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Just because the AP poll didn't vote Bama #1 in certain years doesn't mean that no one else did. Again, who is to say that one national poll is better than another?
And when you say Auburn could do the same thing and claim 9 titles? Please. Not claiming a title for years like '93 when your team was ineligible for postseason isn't a matter of being classy. It's a matter of realizing how much of a laughing stock the program would be for doing so. Same thing with that "People's Championship" nonsense from '04. If the AP poll had awarded a split title in '04, for example, then there's nothing wrong with claiming it, but that's not what happened. Like I said, there are years in which Bama was voted #1 by certain polls yet UA refuses to claim those. Do a little research.
I forgot to mention earlier this issue about SEC championships. Your breakdown of how Bama won their titles is, of course, based on hearsay. Yes, Bama played a lot against MSU and Vandy over the years. We, however, have NEVER played Kentucky very much. Which message board did you get that gem from? Also, it's true that we've never played Florida very much, but(maybe you're too young to remember) Florida was no powerhouse until Spurrier showed up in 1990. I don't see how "avoiding" them in most years invalidates conference titles. Also, you have no idea what you're talking about when you say we "avoided" Georgia. Bama played Georgia most every year until the 1980s came around. We haven't played them regularly since, but that's mostly to do with the new East/West lineup. It's the same reason Auburn doesn't play Florida very often anymore. I also might add that we played Georgia Tech a lot in the old days and maybe you didn't know this either, but GT was pretty good in the old days before they left the conference. That's why it took AU until 2010 to surpass GT in the SEC title department despite the fact GT hadn't been a part of the conference for nearly 50 years. I suppose though that's because Auburn played Georgia and Florida so much...just a tougher schedule every year, right? Sure.
I might also mention that conference titles could be split until the advent of the conference championship game in '92. Bama won titles in years in which other schools also won them. Why? Because there wasn't a setup for determining a true champion. There were only 6 conference games back in the old days so please don't give me this nonsense about soft schedules. Auburn had just as easy a road historically.
And why does Bama only have a 7 game lead over Auburn? I never said Auburn had a sucky program. They've obviously won a fair bit over the years. Guess what though, that still qualifies you for #2 in the state.
5 days, 16 hours ago on Auburn’s Malzahn Skirts Texas Talk, But SI.com Writer Is Right – He Should Go If Offered
I'm not going to get drawn into a argument about which national titles Bama claims and which ones are valid. Anyone who wants to do a little research can dig and find out why Bama claims the titles that they do and why they are perfectly reasonable to claim. The only exception might be 1941, but there are years in which Bama has gone undefeated and been voted #1 even though Bama doesn't claim those. It all events out.
The reality is that it's ridiculous to say that claiming titles before a certain poll was established make the title invalid. It's as ridiculous as claiming that titles won before the BCS era don't count. The NCAA doesn't recognize champions so who really has the right to decide?
The AP poll was actually established in 1934...bet you didn't know that did you? I also bet you didn't know that Bama only claims 3 titles before that time? You probably believe whatever hearsay you find on an Auburn message board when it comes to these sorts of things. That's ok though, I don't expect better.
And actually, the vast majority of Michigan's titles came before WWII. Then, of course, there is every single other program that won a title from that era...Notre Dame, Minnesota, Army, Navy, Stanford. They all claim their titles. In fact, I dare you to do a little research and find a program from that era that doesn't claim their title. Just because it happened a long time ago and they didn't do things the way we do them now doesn't mean it was invalid.
As far as the overall quality of UA versus AU, believer what you will.
I'll conclude by saying I enjoyed discussing with an Aubie that didn't immediately refer to me as trailer trash because I'm a Bama fan. We should do it more often.
6 days, 16 hours ago on Auburn’s Malzahn Skirts Texas Talk, But SI.com Writer Is Right – He Should Go If Offered
Is it wrong of me that what I actually enjoy is that comments like mine get under the skin of you folks? I'll let you decide.
In seriousness though, Thamel's point is completely logical. It has nothing to do with how many coaches have come through Tuscaloosa or haven't and vice-versa with Auburn. It's the nature of their stay and their departure. Terry Bowden started off like gangbusters, but was essentially run out of town due to unmet expectations...same with Tuberville...same with Chizik. Now a coach being fired for unmet expectations isn't anything unusual, but what matters is are the expectations realistic? In Auburn's case, competing for championships year in and year out is an unreasonable expectation. Why? Because they've never done it before.
Winning 7-9 games on an annual basis with the occasional big year should be Auburn's expectation until someone comes in there and proves that something more than that can be done. Until that time, Auburn's expectations are based on what big brother has accomplished. 15 national titles...23 SEC titles...3 national titles in the last 4 years...these are the marks of a program capable of greatness. That's not opinion, that's a fact proven on the field. It's perfectly reasonable for the Bama brass to be less patient with their coaches because history and circumstances have proven that excellence is imminently achievable.
What speaks volumes is the fact that Auburn's expectations are based on the accomplishments of Bama rather than their own history or vision. What does that tell you? Alabama is the superior program, always has been, and probably always will be. Whether the Auburn folks want to admit it or not, their entire athletic philosophy revolves around that fact. You know as well as I do that the real goal at Auburn is to be better than Bama on an annual basis. If championships come along with it then that's just gravy, but the only intolerable situation is one where Auburn is taking a back seat to Bama.
And let's not forget that every coaching change at Bama over the last 30 years has not been your run of the mill guy getting fired after bad performances. Mike Price never coached a game and got himself into hot water, that had nothing to do with the program. In fact, it's a tribute to the program that they fired Price rather than covering up his behavior. Certainly Bama was setting themselves up for nothing but heartache in firing a brand new coach in the middle of May. Subsequently, hiring Shula in such a unique situation was always a temporary solution. He was never qualified for the job, but Bama was forced to make a difficult decision. After all that, Bama lands the best coach in the country and builds another dynasty. Auburn wins a title around the same time and the program collapses shortly thereafter. That my friend is instability.
Meanwhile, Ray Perkins left for a job in the NFL. How is that a sign of instability? Stallings won a national title before retiring. Instability there? DuBose...I'll give you that one. Franchione...I don't know how to explain that one. He didn't leave for a better job. He left because the AD was not giving him the facilities upgrades that he wanted and honestly needed. Instability? I'll call that a push. Curry on the other hand was essentially run out of town as is the M.O. at Auburn. The difference of course is that that happened 20 plus years ago...it's not a recurring theme.
In short, my thesis is this: Bama presents opportunities for qualified coaches that few other programs in America can. Texas is an equal, but not a superior program. Auburn is an above average program, albeit run by a good ole boy network that is stuck with an insecure mindset that drives them to compare the program to Alabama at every turn.
1 week ago on Auburn’s Malzahn Skirts Texas Talk, But SI.com Writer Is Right – He Should Go If Offered
John, it looks like you struck a nerve with the Aubies. Which isn't surprising as the typical(not all) Auburn fan is completely delusional about the nature of their program. John writes a completely logical piece about where the Auburn job stands in the grand scheme of things and the knee jerk reaction from Aubs is to compare their troubles to that of Alabama's. I have to say, it entertains me.
Anyway, Malzahn would be foolish to turn down the Texas job if he's indeed offered. Deep down, the Aubs know that and it drives them crazy.
@Farris @the_voice Compared to Texas, yes, Auburn is a stepping stone job. If Malzahn is offered that job then he should take it. Remember when Chizik left for the same position at Texas that he had at Auburn. There's no difference.
I wish Nussmeier well. UW is a decent job so if that is what he wants then I think it would be a good opportunity for him.
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One of the best ways to make the schedules more fair is to add conference games. 9 games would make for more fair rotations. Heck, 10 games would be outstanding and that way you could have 5 home and 5 away. Of course, the whiners don't like that either because that's too many "tough" games.
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It's even harder to build a big fan base at a small private school for football than it is for basketball. It's easier to build a successful bball program over a long period of time in the first place...recruiting a solid 12 players versus a solid 85. You add to that the financial commitment a school needs to make in order to play good football...coaches salaries, facilities, and recruiting.
The only small private school I can think of that has really achieved this is Notre Dame. That comes from their affiliation with the Catholic church as well as a century of consistent success. Miami is private and has had success in the last 30 years, but they really don't draw big crowds except for FSU and other huge games. It's a tough road to hoe.
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Others have touched on it, but I would like to see the averages when you factor out the cupcake games. Improving the quality of the schedule could only help attendance.
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I see a maximum of 8 wins on the schedule, but 6 is a very real possibility. AU, Arkansas, and Ole Miss are the toss ups, but I think State wins at least one of them. Oklahoma State, not sure what they've got, but it should be winnable.
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I think the biggest question is will the Big 12 schools re-up their grant of rights agreement as it comes time for the current one to expire? There is a serious chance the B12 could become unstable again in a few years.
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Texas also wants to maintain control. Any addition that would weaken their authority will be nixed.
I could see one day maybe USF getting an invite if their program continues to progress.
Flagging much less ejecting Clowney for that hit is patently absurd.
The way things are going, football as we know it is going to end up being banned one day. Some of these rules they are coming up with are nothing short of ridiculous. We see it in the NFL all the time now, regardless of where contact is made you basically can't hit someone hard anymore. Has anyone ever told these officials that the object of the game is to tackle the ball carrier. It is by nature a physical game.
And in actuality, there are about a hundred crazy/radical things you could do to the game that would make more sense than what they're doing these days in the name of "safety." 1) Get rid of helmets...studies show physical sports like rugby and Aussie rules football have fewer head injuries despite their physical nature. 2) Height and weight limits...make sure everyone playing the game is about the same size...can't be too small or too large. 3) Regulate how athletes work out...athletes are bigger, faster, stronger than they've ever been so keep their bodies at more natural sizes rather than allowing them to put on muscle mass.
Any of those things would be huge changes, but would not be antithetical to the nature of the game. The point is to tackle the ball carrier...how can you flag someone for tackling?
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I thought FOX was just converting Speed into the new FS1? I figured Speed already had pretty universal coverage or do they have to go back to the drawing board with a change of format?
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I can see the true talent difference not being 49-0. Of course, that doesn't mean the talent difference wasn't 21-0 or something like that. Auburn was an unusually bad football team last year. They'll probably be better this year, but I don't think the difference will be that significant. I could see them going 5-7 or 6-6, but still being blown out by the best teams they face. They have a long way to go after what Chizik did to the program plus a lot of those highly rated prospects from those great recruiting years didn't stick around very long so that creates another hole to dig out of.
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I don't think any of the new coaches will reach 7 wins this year, but I do believe Jones and Bielema could get 6 wins and be in the postseason. UK has a lot of rebuilding to do and AU was almost as bad last year. Malzahn will be an improvement, but they've got a long way to go.
5 months ago on Fearless Predictions: 5 Things That Will Happen In The SEC This Fall
Interesting set of predictions. I have to disagree with #5 as well. I think if any program around the country is going to knock off the SEC champ it's going to be Oregon or another talent laden team that runs an up-tempo offense. Oregon might have a rebuilding year this year, but the transition shouldn't take long with most of that staff being intact. I might also cast a vote for an undefeated FSU team depending on how much progress they make. I don't think the streak is going to end this year, but I think those are the programs that have a legitimate shot.
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I agree completely. One more thing I'll add as far as Malzahn goes. He's not going to match up with Saban in most years, if ever. That alone might give him the shortest leash. Chizik lost 3 of 4 to Bama. Tuberville on the other hand had won 6 in a row before a total collapse to Bama in year 7. Despite every good thing Tuberville had done, his program had fallen behind Saban's and that was unacceptable to the AU brass. If Malzahn doesn't beat Bama at least 50% of the time then he's done regardless of what else he accomplishes.
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I might be mistaken, but don't baseball players get the option of returning to college post-draft as long as they don't sign an agent? I'm sure I've heard stories of kids not being drafted very highly so they decide to either go to college or come back for their senior year. It makes a lot of sense. If that were allowed for basketball or football for that matter then a kid making a mistake would have a chance to improve their stock for the future. Of course, if you're highly drafted then you become highly paid so the decision is made for you.
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It really is a punch in the gut that a player for Bama is leaving the current coach to go play for the former coach at NC State.
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