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@d21 @Keith00 You might be able to make a 50 win team just out of that 2nd round. DeAndre probably athletic enough to guard PFs.
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@Jooseppi @Keith00 Damn, does Joe Alexander even get drafted in a redraft? And I think Dragic would be the biggest riser. He was 45th overall, but would jump all the way into the top 10.
@d21 @Keith00 Even back then a lot of pundits thought Lopez was a lock. We were just coming off the Robert Swift experience and were about to start playing Green at PF. Center was a huge need, and it shouldn't be discounted that Hibbert was an elite defender earlier than Ibaka (and honestly still a better one now, though Ibaka is the much better scorer).
@exclamatory remark @Keith00 I honestly considered it. What also made it tempting was how much Chicago would be exactly the same but healthier. As much as I wanted to though, I think Love has been the better player so far (I don't really buy that it's somehow his fault that the rest of his teammates haven't been good enough to make the playoffs).
So ESPN just did their 2007 re-draft. Durant went first (obviously) and Green went 9th. Those are very reasonable choices.
So jumping a year ahead, how would you re-draft the 2008 draft for the first 5 picks?
1) Kevin Love to Chicago - The Bulls already had Noah, which would have made a incredible pairing with Love. Also, while Chicago fans love Rose, the fact is Love has been the statistically best player from this draft, and didn't just miss the last two years to injury.
2) Russell Westbrook to Miami - This is a bit of a stretch, since Miami already had Wade, and both players have a lot of overlap. Then again, Westbrook has been dead even with Rose throughout their careers and even now is the healthier of the two. Long term, Miami would be better with a 25 year old Westbrook right now than a 32 year old Wade.
3) Derrick Rose to Minnesota - This is primarily hindsight. Sure, Rose is injured and may never play at a high level again. BUT, having him in 2008 would have forced Kahn to pick anyone but Rubio and Flynn in 2009. Suddenly they might have had a Rose-Curry backcourt, which would have been a terror.
4) Roy Hibbert to OKC - Losing out on the top players sucks, but Hibbert answers the question of offense (Lopez) vs defense. Hibbert upgrades the Perkins experience and gives OKC a real shot at having a Pacer-level defense while still having a top 5 offense.
5) Serge Ibaka to Memphis - You can argue Lopez, with his all star appearance and great PER might go here. But since Memphis was already getting Marc Gasol to play center, a high-flying PF makes more sense. The fact that Ibaka was able to develop a deadly jumper just makes it easier.
@Mr_F @mattchant @AIaska Gallo is a fine player, but not 10 million a year good.
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@mattchant @Keith00 So we are going to permanently shift the best player on our team (and the league) to make room for an overpaid one-way player? I don't think you realize how just ok 37% is these days. It's not elite. Danilo is not an elite scorer (though very good at times, not saying he isn't), not a playmaker, and a nonexistent defender. Guys like that normally aren't worth 10 million a year. We could trade for Kyle Korver for a lot less. Heck, we could easily trade up to draft Doug McDermott for the same player but cheaper and younger.
@mattchant @AIaska Wait, why is Gallo worth 10m per year at all? He's a good but not elite shooter who doesn't play defense.
@mattchant Obviously I see the value in getting rid of Perkins, but that is an atrocious trade. Gallinari plays the same position as Durant at best, and he's signed for more money and a longer term than Perkins. Even if he were to get healthy (which does not seem likely), he would be a backup. Robinson has no real value to us. Considering this puts us in just about the same or worse of a financial position, I'm not sure what value OKC is meant to extract here. Danilo has never been worth his current contract, much less been worth enough to take on more money at the cost of our young players.
@d21 @Keith00 @sammasaaron @Perk-Punt @Fastbreak Sefolosha @L0rv Again, I wouldn't trade Russ for Pek. Russ is younger and legitimately better. My point has always been that the gap between the two is less than people are making it out to be. Pek is scoring over 17ppg this year, btw, with respectable usage (over 20). He's Minny's #3 option. And it is primarily because Martin is the only wing in Minny who can score, so he takes a lot of shots.
It would be very interesting to see an OKC team with a real presence inside, but probably not at the cost of Westbrook.
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@Perk-Punt @Keith00 @d21 I know he's tops in dunks, which are generally uncontested or poorly contested (a small guy trying to contest but just not having the length). He's looking a lot like Tyson Chandler used to. Not as good of a defender, but a great rebounder who helps the offense by always putting himself in position for easy buckets but never demanding the ball.
@ThunderBelize Adams makes little enough that you never need to worry about dropping his salary. Pek is worth his contract while Perk isn't. Is Adams worth more than Pek? Not right now, but I hope he keeps developing into a quality player. I like that Gortat comparison. I also think best case scenario is he becomes Bogut-lite. A more reasonable comparison would be Zaza Pachulia.
@d21 Definitely improved under RIvers. I saw on one of the last broadcasts he's putting up career highs in like 6 different categories. I still think his defense is overrated (he's not really a defensive stalwart), but becoming an elite rebounder and finisher is still pretty amazing.
@d21 @sammasaaron @Perk-Punt @Keith00 @Fastbreak Sefolosha @L0rv Pek is a plus defender in the post, similar to Perkins. He is a strong offensive rebounder, middling defensive rebounder (which we also need to account for playing next to an elite rebounder in Love). He's not a shotblocker, but that's not a need in OKC like it is in Minny.
As for not complementing our roster, our main rotation at C is Perkins (arguably the least athletic center in the league) and Steven Adams, who doesn't even know where he is supposed to be much of the time. I'm not saying it you are wrong totally, but it seems to ignore that we were still very good and athletic when Westbrook was out.
@Turfright I just don't get it. It's like no one ever talks about the Thunder or KD. Like they aren't still widely favored in the West and darlings of the NBA world. People either love or hate the Heat, so they make for great news. There isn't some conspiracy going on, just normal business. Look at our own boards, how much do WE talk about the heat compared to every other team?
@Perk-Punt @Fastbreak Sefolosha @L0rv @d21 While I agree the Thunder wouldn't make that trade, I feel like you guys are really underrating Pekovic. A true low-post bruiser who dominates the offensive glass and draws double teams. Also a very strong defender in the post who would excel more next to a shotblocker. Pekovic is really good. In a vacuum, trading Westbrook for Pekovic probably makes us just as good (we've proved we can win without Westbrook), but changes our complexion to be more postseason oriented.
The reason OKC wouldn't make that trade is because Westbrook is three years younger and just about to enter his prime. In terms of short term value, it's not nearly as crazy as you all are making it out to be.
@Turfright The team lost.
@TheresABabyFaceUnderMyBeard @Perk has a lot of value Detroit can't really make that trade. Sure, Smith has been terrible for them, but the fact is they don't have a first round pick next year (goes to Charlotte if they keep the pick this year). They can't trade two mid-high lottery picks in consecutive years just to get rid of Ben Gordon (what an atrocious trade...) and Josh Smith. Detroit would trade Monroe for actual value before they dump a first rounder just to lose Smith.
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