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floyd needs canelo to go beyond 1 million... and yes, ""I don't trust Golden Boy/Mayweather on anything." :)
floyd and canelo won't happen yet, not primarily because he poses a threat, but because of egos. mayweather will never allow himself to be pressured by anyone or anything. not by showtime, not by gbp, not by the fans and especially not by this "unproven, young upstart." alvarez, on the other hand,will feel he deserves more than what will be offered to him.
but after some time, when floyd has shown the world that he cannot be forced into anything, he may finally fight canelo. after all, it is biggest fight for him next to pacquiao (until now, i believe), but without the risks.
not to take anything away from estrada coz he definitley deserved the win but... the guy is dirty. in one of the late rounds, i think he low-blowed villoria AT LEAST 5 times in 1 round. he probably hit brian down under more than 15 times the whole fight. and what's with the ref not seeing most of them? i've said it before and i'll say it again: a boxing ref has the easiest job in the world. make a grievous error and it would't really matter :) still, congrats to estrada. great win!
i like pac-rios, jmm-bradley and alvarez-prov. manny is still the most watched fighter in this bunch and his bout should still take priority. the other match-ups should only follow his lead. pac-rios would be the most exciting and most popular match-up between the 6 fighters. it also has the most at stake. both are coming from losses and are hungry to redeem themselves. plus they have history (sort of, with the marg fight) and rios' trash talking will make it more fun. a victory for pac over rios would only be surpassed by a victory over jmm. manny winning over tim is "nothing new" while winning over his sparring partner is to be expected. a win over alvarez would be ok but he's not as popular as rios. and manny would probably not look as good against him than against rios should he win. rios, on the other hand, if he wins over pac, would not only be back on the winning track, but also sky-rocket in popularity. he would've beaten a legend. can't say the same if alvarez was pitted against pac and won.
other than his terrific 2010, martinez hasn't really done anything exceptional. barker, macklin and chavez? none are top notch competition. and he kissed the canvass in two of those fights and got bloodied in the other. donaire has a much better resume (and year) at this point.
it's great to see someone acknowledging villoria but my biases aside, i think he' still # 12 or 13. at best 11. bradley should still be in the top 10.
HAPPY NEW YEAR! to all boxing fans!
i agree that roty should be judged independent of other rounds. so martinez-chavez rd 12 should not be considered
funny how we always see action stars in the movies get knocked out cold yet we never say "hey, this guy should rest a few months before fighting again." if van damme can fight a few minutes after waking up from a ko maybe manny can do it too lol
ROIDS! just kidding! props to jmm for a great fight. he really does have pac's number. manny has always just won (or competed) against marquez with pure athleticism. but after this KO i don't think pac can do or change anything anymore to beat jmm if they fight a 5th time. i don't think manny's washed up but jmm just knows him too much for him to deliver a decisive win. if pac isn't psychologically affected by the KO i think he can still beat guys like bradley, rios or other top fighters. maybe even floyd. jmm has a different counter-punching style with floyd. jmm is brave enough to take pac's punch so he could counter. that's how he caught manny. floyd doesn't take that much risk. but of course, floyd will still be a huge favorite. don't think that fight will ever happen now though. jmm is like the terminator. no matter how many times you knock him down, he just keeps getting up.
i said it before, i'll say it again: cotto isn't impressive at '54. he's sluggish, lacks snap in his punches and fades often in the end. i've never been sold with his wins at super welter. an ordinary foreman was in the fight til he got injured. mayorga was shot and cheato had already been damaged by pacquiao. and cotto was fading fast in that fight. he also faded in the floyd fight which was probably his best performance at the weight. against trout, he was slow and kept missing. his punches just didn't have crunching power like when he was at 147. he picked it up in the middle rounds and moved like he used to for a while but again started to fade in the end. i think he's been done at the elite level for awhile now. he could probably still win against non-movers like canelo or angulo but i think he has already lost his status as one of the best.
it was a good win for guerrero but he still has to prove himself more to be considered great. that said, he may just have the right style to beat floyd or at least give him a hard, competitive fight. constant pressure combined with a southpaw stance, dirty tactics, long limbs, ring intelligence, an iron will, decent speed and chin can give mayweather major headaches. only drawback with robert is lack of power. he's not yet great but styles make fights. who knows? with floyd declining and having some ring rust the next time he fights, maybe guerrero does have a decent shot.
@NoelRara isn't he already? claiming to be the greatest without fighting the best competition available.
the rumor on floyd remains to be seen. and to be fair, he should be treated as innocent til proven guilty. that said, i find it amusing that he is getting a dose of his own medicine. does he deserve a guilty verdict? no, not yet. does he deserve the rants of the anti-floyd or the pro-pacquiao who jump to conclusions? most definitely. he's been doing that (accusation without evidence) to manny for years. so he shouldn't complain now that he's on the spot.
as for usada, their verifiable actions should be investigated entirely. from the winky wright to the erik morales situations, the organization has lost its credibilty. and we're not talking about minor situations like tygart claiming floyd 'a clean fighter' without doing tests. their procedures require heavy scrutiny.
gbp also has some verifiable moves that need to be looked at. as the 'frontrunner' in cleaning up the sport, their recent twisting of rules, along with their association with usada, puts their credibility in question.
my current favorite WORST FIGHTER: devon alexander. his fights really stink up the joint. can you imagine maidana in a boring fight? well credit that to alexander. i remember the hilarious point of that fight. devon's punch and hug tactics were so automatic, he didn't realize maidana was on the way down after a punch and he just instinctively hugged him. as a result, the ref thought it was a push so devon wasn't credited with a knockdown lol
@tstarks @torchie hmm. i quite disagree that cotto has been revived. his wins at jr middle were mediocre. struggling early against an ordinary foreman and beating an over-the-hill mayorga is hardly impressive. while his win over cheato was good, targeting marg's eye wasn't difficult at that point. big credit to that win actually goes to pac for damaging that eye. cotto is slow and sluggish at 154 and his punches lack snap. his best was by far in 147.
on floyd, his wins aren't "pretty good" we rank p4p AFTER a performance and not BEFORE right? floyd's performance with ortiz was a sucker-punch while mosley was obviously shot when the fight came about despite still being #3 at the time. granted that ortiz was considered a top ww when the fight was signed but it is clear as day NOW that he isn't really much of a real challenge to the elite. his berto win was a fluke or berto is also overrated. but ok, i can give the mosley win a pass. but floyd's last 2 bouts weren't #1 worthy.
i believe floyd and manny are separated by a hairline and they're interchangeable in positions. floyd hasn't done much. sucker-punched an overrated ortiz and struggled against a declining, non-p4p cotto. pac also hasn't been impressive. struggled, possibly lost to a highly-ranked p4p in marquez but toyed with another p4p fighter but lost in the cards with bradley. IF floyd is still #1, i think pac should still be #2. that said, i believe ward is already #1 with either pac or floyd at #2 and 3. but i agree that jmm at #4. sergio himself hasn't done much. struggled early with b-level barker and macklin and almost slipped with a plodding chavez. that 12th round with jr. was amateurish. none of the your top 6 p4p would have been caught that way. but i do agree with your top 10 with a few alterations (ward #1, froch #10) pretty good list.
my sentiments exactly. unfortunately, damage has been done. pac's name and accomplishments have already been ruined in some circles. and that can never be taken back, especially with a retraction as laughable as what they released.
@tstarks maybe not many others but he has talked a lot of trash the last couple of years against cotto, pacquiao and now chavez. this guy's just begging for attention from ppv kings. i may have been hasty regarding promoters. now that i think about it, i'm not too sure if he has disrespected arum. but definitely pac & cotto before chavez
martinez hasn't been a "good guy" for a while now. he's been trash talking and disrespecting many boxers and promoters since he was crowned middleweight king. i think he wins a wide decision but i really hope chavez ko's him and shuts him up
donaire also looks like he lacks in-fighting skills.
funny video. it's ironic that tim winning the belt has caused more damage to his career and reputation than if he lost. if they rightfully awarded the fight to pacquiao, bradley would get a lot of props for lasting the fight with both feet injured. poor guy. i'm not sure a rematch will look good. at this point, tim will be backtracking from the get-go like mosley. he'll do better though and the rounds will probably be closer (for real this time) but it will be boring. besides, they will give it to manny this time no matter how close it is. pac could just stand there and he'll win it decisively, maybe even by tko even if it lasts 12 rounds lol. they won't let pac lose the next time for sure. floyd's such a brat. "mommy, i wanna go home!" can't even man up for 3 months. paris lasted even longer than him in jail. chicken.
great interview. nice line of questioning, tim.