J G Marking
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@justin_mia But no fan ever projects their emotions onto their team or its players. :)
1 year, 11 months ago on The Showtime Supermen may have tugged on the wrong cape
@Royce Young @ou_sas 60 comments in 15 minutes and not even a word about all the comments. I remember when 60 comments was considered a huge day for the site.
Kudos to you Royce, I continue to be amazed with what you've constructed here at Daily Thunder, man. Seriously, job well done.
Thanks for letting me contribute.
@ou_sas You haven't missed a bunch, I've just been mainly reading and not writing all that much.
Though it's clear that I should clearly contribute more often with so many insightful critiques and uniform support for what I will be the first to admit was a knee-jerk, fan-centric response. :)
@Hermit@TaoMaas You listed team stats as being more important than individual stats. It was pointed out that the stats listed in the article were of the 5 man units, addressing and rebuking your individual/team stats point. You listed inequity of competition. It was pointed out that the competition Harden faced while with that 5 man unit was most assuredly equal to, if not greater, than the competition Thabo faced.And now, you are the one trying to change the parameters back to, "okay, but is the team better as a whole with Thabo playing the first 8 minutes of the game"...which has already been answered by multiple individuals on here regarding every relevant statistic from win %, to net point differential, to the starters being outscored by a full 9 POINTS in the playoffs (-9 differential) to the fact that there is always KD, RW or JH on the floor for the Thunder at one time last season, so there would always be an offensive scorer/focal point, and even to how, specifically, the Thunder operate as a 5 man unit, hands down better with James Harden than Thabo.
And then to top it all off, you try to "straw man" valid arguments that refute positions by skewing the parameters again by saying that crunch time minutes equal who should start (which is in no way what was ever argued) based off of one small snippet of one fourth quarter of one individual game dynamic, regarding Eric Maynor and Daequan Cook playing SOME crunch time minutes, neither of which are involved in the debate in any way, completely removing the actual content and context of the back-and-forth topics that have been discussed.
Which is to pretty much say, I think we've reached an impasse here to which discussion or the sharing of viewpoints can no longer serve a purpose towards a meaningful debate...but thanks for reading and commenting all the same! Definitely nice to have the NBA back. :)
And what would the DT be without never-ending arguments that everyone on here has absolutely no say or sway in regarding if they'll happen or not!
2 years, 7 months ago on Should James Harden start?
@Hermit@TaoMaas Keith00 kind of touched on this, but what you're overlooking or not considering is that the ONLY time Harden played with the other four starters was during crunch time minutes, and since a team always plays their best 5 man unit in crunch time, there is absolutely zero inequity of competition. That is why the 5 man unit statistical analysis was used.
In fact, the case could be made in numerous examples for Harden facing an even greater level of competition than Thabo did. Using your very own touted Dallas Mavericks analogy, the 5 man unit that Thabo faced starting the game with Stevenson in the lineup for the Mavs is actually INFERIOR competition than what Harden faced in crunch time with Jason Terry playing for the Mavs in those crunch time minutes.
@Hermit@TaoMaas "Stats don't tell the whole story here, and especially defensive stats. There might be some substance to defensive team stats, but individual stats are weak. And that applies to almost every sport. Its very difficult to quantify individual defensive ability."Which is precisely why the article used FIVE-MAN unit statistics regarding points scored and points allowed, not individual stats. So, yes, you're absolutely correct...in supporting the fact that the team offensive and defensive stat differentials show that for the starting five man units, there is a distinct advantage to having Harden with the starting five than Thabo.
@TaoMaas The Thunder starting five scores twice the amount of points per possession differential with Harden as the defense gives up in points per possession with Thabo. Or in other words, there is no negating effect at all. Harden's offensive production in the starting five is double the defensive production that Thabo brings. Toss on an ALARMING 5.3% in improved win percentage, and there is just no way you can say that there is a "neglible difference" between the two players with the starting five.
@[censored]@Hermit This. The entire point is not to say that Thabo is evil and we should boycott Swiss cheese and change it's name to "Thunder cheese" because of the Switzerland ties. I'm actually a big Thabo fan, and I think if he would slash and dash more than spot up, he'd be an immense benefit to the Thunder bench as a stopper and tertiary scoring threat (seriously, against another team's bench Thabo gets better and better as a scorer). The point is that the Thunder, per almost every single relevant statistic AND eye test, are not maximizing their talent or their rotation as currently constructed.
@Jax Raging Bile Duct Now THAT would have been hilarious. But I'm pretty sure Royce may have had an issue with it. :)
@f5alcon@Hermit You know, the person who wrote this should have really put an example of a staggered rotation that could work in the article...