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The huge thing that was left out of this is that McD was set to become a UFA because he stayed in college so long. If you recall, even after we got him it was no sure thing he was gonna sign, and we needed Step to work on him just to get him here.
Everyone loves to bag on the Habs for that one, but all they "gave up" was a player they would have lost anyway.
9 months, 3 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://nyrangersblog.com/
If I'm a goalie for the Wolfpack, I take a dog sled to get to the Garden. NHL contracts are paying 10x's as much as they get on a two way. That's like making a weeks pay in a night. Pack doesn't play until this weekend, so I'd imagine we have a backup.
1 year, 1 month ago on Talbot Gets Start Tonight With Lundqvist Sick; Comtemplate Kevin DeLury As Backup
I don't think Torts did nearly as much to change the team as Renney did. Renney completely turned around the mindset. Torts was pretty much just an extension of Renney with a more brash demeanor, and PP worse then the one that got Renney fired.
1 year, 3 months ago on A Thank You To John Tortorella
When you're using the Iggy deal to figure Cammalleri's price, keep in mind that Iggy had a full NMC. Cammalleri has a limited NTC. If I remember correctly, the Flames got a better offer from the Bruins then the Pens, but Iggy would only take the Pens deal.
1 year, 3 months ago on Rangers Could Make Trade Deadline Push for Cammalleri; Rangers Talk Del Zotto With Leafs
Who's Fatso to talk. You don't see Hank calling him out for playing with extra chins.
1 year, 5 months ago on Brodeur Criticizes Lundqvist for Extra Padding
If Brassard keeps playing like he did last night, Slats offers to Step are gonna start going down. The kid needs to save as much face as he can, gets signed and start working on making us forget about this mess.
1 year, 5 months ago on Rangers/Stepan Harden Stances
@queensbee It's not about the money from Slats end, it's about the Cap hit. $500k at the start of the season adds up to alot more at the deadline. Also, Step is the one with nowhere else to go. The Rangers have plenty of depth at center right now. All Step can do is hold out, which means he doesn't get paid and doesn't get any closer to arbitration. He's the one who should be asking if all that is worth it for $500K per year.
1 year, 5 months ago on Stepan/Rangers About $1 Million Apart
@rangersfan The team would have to be willing to part with a 1st and 3rd round pick, and all the teams with the cap room to do that would be giving up a top 10 pick.
@FREE LINDBERG The Sedin's and AV have stumbled out of the playoffs early so many times, why would you EVER want to put them back together?
1 year, 6 months ago on Did the Blackhawks & Crawford Just Eff the Rangers?
@KevinDeLury @BuckarooClub I didn't think was the case, and that recapture was more of a penalty for deals that were signed on the old CBA. Under the new CBA you're limited to how much you can "cheat" the hit, since it can't fall by more then half the highest year, and can't drop too much in any given season.
If you check cap geek, the only contracts that pop up on the recapture calculator are old deals. Rask's deal should apply, because it goes as high as $7.5 and as low as $6.5, but it's not there.
The worst part about all the recent goaltender deals is that not only are they getting big money, they're getting big money for a bunch of RFA deals. None of these recent contracts are straight UFA deals, which is what Hank's will be.
As far as giving him 8 years, I think that's they way to go. I'm not worried about how he'll look on the end of the deal, because I don't think he's the type of guy who's gonna hang around just to cash a check. Hank is too much of a competitor. If he can't play at a high level, I think he walks away. If he still wants to play, perhaps he retires to Frolunda and plays a bit more.
The other plus to handing him the 8 years is we can use the extra years to control his cap. Give the guy 2 seasons at $10 upfront, let him be the first NHL player to hit $10 mil per, because he deserves it more then anyone else in the league. Under the new CBA, contracts can still drop by half their value, so put two years at $5 per on the end. If he's still playing at this point (and that's a pretty good if) he's chasing Cups and history, not paying his bills. $5 mil per shouldn't be a problem, and keeps his cap hit for those 4 seasons at a VERY reasonable $7.5 per. Fill in the middle 4 years with some progression going from $9 per to $6 per and we've got a deal that works for everyone.
I still think the biggest obstacle for getting him back is showing him we can get him a Cup. We need to show him we can give him some support if we want him to stick around.
@KevinDeLury @DanW To be clear, NCAA guys COULD play, but if they wanted to, they would have to pay for everything themselves.
Not pointing it out be a stickler, pointing it out because I think it's one more example of how STUPID the NCAA's are. They wouldn't take away a chance for a cello student to perform with the Philadelphia Orchestra, or an engineering student the chance to intern at Google, but they won't allow athletes the same opportunity.
1 year, 6 months ago on Rangers Release Traverse City Roster
Even if BR retired at the end of this season, we'd still have a $10 mil recapture penalty. It would be spread out between next season and 2019-20, costing us about $1.5 per season
1 year, 9 months ago on You Can Kiss Tortorella's Ass
Ok, so it seems that Jeff Gorton's story has morphed from a resume to a tall tale somewhere along the way here. Jeff Gorton was the assistant GM under Mike O'Connell. O'Connell was fired on March 25th 2006. Peter Chiarelli came over from the Senators, where he was their assistant GM, on May 26th 2006.
The 2006 NHL Draft was held in Vancouver, June 24-25. And that's where the Rask trade happened.
Everything that we love to credit Gorton with happened with Chiarelli in the room, and Chiarelli, the guy who built the Bruins Cup team, canned Gorton within a year of showing up in Boston. I've got no problem giving credit where it's do, but these Gorton stories are really starting to depart from reality.
1 year, 9 months ago on Jeff Gorton, Bruins Give Hope For The Future
Here's the thing to remember when we talk about Torts "taking" this team to the ECF's last season - Since the lockout, no team who lost in the ECF's has made it made it past the ECF's with the same coach. I believe Laviolette, in Philly, is the only ECF losing coach who still has his job. Losing the ECF's isn't a stepping stone, according to the numbers. It's the end of road for most coach's. Keeping a coach because the team went to the ECF's is only putting off the inevitable.
1 year, 9 months ago on Torts Gone If Rangers Eliminated By Bruins?
@dsclaw88 Torts has been firm that he wants only himself and Sully coaching the team. Another assistant coach isn't going to happen.
Making games like last night the rule, rather then the exception, is what Torts needs to do if he wants to keep this job, or any NHL job. You can't let one game wash away all the other problems. We need someone who can adjust and get the best out of our players night in and night out. The fact that they won when he "just go out there and play" says a lot about what he's bringing (or not bringing) to the table for us.
1 year, 9 months ago on You Still Want Torts Fired?
Or, at least he cares about keeping his job. If this team missed the playoffs with, so many chances to seal their own fate, his seat would be hotter then ever this summer.
1 year, 10 months ago on The Torts Fist Pump!
@KevinDeLury @Melissa (blknblueshirts) Those venues aren't the same. If the league wanted that, we could have hosted this thing years ago. They wanted Yankee Stadium. It's the gem.
I kind of like the idea that they're bending all the rules for us. It's like when Springsteen tours. He plays a couple nights all over the world, and then like 15 straight days in NY/NJ. The way I see it, the Rangers are SUCH a big thing, they have no choice but to give us multiple games. We're just that much bigger then everyone else.
1 year, 10 months ago on Rangers Will Play Two Outdoor Games Next Season
@GLENsatherVSglennDANZIG I wouldn't be shocked to find out that the Rangers ASKED to not these count as home games. They will draw at Garden for 41 home games and fill the stadium with fans for 2 more this way.
@Melissa (blknblueshirts) It was always going to be a while until we got a Winter Classic. "The Pinstripe Bowl" is booked at Yankee Stadium.
@queensbee Your original point was that we have Torts to give "an interesting presser". As much as Torts claims he doesn't like the media, he goes out of his way to feed it with his nonsense and antics, often under the guise that he's protecting the players.
My point is, having someone who wants to be the lighting rod isn't a bad thing. I think Slats, or Brian Burke, have both shown they can handle that role very well, allowing the people doing the heavy lifting to stay in the shadows, and do their jobs. I think JD, who you suggested, can do this for a team too.
Torts on the other hand, wants to be the lightning rod, and the everything else. He's not getting you to watch the right hand, so you don't see what he's doing with the left, he needs to be both hands, and make sure there are no other appendages on the body.
1 year, 10 months ago on Brian Burke Linked to Rangers
@KevinDeLury @shishya100 As I said elsewhere though, the big knock on Clark to me is his lack of ability to do well with our 1st rounders. He sees to leave alot of talent on the board with his choices. We've had great success with the late round picks under him, but that seems like it has to have a lot more to do with local scouts finding us guys off the radar.
@queensbee JD would be another name to think about. He'd be able to do what Slats and Burke too, give us an established presence with an inside track on hockey's old boys network. Spit out old stories and canned responses that give writers plenty of copy to keep them happy without ever telling them everything. I wouldn't overlook Schoeny to get promoted into that position either.
As far Torts giving an "entertaining presser", part of the problem is that Torts wants to do more then that. Slats knows his role. He has people under him to do the heavy lifting. Torts wants to get his face on camera, but refuses to bring in the people (assistants) who can cover the big gaps in what he brings as a coach.
@PenaltySh0t @jtf1218 The Kessel trade wasn't anything CLOSE to as bad as having the Rick D debacle on your resume, and Gordie Clark was knee deep in that pile.
@shishya100 looking more and more like you might be only half right on your "legitimate prospects" assesment. Although, having seen him up close a few times, I'm liking McIllrath more and more. I'm not sure he's gonna be top pair, but I think he can certainly be projected to fill a huge role for us with steady play and a HUGE physical presence.
I don't think Burke would be the worst thing to happen to the Rangers front office. I think we're always going to have a big name/personality in that role. That's just who we are. Having a guy like Burke, to spit out "hockey talk" to reporters, without saying anything, and who keeps the old boys network that runs hockey happy is just fine. We've got someone like Gorton behind the scenes, feeding him facts, numbers and analysis.
As far as Gordie Clark goes, I'm not sure he'd be the guy at all. Gordie's inability to fire to in the 1st round is a bit concerning. The players he's "found" have been late picks, which is a nice bonus, but leads me to believe that's more about lower level scouts finding these players and passing things along, since they tend to be off the radar of the rest of this league. I haven't seen enough from Gordie to get past his involvement in the DiPietro to the Isles fiasco at this point.
Gravey is right on. When you look at Staal and Girardi both getting north of $3 mil per, after three years with the team, when neither of them made the impact MDZ did, or was as young as MDZ, it's tough to see the kid as greedy is he just wants $3 mil.
If we're NOT willing to commit $3 mil to him, sell high on this kid. An offer sheet of anything up to $3.3 only costs the offering team a 2nd rd pick.
2 years, 1 month ago on Del Zotto Seeking Contract Worth More Than $3 Million Per
What, exactly, did Fehr do " to create stability in the NHL in an attempt to end the cycle of labor stoppages that have enveloped the sport"? I didn't see one thing in the NHLPA's offers or operations during this labor dispute that showed any concern for creating stability. Fehr had plenty of opportunity, given his position as the controlling force behind the NHLPA, he simply did nothing other then try to stand his ground.
The NHL came in crying poor, claiming 18 of it's 30 teams were losing money. Fehr never once provided evidence to dispute this. The NHL wanted to start talks by redefining HRR, to make it truly reflect the expenses associated with operating an NHL team, but Fehr and the PA refused to consider that.
Fehr gave in to the 50/50 split, with little opposition, reducing how much money every player in the league stands to make. Instead he fought the NHL for greater variation from year to year, and longer contracts - things what won't help productive NHL players make more, but will only allow more under performing players to keep eating up cap space and taking revenue from more deserving players.
If Fehr wanted to bring stability, he should have come with ideas on how to do that. He never once showed that. His motivation was only to keep as much of the staus quo as possible. Opening up talks by examining the definition of HRR, and creating a definition that reflects what it takes to run a team today would be a good start. Next, closing the loopholes that allow teams, players and agents to abuse the salary cap that was designed to bring financial stability to the league would seem like the fair thing to do.
Now with the owners expenses covered, and salary cap hits reflecting the true value of the deals, Fehr could have started talking about how to slice up the NEW pie. Sure the NFL and NBA just signed 50/50 splits, but those leagues don't promise the owners that they CAN'T lose money. In the NHL, you expenses are now coming off the top. The owners do little more then provide some bridge loans. Fehr, having given the owners the cost certainty and profit certainty they wanted, could now ask for a BIGGER slice of the pie for his players, maybe a 65/35 or 70/30, and would have made the owners look bad for not giving it to him.
Fehr didn't do anything like that though, cause he knew the deal the players had was too good to be true in this economic climate, and that getting a fair deal, that would bring stability would have brought the NHLPA joy ride to fast halt.
2 years, 1 month ago on Will the Cycle of Labor Strife Finally End?
@scrangersfan @KevinDeLury Fehr drastically overestimates how much money there is to be had. It's not baseball. The sooner he realizes that, the better.
2 years, 2 months ago on NHL Apparently Not Interested in Negotiating
@KevinDeLury The teams are worth hundreds of millions of dollars, but you've got to find a buyer, and as we've seen, it's not always that easy. Plus, as soon as 12 owners put up their NHL teams all at once, those values plummets.
I think the numbers that came out a few weeks ago, that pointed to the Rangers, Leafs, and Habs making up such a huge amount of the league revenue were very telling. Also, Brooksie pointed out who the Rangers are spending less then 10% of their revenue to get to cap ceiling, while the Isles as spending close to 60% to get to the floor.
There's a big gap between the "haves' and the "have nots" in the NHL, and there's ALOT more "have nots". The players seem too anxious to squeeze every nickel out of the "haves' today, rather then bringing more of the "have nots" up to the level where league really becomes successful.
The thing is, if you're taking the owners claims that the bulk of them aren't making money at face value, and to this point Fehr hasn't done anything to show that those numbers are false, then the owners only have so much room to "negotiate". It doesn't help them to sign a deal that forces teams to lose money to operate.
I think the owners are prepared to cancel the season at this point, they just don't want to give the NHLPA the opportunity to blame it on the league alone.
I was thinking just about the same thing as Gravey. If the president has time to inspire a deadlocked group to come up with a deal that's best for the people, why doesn't he walk over to Congress?
2 years, 2 months ago on President Barack Obama Tells NHL, NHLPA to Solve Lockout
@MarkFox I don't see where this post, or the HF post called anyone the "Top NHL ORGANIZATION".
The HF headline was "Team Rankings: Anaheim Ducks continue to have solid talent at all positions"
And the headline here was "Rangers #17 in Organizational Rankings".
HF has always done things this way, they found their niche in covering players BEFORE they really even hit the radars of traditional NHL sources.
2 years, 2 months ago on Rangers #17 in Organizational Rankings
@KevinDeLury @MarkFox Bingo Kev! I was just posting the same thing above.
OK, so let's all breathe deep for a second and check out HOW Hockey Future ranks prospects, and how they do their organizational prospect rankings. There's a handy link right here ....
This article points out that Hagelin is not longer considered a "prospect" by their criteria, so take every young player who's played MORE games with the Rangers (McD, Stepan, MDZ etc) and throw them out the window too. This is about the the guys teams have drafted and how they are progressing to fill holes down the road.
Having taken in a few Whale games so far this season, I think I'd lean towards sending him. While the Whale has had some success, after catching a Phantoms v Sound Tigers game the other night, I'm a bit more concerned about the efforts being put into developing these guys by our staff.
Schenn and Coutourier aren't only dominating the AHL competition, they are doing it while learning the roles the Flyers would like to see them in down the road. Ditto for Nino with the Sound Tigers. Coutourier and Schenn are on an attacking PK together. Coutourier QB's the PP. The Isles have Nino setting up, Stamkos style, high slot and he's the end game for their top PP. With the Whale, it seems Gerander is just putting these guys out their and letting them go.
Let Miller go to the tourney. We're talking about 9 games during the lull of a 70 game NHL season. Let him get some experience against top players in his age group. Canada is planning on bringing Nugent-Hopkins, provided the NHL isn't back on the ice, so the idea that the Rangers wouldn't release Miller is kinda far fetched. There's more to be gained then lost in sending him.
2 years, 3 months ago on The Argument for Miller Playing on U.S. World Jr. Team
As far as the "normal costs of life", the thing that seems a bit off in that argument is how many players don't even want to hear offers from the teams in cities that are the cheapest to live in. How many guys won't even pick up the phone when their agent tells them Buffalo or Edmonton are calling? How many guys rave about the experience of living in NYC when they sign here?
Better yet, why isn't Fehr fighting for some of floating stipend level, that would adjust cost of living expenses for players making close to the league minimum in large, expensive cities, vs those in less expensive regions. This isn't even something on the players radar.
2 years, 3 months ago on The Reality Of The Average NHL Salary
@stevenabsmith But what really is the demand? Look at foreign leagues, the closest is the KHL, and they have a hard cap that's only HALF what the NHL offers. The players tell us the owners are a greedy, selfish, evil bunch, but rather then being glad their contracts are over, and looking for a better league to play in, they couldn't be more anxious to do business with these same 30 owners. Granted, that's because no one else is really knocking down their doors with offers to start a new league for them to play in, but still, if the jobs that bad find a new one.
@cachildress1 @eggs They knew the choices and chances coming in too. Look a grunt working in a lab at a place like Sloan-KIttering. Grinding away at research, dedicating their lives to their studies so they could get the grades the needed to get the education they needed to get the job, sacrificing just as much as a player, and at less compensation. The difference is, they're not playing a game, they're trying to cure a disease that effects most of the world.
@studuncan @eggs If you're "not as good at your job" as Jason Strudwick, I'd be amazed you have a job.
Outside of Fehr telling Bettmen he missed his musk and they should be roomates when this is all over, I'm not sure what exactly the NHLPA would want to meet about. They told the league up front they didn't want to negotiate on the leagues proposal and didn't want to make a new proposal.
I think Kev is right here. They did us a favor.
2 years, 4 months ago on Back to the Drawing Board for CBA Talks
@KevinDeLury Yeah, but I don't think they can really come down much lower, and he's just looking to play these years out anyway, since the Rangers weren't looking to buy any other years from him. At least now he will know where he stands as far as hitting UFA status. I still think if they come down, he could be a pretty ripe target for an offer sheet. He'd be a good fit a lot of places, and it's not a big deal to make even a 2 year offer closer to $3 mil when you are only giving up a 2nd rounder for him.
2 years, 4 months ago on NHL's Proposed Redden Rule Could Negatively Affect Rangers in 2013-14
Regarding MDZ, I don't think the Rangers could drop much more. As it is, it only costs a second rounder if a team wants him. That's not a big price at all for the upside he offers.
@craig_atherton If we share salary/hit I think he could be a pretty easy move. Redden has a $6.5 mil hit, but is only due to make $5 mil. If we picked up $2.5 mil of his hit/salary we'd gain $4 mil in cap (better then a buyout even) and some would be getting him for $2.5 mil, which isn't horrible.
@upstate tom A couple things to consider here....
1. The NHL's original offer was low, but I think they had to open that way, because where they NEED to get to is so far away from where the old CBA was. Look at the last two deals and they are right in the middle of the owners opening and the current CBA. The opening was bound to be a bit dramatic too, after then players pretty much squashed their re-alignment proposal without a second look.
2. The thing about contracts like Suter and Parise deals is that even when those guys signed, they knew that their actual salary was dependent on the CBA. NHL contracts aren't for real money, they're for the share of HRR that salary represents against the teams cap. With cap cheating deals having blown a hole in the old CBA, teams who wanted to land top players were forced to compete were forced to compete under these new rules, or their offers wouldn't be enough. As much as the owners GAVE these deals, guys like Suter and Parise RUSHED to sign them. They knew it was too good to be true, and they wouldn't see anything nearly as good when the league had a chance to get itself back in order.
3. I think the owners are trying to "deal with the problem with some common sense". Their most recent proposal really showed that. It didn't just work to close the loopholes that were in the old cap, it actually wants to penalize the teams that created and exploited those loop holes. This not only forces them to take responsibility, but should serve as a warning to owners/managers/agents looking for loopholes in a new deal that they won't be able to hide their mistakes. The owners have tried on a lot of issues, but Fehr simply refuses to talk.
2 years, 4 months ago on NHL Makes Latest Proposal Available Online, NHLPA Counters with Response Letter to Players
@upstate tom I think the owners are in a bit of a spot because the NHLPA doesn't even want to negotiate. The owners are the only ones actually taking on expenses while we wait for this thing to play out. I think it's more about trying to make something happen one way or another at this point.
If the players walk from this one, and still don't come back with something workable, I think that the owners will close up shop for the season. It will allow them to cut office staff and open up venue dates for other sources of income. I'm hoping that's not the case though.
@KevinDeLury @jdellave I'll add that the fact that you'd be talking about a whole different league makes it a bit easier too. They don't have to be your FAVORITE team, just the team you dislike less then the other teams in the league.
2 years, 4 months ago on Fehr Meets With Rangers Players
@KevinDeLury @jdellave If the Rangers aren't in existence, it's not really cheating. I'm not EAGER to support another NY hockey team, but if that's what it takes to watch hockey sign me up.
Fehr seems to think the NHL is bluffing on how profitable hockey can be under the current CBA. A new hockey league is the only way Fehr can call that bluff. I, personally, don't think it works, but atleast we could watch hockey while it falls on it's face, and then eventually the players come back to real NHL with reasonable goals for a contract.
If the league IS able to stay afloat financially under the terms of the NHLPA CBA proposal, then it shows the owners are jerks who've been killing seasons on us just to line their own pockets, and that would help ease any feelings of "cheating". After all, they would have started it by cheating us.
The new league is the real test that will push this thing one way or the other. If Fehr thought he numbers were good, he'd be up playing the idea, at the very least to put the owners on edge. I think he knows it wouldn't work though. In which case, it's time he started dancing with the only date he's got - Bettmen.
@KevinDeLury No problem. I appreciate you guys giving us a place to let off a little steam. I have no problem with the players making money, but what's frustrating is that the NHL's offer is so much better then anything else Fehr and NHLPA have, and they refuse to move on it. If the offer is horrible, come back with a counter, and tell us WHY you don't like what you're offering.
While I don't like the fact that their isn't hockey, I can understand where the owners are coming from. They have come forward and said that 18 teams are losing money, and they need to refine the system to make things work. They've also can point to inflation and rising operating costs as their reason for the teams financial woes. If the Fehr could come up with one other place where his guys could get the deal the NHLPA wants, it might be easier to see what the players are waiting for, but it's simply not there.
If Fehr were smart, he'd be crafting an offer that puts EVERYTHING necessary to run a hockey team into HRR. The owners complaint has been that overhead is through the roof. Come up with a way to control their overhead, and now the players are simply fighting for a bigger share of the profit.
First, have the league handle travel, accommodations, and meal cash for every team. A group of players and owners meet each off season, and create a list of acceptable locations and means of travel from city to city, the league uses that list and books everything, the expenses come right off the top, before any split.
Next, have the owners and players agree on a list of personal that is crucial to the operations of the hockey team. Every team might not have the same number of people in theses positions, but every team has them. Break these people into main groups Coaches, Medical Staff, Scouting and Player Development, Front Office Hockey Operations, Front Office Marketing, and Game Day Staff. Everyone who's job falls into one of these defined positions has to have their terms of employment and tax info submitted to the league, making them all 100% transparent. The league averages all these salaries, and gives a credit for the average salary of each group to each team. In essence, it creates a soft cap. Teams can spend more then the average on these positions, but they have to make up the difference out of their own pocket. Again, the money for this comes off the top.
Finally, run all player insurance, retirement, etc through the league, rather then the team. Players will benefit from consistency, no matter what team they are on, and with the league in charge the expense for this will also come off the top.
Now that he's taken all the major expenses of running a team out of the owners hands, the owners and players are talking about how to split of the profit. Anything either side gets now should be gravy. Rather then insisting on rich teams simply handing poor teams money, why not look to allow teams to include cash in trades, or at very least pick up portions of players salaries. Both of these would have the same effect as revenue sharing, but the teams with the cash would be getting something in return for their generosity.
Fehr needs to do SOMETHING, sitting around an waiting hasn't worked so far.
2 years, 4 months ago on NHL Lockout: CBA Negotiations Could Get Ugly Fast