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Here's OKC's top signing so far: Hope.
1) Hope that Lamb is a capable replacement of Marting and 6th man (even though he barely featured last season when he could have been nurtured for this season) ;
2) Hope that Reggie Jax+PJ3+Lamb can all together bring more than Martin (even though they were already there last season);
3) Hope that Steven Adams can contribute this season;
4) Hope that D-Fisher doesn't come back and that Brooks gain some sense;
5) Hope that Presti can work out some decent signing (and to think Dunleavy was there available for 3M) without surrendering important assets;
Thing is the Harden trade looks worse every time we stop to think about it and Ibaka didn't grow this season into that 3rd pivotal man we're hoping he would (at least in my opinion). With Durant as Westbrook locked for the future, I would seriously entertain offers for Ibaka to undo some of the damage caused by the Harden trade even if it would be at the expense of this season. Like many have said, the title window isn't there forever and it would be a shame if we were to take another step back.
1 year, 9 months ago on Kevin Martin walks, leaving a hole that needs filling
@dollarbillrussell @Turfright @Sergio Santos Agree, despite everything Brooks is still the major stumbling block.
1 year, 9 months ago on Thunder draft recap: Wait and see
@Turfright @Sergio Santos Agree, but trade who? Lamb has no value at the present, PJ3 even worse and Reggie Jackson would imply bringing a PG as well...
So basically, it's Lamb replacing Kevin Marting and Steven Adams in. Two questions stem from that: 1)Why would one Lamb to produce K-Mart-like numbers and 2) Will that be enough for OKC's aspirations?
@dollarbillrussell @Sergio Santos @Turfright @GREENE1148 @d21 True, of course they have to match...but the 'core' would be around that. Then, between expiring, exceptions or whatever....Anyway, we didn't do a draft-day trade. Let's see if we can snap up somebody in FA
@dollarbillrussell @Turfright @Sergio Santos @GREENE1148 @d21 Again...not in a straight-up trade.
@dollarbillrussell @Turfright @Sergio Santos @GREENE1148 @d21 You don't know how he'll develop. Nor do I. We only know he's projected to be a top defender. Ibaka, apart from the shot blocking skill is a bit overrated as defender. I don't say Noel will immediately be better than Ibaka. But Noel and another young player (I was thinking of TT of the Cavs) would give us cap relief and more options towards the future. And I say this because I didn't see Ibaka rising to the occasion this season I am sorry
@Turfright @GREENE1148 @Sergio Santos @d21 @dollarbillrussell Come on, rookies become the backbone of franchises (Durant, Westbrook, Harden and Ibaka...).A dollar for 4 quarters happened with the James Harden. At the moment OKC are salary handi-capped. Shall we wait to get rid of Perkins?
@GREENE1148 @Sergio Santos @d21 @dollarbillrussell Of course not. But isn't he projected to be a very good talent, especially in defense? So basically, you'd rather stick with the current roster?
@d21 @Sergio Santos @dollarbillrussell Something like Tristan Thompson + Noel? I would do that. A straight up trade? Wouldn't be enough.Also, Noel has good ceiling. 10 pts, 10 rebs, 4blks and 2stls as a center? Sounds good to me...
@dollarbillrussell The question is: you think we're ready to take on Miami or even a probably tougher Western Conference? I think Ibaka doesn't rise to the occasion in the games that really matter, but I understand the dilemma especially after last season's trade.
@dollarbillrussell @Sergio Santos It is a weak draft, but it doesn't mean they aren't good players. Just not at the #12. Seriously, does Adams lottery talent?IMO, if OKC want to get in a better position to win the NBA title (which is the organization goal at the moment), they had to be bolder. The only tradeable asset that could flip a top 5 talent would be Ibaka and honestly if OKC was offered Noel and Thompson I would take it immediately. Some cap relief and two good long-term players? Maybe at the expense of a short-term step back...but at least the ceiling would be higher and we all know post-season is the only thing that matter.Quick side note: like you mention Lamb is going to play but why wasn't he played last season? Would have made sense for both player development purposes and for eventual trading purposes. Didn't get it, but it seems now everybody's resting their hopes on him...
Personally, OKC draft disappointed me. Maybe last year's trade still haunt Presti, we don't know. But we know a couple of things:
1) Center is a need and Steven Adams is a project. He's said to be completely raw at the beginning of the season with Pitt and though he improved a lot and he's big....well, he's a project and he won't replace Perkins straight away.
2) Considering how Noel was traded to Phily (or how the Cavs picked Bennet) the Thunder could have showed some courage and try to pull a similar deal with Ibaka as major trade chip (#1 + Tristan Thompson for Ibaka, Kings pick + their pick for 2014 for Ibaka...)I mean, even the top 5-10 teams weren't very excited about this draft and were looking at potential trades. OKC are in a position where they're very good but still missing one or two pieces. Is Ibaka irreplaceable? No, he isn't and looking to the future I think he hinders more than he helps considering that Westbrook and Durant will never be touched.So now the only option is to cross fingers and hope J-Lamb, PJ3 and Adams can become studs during the regular season....that is if Brooks every play them.
@Lasch @Sergio Santos I just think since Cavs are shopping #1 (Love, Aldridge) and since OKC want to trade up, it would make sense to have something like thatWould you rather have Ibaka than Thompson + Noel/Len (along with the future cap relief)?
1 year, 9 months ago on The Daily Thunder Big Board: Taking stock
Cleveland offered #1 pick, Tristan Thompson and Waiters for Kevin Love? What about #1 pick and Thompson for Ibaka? Would you take it?
@[coke head] @Sergio Santos Not if you can add Wiggins/Parker. Still, they can still get a top pick next year if they pick Noel as he'll only be ready around Christmas/January.
But with an OKC offer around Lamb (their need at SG and three picks (12th is a good pick and next year's draft will be very deep), they would get a lot of cheap, young and talented guys on their roster.This strategy obviously assumes some tanking (and perhaps shipping Varejao too this year)...
1 year, 10 months ago on Report: Thunder are being ‘proactive’ to get No. 1 pick
@TempBoy Brandon I would do that if I was Cleveland if only for one reason: tank for Wiggins/Parker :) They have a good young core (Irving, Waiters, Thompson) and adding Wiggins and future Picks + Lamb would only help them....
Hmmm, though the James Harden might come back to haunt the Thunder every now and then it is good to know the franchise still have some options. I would like to see one of these 2:
1) Let Kevin Martin walk and sign JJ Redick in the 6-7M range. Redick provides more assists and is one year younger, so he might be a better fit though Martin MAY be willing to stay on the cheap. Trade UP (assemble picks and PJ3) for 8th pick or something around that to guarantee one of Alex Len/Cody Zeller. A big with some upside and that can provide immediate threat in the paint. Plumlee may be Aldrich 2.0 and Adams/Gobert may be too raw.
2) Let Kevin Martin and give the SG keys to no other than Jeremy Lamb (OKC are going to the postseason either way so why not just develop the player by...actually playing him. Package Perk, picks and maybe PJ3 to get DeMarcus Cousins. Yes, Cousins can be a nutcase, but he's just 22 and in an organization that could hardly be any more chaotic. Cousins has all the tools to become a great center and under the leadership of Durant and Westbrook I don't see why he wouldn't be able to flourish.
1 year, 11 months ago on What should the Thunder do with the 12th pick?
@areayewhy @Sergio Santos @DXL Would be nice as next year's draft will be loaded but Dallas are expect to attack the market with the "Bank of Cuban".
1 year, 11 months ago on OKC’s season ends early as Memphis moves on, 88-84
@DXL PJ3 and Lamb were barely used and yet they are comparing them to Paul George and Durant. What's next? Hasheem the Dream has Hakeem the Dream upside?
Yes, Brooks is not responsible for a 5-21 shooting from Durant. He's responsible though for hopping on Derek Fisher's dick and giving him 20-30 minutes.
Overlooking PJ3 and Lamb may have cost OKC some rookie development and trade leverage. The 10-12 draft pick of this year will be one of Alex Len or Mason Plumlee likely and next year's Dallas pick isn't supposed to be that good.
Yeah, OKC's future is not bad at all, but this year could have set up the future much better. Kevin Martin is likely gone (is he going to say for 5M?), so who knows who will carry the 2nd team.
As for Brooks, he didn't prove he was capable to adjust. It's one thing to have Westbrook, Durant, Harden and Ibaka at your disposal and really on their talents alone, but having lost Harden and Westbrook this playoffs, OKC just seemed a team without ideas.
One last thing. Maybe it's just me reading too much into KD's words, but if the only thing he learnt from being without Westbrook was that the team missed him, then I must say I am disappointed. Westbrook more and more seems to be the leader of OKC and KD seems to be fine with that. I wish he had more Kobe-like heart, but he seems to be ok with how it is.
Curious to see what happens next year...
- "The Grizzlies truly are ridiculously tough. That’s one mean bunch."
Almost everybody is looking tough now, especially with this lacklustre OKC side. Grizzlies, Nuggets, Clippers....whichever OKC gets in the second round has a great chance of knocking OKC out.
Where's the joy? The grit? The will to overcome last season's woes? Something must be very wrong in the lockerroom for such inconsistent play to be consistently happening.
- "There’s just something about Westbrook and the Grizzlies that makes him lose his mind."
There's just something about Westbrook period. It's against the Grizzlies, the Nuggets, against Thabo and against the media. You simply cannot rely on him to keep his cool on or off the court. As good as he is as a player and an athlete, he simply shoots too much and prevents the ball from going to arguably the best shooter in the game, Kevin Durant.
And one thing that annoys me deeply is that he can get away with all this, because nobody in the organization - whether it is KD or Brooks - can tell him to hush.
Would I have preferred to stay with Harden and get an assist-first-and-second point guard? Yes, especially considering what one could get for Westbrook. Imagine Jrue Holiday + James Harden right now...oh the possibilities.
- Derek Fisher
Oh boy, what was the rationale behind bringing him? Oh, right, the "ring" experience. And how will a 38 year-old way-past-his-prime, no D, point guard help? Exactly, he won't. He won't help on the count and considering his lack of professionalism at Dallas, he won't help at that much of the court either. Having him at shooting guard instead of Lamb, Liggins or even Martin (with Ronnie Brewer going at 3) it is puzzling to say the least. Way to go Brooks.
- Toronto pick
I hope that 10th or 11th pick proves to be quite good and gives Presti ammunition to put a better team under a better coach (SvG anybody?). Brooks did well to take the team here, but it will take some more to take this team over the top. Kevin Martin is unlikely to stay (will he really go from 12M to 5M?), Lamb doesn't seem nowhere near ready to replace him as he has not been given minutes, PJ3 seems a non-factor. Oh, and there's still the "Perk is useless and we should amnesty him or get someone to eat his minutes". Maybe the TOR pick? Maybe...if Presti plays it well.
2 years, 1 month ago on Thunder let one slip in Memphis, 90-89 (OT)
This team needs a meaner edge.....and a coach that ditches Derek Fisher, puts Westbrook in place when needed and actually nurtures the supposedly talented rookies...
2 years, 1 month ago on Nuggets outgun the Thunder, 114-104
The Derek Fisher/J-Lamb thing is really annoying.
How does the organization intends to move forward when it is giving a 38 year-old, way-past-his-prime, no-D point guard an average of 15 minutes?
Where's Jeremy Lamb? Where's PJ3? Where's Ronnie Brewer, the defensive body to throw at the Heat?
OKC are not a rebuilding team, but the Harden trade was also done with the future in mind.There's absolutely no reason why Jeremy Lamb - whether to be used later as a trade asset OR to be part of the actual rotation - shouldn't get more minutes. What's the worst that could have happened? The Thunder don't win as many games, but the rookies actually develop their game ? Sorry but I just don't see how keeping Lamb and Jones in the D-League forever will help both the players and the team in the long-haul.
And, important question, what's the plan for next season? Ibaka's extension will kick in thus affecting any potential move OKC may have in mind. Unless Kevin Martin won't mind getting the MLE (which would represent a 7M decrease in his paycheck, there's no way we'll be able to afford him.
IF we lose Martin, who can we get? The TOR draft pick maybe or...Jeremy Lamb had he been nurtured to play the next season. Of course ideally, we'd get the pick to get a center that can take minutes from Perkins and add something to the team. Considering the current state of affairs, not sure that'll happen.
I know, getting on a mini-rant here, but would like to see OKC getting into a better position to win a ring. Whether now or next season.
2 years, 1 month ago on KD and the Thunder bounce back and wax the Jazz, 110-87
@Cold-Blooded @Sergio @Sergio @KD4theWin Hmmm...considering the red flags regarding his knees and motor and considering the fact he hasn't been used a lot.....I doubt it
2 years, 2 months ago on Deadline thoughts, and five potential targets
@Cold-Blooded @Sergio @KD4theWin Because he's been very important?
@KD4theWin Doesn't mean the trade is all but set.
Lamb + TOR pick seem quite a bit...would prefer Maynor + TOR pick.
A guy that could be useful would be DeJuan Blair. Dallas pick? Dallas pick + PJ3?
@PNT Or 3rd option: he's willing to roll the dice and see whether K-Mart can take OKC to a title and invest in Lamb next season WHILE trusting Perkins...
2 years, 2 months ago on Reports: Thunder shopping Eric Maynor
@OBoy @D-MC @PNT http://www.hoopsworld.com/oklahoma-city-thunder-team-salary/ I mean...
@OBoy @D-MC @PNT http://www.hoopsworld.com/oklahoma-city-thunder-team-salary/Considering the current picture, it doesn't seem like we can offer much to K-Mart. And quite honestly, we shouldn't. We should invest in Lamb and PJ3 as they are talented youngsters on a rookie-scale contract.
@D-MC @OBoy @PNT Money that we won't have once Ibaka's extension kicks in? Of course he wants to stay here. He's playing for a contender! But it doesn't mean he's going to play for the mid-level extension now is he?
@D-MC @OBoy @PNT How exactly are we going to pay for K-Mart's salary?
@PNT Actually it is quite simple...K-Mart won't resign so better trade him now (risky) in a super deal....or let him go at the end of the season and invest in Lamb there. I didn't say to play Lamb now, now have I?
As for Reggie, we can play for Maynor now without us losing much so...
@OBoy Utah would be less likely to take Perkins granted...in their case we'd have to move someone to make salaries work....K-Mart?
KG , Milsap/Jefferson or Gortat could all be acquired via a package of Perkins + Maynor + TOR pick (maybe PJ3 in the mix as well if necessary)Makes sense for teams involved...time to focus on Jeremy Lamb and Reggie. No point in stucking in rebuild mode as the Thunder are and will be contenders for the near future.Other teams can go /continue their rebuild mode with Maynor's expiring and a good first-round pick.
Do it Presti....
I don't think we should keep Perkins....his time is due. The "leadership" role now belongs to Durant (and Westbrook to a certain extent). Furthermore, with Ibaka's extension kicking in next season, no way his 8M are justified.
Still, if we shed BOTH Kevin Martin's and Perkins' salaries, we have a total of $62M which is still over the cap (http://www.hoopsworld.com/oklahoma-city-thunder-team-salary/)
However, we own Jeremy Lamb, Toronto pick and Eric Maynor.
Reggie Jackson might as well be our future backup PG so Maynor's 3.3M can in theory put us under the cap (we won't get a lot in return but then again...that's not the main concern).
Lamb can replace K-Mart, but I am concerned of his lack of minutes so far. Had he been given as many minutes as Harrison Barnes in GSW he'd reach the post-season in much better position to help the team NOW and in the future.
The Toronto pick can be a SG/SF or a C depending on how good it is and whoever is available.
How I see it? If there's a good enough C available (Andre Drummond-like), take him and put him on the team; after all, wouldn't you rather see Drummond instead of Perkins on your team? Then the available money can be thrown at an experienced SG/SF.
If we pick another position, then trade it (with either Lamb/Jones) for an upgrade at SG/SF and thrown the money at an experienced C ( JJ Hickson level for instance)?Options are available, but as far as I see, Lamb should play more to give OKC more flexibility.
2 years, 3 months ago on Kevin Martin and the unfriendly road
@Keith00 @PerkPunt @f5alcon I see, thanks for the info.
Curious to see what Presti will do. He has K-Mart, Lamb, Perkins and the TOR pick to think about....
@PerkPunt @Keith00 @f5alcon Just to be sure...
The tax level for the 2012-13 season has been set at $70.307 million. According to http://www.hoopsworld.com/oklahoma-city-thunder-team-salary/, next year the Thunder (not counting with K-Mart) have a payroll of $64M. If Perkin's salary is shed, we gain another 8M. K-Mart can be signed and traded, we can use the TOR pick for a promising SG or C and sign a good, experienced FA. No?
That's not good...
@Keith00 @f5alcon @Lost Ones OK, what about JJ Hickson (Portland are trying to go for Pekovic as well)...?
@f5alcon Let's say in theory we offer him 10M for 3 years. (thus saving 2M per year):Could we have a shot at Pekovic (assuming 12M) by shedding Perkins' and Maynor's salaries?
@f5alcon @Lost Ones Serious question though....could we get Pek via free agency?Shed Perkin's salary, Eric Maynor and depending on how much K-Mart (or replacement) would cost we have our 12M figure... (which is what is rumoured to cost...)
@Lost Ones @dailythunder My friend, if you really want to involve the Wolves....http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=b4x9qlc Add the Toronto pick....
How much will resigning K-Mart cost?
@FF_pickups @MJOKC I don't think he'll even need that. Amnesty Perk and you get 7.8....then: 1) do we need Eric Maynor as backup PG? 2) will KMart cost the same 12 that he is costing at the moment?
2 years, 3 months ago on Thunder bounce back and whack the Wolves, 106-84
@FF_pickups @MJOKC If he hits free agency how much could we possibly offer them?
@okcjim Shed Perk's salary and Maynor's salary and you may just have your 12 or close to it
So, most of my posts here have been about OKC's pursuit of a quality centre that could propel them to the title.
I was (and am) a proponent of a DeMarcus Cousins trade and even a Varejao trade (before the injury), but after reading that Pekovic will hit the market and that the Blazers are going after him, I wonder.
If the price mooted - 12M a year - is accurate, couldn't we simply amnesty Perkins to get Pekovic?
Or a potential Derrick Williams + Pekovic for Perkins + Toronto pick (and maybe Lamb/Jones)?
@justin_mia Drummond is not being used that much in DET despite his good numbers when playing. Trading Drummond for the TOR pick straight up might be an intriguing deal for both.
Hickson...they may not want to help us, but to become better they may need to get another good pick and develop Meyers Leonard.
2 years, 3 months ago on Saturday Morning Cartoons: Rookie Russ
@justin_mia We don't have only Cousins as options. There's Varejao, Hickson and maybe, maybe...Drummond and McGee.
Wouldn't they all be good options? And it's not like we have ONLY the TOR pick to use. There's the Dallas pick and Lamb (PJ3 doesn't look like an asset as of now...)
@El Prez So...why wouldn't you want him out?