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1 week, 4 days ago on Why Jimmer Fredette no longer made sense for the Sacramento Kings
@mdjaehn @Em Gee@sleslie1 Sunk costs are irrelevant. All of this other stuff is rumor and conjecture and doesn't matter. While I'm sure there might have been a little jealously about the hype about Jimmer, Jimmer's rookie season didn't play at well. From this point on, Jimmer's career is up to him. Same for Demarcus. I think Jimmer will fit in great with a defensive team that needs scoring. If he wants more than spot minutes he'll have to get better at defense or playmaking. If Demarcus wants to be an all-star, he'll have to lead his team to winning, and stop whining so much. With that said, with Demarcus, IT, and Rudy, I think the kings can start winning if they get the right SG and shot blocker.
Lets hope they meet again in the playoffs next season as rivals!!
I'd say the main difference between Thomas and Jimmer is that Thomas was rewarded with more playing time when he played well his first season. When Jimmer was leading the NBA in PER to start his second season, his minutes were still kept to a minimum despite struggles from both IT and Brooks. That's the baffling thing. This season, had its ups an downs and even though his minutes were limited, he did consistently well in that limited but consistent role.
Whatever it is, I think its the right move for both parties to let Jimmer go. Malone can only hope he can get his team to buy into team defense like the bulls. In that setting, a spark-plug shooter is pure gold, and I think we'll see Jimmer find has niche.
Poor shooters always brag about their defense.
So Malone thinks sparse playing time reduces FG%.....
1 week, 5 days ago on Orlando Johnson looks to bring Pacers mindset to Sacramento Kings
@Mad Dam @daddychop @Charger11 Not in the games I've seen. The strategy of other teams (the good ones) seems to be to try take either Gay or Cousins out of the game (depending on the SF or C matchup defensively), and then to let IT take things one and one. IT is good and will keep things close, but because he tries to break down the other team one on one, by min 30 IT starts making bad decisions, and the other team pulls away. This is how Warriors beat us last week, with Iggy taking Rudy out and IT had Curry, but down the stretch lost steam.
Playing IT 40 min a game is the perfect recipe for tanking IMHO. IT keeps things close for 30 min, but then gets tired and other team pulls away. The games are moderately entertaining/frustrating, but the lottery pick numbers improve in our favor.
2 weeks, 3 days ago on Will Jimmer Fredette see reduced minutes for the Sacramento Kings?
@daddychop @sebass31@snooch2danooch He didn't get traded because the 76's have 9 second round picks. Nobody else has them. So there were few contenders that had a second round pick to off him, as only contenders want a rental. The rebuilding teams don't want to give up an asset to get him, because they can always sign him in free agency. For the kings, he's an expiring contract, so the weren't willing to trade him for another player with another contract. That limited his options to just winning teams which are playoff bound, and very few had 2nd round picks to offer given the hoarding of the 76's.
@Cowbb Maybe they will buy him out. Not playing him gives them more leverage in negotiating the buy out. Of course if they're truly dicks about, expect Rudy to held elsewhere next year (Jimmer and Rudy have the same agent).
2 weeks, 4 days ago on CK Press Box Report: Golden State Warriors 101, Sacramento Kings 92
@layituplikeaman Losing teams don't want a rental for two months. So that limits options to contenders..we'll see. I think the early trade with the Heat might not be the last for the Kings.
2 weeks, 5 days ago on CK Press Box Report: Golden State Warriors 101, Sacramento Kings 92
@Andromeda4 @layituplikeaman He was trying to pass to Gay and Gay was lazy getting on the court.
@layituplikeaman Its on the draft express website. Look at the meta data. The individual data has the typo.
3 weeks ago on WATCH: Jimmer Fredette scores career-high 24 points in Madison Square Garden
@layituplikeaman I believe he's talking about reach. Both are strong. Regarding agility I believe that's a typo on IT's agility (that would mean he completely destroyed everyone who has ever done the agility test by order of magnitude). Also in the meta results for everyone, IT"s agility is 10.49.
Come on guys, quit setting up strawmen, lets move on. Jimmer's a great shooter who hasn't been utilized properly, whose ceiling unknown, but he has to turnover the ball less to get more time on the court.
IT's a great scorer, who is improving in running an offense, but on many times would be a spark off the bench, but an our team, has won a 3 year battle to be PG. He has a lot of strengths. He has it for the next 4 months. Next year....who knows.
They're both great offensively, they both suck a defense. They should play together more often.
Now everyone else, get a room!
@layituplikeaman Let me quote you ...."If Jimmer played more minutes his % would go down."
If he shot 5 3's in 36 minutes, that would actually be reducing his overall attempt rate per 36 minutes from what it is now. I agree that if his usage rate went up, as its already at 23 percent, that would probably lead to decreased efficiency. But if his minutes went up, and his usage went down, his efficiency could very well stay the same. He's playing efficient offense, except on the turnover side. If he could cut his turnover rate by 20 percent, man watch out. Then he'd merit more time as PG, right now he's really a combo.
3 weeks, 3 days ago on WATCH: Jimmer Fredette scores career-high 24 points in Madison Square Garden
@layituplikeaman There is no law of mathematics in basketball. There's a lot of statistics, there's a lot of game theory, but there's no law that says performance declines in minutes. If any thing, if we were to estimate such a parametric function (how percentages relate to minutes), it'd probably be quadratic and not linear, as you suggest. Rather than address any of the points I raised, you claim there's a law in mathematics. I'm pretty familiar with math, and I can assure no such law exists. I do agree if his usage rate went up a lot, we might see his performance decline (as happened with IT when he tried to shoulder all of the offensive burden with Cousins and Gay out), but minutes played...I suspect its non-linear, and every player has their own peak.
I agree to maximize performance and minimize the negatives of players, its about fit, and Jimmer fits in best with ball dominant SG or SF where he can add space, and punish teams for double teaming.
@layituplikeaman His per 36 attempts are down only 1 per 36 from his rookie year, and identical to last year. For Jimmer to shoot 200 attempts this year, he need to increase his attempts per 36 minutes to around 10 or 11, given he is only play 11 mpg. For comparison sake, Curry is attempt career high 3pt attempts per 36 and he's only at 8.
Forecasting this stuff is tough. You want to separate signal from noise. Two things are trending at the same time for Jimmer. His time has trended down, but his experience has trended up. Given he has more experience we might expect him to do better. Some players do better with less minutes, but some do better with more (especially when talking about only play 10 mpg). So your argument about his minutes and 3pt attempts while true factually, might be a spurious correlation, and the real causal thing increasing his percentage is his experience.
To counter your argument, Jimmer's usage rate has gone up since his rookie year. Usually an increase in usage leads to lower efficiency, but in Jimmer's case, his efficiency has gone up, shown by higher true shooting percentage and effcective FG percentage. The only thing Jimmer looks worse at is his free throw rate (the number of free throws he gets), but that's partially because he hasn't been in the game when other teams are in foul trouble, and also partially because he's taking more pull up jumpers coming off of screens and usually floaters rather than trying to finish at the rim.
Jimmer looks better and more composed, and is at his best taking open shots (from anywhere). I think we both want the same thing. Jimmer when your open, shoot the freaking ball!!!
3 weeks, 3 days ago on Sacramento Kings at All-Star Break Q&A: trade deadline, call-ups and Jimmer Fredette
@layituplikeaman IT actually passed the ball to Jimmer a lot last season when they came off the bench together and Brooks was starting. But this season, its a little tough to determine optimal usage with Cousins, Jimmer, Gay and IT on the floor because they all have true shooting percentages at around 57-60 percent. Pick the poison (for the other team).
@layituplikeaman By your logic, if he makes his next 3 he's up to 50 percent..
He looks better this year and than last year, and last year he shot 42 percent, so I bet this year he's a 45-50 percent shooter, which is where his average has been all season.
If he look more three's it would probably help the team, because from a game theory perspective if you shoot better from 3 than 2, you should shoot more 3's!!
@layituplikeaman To be clear, I think his currently play merits probably 18-20 mpg. To get more beyond that, he would need to continue to improve. So right now, I would guess he's in the needs more minutes to get better part.
3 weeks, 4 days ago on Sacramento Kings at All-Star Break Q&A: trade deadline, call-ups and Jimmer Fredette
@layituplikeaman I don't shooting percentage is linear in time played its probably quadratic. Meaning if you don't play enough minutes, you get have no routine. If you play a lot of minutes, you get tired and your going against starters. So I think there is a happy medium, if want to maximize his shooting percentage. Maximize points for the team might be a different calculus problem.
Regarding, potential, we like to forecast the future for these guys, but really, a lot of it is up to them and making the most of their opportunities and working hard. For many current all-stars, and past hall of famers, their career took off because someone else got injured and they stepped up. We might look at guys like Kobe and think they're more talented, but really they put in more work than anybody else in the offseason. If Jimmer wants more minutes, he has to keep working hard, and eventually he get more opportunities. If he can have more games like the last one, he'll get more opportunities. To be an all-star he would need 35 min a night, but he would also need to improve his handle, his ability to finish at the rim, and his passing. I don't think Jimmer has peaked yet, so its up to him to keep improving. Lets hope he does because that would be fun basketball to watch.
@layituplikeaman I agree on many dimensions. Keith Smart was willing to sacrifice long term development for short term wins (why else do you play Aaron Brooks over IT or Jimmer). Malone is invested in the future. He's not perfect, but he's a huge step up, and the culture is slowly changing.
That said, Popovich figures out how to use weapons. He's aided by the fact that many of his players have different skills which complement each other even if each player is flawed. In the case of the kings, the pieces are not are complementary, because for every player on the team they can be summed up as
1. Offensively good, defensively bad
2. Offensively inconsistent, defensively bad
Trading a few of the offensive players for defensive minded ones, would help a ton on both sides of the floor, because bad defense makes it harder to run your offense.
That said the last game I saw many plays which were being used to free Jimmer up, with off the ball screens. Also I love the play Landry caught the inbound pass, Jimmer used him as on off the ball screen and Landry passed it through to Jimmer who then had a wide open pull up jumper. Most players in the NBA don't routinely create their own shot, some elite players do, but most teams utilize ball movement, player movement and screens to create a defensive lapse in the rotation. I hope to see more plays where players give up their own shot to help another player get a wide up open shot down the road.
@Cowbb I think the team looked great. It was nice to see B-Mac, IT, and Gay find Jimmer for open 3's after he hit a couple in transition. It was also great to see Williams setting screens, and for other players setting screens for Jimmer when he was off the ball. Although Jimmer was going off, it was a total team effort.
I'd say in addition to improving his mid-range shots, Jimmer is catching and shooting A LOT better. Beforehand, it feel like catching and shooting that Jimmer would want to dribble the ball first, or he have the ball a big dip before shooting. He still dips, but his shot is looking more efficient, and he's doing a good job of bringing imperfect passes into his shooting motion in a more effortless manner.
3 weeks, 4 days ago on WATCH: Jimmer Fredette scores career-high 24 points in Madison Square Garden