Rob W
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Single (divorced) gay Christian dad of two.
@Lover of truth @DavidStevens @Katy Bug "Lover of truth"... hi. Your post here is ridiculous and a complete work of fiction. In Biblical terms, it is "False witness", a sin by Old Testament standards. Your behavior is "bad fruit" by Christ standards and demonstrative of a "false messiah". If you were here for an honest discussion, I would ask you where in the Bible that it states that it is the final authority. The answer is...that it does not. It in fact points to somewhere entirely different as the source of God's Law for those who believe in Christ... yet here you are claiming authority and trying to guide people to a book. In the Bible, the Word is not a book, it is Christ.
The Pharasees of the Bible behaved just as David Stevens has accurately described you as acting. Christ's entire ministry is a complete 180 degrees from the arrogance and self righteousness that you treat people here to. Try emulating the Beatitudes...those are in the Bible..
The worst thing about your posts is not that you have completely misrepresented everything the Bible stands for , it is that you have completely trashed all Christ principles and instead set yourself up as a fake-Christ voice. You are driving people from Him in His Name rather than attracting them.
That is, in my opinion, atrocious.
@EdwardPettinger @Ono @kathleen z @timqz1 This link is not a hypothesis with scientific tests as it claims to be. It is a word play only... this would read exactly the same with the same conclusion if "Intelligent Design" was replaced with the word "Magic" and the words "Intelligent Designer" was exchanged with the word "Magician". All of the things credited to "Intelligent Design" cannot be concluded or proved to be by ID anymore than they could be concluded or proved by magic.
@EdwardPettinger @Ono @kathleen z @timqz1 Unfortunately claiming not to believe in evolution, but then discussing genetics and DNA is like saying that you don't believe in Santa Claus but hold strong information on the dynamics of reindeer flying and elfen toy construction. "Intelligent Design" is not a theory, it is a non-theory. It has no science behind it at all, no experiments, no peer review. Here is an excellent presentation in which the two concepts were put on trial. I have to admit, before watching this, I too thought "Intelligent Design" held some merit... I learned a lot from watching this ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hTZ5AYzs8o
OK... I have to admit...I had to read the nipple and pooping parts....fast..... (I am such a light-weight...I admit it)... You are right on Dan about the Scouts. I grew up looking at them as the defacto standard...and now to think they are a group that would not allow either you or me to be Scout leaders. That makes me feel sicker than ....well, gushing blood... (oh..was that the point??)
@Abby . Maybe, you could turn the informing others about themselves over to God and let Him do it. As you stated , "I do think that we as Christians should choose our battles, because we aren't strong enough to fight all of them" and I am thinking, from my limited perspective, that possibly informing people of their likelihood for Hell is not your call to make, or your calling. Again, I am not God, nor in charge of you, but I might send you out to actually help that homeless guy instead so you can cross that off your sin list.
I offer that only because you asked for help and wanted feedback. I am sure God has better specifics for you...
@DoctorSunshine @Ono ACTUALLY, Dr. Sunshine, Ono' s interpretation is closer to Scripture's than yours, if that is what you are implying. Scripture's comments would be more in line with determining who was sinning and who was not, and looking at others' wrongdoing rather than our own. Your "intelligent beings" judgements are non sequiters to the criteria and are really not the subject. Also irrelevant are who you let into your heart... the Bible does not weigh in on that in terms of judgement, although, Jesus's second commandment gives some specific guidelines-- and although you might not find it fair, the Bible does not really give "choice" in loving one's neighbor as one's self... it is pretty demanding that you just...do it.
I sincerely hope the good Doctor starts taking his or her own medicine... becomes self-honest and starts looking up quotes. Romans 2 would be a good place to start.
I wanted to share this with you... there have been public pronouncements recently that have been in line with "I'm a Christian, Unless You are Gay" thinking. As I took my family to Disneyland, and the joy there, all I could think of was "do they ever get out of their dogma enough to see this?" Anyway... here are my thoughts on it: http://evolequals.com/2013/01/03/the-ten-things-i-wish-the-pope-could-have-observed-on-my-familys-trip-to-disneyland/
Wow. Great handling of that... you walked the tight rope perfectly. It is really interesting how already conditioned Noah was at 5. My sons were raised with two dads, and they have never given the idea a second thought. They see opposite sex couples, or same sex couples and it does not occur to them that either would be unusual.
It is good you walked through that. More freedom to move forward with your life as yourself.
Hi Dan, Great post. I am blessed by NOT living in an environment where the oppression is so severe. I am grateful for that. Here, in Santa Cruz, California, I have dozens of "Anything but Straight" friends, and all are 100% out. That is not to say that even in this environment, there is not prejudice. There is. And in such environments those who are out can be in danger of real physical violence.
For me, I not only use my status on FB (I would cut and paste, but I would blow your servers), and blog on Huffington Post and evolequals.com. I live and speak out broadly because I can, I am not afraid to, and I am painfully aware there are millions who cannot and desperately need for us to speak for them, and TO them.
They are reading now, and they need to know... they are not alone. It can get better... and those of us who are out here on display love them very much and value them.
@ElizabethBedell Hi Elizabeth, I really appreciate your willingness to dialogue on your thoughts. I think the other posts responding to you have made great points, so I will try not to be redundant. I don't think you realize that your seemingly small statements of "belief" are actually big bombshells against other people. You stated, "Do I agree with the lifestyle? No." That statement alone carries an enormous cache of disrespect. You have reduced the sum total of someone else to a "lifestyle". You say you do not "agree" with their sexuality. Their sexuality is not an opinion, it is their innate drive and deeply ingrained into what makes them happy in life. Your seemingly small statements say that you do not respect them to understand themselves, that you find disgust in their most dear and cherished feelings, and while you would stand at their wedding , you would not hope for them the success, happiness and support you would if one of them had different genitalia
Can you not see the harshness in that? One very telling comment you made is that in your world "it feels like being straight is a sin". Why would that be? No gay person on earth is asking you to love anyone but whom you do love, pursue any dream but the dreams you have for yourself, and to live as fully as you wish. Why would you NOT wishing the same for them somehow infringe on your own sexuality?
No gay person thinks you are sinning for being straight. We think you sin by not offering us the same life respect that you want for yourself.
Very good Dan. I wrote my dilemma for Christmas here: http://evolequals.com/2012/12/07/a-gay-dad-dilemmahow-do-i-out-santa-claus-to-my-kids/ .... worrying about outing Santa Claus to my kids. Now you have given me more to think about...
Much love Dan. We need a world where people who grapple with the answers to their sexuality do not go to a dark place. Here is my account of my own... at a much younger age than yours... http://evolequals.com/2012/09/09/a-gay-dad-remembers-my-journey-through-the-dark-shadows/
"When did you decide this?" Yes. The crazy-making response. Big hug. Give him time... but you keep on being awesome...you have never been moreso.
FYI... my article to/about Dan hit Huffington Post tonight. Big hug, Dan... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rob-watson/my-open-letter-to-a-single-dad-who-just-came-out-as-bi_b_2200448.html?utm_hp_ref=gay-voices
My story to/about Dan is on Huffington Post tonight.... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rob-watson/my-open-letter-to-a-single-dad-who-just-came-out-as-bi_b_2200448.html?utm_hp_ref=gay-voices
Hi Dan... Lots of love. And you are right... there are many who come out and do not get the outpouring of ;love that you have... those of us who do love are the ones that need to step up and be their new family.
In the meantime.... you are now on Huffington Post in the article about/to you... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rob-watson/my-open-letter-to-a-single-dad-who-just-came-out-as-bi_b_2200448.html?utm_hp_ref=gay-voices
Hope you like it....
@NCSTATEFAN7 I cannot find your comment in the thread, so apologies for starting another thread here... you said "hebrews 8 is a beautiful chapter. and that is something god has really been revealing to me over the past few weeks, and ultimately, tonight. struggles of some are not struggles of many, and struggles of many are not struggles of some. .. hebrews 8 does not give man the license to do as he pleases, he can not murder in cold blood and say he is not wrong in that. the law is written on our hearts. "
There is nothing about Hebrews 8 which dictates that man's law needs to trust the covenant as it is put on the heart. So, you are right... the murderer would be locked up. There is a difference however, between protecting society and acting as God. Whether he was acting on God, or his own evil, is an internal matter. If the "victim" was an assasin/terrorist about to kill hundreds, maybe the "murderer" was a hero. The point is, that the action and potential "sin" is between that individual and God. If they are not operating from the covenant , but their own selfishness..then the sin is on them, and between them and God.
I would feel sin if I murdered...that is what my heart tells me (no matter what I would tell the cops!). My heart does not tell me that my sexual orientation is a sin when it is used to express love to the man I want to spend my entire life with. It especially does not tell me that when I do not see anyone else's orientation being considered a sin when they behave, think, feel the same way towards their life-love and it is honored and revered. Jesus spells out equality in His second commandment. I really don't think that was an accident.
Kudos to you and big hug on your good works. I pray that your light shines there and that you work has incredible success and effectiveness. The people affected need your love and actions, and you are, I am sure, making a difference.
@NCSTATEFAN7 @Ono @DavidStevens @Snooterpoot Hi NCState,,, I think it is beautiful that you are working to alleviate the pain of others. I do extensive work on bullying, and other persecutions too. I don't think we have to make those a competition... just spread love and healing.
I am not clear on some of your references earlier, you seem to be judging someone in a non specific way, but then walked it back (and no worries)... I personally am guided by Hebrews 8 which allows people to hear God's law in their heart and mind as part of the new covenant, and to respect them to determine what in their own experience is their sin, or missing the mark with God.
I have come to the conclusion that we respectfully call other people "Christians" too easily. When they come here on forums such as this, and declare themselves to be such... I am no longer going to accept that on face value. I think it should be earned... like "artistic".
Wrote about it tonight here... http://evolequals.com/2012/11/27/take-back-the-word-christian-its-time/
Dan... here is our open letter to you around your news today: http://evolequals.com/2012/11/27/a-special-friend-comes-out-an-open-letter-to-dan-pearce-a-single-bi-dad-laughing/