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@Tvaddic Beverly is pretty high on the list, Griffin, Lebron, Rose (lot of backlash from Westbrook supporters since Rose has always been more beloved despite doing less), Perkins is up there, you could go old school with PJ Carlesimo, Ron Artest (though obviously out of the league now), or perhaps good ol' Kobe (does anyone like him who isn't a Laker fan?).
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@GREENE1148 Pretty much every lineup improves when you remove Perk. Can you explain why he's been our starting center instead of Adams/Collison/Ibaka?
1 day, 13 hours ago on Monday Bolts – 10.20.14
I'd really like to see more Adams v. Asik. Not that I expect Adams to dominate an elite defender, but to give him more practice against starting caliber defenses rather than some of the preseason dregs he's dominated.
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@Kong Lambchop @_justin He had to take a year off from the NBA because no one wanted him, it's not just preseason conclusions.
@Hustle Westbrook Morrow Faction @Durants Shimmy @DTVirgin What are we going to call the early season offense?
6 days, 7 hours ago on Wednesday Bolts – 10.15.14
@DanielLawler @harmlesslyfatal @Keith00 @FunakiEjectsAnother [#StartLambFaction] He rebounds well, that usually translates very well. I'm not super high on him myself, but a potential double double guy vs. a score first PG that doesn't actually score efficiently or defend is tougher than you make it sound.
@FunakiEjectsAnother [#StartLambFaction] @Keith00 @DanielLawler @harmlesslyfatal This is what makes it hard. Obviously Randle wouldn't be all that useful on the Thunder playing behind Ibaka, but on sheer talent and skill, you've still gotta think Randle is the better player.
@FunakiEjectsAnother [#StartLambFaction] @DanielLawler @Keith00 @harmlesslyfatal What about Julius Randle?
@FunakiEjectsAnother [#StartLambFaction] @Keith00 @AlexR44 The counter is that both teams have that ability to scout and adjust. They know what the other team will want to attack and the know how they want to attack the other team. In the end, it still comes down to players executing. I would rather have the better player trying to execute than the worse one. Adams doesn't strike me as any more exploitable than Perkins (who is a walking exploit on offense).
@DanielLawler @Keith00 @harmlesslyfatal @FunakiEjectsAnother [#StartLambFaction] Is there really that much different between 75 and 110 at the point? Isn't it kind of nitpicking after the superstars, stars, all-stars, and underrated stars?
@FunakiEjectsAnother [#StartLambFaction] @Keith00 @DanielLawler @harmlesslyfatal 106/30=~3.5. Would Reggie be the third or 4th best player on most teams? If so, then the ranking isn't that crazy. If you think he would definitely be the 2nd or 3rd best player on most teams, I can see your argument, but I would disagree.
@DanielLawler @harmlesslyfatal @FunakiEjectsAnother [#StartLambFaction] I don't know, 106 isn't exactly terrible. 30 teams, 5 starters each is 180. At 107, that tells me Reggie is better than a whole lot of starters. I've said before that he's a lot more average than we are making him out to be lately, so I'm not that upset by the ranking. I expected him to be in the 90s, so a small drop when so many players are relatively equal around him isn't too bad.
@FunakiEjectsAnother [#StartLambFaction] @Keith00 @AlexR44 I think that's faulty reasoning. Adams wasn't ready for what? To play basketball? The exact thing he had been doing better than Perkins almost all year?
The team preaches continuity and development all the time. Rightly so even. But what's the point of emphasizing development when it doesn't give the player any recognition. When it became obvious that Adams had surpassed Perk as a player, why keep him on the bench in limited minutes? Why keep trotting out Jeff Green when Ibaka was so much better suited to play PF? Why keep starting Thabo when the team was struggling to score against Miami?
Ready is a silly thing to say in the playoffs. Despite the narratives, they are not appreciably different than the rest of the season. Teams still tend to play just as well or poorly as they did in the regular season. The increased emotion is how fans view it, not really how players do. Is game one of a finals series REALLY a bigger deal to Steven Adams than game one of his professional career? These guys already know how to handle pressure, else they wouldn't have gotten to the NBA in the first place.
@FunakiEjectsAnother [#StartLambFaction] @Keith00 @AlexR44 Yeah, I did say "might". I don't know if we would have pulled it out, but I think our chances would have been raised significantly.
Perkins reminds me a lot of watching Ben Wallace on offense. The difference is that Wallace was a 4-time DPOY and one of the best rebounders of his era. You literally hoped he would never catch the ball on offense, but he made up for it by doing everything on the other end at the elite of elite level. Perkins just isn't that guy.
@FunakiEjectsAnother [#StartLambFaction] @Keith00 @AlexR44 Again, I think that's the core of the whole argument. It's one thing to get worked up over Perk when there's literally nothing else to replace him with. Adams I think is already better than Perk overall and the team should really be getting him acclimated in his future role.
@AlexR44 @FunakiEjectsAnother [#StartLambFaction] Adams actually defended the heck out of Duncan. Limited sample, but Duncan didn't eat up everyone that defended him.
@AlexR44 @Keith00 Well sure, but people have been seriously bashing Perkins since well before we knew that. There's real reason to believe the team might have a championship already (2012) if Perkins hadn't been the starting center. Perkins is just not a good player in high minutes anymore, and people are going to be mad about that until it changes.
The salary sucks, but none of us actually play that salary. The thing fans care about are wins, and Perk is generally a detriment to getting those.
@_justin @DanielLawler @Keith00 While I'm not really on the intangibles train, I can't deny that there is some value in continuity. That said, Perk won't be back next year. I see value in working in his replacement earlier rather than later, even if Perkins wasn't a train wreck on the court.
@Boomtown Did you miss the part where both the university AND the police covered up for Winston? I mean, this is barely news. Until someone actually is able to bring a serious corruption case against these institutions, this is just the status quo.
@AlexR44 In all seriousness, Perk simply wouldn't get the vitriol he does if he played the role he is suited for: 2nd big off the bench. I mean, it would still hurt to know the team was paying him so much, but at least he could focus on what he does best and hopefully be less terrible offensively against opposing second units.
@DanielLawler But, but... intangibles! You can't measure heart.
@FunakiEjectsAnother [#StartLambFaction] @King of Carrot Flowers the third I would literally turn the ball over every time I touched it against NBA players. I'm a D and 3 player even amongst work friends since they don't trust me to even dribble against overweight 45 year olds.
@DTVirgin @King of Carrot Flowers the third He IS still very positive on the defensive side, it's just not as high as his offense is low.
6 days, 8 hours ago on Wednesday Bolts – 10.15.14
@FunakiEjectsAnother [#StartLambFaction] @Keith00 @Johnny Thunder OMG! Boshasaurus would have made me love him forever. I liken it to Andre Drummond's little videos, my favorite being him being terrible at bowling. Even if the guy is a complete douche in real life, he'll always have my heart for going out and not being afraid to be funny.
(I also really love Metta World News spots)
@Johnny Thunder This one is funnier to me. The Russ one doesn't make sense as read.
@Johnny Thunder @FunakiEjectsAnother [#StartLambFaction] @Keith00 I actually agree with the latter. I wish he would dress like one for Halloween and just blow people's minds.
@Johnny Thunder Wut?
@SeinfeldOKC As good as Green could be, I'm worried about his consistency. His number fluctuate wildly throughout his career. Now obviously he's been on a number of different teams with different needs, but even his rate stats are Jekyll and Hyde from year to year. For all we know, he comes back to earth this year and reminds everybody why they've passed on him before.
@FunakiEjectsAnother [#StartLambFaction] @Keith00 I understand your reservations then. I personally think Dudley is just flat out a better player than Lamb or Jones will be. Having him for the year I could see him being an important part of the bench spacing the floor and providing defense. Hell, by the end of the year it wouldn't be crazy to see someone of his play level starting at SG.
@FunakiEjectsAnother [#StartLambFaction] @rednuht @Keith00 Running the second unit long term is Reggie's job, not Lamb's. Also, if we're being honest, Lamb isn't really proving he can do that role either. He's still a shoot-first player that doesn't make many of his own shots.
@FunakiEjectsAnother [#StartLambFaction] @Keith00 The luxury tax is determined by the total team salary on the last day of the regular season, so it doesn't actually matter when we make the trade. We would end up paying less of his salary in real dollars, but the tax calculation doesn't prorate based on time with the team.
I wouldn't be saying yes or no on re-signing Dudley, but his salary next year (and if he plays well he'll certainly decline) wouldn't be prohibitive.
6 days, 9 hours ago on Wednesday Bolts – 10.15.14
@rednuht @Keith00 @FunakiEjectsAnother [#StartLambFaction] My preference would be to not hit the tax this year anyway. I believe trading Lamb would be enough to stay under the tax while taking in his salary. If Dudley returns to form, he is a huge upgrade to our bench long term while a valuable minute eater in KD's absence. I just don't see many options that would be available right away while at the same time useful long term.
@Jooseppi @Keith00 Fair enough. I've liked him for a while so I am admittedly biased, but it seems like the perfect time to make such a move.
@FunakiEjectsAnother [#StartLambFaction] @Keith00 Actually, that depends. Green would cost more right now than Dudley precisely because Green had a career year while Dudley had a career worst. If Dudley returns to form (likely given the outlier), he's just as good as Green. If Green regresses (also likely given last year was a positive outlier for him), he could be a lot less valuable.
They both make similar amounts (3.5 for Green, 4.25 for Dudley) so in both cases we would have to give back or burn some salary.
@Jooseppi @Keith00 That's understandable. But the majority of players that really benefitted from Phoenix were old and past their prime. Dudley is still in the middle of his prime, and it helps that he would have a reduced workload once Durant returned.
@FunakiEjectsAnother [#StartLambFaction] @rednuht @Keith00 Actually, one benefit of the huge jump next year is that we are highly unlikely to hit the tax no matter how much we pay Reggie. Perk will be off the books and the tax line is going to jump some 10 million or more dollars. Reggie isn't going to fill that much cap space, and it could easily allow us to avoid the repeater tax until KD's next contract.
As for what players I would give up on to make it work? Probably Lamb. As much as we keep hoping for him to pan out, the fact is he's not been good for any significant stretch of his career. He's still not a quality shooter or defender. Dudley does what we actually hope Lamb would do, rather than continuing to wait.
@FunakiEjectsAnother [#StartLambFaction] @Keith00 Dudley is listed as a SG and it's the position he's played most of his career. He's a bigger guy though and so can also play SF. Dudley's career numbers (again, last year as a huge outlier likely due to injury) are head and shoulders better than our current SG rotation, so it's not like we'd be picking him up and then burying him the minute KD returns.
I actually had mentioned wanting to pick up him when the Clips dumped him, but we didn't have the cap space to absorb his contract like Milwaukee.
@Jooseppi @Keith00 Dudley was already turning into a good player when he was first traded to Phoenix. And yes, the fact that he was injured and had the worst year of the career is another reason I'd be looking at him instead of a bigger solution. We could have him for a 2nd rounder if we wanted (Milwaukee would then have gotten a first and second rounder just to rent out a few million of cap space), but it would likely also mean giving up on one of our young guys (to keep us under the luxury tax line).
@FunakiEjectsAnother [#StartLambFaction] @Keith00 I'm not sure I agree with you since Dudley has been able to play the 2 as well, and he's far more established as a two-way player than anyone we have there. Also, we kind of have a huge hole on the wing right now that will be less important to fill at the deadline.
@Grolgar @Keith00 Exactly. The thing is he's likely going to cost more at the deadline when he bounces back to career form. Further, we have a much greater need for a SF now than we will at the deadline (hopefully!).
@Jooseppi @okcjim @OKC035 It wouldn't surprise me if Westbrook averages 25 points and 11 assists per game while KD is out. That's the best of both worlds.
Does anyone have interest in Jared Dudley? Last year was a huge outlier; he's otherwise been an efficient shooter/scorer that plays sound (though unathletic) defense.The Clippers gave away a late first just to dump his 4 million salary. Any chance we might be interested in making a move for him early then use him off the bench when KD returns?
He's a career 40% from three. He's been an above average defender the majority of his career. But, we would have to give away 1-2 million in salary to stay under the luxury tax line.
Has Durant already gone and had the surgery? The injury sounds pretty simple and well documented.
1 week, 1 day ago on Monday Bolts – 10.13.14
@Triple5 Will we be asking next year whether the team will be forced to trade Lamb before another team overpays him?
1 week, 4 days ago on Friday Bolts – 10.10.14
@Julius F Wrek The team has used zone very sparingly. It's not part of our standard defensive tactics, and our guys tend not to position themselves well when it has been employed. It requires a lot more communication and spacing away from the ball, and our players focus better playing man to man.
@OverReactionDTer @Keith00 That's the problem, if he's always cold to start, how does he earn more minutes? If he has to have guaranteed minutes/shots in order to work himself into playing well, how does he ever fit beside his much better teammates?
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@OverReactionDTer There seems to have been a lot of support behind the idea that Lamb was playing really well until he got buried on the bench. Given the sample sizes throughout his career, shouldn't we consider that maybe his good play was the aberration?
@SeinfeldOKC [8pts is 8pts] 3rd year, he's a veteran now. Vets get shots.
@OverReactionDTer @OBoy (LaFamilia) The hope is still that we have no use for a 3rd PG.
@ThunderMoneyBall You know, Detroit won a championship with a guy like that in Ben Wallace. Every once in a blue moon, he would hit a jump shot and the opposing teams would just deflate like the game had been immediately called on account of that shot.