and years and I would do the deal. It is a shame there is a good chance the brass does not see it our way but maybe just maybe they will see the light and do the right thing. I also think they will go with Panik as a starter at second because of his price and they can brag how good of a FS they have (not).
I am in favor of not signing Morse or Romo. Morse is to injury prone and the league has caught up with Romo. I do not think Posey is heading to an other position any time soon but the sooner the better in my opinion.
Hell of a NLCS and an even better WS SF/KC.
I just read your post about if Giants had lost the WC game Pablo would be gone and you stated the Giants should resign him so that answers my question. Would you sign him for $100m plus for 6 to 7 years let's say. I want the Giants to sign him for sure but for a lot of years naw because I think his weight issue will catch up with him and not in a positive way.
Because Panik is doing so well what is your take on what the Giants will do filling second base in 2015? I do not know the status on Scutaro but the Giants still owe him $6M plus for 2015. My take would be if Scutaro is healthy he will start and Panik will be on the 25 man roster. Also do you think SF should sign Pablo S. for the money and years he will be asking for? Headley would be cheaper but in my opinion not as talented. I would not want to see no more than 4 years and preferably 3 years because of the weight issue but Pablo has a lot of leverage going into 2015 and he will want more years. Hard call to make.
I agree with every thing you have mentioned. The Giant fan base could be compared to the Chicago Cubs fans. We will fill the stands no matter what you put on the field. SF managements philosophy won't change as long as the revenue keeps coming in without spending on the other end. Like I said winning those WS is going to be what sinks the Giants in the future. Very,very frustrating to a die hard Giant fan like myself. Paying cheap and cross your fingers attitude is just plain ridiculous. No business would stay in business without paying for some R&D for the long term so the Giants better be ware.
5 months, 1 week ago on Conversation @ http://thegiantscove.com/2014-articles/dodgers-and-giants-meet-to-address-crunch-time.html
What is sad is that there isn't a FA out there that can fill his shoes either by talent or pay check. With all the rumors about the Giants being one of the leading teams interested in Y.Tomas you can kiss him being a Giant goodbye because they will not spend the money. I see Pablo and Tomas going to the Red Sox and the Giants wishing and hoping with rookies and has beens as you have mentioned. I have to say however that SF has done a good job being successful with that philosophy winning two WS in the last four years but it has been the devil in disguise because one can't do that over a period of time and be successful. The problem is management seems to think they can.
5 months, 2 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://thegiantscove.com/2014-articles/dodgers-and-giants-meet-to-address-crunch-time.html
What are your thoughts on the Giants resigning Pablo S.? My thinking is 0%. It is a very weak FA class for third basemen for 2015. He would be foolish is take a QO for the advertised $15M sum. I think Pablo can demand $100M + for 5 to 7 years and some team will bite. He is the youngest of all the third base FA and his career stats are respectable. Do I think he is worth the big bucks and a lot of years, no but in my opinion the Giants need to be competitive in going after his services and hope Pablo is willing to give SF a discount.
@RDyer @maxwell623 Thanks for your comments. Bottom line Morse will be cheaper but Melky would be a really good fit.
5 months, 3 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://thegiantscove.com/
I respect your opinion so can you comment if you would be in favor of the Giants picking up Melky Cabrera for 2015? With all his baggage I still think it would be a good move. He is 30 yrs. old and had a good run in Canada. I agree it would be a bad PR move but I think the Giants fans can forgive and go on with what life brings. Maybe $40M to $50M for 4 yrs? I like Cabrera over Morse. Deep down my thought is SF will definitely pass on him my vote is yes and maybe for all the wrong reasons.
It is frustrating to be a Giant fan. I am the type of fan that wants to win the WS every year and expect the Giants top brass to act accordingly. Signing Lincecum to a $35 million contract was absurd. I was in the camp of trading him at the beginning of the season. To hold on to him because he is a fan favorite or hoping he would get out of his funk is not the way to do smart baseball business. I am crossing my fingers SF will do the right thing at the trade deadline to improve this ball club but I agree with RD it's not in the cards.
8 months, 1 week ago on Conversation @ http://thegiantscove.com/2014-articles/lack-of-depth-highlights-the-giants-current-tailspin.html
@Robert Haymond @maxwell623 @RDyer @Daniel_Stern Robert.....I referenced it above.
10 months ago on Conversation @ http://thegiantscove.com/uncategorized/giants-braintrust-ponders-rearrangement-of-deck-chairs.html
@RDyer @maxwell623 @Daniel_Stern @Robert Haymond
Just read an article stating that it would make sense for both clubs Arizona and Giants to trade 3rd basemen. Prado for Sandovol. Prado is owed 11M each year through 2016. Sandovol would have a hitters ballpark to show his offensive skills. I like the idea big time. Prado can hit and play super defense.
I appreciate your opinion on signing Sandoval but if I was a GM I would be really apprehensive paying that much for an overweight ball player that has a really easy time putting on the pounds and a harder time taking it off. It will get only harder as he ages. Too much of a risk for millions of guaranteed money. For that type of money and years I want a blue chip offensive and defensive player and Pablo might be one of those.
@Sabean Wannabe @maxwell623
Speed,arm, hitting for average, hitting for power and fielding certainly applies to Choo and compared to Morse well there is no comparison.
I have asked this question to Daniel and Robert and I am interested Richard what your answer would be. The asking price that Pablo is asking for is $100M+ for 5 years. Do the Giants bend and dish out the bucks?
I think Pablo's weight will always be a problem and it would be foolish to sign him . In Tracy's article it was mentioned his defense suffers thus he is not on the field 100% of the time when he is over weight and I would not be willing to pay him that much if he can not show his offensive talent because he his sitting on the bench . I would sign him only if I could negotiate a contract that would penalize him for not being at playing weight and if he cannot maintain the weight see you later Charlie. Not sure the PU would like that. If I was a betting man I would bet the house that Pablo will walk because he is the big man on campus when it comes to third basemen FA in 2015.
10 months, 1 week ago on Conversation @ http://thegiantscove.com/uncategorized/giants-braintrust-ponders-rearrangement-of-deck-chairs.html
@Daniel_Stern @maxwell623 @Robert Haymond
I agree. For me the weight issue would stop me in paying that much $$$$. I have always enjoyed watching Pablo play but he is to inconsistant and works way to hard keeping the weight off for me.
@Daniel_Stern @Robert Haymond
Would you pay $100M + for 5 years for Pablo ?
@Robert Haymond @maxwell623
I wanted SF to sign a free agent LFielder even if it cost them a draft choice and said so many times on this blog. I hope I have to eat my words about signing Morse. So far he is having a decent offensive year. I still think they needed a 5 tool player such as Choo to be in left field but going the cheap route and crossing their fingers is the way they went. It needs to stop!
@Robert Haymond @maxwell623
Robert....I have written many words on this blog about the signing of Lincecum for 2014. I was against it and was enraged when they paid him $35M to boot. I really do think the Giants are looking at Sandoval a little bit differently than they did with Lincecum. He is asking for a hell of a lot more money and years and again his weight is a big concern. I think they will go a head and pay the big bucks if he has a better than average year which in my opinion is a mistake but they will not if he has a bad year.
I have always been in the camp of Mr. Dyer on the way the Giants do business when trying to put the best 25 players on the field. It is very frustrating.
My concern now is the Sandoval situation. Sign him or not. The Giants for a change are playing it smart not rushing things and taking a wait and see attitude. Do we pay him $100M for 5 years? Pablo is sitting in a good position because the quality FA's at third for 2015 is very slim. Headley is the only player worth getting but he is not the player that Sandoval is and will be asking big bucks too. My only problem signing him even for big bucks is his weight and keeping it off. He is a better player when he is lighter especially defensibly.
But my gut says the weight issue will always be a problem and with that said the Giants should not pay the big bucks and let him test the market.
My point is pay the money lose the draft pick and at least give yourself and the fans a CHANCE to win the WS EVERY YEAR with a proven veteran with consistent numbers over a period of time that has a fighting chance in driving in runs, getting on base, good defense etc. Morse is a one tool player, so called power hitter which he was for one year out of 9 seasons as a pro. What are we going to do in 2015 to fix the problem in LF. Morse just by his overall ML stats will be gone and we will be going through the same exercise. The fans have paid good money for a long time to see the best 25 players on the field so being that the Giants are in the top 5 of MLB for earning power, spend the damn money and try to appreciate the fans now and long term so we can go to sleep at night and wake up the next day feeling confident we are going to win that day instead of might seeing a baseball go over the fence that might mean something or not.
1 year, 2 months ago on Michael Morse and the World of SF Giants GM Brian Sabean
Do you really think Morse is the answer in LF even in the short term? I don't. That is what the article is about and what my previous comments are suggesting. Plugging holes and hoping for the best is stupid and you need to look long term and we don't have anybody coming up to fill the deep deep hole. Choo would have been a good option long term and don't tell me we do not have the money.
I think the underlying concern the brass was really worried about was giving up that damn 14th round pick. The debate s/b whether their strategy was correct or not. Supposably this draft has a very strong pitching emphasis to it and this is what SF is looking at. Because of last years performance of the team and the glaring need to fill a very deep hole in LF they should have given up the draft choice and selected a blue chip LF who is an all around athlete and there was definitely selections out there that would of fit the bill. Overall I am very disappointed with the Giant organization in how they went about trying to improve this ball club.
1 year, 2 months ago on Giants Make Wrong Statement With Vogelsong Signing
@GoGiants74 I am usually an optimist but I am soooo frustrated with the reaction the GM and front office has had this offseason. It was down right embarrassing the way 2013 panned out. You would think they would go into 2014 with the thought that will never never happen again. We are in the top 5 in market value in MLB. We have the money no question. I was a little strong on my comment to not to go to games. It came out of frustration. Tim Hudson and hoping Lincecum will have the greatest turn around in baseball is not going to win the WS. We needed to starters, a premier LF with power and to plug some holes in the BP. The front office motto s/b FANS FIRST AND PROFIT LAST.
The Giants did more harm than good trying to make the club contenders in 2014. Signing Lincecum was the worst. And for the money they paid him OMG what were they thinking. If the Giants have a terrible season. the fans should NOT go to the ball park. We are starting to act like Cub fans .Fill the place no matter what. We as Giant fans want 25 of the best players on the field at all times and we want to win the WS every year. I hear all the time that the front office is loyal to players( like TL). Bull, start being loyal to your fans. The front office should be ashamed of themselves for the poor job they have done to improve the embarrassing Giants of 2013. It is a joke. I have been a Giant fan since 1964 and I can not remember how truly disappointed I am the way Sabean has conducted himself thus far.
@RDyer @Sabean Wannabe @LoneStarGiantFan
Bottom line. The Giants have the money so they should be thinking of the fans. Put the best players on the field and pay us back for all the butts we have put in the seats every year. I am after offense and it steams me that they might be platooning in LF. After the debacle last year in LF they need an every day blue chipper in that position and if it cost a 1st round draft pick so be it. You would be taking a chance on the pick any way plus it would take some time for seasoning. As a fan I want to win the WS every year and for the Giants not to be aggressive for 2014 would be a slap in the face to the fans . There is a glaring need in LF .Giants do the right thing! Choo is the man to fill it.
1 year, 3 months ago on SF Giants On a Spending Spree? Not So Far
If you had to pick between a front line, run producing OF or a # 2 SP what would your pick be for lets say a 4 year contract. I will go with the OF. The Giants will not pay for both in my opinion and probably will do neither. With the latest rumors flying around I would rather sign Haren over Arroyo but it would be a hard decision.
I agree with the overall point of your post but LoneStar brought up some good facts. The big hole that is staring the Giants in the face is what to do in left field. They still need to pick up a 5 starter but they better think long and hard about LF and do the right thing and if they choose FA not let money stand in the way if it means getting an all around ball blub that can score runs and have good pitching all on a 25 man roster.
@maxwell623 Giants just signed Lincecum to a 2 year $35 million deal. OMG I can not believe SF would pay that much to a guy that is not the guy he use to be and hoping he will be. Terrible move. I do realize the market for SP is weak for 2014 but it is way too much $$$ for a 4 or 5 SP or a reliever. Thank god it is only for 2 years. Lincecum is just not consistent enough to warrant that big of a pay day.
1 year, 4 months ago on The Giants Face a Big Challenge: How to Become Relevant in 2014
I think one of the biggest issues for the front office this off season is how are they going to deal with Lincecum. Because of having two bad seasons in a row by his standards or anybody's else's standards they would be wise offering him a qualifying offer for the projected $14M. But then I say to myself that is a lot of money for one year to pay a guy that has lost some velocity, his confidence and even worse his demand of the strike zone. The big question would be would Lincecum accept the one year qualifying offer. If so he would be rolling the dice praying for a huge turn around in the areas mentioned above in order to sign a multi year contract with someone.
My thought still would be offer him the qualifying offer hoping he would not accept and we would pick up a top draft pick from a team that will make him a lower level multi year contract. I do realize the key word in the previous sentence is HOPING and that's a terrible strategy but on the other hand if Lincecum did take the offer I don't think the world would come to an end for the Giants. I also believe he would not want to go to the bullpen for any team full time. I feel bad about my thought because Timmy is one of my favorite Giants but in my opinion once a starter starts going South it is hard to get all the way North again.
There are 34 starting pitchers up for free agency next year and I have looked at the list and in my opinion it is a pretty weak class. I would however be interested in Matt Garza but he has a qualifying offer status attached to him. The other pitchers on the list worth looking at would be Arroyo, Feldman,Kazmir and P.Hughes. The Giants can also go the trade way for a starting pitcher but I am not sure the Giants would be able to put an attractive package together to get a one ,two or three guy without giving up the farm.
It is surely going to be an interesting off season for the Giants and the fans. Can't wait!!
1 year, 5 months ago on The Giants Face a Big Challenge: How to Become Relevant in 2014
I love the two Oakland players you listed but I think you are giving back too much from the Giants. I agree with Brown , Flores and Sandoval but not 3 pitchers. If Oakland would want a pitcher you could twist my arm and throw in Agosta. Cespedes has a 4 yr $36 million contract but I think SF would be willing to take him because he is very athletic with good power while Donaldson is young and does not have any weight issues and could fill the void at third and he plays other positions also.
I am on your side. Boy would I love to have a power bat in the lineup but I would be hesitant to sign him . I do not know a lot about the overall consistant quality of talent where he is from especially in the pitching department and for the money he will be asking for it would be taking to much of a risk. I would also prefer him to bring something else to the table besides a big bat. I do know the Giants will be spending some money this off season but for my money hopefully not for Abreu.
@RDyer @maxwell623 Just read an article saying that Jose Abreu could demand up to $60 million bucks. If indeed that figure is in the ball park, do you think the Giants would write that big of a check or even close to it to a 26 year one-dimensional power hitter?
Your comments are spot on.