JBDW
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Not being able to see the rest of the Finals, I'm really frustrated that this game will be what I'm going to remember before I go off the grid for a month. A long month of waiting to find out if the Thunder won or lost..
@neo12 @EatSleepThunder Not if ESPN has anything to say about it.
@ElMexiThunder @Lost Maybe. But does it apply in Hill's case? That's something we don't know for sure, and it's presumptuous to assume that charged = convicted, as most people are, just because Hill is unlikeable.
@Old Man Game That's the common narrative, but I don't think that's fair. They were as much 1a and 1b as KD and RW are right now. It annoys me to no end when people downplay Russell by calling him a Robin, implying that he's nowhere near as important to OKC as KD. I feel the same way about the Bryant narrative in the first championship runs; he was just about as crucial to those championships as Shaq (carrying the team on his back when Shaq was fouled out, making killer shots), and it's ridiculous to make it sounded like he 'only' won because of Shaq.
Fuck MWP.
@JamesChurch The media voting on it is a major issue for sure, but I do think the ambiguity does play a pretty big role. Going on any sports forums, you'll see a ton of people arguing over the MVP each year, each of them having different criteria because of their interpretation of 'valuable'.
@JamesChurch This has been a problem with the MVP award for years now. Part of it is the term 'valuable', which lends itself to all manner of interpretations. If it were called the 'Best Player Award', then it would remove some ambiguity from the term, although you would naturally still have debates about who was the best.
For what it's worth, I think it wouldn't be ridiculous if KD won this year. Yes Lebron's stats are sick, but so are KD's, and KD's late game performances might well be enough justification for him to edge James. It all depends on what you prefer to place emphasis on.
@Jooseppi Then I guess we'll have to disagree. From where Cook was, it's a wide open shot for any decent shooter. And for a superstar, that's where you make your money. Passing the ball isn't a bad decision, that's not something anyone's arguing, but for a superstar to pass up an open shot in that situation says something about his mentality as a closer.
@qrex @FF_pickups That's a terrible example. That was a play DESIGNED for Steve Kerr. Lebron passed the ball to House DESPITE being wide open.
I'm not sure why the difference is so hard to see.
@Jooseppi That's hardly a close-out. Cook was NOWHERE close to him when he received the ball. In fact, Cook was just about as close to House as he was to James when either of them received the ball.
If KD passed up that kind of look in crunch time, I would be sorely disappointed.
@FF_pickups It's funny, because Royce talks all the time about how Westbrook makes huge plays when it's crucial, like a crucial offensive rebound when the team needs it. Yet, from a statistical sense, that rebound at the end of the game which shifts momentum, is completely equal to a rebound at the beginning of the game that just happened to fall into someone's hands.
I love stats and the advent of advanced metrics, but I find that the people on this particularly board worship it too much.
@Old Man Game @OkcBaby My thoughts exactly.
He was just as open. The whole 'it was a smart play' thing is really a copout. If it was Kobe, Jordan, Durant, or even Wade in that situation, you better damn well believe that they're taking that wide open shot, especially in crunch time. You're a superstar, you're paid to take and make big shots. Lebron is a wonderful facilitator, but plays like that show exactly why people criticize his lack of a killer instinct.
And that's the biggest, hard-to-quantify difference between Lebron and KD. Lebron is a stat counter's wet dream, but KD's not that far behind either, and KD's killer clutch shooting is something that you can't simply ignore when it comes to the discussion of who the better player is.
@David_MN He's not moving the ball on offense when he could. He's making his shots, but that doesn't mean that they're necessarily good ones.
Russ is going hero mode again. Ugh.
Russ 3/11. Come on Russ!