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@skmind @IdleTime @TedTennis I saw the match. I didn't get the feeling he was "disinterested". I agree that he seemed annoyed at times, but that would be antithesis to being "disinterested". I think he was annoyed that he couldn't play better and win the match more easily. If one of his missions is to be #1, then his focus would be to win every single match he's scheduled to play.
I'm not crazy about the idea myself mostly because the Basel schedule always seems so inconvenient, but make no mistake it is one of Rog's most favorite tournaments. He has been in the finals there more than any other tournament he's ever played, if that's proof of anything.
Yes, he's serious about DC, but that is a long way away and it doesn't/shouldn't affect Basel. Furthermore, Basel is an opportunity for him to net 500 points on Novak.
Contemplating on skipping Paris was about how many matches he might potentially end up playing prior to that tournament. If he exited early in Shanghai, he would decide to play Paris for sure. So winning Shanghai and then potentially Basel would give him pause to participate in that event, as he doesn't want to wear out his body. He will assess his health at the end of Basel.
I agree that DC is more important to him than #1. That's why Paris is a cushion tournament for him. He would never participate in an elective tournament and then tank a match.
16 hours, 7 minutes ago on Conversation @ http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2014/10/raonic-beats-young-to-reach-swiss-indoors-quarters/53112/
@froghollow2 I don't think he played "poorly". I don't even think he started out slowly. He held comfortably until that sixth game when he got broken in a tough service game. Denis played well, but unfortunately for him, you can't win a match in one set. Interestingly, last year they met in the same round with Istomin winning the first set as well. And the following QF match, Roger met, as in this year, Dimitrov. He defeated in Dimitrov in straights. Deja vu this year?
16 hours, 33 minutes ago on Conversation @ http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2014/10/raonic-beats-young-to-reach-swiss-indoors-quarters/53112/
@skmind @IdleTime @TedTennis I see what you're saying. He would have to play 5 matches in a row. He would then start Paris 3 days later and play 5 matches in a row (if he wins every round).
Even so, he's not going to tank in his hometown tournament. Like it or not, bad strategy or good strategy, the this hometown tournament is important to him. He wants to win every single match there. Remember, he had said in Shanghai that there's a possibility that he might skip one of the tournaments leading up to WTF, depending on how he performs. Historically, he has skipped Paris and never Basel. So you can see which tournament means more to him, sentimentally.
17 hours, 15 minutes ago on Conversation @ http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2014/10/raonic-beats-young-to-reach-swiss-indoors-quarters/53112/
@tamaskee @Pvessel Well, Rog was surprised at the big response in France from his clay picture tweet. And then he realized that DC is important in France and he said so, meaning he shouldn't have been so surprised. What's the big deal at what he said?! Geez Luise!
17 hours, 22 minutes ago on Conversation @ http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2014/10/federer-shrugs-simons-comments-davis-cup-sparring-begins/53116/
@skmind @TedTennis Istomin is a dangerous player. He's given Rafa tough matches even if the scores aren't close. He gave Rog a hard time last year as well (winning the first set). I don't think it had anything to do with it being a back-to-back match for Rog. He was on court for 47 minutes yesterday; nothing more than a practice session. He played back-to-back matches in Shanghai and defeated Djokovic. If he loses to Dimitrov tomorrow, it will have little to do with him being tired. I don't expect Roger losing though. Dimitrov's game is not much like Istomin's. Rog beat in straights last year at the same tournament.
17 hours, 46 minutes ago on Conversation @ http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2014/10/raonic-beats-young-to-reach-swiss-indoors-quarters/53112/
@DjordjeLezajic @IdleTime Roger doesn't necessarily have to win all three tournaments to be #1. If he wins Basel, then all he has to do is advance further than Novak in Paris and London. Remember, Roger can also then earn an additional 140 points at Davis Cup. Also, the pressure is on Nole. He wants the #1 YE more than Roger.
1 day, 2 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2014/10/djokovic-becomes-father-baby-boy-stefan-will-play-paris-masters/53097/
Funny. After seeing a few clips of him playing recently, I thought he looks a like homeless dude playing in the ATP. The unruly hair reminds of the young McEnroe.
1 day, 13 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2014/10/when-andy-attacks/53088/
Good timing on baby arrival, nearly a week before his next tournament. I don't want to hear any excuses if he loses early.
Roger returns to #1 when he had his first twins, and this year he's playing his best for a long time after giving birth to another pair of twins.
1 day, 17 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2014/10/djokovic-becomes-father-baby-boy-stefan-will-play-paris-masters/53097/
Andy makes a good film actor.
1 week ago on Conversation @ http://www.tennis.com/photos-video/2014/10/video-britney-spears-pharrell-audition-andy-murray-film-roles/53050/
@Take That Nadal is being perceptive here. That's what I said in the other thread. Fed vs. Novak's matches are almost always so well played. They match up very well. In recent years, it's almost 50-50 every time they play as to predicting who's going to win. That unpredictability makes a good rivalry.
Theirs don't get as much attention as when they pair w/ Nadal because most often they are not the #1 and #2 players in the world when they play each other.
1 week, 2 days ago on Conversation @ http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2014/10/forward-thinking/53019/
@Rafessi @IdleTime @Lone Wolf What doesn't make sense? That a Nadal fan can praise Federer?
@Rafessi @Lone Wolf Tignor is a fan of Nadal, more than Federer.
I like the fact that Steve didn't focus solely on Rog's revived net play. Yes, he does rush to the net more often now, but all other parts of his game are clicking as well. He employs all of his options well. A genius knows how to adapt.
1 week, 3 days ago on Conversation @ http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2014/10/forward-thinking/53019/
YE #1 is nice and if he gets the DC win, then the pain of the Wimbledon loss will subside for us fans.
But at the same time I don't want Rog to wear himself down to achieve both of these feats. I remember Sampras ran himself ragged when he achieved that for the 6th year. He didn't play well again and win another title for nearly a year.
1 week, 3 days ago on Conversation @ http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2014/10/fed-expressed/53001/
@skmind @Minh Lam Rog is definitely playing Basel. He always does. It's his hometown, will never disappoint his fans. He might skip Paris if he goes deep/wins in Basel. Or he might play Paris if he feels the urge to fight for #1.
1 week, 4 days ago on Conversation @ http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2014/10/fed-expressed/53001/
@Carol35 @IdleTime I'm not saying that they're best friends. All you have to do is witness their battles. They are great matches, they have great match-ups. It satisfies them to try and outfox each other on court. Theirs is the best rivalries amongst the big three (or four).
1 week, 4 days ago on Conversation @ http://www.tennis.com/photos-video/2014/10/video-djokovic-stares-down-federer/53006/
It was definitely a "stare down", and I loved it. Players stare each other down all the time. Even Roger, but he does it rather abbreviated-ly so the camera doesn't always catch it. This stare down happened after a long rally where Rog gave Novak all kinds of troubles, but then Novak had the last answer and Novak gave that "you think you got me huh, b*tch?"
It was funny and entertaining. When on court and in an intense competitive moment, things can get personal. But when the battle is over, we can become gentleman again. I think these two really enjoy competing with each other.
@HugoPo @IdleTime Right. But at this point we don't know when Jelena will pop. So we still have to consider that Novak will play in Paris and London. And it is also uncertain if Rog will play both Basel and then Paris, per his interview earlier this week. If he wins tomorrow and then Basel, he will still be 500 points behind Novak before WTF.
1 week, 5 days ago on Conversation @ http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2014/10/fed-expressed/53001/
@RuthBB @IdleTime Theoretically, yes. But I was referring to the fight to the #1 ranking between Novak and Rog, per this article's topic. And all the remaining tournaments to be played by both of them will be counted toward their respective total points.
The easiest way to assess the potential Year end ranking at this time of the season, with only a few more tournaments to go, is to look at the race to London ranking. You don't have to do the subtracting, just the adding.
If Fed wins tomorrow (a good chance but not a shoo-in), he will be behind Novak around 1000 pts.
They're both scheduled to play in the same 3 remaining tournaments. It's do-able, but it's a tall order for Roger to net 1000 pts over Novak in this short stretch.
@Dropshot "Arrogant" might be overstating, "overtly reliant" is more appropriate. But when Bodo says "arrogant", I think he means arrogant of his game, not as a person in general.
@Yolita @skmind @Dan Last I don't think Rog cares too much about being #1 at year end, especially in a year when he didn't win a slam. It would feel hollow. Right now, he would play to win every match and tournament he can. Winning Shanghai would be great as he'd never won this Masters before. Basel is always special to him. WTF and of course DC are important to him.
2 weeks, 6 days ago on Conversation @ http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2014/10/baby-due-month-says-djokovic-putting-indoor-events-doubt/52913/
@Carol35 @IdleTime 90% of the time, players instinctively and reflexively hit the ball when it lands on their side of the court; when they realized it was out they raise their hand. That's a challenge, even though they already hit the ball.
Not only that, Rafa, after raising his hand, turned away from the court. He essentially stopped play. It was so obvious only a viewer watching tennis through Nadal Rose-Colored glasses can deny.
1 month, 2 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2014/09/playing-last-point/52686/
So the odds for Roger's victory today got even higher with Novak's dismissal. I don't know of a slam where the top 2 seeds get eliminated on the same day in the semis. Has there?
1 month, 2 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2014/09/us-open-mens-semifinals-previews/52687/
So if Rog beats Cilic then Nishikori, he would have won the USO w/o meeting a top 10 player. 11th ranked Nishikori would be the highest ranked player he meets.
@Delta Asian born/nationality.
The heat was never Novak's friend. And I guess he could no longer disguise his poor summer's form when meeting an inspired player.
@Rafessi @IdleTime @ShaNath Watch the point again, Monfils did have to stretch. Yes, it was center of the court, but it was a strong FH volley, and Monfils hit it out rather long. Yes, Rog said he was lucky, but not in reference to the point in question. He said he did go for it and not giving the MPs away. Rog is often gracious after winning a close match, calling himself lucky to come through. But that doesn't necessarily bare reality to those MPs.
1 month, 2 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2014/09/monfils-federer-adjusted-game-quarterfinal-victory/52695/
@ShaNath That was a forced error. Rog hit a strong FH volley. If Monfils' reply were in, Monfils would have been the one who's lucky.
@Carol35 Rafa also raised his hand up after he hit the ball. That's a sign of a challenge.
@tennispompom @IdleTime Trust me, I did not watch the whole match. Pretty much gave up after 2 sets. I'm a tennis fan, so my instinct is always to watch a match between 2 marquee names, despite my better judgment sometimes.
1 month, 2 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2014/09/us-open-djokovic-d-murray/52672/
@mrn10sdave You are correct. Rog meant that he should *not* gift Gael the point.
@jl1234 @IdleTime @kiam I'm not "touchy". I call it as I see it. Most tennis players these days are physical and play with a power game. All top players have to run fast and hit hard. Monfils is not any more physical or powerful than Federer.
Another example, last night both players painted corners and lines in equal measures with equal strength. But the NYT writer describes Rog's shots as "precise" and Gaels "raw power". I get that they tend to use the word "precision" for Rog b/c he's Swiss and Switzerland makes watches. But why "raw" for Gael? Is it because he's... uh... French?
These writers and commentators need to stop resorting knee-jerk stereotypes, not only b/c it's problematic but also cliched and tired.
@Northernboy @IdleTime @Master Ace Fed didn't face a MP against Haas did he? Let alone a double one. So in terms of pure tennis drama, this was a bigger come back.
As for Falla, it wasn't in the much earlier round, and Falla was no Monfils who came through the draw in style, so it truly felt he was going to beat Federer last night.
As far as the "ifs". It's simply annoying. If this happens, and if that happens, then this would happen bla bla bla.
@SeanSmith 6-2 in the decider is not a "razor thin win".
@Rafessi @IdleTime ... If you are a fan of competitive and dramatic tennis.
1 month, 2 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2014/09/us-open-womens-semifinal-previews/52683/
I can't wait for the Ivanisevic v Edberg and Chang v Becker semifinals on September 6, 2014!
A Wozniacki and Serena final is the only finals worth watching and competitive.
@MNTennisFan @IdleTime What I meant is that they had work hard for their spots. That doesn't happen to all tournaments. It's rare to find all 4 semifinalists having to battle through 3 1/2 hours plus matches to get there.
1 month, 2 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2014/09/us-open-federer-d-monfils/52685/
@kiam It's true that whenever commentators/journalists describe a black player's game, it's always leaning toward "how incredibly athletic they are" and rarely about the intelligence of their game. Gael's game is very agile and varied. But they only focus on his physical prowess. Even a good writer like Pagliano would resort to making an analogy of Monfils as fast as a "bike messenger."
@Master Ace There are 2 too many ifs in your claim.
As we all know, a tennis match is often about momentum and flow. If you're up, you play freely. If you're down, you play tight and nervous. And a wrong decision here or there can make a big difference.
Roger won the first 6 points of the match and had several BPs on Gael's first service game, so it wasn't like Gael came out firing. Had Rog converted one of those BPs and held his next service game, he'd be 3-0 up, and the complexion of the match could have been quite different.
Being 2 sets up to love doesn't automatically give you the match. Rog's strategy was to make the finish line for Gael as far away as possible. He accomplished that by breaking Gael right away in the beginning of 3rd. Rog was a break up in the 4th and he blew that, but the idea is the same, make Gael doubt his game. Yes, Monfils had MPs, but they both were on Rog's serves. Those points are not meant to be won by the receiver.
To stay competitive with Rog for 4 sets is a mentally exhausting endeavor for anyone, let alone one who constantly runs on fumes like Gael, and in the 5th, Rog like a true seasoned champion ran away with the momentum.
Rog won this match every bit as much as Gael lost it. A mark of a great classic.
Each of the seminalists enter the round of 4 with 3 hour plus matches. Even though this was a 5 setter, it was shorter than the Novak-Andy match. Cilic went the distance with Simon and we all know about marathon man Nishikori. All 4 really earned their spots.
@Take That Oh brother! Give it a rest. "The game" means competition, means intensity and charged emotions. All champions live for that.
Holy Moly! I turned off the TV when it was Rog was 2 MPs down. I came back 10 minutes later and was thrilled that he was serving for the set.
As for LaMonf's "meltdown". Well, one has to say that it takes a lot to stay competitive with Rog for 4 full sets, so by the 5th Gael was spent. Credits have to be given to Rog for that, no?
1 month, 2 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2014/09/federer-saves-match-points-comes-two-sets-down-beat-monfils/52684/
I'm very happy that Cilic broke through. He played well today, most impressively was his serves. It was at Sampras, Ivanisevic and Federer level. But that was pretty much it today. He was not tested in other areas from Berdych who was really mostly absent from the match. Having always been in the lead in the whole match allowed Marin to stay calm and execute his serves and a few excellent groundstrokes.
1 month, 2 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2014/09/us-open-cilic-d-berdych/52679/
These two make each other look very mortal. Novak vs. Murray and Novak vs. Rafa are borefest, wearing each out in numbing rallies. Fed's game brings excitement to these matchups.
Now. I love Gael. So very much. And so happy he beat Dimitrov. But you can't praise how good he was against Dimitrov while denigrating Dimitrov to the ground. If Dimitrov was so bad and awful, then Gael's win was nothing special, no? Maybe Gael, as he admitted, was just lucky.
1 month, 2 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2014/09/monfils-unplugged/52654/
Tignor (and journalists in general) should just stop writing before the predicting part. It's so unnecessary.
1 month, 2 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2014/09/first-ball-94-midnight-runaround/52674/
@AM Down Under Physically, sure. Game-wise, not at all.
1 month, 2 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2014/09/us-open-quarterfinal-preview-djokovic-vs-murray/52638/