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@Orangeone@Patrick Henry@vickee@WolfieUSANow you might could make this argument.
Article IV, section IV:
"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a
Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against
Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when
the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence"
That wouldn't be keeping with original intent. But the Constitution is dead anyway, eh? I guess an "invasion" could mean whatever people in black robes says it means.
1 year, 8 months ago on BOOM! GOP Rep SLAMS Obama’s lavish lifestyle, says First Family uses Air Force One as their ‘personal toy’
@Orangeone@Patrick Henry@vickee@WolfieUSANo, no you haven't. Here's what you cited from article 1, section 8.
"To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization..."
Here is the current process for naturalization which the feds have control over.
Just like a classic progressive/ decepticon though. When you can't debate the merits of your argument. Just call names... real classy! I thought you said you were a Constitutional conservative.
@Orangeone @Patrick Henry @vickee @WolfieUSA I know this is upsetting to you. But it is what it is, it's not in the Constitution, it just isn't. If you don't like it, there's a process to change it. See article 5.
@Orangeone@Patrick Henry@vickee@WolfieUSA"To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization..." You just made my point for me, thank you. The federal govt. only has authority over the naturalization process. Any power not enumerated in Article 1, section 8, defers to the tenth amendment.
@Orangeone @Patrick Henry @vickee @WolfieUSA Reagan also left us with a lot of debt. He was by far and away the best president I've seen in my lifetime. Agreed with most everything else except for the old adage. "if You didn't vote for so and so, then it was a vote for the other guy" I'm sorry, but that's nonsense. A vote for Romney is a vote for Romney. A vote for Dear Leader is a vote for Maobama. A vote for Gary Johnson is a vote for Gary Johnson. If you love freedom and liberty, you should vote accordingly. Please quote me from the Constitution, the article and section that gives the executive branch the authority to police our border. Show me anywhere in the Constitution that gives Leviathan control over our borders.
@Orangeone @Patrick Henry @vickee @WolfieUSA I guess it depends on what you call successful. He was for gun control, than he was against it. For abortion, than against it. When he ran against Ted Kennedy for his senate seat. He ran to the LEFT of Kennedy. I didn't think that was possible. MILLIONS in fee hikes, doesn't sound very conservative to me. So I guess it depends on what camera he's in front of. I could go on, but the election is over and Obama won. As far as being a biz owner, so was Bush Jr. Wanna take a guess as to who racked up the most debt in this country until Dear Leader Chairman Maobama came along? The biggest assault to our 4th amendment rights in the history of the country with the patriot act. I'm not a conservative, I'm a CONSTITUTIONAL conservative, big difference!
@Orangeone @Patrick Henry @vickee @WolfieUSA You're certainly entitled to it. But I felt the same way about Romney. And so Nero fiddles as Rome burns.
@Orangeone @Patrick Henry @vickee @WolfieUSA Well I would probably fit that description then. I did vote, but it wasn't for Romney or Obama. Why is it though that when the establishment crowns their candidate, people like me are expected to just leave our principles at our polling precinct door? Why not for a change all of the people that vote for the status quo, come and join with people like me and vote for liberty for a change? I believe in a foreign policy, the same one that George Washington and Thomas Jefferson advocated for. I don't believe in open borders though. RP did make a good point about this in one of the debates though.
It was something I'd never thought about. He said something to the effect of, if you were to build walls on the border. And then put men with guns pointed outward. What's to stop those same men form turning those guns inward? What if things finally got bad enough in America that you decided to flee and you couldn't? What you must understand is that I finally took the red pill.
I remember pulling the lever for Mccain in 2008 and walking out of my polling booth felling like I needed to hurry home and take a shower. I lied to my friends about it when they asked me who I voted for. I would tell them that I voted for Palin, the lesser of 2 evils is still evil. I don't think any of that makes me "nuts"
@Orangeone @vickee @WolfieUSA You really should watch generalizing with your groups there. I was a Paul supporter, and I promise you. There's nothing liberal about me. It would be kind of like me saying that everyone that has the username "Orangeone" is obtuse. Would that be fair to you?
"Apparently he can’t think of a single reason that nullification should be used by states or local governing bodies."
Herein lies the problem, they don't think, or they can't think. They are TOLD what to think instead of doing it for themselves. Some of these talking heads and politicians have probably never had and original thought in their entire lives.
1 year, 11 months ago on There’s Nothing Radical about Nullification
@LindaTucker @Patrick Henry I actually bought one of these Linda. It's much cheaper.
2 years ago on Nullification Victories!
He's a troll my friend. A condescending, pompous jerk who used to go by the name of gypsynovus here. I guess he got tired of people ignoring him and changed his username. Pay him no attention!
2 years, 2 months ago on Wyoming to Preserve the Second Amendment? – Tenth Amendment Center Blog
@RedTulie Something else that bears mentioning is that I don't trust ANY govt. There's state and local govts. that are just as corrupt as Leviathan. The difference is that if we start forming smaller confederations, it'll be easier to manage. I ask people this question, which of your elected representatives are more responsive to you. The ones that are hundreds or even thousands of miles away. Or the city/county commissioner or mayor that may possibly live right down the road from you. It's about size and scale folks, we're completely out of scale. This beast has gotten WAY too big!
@RedTulie That's EXACTLY what needs to start happening. I'll be the first one to raise a glass of ale to all of you when it does.
@Jdangiel I know what nullification is and I agree that the states should start asserting their 10th amendment right and start telling the feds to go pound sand. But someone please show me an example of where it's happening. Like I said, the states are like welfare recipients. They're on the dole too, and that's all Uncle Scam has to do is threaten their medicaid or highway funds and they fall on their knees and start begging.
I brought this up a while back because I remember it like it was yesterday. Louisiana was the last state in the union to raise the drinking age to 21 and they weren't going to. Well, the feds stepped in and said that they didn't have to comply. But we're going to withhold your federal highway funds until you do. Guess what the legal drinking age is in LA now!
@dmellon Well I hope you're right, but you don't have to go back very far to see what kind of influence fedzilla has on the states. Obamacare and Arizona's SB 1070 are 2 recent examples.. They will threaten to withhold medicare or highway funds and it'll be over, watch and see!
While I applaud WY for doing this, I can go ahead and tell you what's going to happen if it passes. Our esteemed DOJ will challenge it in federal court and will be struck down. The question after that happens is what do the people and the WY state legislature do then? Someone please remind me what the benefit is to remaining in this American union.
5 years??? If it were up to me, they'd get the DEATH penalty!
Gotta love guys like Dr. Woods and Kevin Gutzman!
2 years, 2 months ago on Happy New Year! Are you with us for a big push th...
Hopefully, the south will rise again!
2 years, 3 months ago on Four and Counting: Another State to Consider Obamacare Nullification
@WilliamSchooler He can't help it Mr. Schooler, he has this "limbic" thing going on inside his brain. Ask him about it if you really want to have a good laugh.
2 years, 4 months ago on Nullification in One Lesson
@WilliamSchooler Very well said Mr. Schooler, I've been saying the exact same thing for a very long time now. I am of the opinion that since the corruption is so widespread among the federal and state governments. We should probably start at the local level and work our way out. Personally, I would like to see smaller confederations, they would be much easier to manage IMHO.
@StephenSmith1 @Bob_In_Boston I think you're right about Governor Gardisil, he's another NWO stooge. It was a nice thought though. Who knows, if the state legislatures start getting enough blowback from this. It might at least get the conversation started in a few states. The way I have it figured is, if you're going to dream. Might as well dream BIG!!!
2 years, 4 months ago on Nullification Victories!
@StephenSmith1 Yep, Decepticon prime gave us numerous assaults on our liberties. These are the things that I keep trying to point out to people who think that electing a bunch of Republicans will solve all our problems.And then we'll all be able to sit around a campfire at camp david, sing kumbaya and the coke song, spot on Stephen!
@mlk12 I hear you loud and clear, I've experienced all of this too. That's why I've argued here that nullification while being a good remedy will most likely not happen anytime soon. Because the states are in on the scam too. They've been feeding at the federal trough as well and don't want to give up their piece of the pie. I think we've about come to the end of the party. I've done all I can do to try and educate people about what's going on.
But it's not enough, we're not going to have enough time. It's all going to have to crash and burn and then we need to hit the reset button and start all over again. "Forgive them Lord, they know not what they do"
@StephenSmith1 On second thought, after carefully reading the article. It seems that these are citizen generated petitions on the whitehouse.gov website. You can't even sign it without registering which will probably put me on another one leviathans hit lists. Dammit man, you got my hopes up, oh well, hope springs eternal!
@StephenSmith1 Probably the best news I've heard in my lifetime since I happen to live in one of these states... AMF!!!
@LloydThomasSloan @JamesP.Delaney @FL10thAmendment
I'll take it, Madison was a traitor as far as I'm concerned. He showed up to the ratification debates along with Hamilton with a plan that basically would have given us what we have now. A supreme national govt. He wrote in some of his notes that what America needed was a supreme dictator. He eventually came around, but if this is the guy you're holding up on a pedestal, I'll pass for sure!
2 years, 4 months ago on No More Waiting. Nullify Now!
@Michael Boldin Here's a little blurb about it in the New York Slimes. Like I said, this is how it's done with everything. That's why the states are afraid to stand up to Uncle Scam. They don't want to lose their spot at the trough.
You nailed it again Michael, I've been screaming at the top of my lungs at people for years that there is NO federal solution to our problems as a nation. I've been called just about everything imaginable by so called conservatives. The only problem with your solution is that most of the state legislatures are full of statists as well. I keep telling people that the states are just as bad as welfare recipients. They won't stand up to Leviathan and here's why. They're on the dole too, they're afraid to tell Uncle Scam to go pound sand because they're afraid they'll lose their place at the federal teat.
I don't know if you remember this or not, but LA was the last state to raise the drinking age to 21. They weren't going to do it either. Well, big brother stepped in and said okay, you don't want to comply. We'll just withhold your federal highway funds. I probably don't need to tell you what happened after that. The drinking age in LA is 21 just like everywhere else.That's how it works unfortunately, fedzilla has its tentacles in every aspect of our lives now. The good news is that the state legislatures are more manageable than our federal overlords in Mordor on the Potomac river. We've got a lot of work to do folks, it's time to quit sitting on the sidelines. Get up and get busy!
@Rob1911a1 Too bad the Massholes have invaded NH and just about turned it into a liberal wasteland. Isn't that amazing about libtards, they are like locusts. They move into an area and devour everything in sight. And when it's all gone, they move somewhere else and do the same thing.
@LindaTucker You're welcome, anytime!
@Dancingdeer I like to think even smaller than that, there's a county in AZ trying to secede, Pima I think. I want to get back to the lost art of self governance.
@betsy ross @LindaTucker @Michael Boldin Absolutely, I've been doing it for over 6 years now. I have one whole room in my house full because I knew what was going to eventually come. I even make my own colloidal silver!
@LindaTucker The concrete is just a casing, if you take the top off, you'll see the pipe going down inside the casing to the water. My well is a 24 inch bored well. If you look at it, it would seem you can't get to it because the tank sits on top of the lid. All I have to do is turn the power off disconnect the power and take the lid off and I have access to my water. It's shallow enough that I could send a bucket on a rope down of I had to and get water. A drilled well is usually 6 inches and is much deeper. But that pump from that website will get it up to the surface. Where there's a will, there's a way, If I lived closer to you, I would help you get it set up. Get to know your neighbors, we're going to have to start doing things like we did way back. When neighbors helped one another and churches and civic organizations helped people in need before the damn government got in the charity business.
@LindaTucker That's strange, most well pumps run on 240 volts, Take a look at this though.
@LindaTucker Drilled well or bored well?
@LindaTucker Oooh, that's a tough one, I have a water purification system. But it's for personal use, It would be hard to make enough drinking water for those animals. Do some research online though. I am fortunate enough to live on a large lake so I have access to plenty of water. But it would be quite a chore to purify enough to water those animals I would think.
@LindaTucker @Michael Boldin Think smaller, get involved locally. Get to know your neighbors and state representatives. Stock up on food, guns and ammo, it AIN'T over yet, trust me!
@Michael Boldin @LindaTucker Exactly Michael, I'm more interested in downsizing this beast. I think it's time we start re-thinking this whole American union thing. Thomas Jefferson wrote in some of his memoirs that he envisioned confederations of 3000 to 5000 people. I try to get people to think about it like this. Are your elected representatives more responsive to you when they're hundreds or thousands of miles away. Or when they might live in your neighborhood like a city or county commissioner. THIS is what I'm working for, at the state and local level. I don't even bother with my federal representatives anymore. It's a total waste of time IMHO!
Great news, maybe the GOP will finally realize that they can't win without the liberty vote and start making some inroads. I knew this was going to happen, I've been cursed at and maligned for it, but I was right. Better wake up GOP and smell the coffee or you'll go the way of the Whig party.
@West Texan @WilliamSchooler I'm not crying about anything. I'm ready for what's coming, I could care less who wins this election. I don't even contact my federal representatives anymore, I'm working at the state and local level now. You obviously haven't read any of my arguments for not voting for either of these 2 corrupt monopolies or you wouldn't be making such foolish statements. You say you like to deal in facts right? Well here's one that you obviously overlooked in my assessment. We've been voting for the lesser of 2 evils for at least the last 30 years. We're STILL 16 trillion in debt, haven't you gotten the memo? The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting a different result. So you just keep voting for the lesser of 2 evils and I promise I won't come back and say I told you so when it all goes down the crapper.
2 years, 4 months ago on A Tenther's Guide to the Elections
@LeighSkinner I think Ben Franklin said it best. " Those who would give up their liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty or safety"
@LeighSkinner Thanks Leigh, I needed that.
"The claims of these organizers of humanity raise another question which I have often asked them and which, so far as I know, they have never answered: If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind?"
@WilliamSchooler Thanks William, that's exactly what I plan on doing. I'm sick to death of people telling me that a vote for anyone but Romney is a vote for Obama. I can easily flip that around to suit me, a vote for anyone but Johnson is a vote for Obama. See how easy that is, we had the modern day equivalent of Jefferson running for the GOP nomination and we blew it. So now Amerika, get ready to reap what you've sown. I remember in 2008 coming out of the poll after pulling the lever for Mccain. I felt like I needed to go home and take a bath, never again I said to myself. I'm just not doing it anymore.Maybe after this whole thing collapses we can start all over again and get it right this time, MAYBE!!!
@West Texan I understand what you're trying to say, but with all due respect. We've been trying this same exercise in futility for at least 30 years and we're still 16 trillion in debt. I'm sick of voting for the lesser of 2 evils or the slightly less crappy of the 2 socialists running. I understand that Johnson can't win, but what if he gets 15% of the vote? Romney will lose yes, but I think that might get the GOP's attention. After the shenanigans they pulled at the convention, that did it for me. Until the GOP starts listening to people like myself in the liberty movement, I'm done with them.
Anybody that thinks just electing a bunch of republicans this cycle and everything will magically get fixed is deluding themselves. We have an illegal usurper in the white house right now. Where's the GOP on this? Maobama has committed untold impeachable offenses. Where's the GOP on those? They won't touch it and I'll tell you why. It's because they're in on it too, this is never going to change unless we break this 2 party monopoly that we have. It's the same 2 sides of the same bad coin. If you're happy with the status quo, then by all means vote for Romney. What I'd actually like to see is Obama win and the GOP retake the senate and keep the house. Then we'll see what the GOP is made of, even right now they could put a stop to all of this nonsense if they wanted to. All bills for raising revenue start in the house. They could defund every bit of it if they were serious about a return to fiscal sanity. But they're not because like I said, they're in on it too!
Good Article Michael, I do the same with people. I don't tell anyone how to vote. I just point out the flaws in these candidates, and I take a lot of incoming for that. This election cycle has been one of the nastiest I've ever seen. There are people losing friends and family members over this election. For me personally, I've given up on my federal legislators. I've decided to do what you are prescribing here, get involved locally and at the state level. These are the folks that can put a stop to all of this madness and keep fedzilla in check IF they want to.
I am of the opinion that it's about time we start re-thinking this whole American union thing. It's gotten way to big and completely out of scale. Under article 1, section 2, we're supposed to have 1 representative for every 30 thousand people. Of course that was written when there were only 13 colonies and about 3 million in population. Now we have 50 colonies and over 310 million in population, If you were to do the math on that, we'd have to have over 10000 representatives in the house of representin. First of all, you'd never be able to fit that many people in there. And second, even if you could, nothing would ever get accomplished which may not be a bad thing now that I think about it.
I've read the writings of some of our founders and I remember reading somewhere that Jefferson had envisioned confederations of no more than 3 to 5 thousand people. For anyone who thinks that's silly, ask yourself this question. Are your elected officials more responsive to you hundreds or even thousands of miles away? Or, would they be more accountable if they lived perhaps in your own neighborhood like say a county or city commissioner? It's all about size and scale folks, we're completely out of scale.
As far as voting for the lesser of 2 evils thing, here's some food for thought. I've heard all of the arguments because I'm voting for Gary Johnson. The most popular being, oh if we can just get this monster slowed down a little until the next cycle. Then we can get a constitutionalist in there, we've been trying this exercise in futility for at least the last 30 years. As much as most folks loved Reagan, even he couldn't get it done, we're still 16 trillion in debt.
I've asked all of my detractors this, why should I continue to go and hold my nose and vote for the lesser of 2 evils? Why is it that I have to join in this herd mentality and pull the lever for someone like Romney? Why is it somehow my fault that if Romney loses it's because of people like me didn't take one for this corrupt team? Why am I supposed to just leave my conscious and my principles at my precinct door and join with you? Why is it that we, people who do vote our conscious and principles for freedom and liberty always have to join you? How about for a change, all of you come and join with us. Because this silly argument that a vote for Gary Johnson is a vote for Obama is ridiculous. What if everyone who was going to vote Romney voted for Johnson? So that argument can go both directions IMHO!
@ThePainefulTruth Well, I hate to say this and I'll probably catch some flack for it. But, that's why I don't inject religion into my politics. My faith is something that's very personal to me and I just don't bring it up in political discussions. I think this somehow carried over from the Constitutional purism or bust article. Where a few other posters were giving biblical reasons for not allowing gay marriage. I think that's where this all started at and has spilled over here somewhat.
I successfully made the argument that the feds have no authority under the Constitution to regulate marriage. Does that mean that I'm all for gay marriage. No, I don't agree with it, but the feds have no say so in the matter and shouldn't have a say in it. As abhorrent as I think abortion is, look what happens when the feds get involved with it, Roe v Wade. Do I want men with good morals, ethics and principles representing me as my legislators? Of course I do, but I don't want him or her legislating morality on the rest of us.
That's not his/her job, the job or the proper role of government should be to first and foremost secure my liberty and private property rights. Without those, the rest is meaningless IMHO."You are not to inquire how your trade may be increased, nor how you are to become a great and powerful people, but how your liberties can be secured; for liberty ought to be the direct end of your Government." Patrick Henry- June 4, 1788
I'm out guys, going on vacation today, I'll catch up when I get back!
2 years, 5 months ago on James Madison: putting principle over pragmatism
@findingthetruth Yes, but there is one caveat, and that is this. Never argue with a fool, people might not be able to tell the difference.
@findingthetruth Agreed, I'd just quit feeding the trolls and maybe they'll go away