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Here's OKC's top signing so far: Hope.
1) Hope that Lamb is a capable replacement of Marting and 6th man (even though he barely featured last season when he could have been nurtured for this season) ;
2) Hope that Reggie Jax+PJ3+Lamb can all together bring more than Martin (even though they were already there last season);
3) Hope that Steven Adams can contribute this season;
4) Hope that D-Fisher doesn't come back and that Brooks gain some sense;
5) Hope that Presti can work out some decent signing (and to think Dunleavy was there available for 3M) without surrendering important assets;
Thing is the Harden trade looks worse every time we stop to think about it and Ibaka didn't grow this season into that 3rd pivotal man we're hoping he would (at least in my opinion). With Durant as Westbrook locked for the future, I would seriously entertain offers for Ibaka to undo some of the damage caused by the Harden trade even if it would be at the expense of this season. Like many have said, the title window isn't there forever and it would be a shame if we were to take another step back.
8 months, 1 week ago on Kevin Martin walks, leaving a hole that needs filling
@dollarbillrussell @Turfright @Sergio Santos Agree, despite everything Brooks is still the major stumbling block.
8 months, 2 weeks ago on Thunder draft recap: Wait and see
@Turfright @Sergio Santos Agree, but trade who? Lamb has no value at the present, PJ3 even worse and Reggie Jackson would imply bringing a PG as well...
So basically, it's Lamb replacing Kevin Marting and Steven Adams in. Two questions stem from that: 1)Why would one Lamb to produce K-Mart-like numbers and 2) Will that be enough for OKC's aspirations?
@dollarbillrussell @Sergio Santos @Turfright @GREENE1148 @d21 True, of course they have to match...but the 'core' would be around that. Then, between expiring, exceptions or whatever....Anyway, we didn't do a draft-day trade. Let's see if we can snap up somebody in FA
@dollarbillrussell @Turfright @Sergio Santos @GREENE1148 @d21 Again...not in a straight-up trade.
@dollarbillrussell @Turfright @Sergio Santos @GREENE1148 @d21 You don't know how he'll develop. Nor do I. We only know he's projected to be a top defender. Ibaka, apart from the shot blocking skill is a bit overrated as defender. I don't say Noel will immediately be better than Ibaka. But Noel and another young player (I was thinking of TT of the Cavs) would give us cap relief and more options towards the future. And I say this because I didn't see Ibaka rising to the occasion this season I am sorry
@Turfright @GREENE1148 @Sergio Santos @d21 @dollarbillrussell Come on, rookies become the backbone of franchises (Durant, Westbrook, Harden and Ibaka...).A dollar for 4 quarters happened with the James Harden. At the moment OKC are salary handi-capped. Shall we wait to get rid of Perkins?
@GREENE1148 @Sergio Santos @d21 @dollarbillrussell Of course not. But isn't he projected to be a very good talent, especially in defense? So basically, you'd rather stick with the current roster?
@d21 @Sergio Santos @dollarbillrussell Something like Tristan Thompson + Noel? I would do that. A straight up trade? Wouldn't be enough.Also, Noel has good ceiling. 10 pts, 10 rebs, 4blks and 2stls as a center? Sounds good to me...
@dollarbillrussell The question is: you think we're ready to take on Miami or even a probably tougher Western Conference? I think Ibaka doesn't rise to the occasion in the games that really matter, but I understand the dilemma especially after last season's trade.
@dollarbillrussell @Sergio Santos It is a weak draft, but it doesn't mean they aren't good players. Just not at the #12. Seriously, does Adams lottery talent?IMO, if OKC want to get in a better position to win the NBA title (which is the organization goal at the moment), they had to be bolder. The only tradeable asset that could flip a top 5 talent would be Ibaka and honestly if OKC was offered Noel and Thompson I would take it immediately. Some cap relief and two good long-term players? Maybe at the expense of a short-term step back...but at least the ceiling would be higher and we all know post-season is the only thing that matter.Quick side note: like you mention Lamb is going to play but why wasn't he played last season? Would have made sense for both player development purposes and for eventual trading purposes. Didn't get it, but it seems now everybody's resting their hopes on him...
Personally, OKC draft disappointed me. Maybe last year's trade still haunt Presti, we don't know. But we know a couple of things:
1) Center is a need and Steven Adams is a project. He's said to be completely raw at the beginning of the season with Pitt and though he improved a lot and he's big....well, he's a project and he won't replace Perkins straight away.
2) Considering how Noel was traded to Phily (or how the Cavs picked Bennet) the Thunder could have showed some courage and try to pull a similar deal with Ibaka as major trade chip (#1 + Tristan Thompson for Ibaka, Kings pick + their pick for 2014 for Ibaka...)I mean, even the top 5-10 teams weren't very excited about this draft and were looking at potential trades. OKC are in a position where they're very good but still missing one or two pieces. Is Ibaka irreplaceable? No, he isn't and looking to the future I think he hinders more than he helps considering that Westbrook and Durant will never be touched.So now the only option is to cross fingers and hope J-Lamb, PJ3 and Adams can become studs during the regular season....that is if Brooks every play them.
@Lasch @Sergio Santos I just think since Cavs are shopping #1 (Love, Aldridge) and since OKC want to trade up, it would make sense to have something like thatWould you rather have Ibaka than Thompson + Noel/Len (along with the future cap relief)?
8 months, 2 weeks ago on The Daily Thunder Big Board: Taking stock
Cleveland offered #1 pick, Tristan Thompson and Waiters for Kevin Love? What about #1 pick and Thompson for Ibaka? Would you take it?
@[coke head] @Sergio Santos Not if you can add Wiggins/Parker. Still, they can still get a top pick next year if they pick Noel as he'll only be ready around Christmas/January.
But with an OKC offer around Lamb (their need at SG and three picks (12th is a good pick and next year's draft will be very deep), they would get a lot of cheap, young and talented guys on their roster.This strategy obviously assumes some tanking (and perhaps shipping Varejao too this year)...
8 months, 2 weeks ago on Report: Thunder are being ‘proactive’ to get No. 1 pick
@TempBoy Brandon I would do that if I was Cleveland if only for one reason: tank for Wiggins/Parker :) They have a good young core (Irving, Waiters, Thompson) and adding Wiggins and future Picks + Lamb would only help them....
Hmmm, though the James Harden might come back to haunt the Thunder every now and then it is good to know the franchise still have some options. I would like to see one of these 2:
1) Let Kevin Martin walk and sign JJ Redick in the 6-7M range. Redick provides more assists and is one year younger, so he might be a better fit though Martin MAY be willing to stay on the cheap. Trade UP (assemble picks and PJ3) for 8th pick or something around that to guarantee one of Alex Len/Cody Zeller. A big with some upside and that can provide immediate threat in the paint. Plumlee may be Aldrich 2.0 and Adams/Gobert may be too raw.
2) Let Kevin Martin and give the SG keys to no other than Jeremy Lamb (OKC are going to the postseason either way so why not just develop the player by...actually playing him. Package Perk, picks and maybe PJ3 to get DeMarcus Cousins. Yes, Cousins can be a nutcase, but he's just 22 and in an organization that could hardly be any more chaotic. Cousins has all the tools to become a great center and under the leadership of Durant and Westbrook I don't see why he wouldn't be able to flourish.
9 months, 2 weeks ago on What should the Thunder do with the 12th pick?
@areayewhy @Sergio Santos @DXL Would be nice as next year's draft will be loaded but Dallas are expect to attack the market with the "Bank of Cuban".
9 months, 3 weeks ago on OKC’s season ends early as Memphis moves on, 88-84
@DXL PJ3 and Lamb were barely used and yet they are comparing them to Paul George and Durant. What's next? Hasheem the Dream has Hakeem the Dream upside?
Yes, Brooks is not responsible for a 5-21 shooting from Durant. He's responsible though for hopping on Derek Fisher's dick and giving him 20-30 minutes.
Overlooking PJ3 and Lamb may have cost OKC some rookie development and trade leverage. The 10-12 draft pick of this year will be one of Alex Len or Mason Plumlee likely and next year's Dallas pick isn't supposed to be that good.
Yeah, OKC's future is not bad at all, but this year could have set up the future much better. Kevin Martin is likely gone (is he going to say for 5M?), so who knows who will carry the 2nd team.
As for Brooks, he didn't prove he was capable to adjust. It's one thing to have Westbrook, Durant, Harden and Ibaka at your disposal and really on their talents alone, but having lost Harden and Westbrook this playoffs, OKC just seemed a team without ideas.
One last thing. Maybe it's just me reading too much into KD's words, but if the only thing he learnt from being without Westbrook was that the team missed him, then I must say I am disappointed. Westbrook more and more seems to be the leader of OKC and KD seems to be fine with that. I wish he had more Kobe-like heart, but he seems to be ok with how it is.
Curious to see what happens next year...