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@Prodigy-X [Thunder 2015 NBA Champs] @Keith00 Actually, no. Rose was bad the entire time he played between the first major injury and the second. What exactly makes you say he was getting better?
Also, the fact that Rose's game is so predicated on being an elite athlete makes me seriously question whether he will EVER be an elite player again.
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@Prodigy-X [Thunder 2015 NBA Champs] Why is Derrick Rose so high? He hasn't been any good since his injuries. He was bad for Chicago before reinjury, he was bad for team USA.
Honestly though Curry is the one that is making it silly. When Curry was just a shooter with no defense, you could ignore him a little in favor of Parker's solid team defense and psychic ability to get to the hoop. Now, I just can't see it. Paul is the epitome of the prototypical PG, Russ is the athletic freak who dominates opponents, and Curry is a shooter the likes of which the league has never seen. Parker is comfortably in the pack with other great PG who aren't contenders for the PG crown.
@Hustle Westbrook Morrow Faction I agree if Perk is starting. Playing 3 on 5 with Roberston or 3.5 on 5 with Lamb is just continuing a pattern of overworking our stars. Morrow is the only SG on the roster that legitimately gives Russ and KD some space on the perimeter.
That said, Kid Kiwi can finish on a PnR and at least has a pulse in the post. If he starts, that's not exactly a terrible compromise for playing Roberson.
@FunakiEjectsAnother [#StartLambFaction] @Keith00 @DoubleJ13 GSW I thought that was more to do with Curry being such a bad defender. That also kind of makes the case for playing Roberson less. Players who cannot score or at least threaten opposing defense make the rest of the team a lot easier to defend (Tony Allen).
2 days, 1 hour ago on Monday Bolts – 9.29.14
@FunakiEjectsAnother [#StartLambFaction] @DoubleJ13 Why wouldn't he be guarded by opposing PGs most of the time? Unless Reggie starts, we could just do the same thing with Lamb/Roberson/Morrow if the PG switches onto one of them.
@_justin @Keith00 @Hoodzy Fouling is a common issue with rookie big men, and more often it lessens with time. Since going small is still our best option, it's not like he needs to play 30 minutes even as a starter.
2 days, 2 hours ago on Monday Bolts – 9.29.14
@Hoodzy Don't tease me, Scotty. If the center position is actually open, we know Kid Kiwi would win any competition.
@Crow @Keith00 @nowthatsThunderBball That's certainly possible, we've seen very mediocre players get serious money already. I just don't think Reggie is really that good. He's another who fairs quite poorly in RPM. I don't think any team will be able to talk itself into Reggie being a building block of a good team (he's already started a lot last year and really didn't make an impact other than being average).
I just find it so hard to fathom because of the glut of better PGs in the league. If a team is committing a lot of money, they will expect it to give them a real advantage on the court. Reggie doesn't do that as a starter. I just see teams being more likely to try and draft a PG with upside than overpay a PG whose best position is off the bench.
1 week, 2 days ago on Monday Bolts – 9.22.14
@Crow @Keith00 @nowthatsThunderBball I have already said that I think Reggie's market value is somewhere between 7 and 9 million per year. I think Jennings is actually a very accurate comparison. Both are terrible defenders with below average shooting and efficiency. Jennings is actually a better passer, but Reggie is the better scorer. Jennings got 8 million and is playing terribly with Detroit. Reggie is unlikely to just bust with the Thunder, but they will probably note during negotiations that guys truly comparable to Reggie are generally not living up to their contracts over 6 million.
@Crow @Keith00 @nowthatsThunderBball Lin was considered overpaid early and vastly overpaid late. If Reggie wanted to use Lin as a comparable, Presti could counter that Lin was the product of hype that Reggie doesn't have and he never lived up to the contract anyway.
@nowthatsThunderBball @Keith00 Reggie would need to become a Tony Allen-esque defender to even begin approaching Bledsoe as a comparable player. Offensively, Bledsoe is also considerably more efficient on slightly higher usage.
@Joo_seppi @Keith00 Thank you. 2 and 3 make perfect sense. 1 is less clear to me since Minnesota already has a good PG (poor scorer, but elite everywhere else). Would they really have been interested in Reggie even if they don't get Bledsoe?
@nowthatsThunderBball @Keith00 That's understandable, and completely justifiable. What I fail to understand still is how that would be connected to Bledsoe or any other max player. I'm fine with bumping Reggie's contract up by whatever percentage the cap increases. But there's nothing to stop that as part of the negotiation now and to remain within reason (7-9 million a year).
I don't much understand how Bledsoe's contract will affect Reggie. Reggie is nowhere near the level of player as Bledsoe. I also read Pelton's chat on Friday and thought it was accurate. Based on actually comparable players, Reggie should expect about 8 million per year. Presti should absolutely start low with the mid-level exception and see how much Reggie's camp values getting that contract early.
Now, obviously we have seen a number of players from good teams get more money simply because "they're winners." But Reggie has very little evidence to suggest near max production. Look at his numbers last year, even with Westbrook out, and you see a very average starter. He's a non-shooter/non-defender who doesn't have elite passing skills. He's not an advanced stat darling like Harden was. He's not an outside the box score (defense) superstar like Bledsoe or Rubio. He's not some super elite athlete who can't help but get even better like Westbrook or Wall. Reggie is a fine starter if you don't have one, but he's not someone you build a team around. Why there's talk of getting the max or near max at a position that is incredibly deep is beginning to feel crazy to me.
@King of Carrot Flowers the third @Keith00 @FunakiEjectsAnother [#StartLambFaction] Fair enough. But I don't want to change the pace from three superstars to zero. Unless I can perfectly match my bench lineup against an opposing bench lineup, I'm still putting myself at a disadvantage. I also just generally like off-beat rotations. I think current coaching when it comes to substitutions is generally bland and overly conservative.
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@OBoy (LaFamilia) @Keith00 @bmuelle23 @FunakiEjectsAnother [#StartLambFaction] Goodell has sucked in terms of making smart decisions. If people want to attack him for being a shitty commissioner, they should, because he's continually dropped the ball. As for the league making a new rule whenever a sponsor gets mad, maybe the league should have better management of their people in place so that there isn't a fire to put out every other week. If Goodell had come out and said, "This is a travesty, and we won't put up with it. Rice is banned indefinitely" from day one, the sponsors wouldn't have had to look like A-holes for supporting the NFL (and Goodell) right now.
@King of Carrot Flowers the third @Keith00 @FunakiEjectsAnother [#StartLambFaction] My point is that if I was a coach, I would never have full-bench lineups. I mean, I've got three NBA stars who can easily play 32-35 minutes per game. Why would I ever give the opposing team a chance to beat us up without any of my stars on the court?
@bmuelle23 @FunakiEjectsAnother [#StartLambFaction] The NFL isn't the least bit unstable. They are a 10 billion dollar juggernaut that isn't going anywhere even if they came out and said they didn't care about domestic abuse (which is their real stance). I wish there would have been more accountability for criminal acts already, but here we are. If replacing Goodell changes that, then let's do it and I don't care about mob mentality. If people are getting mad at Goodell just to spout self-righteous garbage, then I could do without it.
@King of Carrot Flowers the third @Keith00 @FunakiEjectsAnother [#StartLambFaction] I don't like looking at them as two teams. That tends to be how a lot of coaches sub (going full bench for certain stretches), but it always seemed unimaginative and counterproductive. I see the bench as placeholders around the stars, guys that should be interchangeable based on the team or situation we face. So off the bench but starter minutes would be fine too, but I'd also rather clobber teams early so that we can experiment or rest more early.
@OBoy (LaFamilia) @Keith00 We do, but sensibility is not the same as likelihood. Brooks hasn't shown that kind of flexibility with the starters. I think SG is the ONLY position that has a chance of changing in the starting lineup this year, no matter how smart it might be to bench Perkins.
@King of Carrot Flowers the third @Keith00 @FunakiEjectsAnother [#StartLambFaction] I think it's time for Adams to force his way into the starting lineup. Wouldn't it be awesome if he jumped out of the gate and put up like 5 straight double-doubles and showed some real progress as a PnR partner with Russ? Do you think there's any chance Perk could be moved to the bench if Adams is killing it?
KD at the 4
We brought on Morrow to shoot, and he's not going to get those juice open threes on the bench. Roberson is a very much a young Thabo clone, no offense and all. Reggie might be our 4th best player, but it would make for a tiny backcourt. Lamb hasn't shown the skills to be a better fit. Perry really shouldn't be a 2, and it further marginalizes our already crowded SG rotation. KD isn't moving to the 4 until he starts losing athleticism.
@King of Carrot Flowers the third @Keith00 @FunakiEjectsAnother [#StartLambFaction] Do we have much evidence to back that up? In his limited minutes he's been inconsistent between decent and terrible, but more often bad than good. He's still just an average shooter despite a great looking release. He's shown very little defensive aptitude.
I'll admit he's shown some flashes of being a solid passer at the SG spot, but he's light years behind Reggie in that regard.
@King of Carrot Flowers the third @FunakiEjectsAnother [#StartLambFaction] We should trade him for that Hasheem Thabeet guy. Former #2 overall, maybe he just needs a new situation to shine. :-p
@FunakiEjectsAnother [#StartLambFaction] Robes, Lamb just doesn't do anything that other players don't do better. We need shooters, bring in Morrow. We need to jumpstart a stagnating offense, bring in Jackson. We need to defend someone on the wing, bring in Roberson. We're talking role players here, so what role can Lamb realistically play?
@King of Carrot Flowers the third @Keith00 @Jabb0310 @El Prez I understand. I did note earlier that I see a difference between corporal punishment and abuse. I don't mean to belittle your view on that.
And I agree that I'm tired of the league playing reactionary to everything that happens. My problem is that I have absolutely zero faith that the league would do ANYTHING right if it wasn't forced by the mob. Look at concussions, something the league has known about for over a decade but only acted upon once the public became outraged. Look at the crap with the replacement refs. If the fans hadn't been getting up in arms, would the league have EVER decided to bring back the real thing?
I've had qualms with the NFL for a long time already in how they deal with criminal behavior, and how their players never seem to be held accountable. I'm not happy to be part of a mob, but I'll take it if it is the only way to see positive change actually take place.
@FunakiEjectsAnother [#StartLambFaction] @King of Carrot Flowers the third @Keith00 @gokudabest Blowouts help, but you can't exactly schedule those. How nice would it be to have a blowout on the first game of each back to back, eh? I also think Morrow helps build blowouts, since his presence makes it a lot easier to run up point early and put teams away.
@FunakiEjectsAnother [#StartLambFaction] @Keith00 @SeinfeldOKC I dunno, I just don't see it as different from any other two good teams playing each other. I mean, would you say the Clips are rivals with the Spurs? I think a lot of players hate Blake Griffin and the Clips because they are such dedicated floppers. But when we play them, other than a minor worry about our defense showing up, I just expect to win.
I didn't really consider the Heat rivals since we only played them in the finals once. Every other game was a marquee matchup just because both teams were good and sported MVP caliber players. The teams didn't seem to genuinely hate each other.
@SeinfeldOKC I wouldn't really call the Clips a rival, nor the Warriors. The Grizz definitely because we've had some great playoff series, same with San Antonio. The Rockets kind of because they have Harden, but they've yet to really step up to the plate as a real roadblock. The Warriors and Clips are just good teams in our conference. Neither are really as good as we are, neither have beaten us in anything important.
@King of Carrot Flowers the third @FunakiEjectsAnother [#StartLambFaction] @Keith00 @gokudabest I personally want Morrow to start. I feel like we've been overworking Russ and KD for so long (propping up Thabo and Perk.... ugh... Perk), they deserve some breathing room. Maybe the best thing for their long term health is making what minutes they play less strenuous.
@King of Carrot Flowers the third @Jabb0310 @Keith00 @El Prez I don't think the heart can be in the right place when it chooses to harm others. Ray Rice and his wife are reportedly working through everything, does that make what he did any less terrible? Peterson is sorry he hurt his son so badly, but that doesn't take back the bruises and psychological trauma he has already caused.
The problem is that the facts are already there, but no one seems to have the balls to do anything about it. Peterson, a grown man, injured a young boy purposely through repeatedly hitting him with a stick. That's a fact. The league choosing to do nothing when the facts aren't changing (similar to the Ray Rice case) is the most troubling part of all.
@King of Carrot Flowers the third @Jabb0310 @Keith00 @El Prez I understand this is a very gray issue with many people. I'm rather incensed by it, which is why I might be arguing more harshly. That said, I have no idea whether Peterson is a good person/father or not. At least one report had the son mentioning that Peterson threatened greater harm if the boy told anyone what happened (a clear sign that he knew what he was doing was wrong).
What if Peterson is really a monster that has been putting on a smile for the cameras? I don't know. If he is, it's better the kid grow up without a father than grow up with an abusive one. But even if Peterson is contrite, he should face the consequences of his actions. If he is truly a good person looking to change, he wouldn't be in prison long if at all.
@King of Carrot Flowers the third @Keith00 @gokudabest Russ is already a lot better defender than Reggie, so having him healthy all year is an upgrade. Thabo also fell off badly last year on both ends of the court. We were still 5th last year on defense, and I expect a bit of a freefall from Indiana.
Also, defense tends to improve with time in the league, so I do think Russ-KD-Ibaka will all be better on that end themselves. Perk does what he does. If Roberson starts, I see very little defensive dropoff at the 2, so general improvement overall. If Morrow starts, I think the starting lineup defense stays about even but Roberson off the bench significantly improves the reserve defense.
@gokudabest Better than the Grizz with a healthy Gasol? I don't see it. I think they could/should be top 3. Memphis #1, Chicago #2, OKC #3.
@OBoy (LaFamilia) @Keith00 @Tvaddic If Thabo hadn't been, just as good. This is one of those things I think we'll be hugely surprised by with Morrow. Even if he doesn't get a lot of shots, even if he can't defend his position, the sheer gravity exerted by an elite shooter has large positive effects on the team. Think about how many legitimately bad defenders the Heat got away with the last 4 years simply because their shooting was enough.
@Jabb0310 @Keith00 @El Prez I don't think injury is a shift in definition. Corporal punishment is about sending a message, about linking negative outcomes with bad decisions. The moment a parent believes that seriously harming their kid is the only way to send the right message, then that parent becomes an abuser. If a mother slaps her son for swearing, it sends a message. If a father breaks his kid's jaw for swearing, he's an abuser. If someone can't understand the difference, then there is something wrong with them and maybe being charged with a felony is the only way to learn.
@Tvaddic It's reeeeeally hard to generate consistent offense against great defensive teams without shooters.
@Jabb0310 @Keith00 @El Prez It's not about vilifying him (though with the media storm, that's inevitable). It's about following through with basic justice.
Consider desegregation. Once segregation was outlawed, it became a crime. It wasn't enforced very well (because it was still in the middle of a generation that thought it was ok), but that didn't make the lawbreakers any more right nor should the law have been lenient the way it was. Consider looking back at it now. We know now that all those good ol' boys that got away with murder were monsters, no matter how good they might have been to their white communities.
Injuring a child is wrong. Even if we go so far as to say Peterson didn't know that it was wrong, it still was. Ignorance does not absolve crimes. And I don't think Peterson is a bad guy, but he's obviously not a great one either.
@Old Man Game @Jabb0310 @El Prez I understand the effects that abuse can have on children. It significantly raises the likelihood that they will abuse their own children. But again, it's still abuse. Allowing a continuation of that cycle is the worst possible thing.
I think Peterson should be forced to take counseling and see a therapist, but he should also charged for the criminal actions he took. If Minnesota and the league have any real moral values, Peterson should be released and banned. There is literally no reason that this shouldn't happen right away either. The legal case has absolutely no bearing on his expulsion from the league. He abused a child. Whether he did so knowing it was abuse or not doesn't actually mean anything. The league isn't waiting on proof of guilt, they just don't want to lose a HOF level player.
@Jabb0310 @El Prez It's reasonable to ask whether it was an honest mistake based on AP's upbringing. That said, we don't let other criminals slide because their parents were criminals. AP might think it's ok, but a lot of people thought slavery was ok at some point. A lot of people thought women shouldn't vote.
Hitting a child to the point of injury is wrong. The end. I don't care if he thought it was justified discipline, he's a grown man and ignorance is not an excuse.
@King of Carrot Flowers the third If Goodell is incompetent, I don't want him in charge of the largest and most powerful sports organization in the world. If he's a liar, I don't want him in charge of the largest and most powerful sports organization in the world.
I can understand being against mob mentality, but hasn't Goodell proven an inability to properly do the job anyway?
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@bmuelle23 This is an accumulation of a lot of things Goodell has already botched. The Ray Rice issue is just the latest, and a lot of people seem to be sick of it.
@BangBangThunder @King of Carrot Flowers the third Yeah, seems legit if the only thing you know about steroids is what you learned from Lifetime dramas.
2 weeks ago on Wednesday Bolts – 9.17.14
@King of Carrot Flowers the third Is he a particularly clever player on the field? He's crazy talented and plays on a loaded team. In terms of NFL potential, quicker decision making and tighter throws are still areas of improvement.
@Perk-Punt I hate hearing anything about the ASG as if it has any bearing on play during games that count.
@Perk-Punt He'll probably have a few monster scoring games against crappy teams that can't even guard James-Love, and ESPN will go bonkers about whether he might be the most important player on the team. Somehow lost in all this he'll still be an atrocious defender who constantly gets injured.
@Bry Bry @Keith00 @FunakiEjectsAnother [#StartLambFaction] I'm actually from Detroit, that one was so strange to me. I mean, Megatron is the bad guy, he also tended to be comically outwitted over and over again. Still sounds cool, but weird to someone who grew up watching transformers.
3 weeks, 1 day ago on Tuesday Bolts – 9.9.14
@Bry Bry I agree. The way media is going today makes it very difficult to gain wide viewer/readership without pandering or going for shock stories (how many ESPN pundits have made entire careers out of purposely saying inflammatory garbage?). I don't know what the perfect solution is, though. I would prefer my news be important, well researched, and accurate. But in a society that needs their news the moment it happens, it's hard to do all of that without losing the lead.
I'd rather take a few bogus stories trying to manufacture news about sexual crimes than have no reports about it as if it doesn't exist.
@FunakiEjectsAnother [#StartLambFaction] The fact that the question is able to ask any one player versus everyone else says enough. It's kind of like when Tiger Woods was on top of the golf world. They used to have polls before every major event asking Tiger versus the field. The smart money is always on the field, but that it's even questionable tells you who the best probably is.