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@CeceliaHolland @johnturmel @ztoundas1 @TracySchmidt @ge556 @rottenham @athomps121 @wilbert1755 1998>2014
CeceliaHolland: you want another bet? globally 1998 will be cooler than global 2014.Jct: Faded. I say 2014 won't break 1998. It's recorded on the global warming bets page.
3 months, 2 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120134/climate-change-denier-james-inhofe-lead-environment-committee
@ge556 @johnturmel @ztoundas1 @TracySchmidt @rottenham @CeceliaHolland @athomps121 @wilbert1755 NonsenseJct: Say "nonsense" all you want but you can't bet it's going to get warmer....
@ztoundas1 @johnturmel @TracySchmidt @ge556 @rottenham @CeceliaHolland @athomps121 @wilbert1755 about the recent decline in warming (no, it isn't cooling), our suns activity has dropped off in correlation with the pause." Jct: Hey, you're the one betting on CO2 driving global warming, I'm the one betting on the big ball of fire n the sky but thanks for pointing out the sun drives our climate. Now tell us how CO2 has any comparable effect! And "no, it isn't cooling," yes, it is. You fraudsters used a "trick to hide the decline," your words, and a decline isn't a pause in rise. A decline is down from then. And we're now down from then. You keep pushing a decline as a pause in rise when you can't bet it's going rise again and I can bet it will keep declining! Har har har har har har. Guess you hid the decline so well you can't see it any more.
@ge556 @johnturmel @ztoundas1 @TracySchmidt @rottenham @CeceliaHolland @athomps121 @wilbert1755 Denying it though, I think you would agree, does nothing.Jct: I say global warming broke off in 1998, you say it broke off in 2003. The point is it broke off despite spiking CO2 belying the whole global warming hoax.
@ztoundas1 @TracySchmidt @ge556 @rottenham @johnturmel @CeceliaHolland @athomps121 @wilbert1755 Denying it though, I think you would agree, does nothing.Jct: Denying a lie does something. Denying global warming is continuing does something. Even you admit 1998 was when the global warming broke off.
@ztoundas1 @TracySchmidt @ge556 @rottenham @johnturmel @CeceliaHolland @athomps121 @wilbert1755 The signifigance of this warming period is its rapidity along with no dicernible natural causes.Jct: And less discernible cause for this warming period breaking off in 1998 despite spike in CO2!!
@ztoundas1 @johnturmel @TracySchmidt @ge556 @rottenham @CeceliaHolland @athomps121 @wilbert1755 I made that bet (1934 vs 1998) because it was the one you initially proposed a week ago, and unlike you, once I make a bet I stick to it. I don't change it once I feel like I am losing like you have. I have integrity. Look it up, you should get some.Jct: I already told you I have recorded your bet. What's your problem now?
@ztoundas1 @johnturmel @TracySchmidt @ge556 @rottenham @CeceliaHolland @athomps121 @wilbert1755 "JCT: But a man convinced against his will is a man unconvinced still. When they're that obtuse and pretend they just can't keep up, you know they're not listening to learn if they're wrong."
ztoundas1: Now there is a quote that describes your pretend ignorance very well, John. I am going to save that one for later, for you.
Jct: That's how it works. One of us will laugh last. Of course, that you can't bet on continued global warming after arguing 1998 was the hottest year on record, does make this amusing. Funny you should destroy your whole "global warming due to rising due to CO2" argument to win a $100 bet with the admission temperature broke off in 1998!!!
@ge556 @TracySchmidt @rottenham @johnturmel @CeceliaHolland @athomps121 @wilbert1755 Jct: I took it for mid-point in time of the bump of thousands of years. She convinced me it looks like we're in a thousands of years warming phase but I'm still betting on the small-time decades of years into the future from other inputs being down in that warming bump.
@TracySchmidt @ge556 @rottenham @johnturmel @CeceliaHolland @athomps121 @wilbert1755 What's so complicated about that? Jct: I know. Picking a nit against the X-axis when you've been trying to highlight something on the Y-axis made me laugh too. But a man convinced against his will is a man unconvinced still. When they're that obtuse and pretend they just can't keep up, you know they're not listening to learn if they're wrong.
@ztoundas1 @johnturmel @ge556 1998 > 1934Jct: Good. It's recorded. I added: Jct: Okay, 1998 was the hottest year of the past 2 decades. I'm betting 1934 was hotter. The point is that temperature has declined since 1998 if that's your pick for hottest year!!! Har har har. No wonder you can't bet on contiued global warming, you argue 1998 was the hottest year! Har har har. Love it.
@ge556 @ztoundas1 So you bet it's not 1934. Compared to what higher year? Are you betting on 2014 ove 1934? Okay. Valid bet. I meant with Zach Toundas, ge556 can't bet until I know whom he is. And Zach, you can propose all the bets you want now.
@CeceliaHolland @johnturmel @ztoundas1 I want to up my betJct: You went to facebook and searched for global warming bets and couldn't find it? I did.
@ge556 @johnturmel @ztoundas1 YOu lostJct: If I were flashing the bet someone backed lost, I'd mention what it was. Why don't you tell us what bet the TajProfessor lost?
@ztoundas1 @johnturmel @ge556 @rottenham @CeceliaHolland @athomps121 @wilbert1755 the average temp for the next 10 years (2014-2023) has to be equal to or greater than 2004-2013's avg temp.
Jct: Sure, go register the bet at GWCC Bets page. You're faded. I say next decade is colder than this decade. Winner is decided on Feb 1st, 2024, so the global results of December 2023 have to come in (those lag behind about a month).Jct: But how about something that gets decided next year. How about $100 on 2015 cooler than the earlier decade, then another $100 on 2016, then another on 2017? Why wait 10 years? I'm confident on every year from now on.
ZT: I will only accept this bet if you pay on the first we have made and won.Jct: Sure, pop over to the bets page and tell everyone what you think you won.
If you cannot make this bet, you will be the coward.Jct: You have a foul mouth to go with your lying stats. Now place your bets on global warming to continue!!!
@ztoundas1 @johnturmel welsherJct: The bet hasn't been decided and the sleaze is calling me names. He has cards so they must win. Give him the pot before all cards are known. You're a dolt. But I've got you down for $100 I'll be able to chase you about for the rest of your life. And no one has bet that global warming is going to continue yet. Pop on over to the Global Warming Climate Change Bets page and state your proposition bet.
@ge556 @johnturmel @rottenham @CeceliaHolland @athomps121 @wilbert1755 Jct: What a weak reason not to be on continued global warming next year! Har har har har har har. You can't bet because you care for life! Har har har har har har.
@CeceliaHolland @johnturmel @ztoundas1 we're hiding behind anonymityJct: I'm not talking about you, have you not figured that out? I said you've got your bet because you are a person, they don't because they won't. What is so hard for you to get. Are you even allowed your own money?
@TracySchmidt @ztoundas1 @nlhulsey Cecelia's made sure we all know she's no lady.
@ztoundas1 Jct: Tell us who you are and I might read it. Keep hiding your identity, you're not worth our bother.
@CeceliaHolland pay up, johnJct: It's going to take a long time before you can convince me your data is right. And for me to convince you mine is. That's why I only want to get you alarmists on the record. In a few years, the truth will emerge and one of us gets to chase the other. Just keep in mind that most of your supporters here are no-ID trolls. And they can't bet it's going to get warmer either.
@ge556 @ztoundas1 @CeceliaHolland @johnturmel @rottenham @TonyKondaks he doesn't seem to grasp the basic concept that the U.S. is not representative of the entire globe"Jct: So why can't you bet that it's going to get warmer? Har har har har har har. I'm ready to bet it's going to get cooler!!!
@CeceliaHolland @johnturmel @PaulHawkins the bet is that 2014 will be warmer than 1934. Jct: Okay, it's official. I have 1934 and you have 2014.
@CeceliaHolland @johnturmel @ge556 @ztoundas1 @Lt Greyman NVA show your face here againJct: Why not? I just want to get as many global warming hoaxers on the record refusing to bet it's going to get warmer. Har har har har har har. You make fun of my card (Easterbrook) but you can't bet it's going to get warmer while I can bet on my E card that it's going to get cooler. If he's wrong, why can't you bet he's wrong. The Great Canadian Gambler has plenty of $100 bets available if you want to get your name on the up side officially. Even if you don't pay up, it will be fun chasing you or having your losing bet on record forever. Anyway, all the laughers can't bet Easterbrook is wrong! Har har har har har har. While I, betting he's right on global cooling for the next decade, stand invictus. (Great poem). And I'm not fading any bets with anonymous trolls. If you don't have the integrity to identify yourself, you don't have the credibility to gamble with. And before people react to these trolls who keep parroting the same errors, check to see if they're real people. You'll be amazed how many warmunistas have no history or credentials. You can check mine. Check Easterbrook's. But we're deniers... alarmists don't need credentials, they say they have consensus.
@CeceliaHolland @PaulHawkins the growth you reference is over one year. if next year, the ice cap is smaller, will you then accept that it's shrinking?Jct: If you expect it to shrink, you expect temperature to rise. So why can't you bet that 2015 is going to warmer than 2014?
@ge556 @ztoundas1 @Lt Greyman NVA denialJct: The no-ID trolls speak. Who cares what a few anonymous "experts" think?
@CeceliaHolland @johnturmel I am withdrawing my bet.. Jct: Who cares who my expert is? The bet was it's cooler now than in the dirty thirties. or than 1998... or it'll be cooler next year. You'd think that with all those critiques, you'd want more, not less, action.
@CeceliaHolland @ge556 @ztoundas1 @johnturmel @rottenham @TonyKondaks Jct: And still no one can bet he's wrong about continued global cooling...
@ge556 @CeceliaHolland @ztoundas1 @johnturmel @rottenham @TonyKondaks Even the major skeptic site WUWT has debunked Easterbrook's nonsense:Jct: If he's so wrong about future global cooling that I'm betting on, why can't anyone fade the bet on 2015 that can be settled in 1 year? The critiques are about his post 2000 forecast and yet no one will be against him? I wonder why? And why should I worry when despite all your critiques, no one can bet? Hmmmm...
@CeceliaHolland @johnturmel Cecelia: http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2010/05/21/don-easterbrook-hides-the-incl/
Jct: But Gareth Renowden's critique says: Note that Easterbrook’s fake trend exaggerates the decrease.
Jct: So he's right about the decline but exaggerated the decline!!! Regardless, global cooling for 16 years since 1998 or global cooling for the past 8 decades since the Dirty Thirties if Dr. Don is right about them too almost all being hotter than now!!! Time will tell. But if Dr. Don is wrong about global cooling for the next decade or so, why won't anyone bet on the continued global warming from now on? No warmistas fading bets on the future sure bolsters my confidence in the rest of Dr. Don's data even if the trend was exaggerated, which my continued confidence in him makes me doubt. Who's Gareth Renowden, any more impressive than dana1981?
@ztoundas1 @johnturmel @CeceliaHolland Anyone else know whom I should send my losing bet to?
@ztoundas1 @johnturmel @CeceliaHolland You really can't expect me to bet with an unknown, do you? Sure, should I lose, send it to UNICEF, but should I win, Mr. Anonymous is going to do what? Cecelia has her bet. ID yourself and you can have yours.
@ztoundas1 @johnturmel @CeceliaHolland Jct: Go ahead an identify yourself like Cecelia is...
@CeceliaHolland US annual mean anomalies vs 1951-1980Though it has years 1880 to 2020. I like the way the hockey stick broke off. Anyone want to bet the hockey stick will continue into the future?
@ztoundas1 @johnturmel @CeceliaHolland @ge556 I don't anything until Dr. Don's video is proven wrong. Have you even watched it? No, your bets on global warming are official as soon as you ID yourself. I see you're rather anonymous, not much cred to lose. Forget the the UNICEF ploy, who are you who says you should be paid?
@CeceliaHolland @johnturmel @ge556 @ztoundas1 Yes, calling anyone a welcher before the bet is decided is a foul. So far, no one has actually challenged Dr. Don's recent video.
@ztoundas1 @johnturmel @rottenham @wilbert1755 @clotworthyi @WallyLind Dr. Don said that the ocean varied from 8.2 to 7.9 and that CO2 had no chance of ever gettting it down to below 7. It could never turn acid was his point. It will always be alkaline. So don't acidification when it's only mild de-alkalinisation possible.
@CeceliaHolland @johnturmel @ge556 @ztoundas1 Yes, it's official. Should data emerge that 2014 was warmer, you'll win. So don't get insulting. The TajProfessor has a lot more gambling cred at stake than you do. If your argument is borne out, I've never stiffed on a bet before, especially not for one lousy black chip. Though it does make it affordable for people to take a stand.
@ztoundas1 @johnturmel @CeceliaHolland I'm not talking about his proposal in 2000. I'm betting right now. I bet next year is going to be cooler. Wanna bet on the future? And that graph isn't the one he used just recently, is it? From 2000. Anyway, wanna bet on the future?
@CeceliaHolland @johnturmel @ge556 @ztoundas1 Okay, your foul mouth has proven your point, you're no lady.
@CeceliaHolland @ge556 @johnturmel @ztoundas1 Their adjustments made the dust bowl years disappear. Not the kind of adjustments they should have made, was Dr. Don's point. Anyway, I'm going to record the bets of everyone who says they made one, post them for the record, then sit back and see what wins out over time. Regardless, all bets by real people will be posted at my Global Warming Climate Gate Hoaxers page in case I have to apologize and pay up. What I can't understand is why no global warming supporters want to bet against my claim of global cooling. Dr. Don predicts more cooling. So bet I. As a matter of fact, I bet we don't cross the 1998 high point for years. Come on, warmistas, why can't you bet on the future?
@rottenham @johnturmel @CeceliaHolland @athomps121 @wilbert1755 Now, they have to be "under oath." Constantly moving goalposts must really wear you out.Jct: No, I just pointed out he was a sworn witness and rued you don't have anyone swearing under oath too R: All three major surface datasets (NOAA, NASA, and HadCRUT) say Easterbrook is wrong.Jct: And yet I still bet Easterbrook's original data is right and their adjusted data is not.
That's why it's important to note that you can't bet next year will be warmer than 1998, or any year thereafter, or even from this year. Why is it you can't bet warming will continue as I can bet cooling will continue? Har har har.
@rottenham @johnturmel @CeceliaHolland @athomps121 @wilbert1755 Here's the entire WWU geology department saying he's wrong: Jct: I didn't see them under oath and science isn't a popularity contest. Beat his original data if you can.
@rottenham @wilbert1755 @johnturmel @clotworthyi @WallyLind Dr. Don was very precise. Ocean dealkalinisation may be going on, reducing the alkaline PH from 8.2 to 7.9 but never "acidification." The word does not apply to the situation at all, his point was.
@ge556 @johnturmel @ztoundas1 @CeceliaHolland 1934 being adjusted. Jct: And in my video, he talks about 1934 without the adjustment. My point is it was hotter than now so we've been in decline for the past 80 years, unless you can find a recent year that is higher to indicate an upward trend! Has global temperature declined since the dust bowl decade or not? I bet we've been in decline and might continue for at least a century. At least I'm willing to bet the next 20 years are continued decline and no one seems to be willing to bet on the next years warming more than 1998!! So decline they used a trick to hide seems pretty established. It's declined since 1998 and since the dirty thirties. And you found Dr. Don discussing adjusted 1934 data? So what, his video says all the hottest years were in that decade putting a lie to any claim recent years were the hottest!!! Anyway, go watch his video again, like I did. Then pick any year after the thirties that would indicate a rise!
3 months, 3 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120134/climate-change-denier-james-inhofe-lead-environment-committee
@ge556 @johnturmel @ztoundas1 @CeceliaHolland he was talking about 1934 being the warmest year in the U.S., not globally. It's you who misused your reference.Jct: Wow, so the global warming that hit the US in the dirty thirties didn't hit the rest of the globe. Okay, if you say so, but his graph didn't say "only US" did it? Guess when he said "global warming then global cooling then global warming... he meant "US warming then US cooling then US warming." Dr. Don said it was "global cooling," that the original data showed and that's what I'm betting on. Funny, while everyone wants to claim the dirty thirties weren't the hottest years, no one wants to bet on the rise continuing from now on! Are you all scared that the decline they used a trick to hide from you is really happening? If you really believed in your hypothesis, why can't you bet warming will continue? Har har har har har har. Why is that? Why can no one bet that 2015 will be warmer than 2014? Har har har. Why? Decision within a short time. No one can bet next year will be warmer than this year! Har har har.
@clotworthyi @WallyLind yet you still deliberately close your eyes to the rising sea levels, declining Arctic ice, melting glaciers, acidifying oceans, and increasing droughts.Jct: And Dr. Don made fun of all these arguments. "acidifying oceans" was particulary funny. Oceans have a Ph of 8 and you jokers think a trace gas in the atmosphere is going to bring that Ph down to acid at 7? Har har har har har har. We had a good laugh there and here.
@CeceliaHolland @johnturmel @WallyLind @wilbert1755 your side uses a trick to hide the warming. does that make you evil?Jct: Okay, so you got this wrong too. Your side admitted using a trick to hide the decline, my side hasn't had to hide the decline, why would we have to when reality shows the decline?
@CeceliaHolland @wilbert1755 @johnturmel the data say you're wrongJct: Yes, your adjusted data says.... Look, either my data from Dr. Don or your data from dana1981 is a lie. You say yours is true because you're you. I say mine is true because no one's contradicted Dr. Don so far. No one's sure who's lying right now, except you. And I still have no idea what bet you want to take, at last recall, you wanted to bet on the decline, like me. So stop screaming your data is right when you haven't been able to show mine is wrong. One is wrong and you have no basis to says it's the Doctor's, it could be your vaunted climate expert dana 1981.