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@King of Carrot Flowers the third @Keith00 @FunakiEjectsAnother [#StartLambFaction] Fair enough. But I don't want to change the pace from three superstars to zero. Unless I can perfectly match my bench lineup against an opposing bench lineup, I'm still putting myself at a disadvantage. I also just generally like off-beat rotations. I think current coaching when it comes to substitutions is generally bland and overly conservative.
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@OBoy (LaFamilia) @Keith00 @bmuelle23 @FunakiEjectsAnother [#StartLambFaction] Goodell has sucked in terms of making smart decisions. If people want to attack him for being a shitty commissioner, they should, because he's continually dropped the ball. As for the league making a new rule whenever a sponsor gets mad, maybe the league should have better management of their people in place so that there isn't a fire to put out every other week. If Goodell had come out and said, "This is a travesty, and we won't put up with it. Rice is banned indefinitely" from day one, the sponsors wouldn't have had to look like A-holes for supporting the NFL (and Goodell) right now.
@King of Carrot Flowers the third @Keith00 @FunakiEjectsAnother [#StartLambFaction] My point is that if I was a coach, I would never have full-bench lineups. I mean, I've got three NBA stars who can easily play 32-35 minutes per game. Why would I ever give the opposing team a chance to beat us up without any of my stars on the court?
@bmuelle23 @FunakiEjectsAnother [#StartLambFaction] The NFL isn't the least bit unstable. They are a 10 billion dollar juggernaut that isn't going anywhere even if they came out and said they didn't care about domestic abuse (which is their real stance). I wish there would have been more accountability for criminal acts already, but here we are. If replacing Goodell changes that, then let's do it and I don't care about mob mentality. If people are getting mad at Goodell just to spout self-righteous garbage, then I could do without it.
@King of Carrot Flowers the third @Keith00 @FunakiEjectsAnother [#StartLambFaction] I don't like looking at them as two teams. That tends to be how a lot of coaches sub (going full bench for certain stretches), but it always seemed unimaginative and counterproductive. I see the bench as placeholders around the stars, guys that should be interchangeable based on the team or situation we face. So off the bench but starter minutes would be fine too, but I'd also rather clobber teams early so that we can experiment or rest more early.
@OBoy (LaFamilia) @Keith00 We do, but sensibility is not the same as likelihood. Brooks hasn't shown that kind of flexibility with the starters. I think SG is the ONLY position that has a chance of changing in the starting lineup this year, no matter how smart it might be to bench Perkins.
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@King of Carrot Flowers the third @Keith00 @FunakiEjectsAnother [#StartLambFaction] I think it's time for Adams to force his way into the starting lineup. Wouldn't it be awesome if he jumped out of the gate and put up like 5 straight double-doubles and showed some real progress as a PnR partner with Russ? Do you think there's any chance Perk could be moved to the bench if Adams is killing it?
KD at the 4
We brought on Morrow to shoot, and he's not going to get those juice open threes on the bench. Roberson is a very much a young Thabo clone, no offense and all. Reggie might be our 4th best player, but it would make for a tiny backcourt. Lamb hasn't shown the skills to be a better fit. Perry really shouldn't be a 2, and it further marginalizes our already crowded SG rotation. KD isn't moving to the 4 until he starts losing athleticism.
@King of Carrot Flowers the third @Keith00 @FunakiEjectsAnother [#StartLambFaction] Do we have much evidence to back that up? In his limited minutes he's been inconsistent between decent and terrible, but more often bad than good. He's still just an average shooter despite a great looking release. He's shown very little defensive aptitude.
I'll admit he's shown some flashes of being a solid passer at the SG spot, but he's light years behind Reggie in that regard.
@King of Carrot Flowers the third @FunakiEjectsAnother [#StartLambFaction] We should trade him for that Hasheem Thabeet guy. Former #2 overall, maybe he just needs a new situation to shine. :-p
@FunakiEjectsAnother [#StartLambFaction] Robes, Lamb just doesn't do anything that other players don't do better. We need shooters, bring in Morrow. We need to jumpstart a stagnating offense, bring in Jackson. We need to defend someone on the wing, bring in Roberson. We're talking role players here, so what role can Lamb realistically play?
@King of Carrot Flowers the third @Keith00 @Jabb0310 @El Prez I understand. I did note earlier that I see a difference between corporal punishment and abuse. I don't mean to belittle your view on that.
And I agree that I'm tired of the league playing reactionary to everything that happens. My problem is that I have absolutely zero faith that the league would do ANYTHING right if it wasn't forced by the mob. Look at concussions, something the league has known about for over a decade but only acted upon once the public became outraged. Look at the crap with the replacement refs. If the fans hadn't been getting up in arms, would the league have EVER decided to bring back the real thing?
I've had qualms with the NFL for a long time already in how they deal with criminal behavior, and how their players never seem to be held accountable. I'm not happy to be part of a mob, but I'll take it if it is the only way to see positive change actually take place.
@FunakiEjectsAnother [#StartLambFaction] @King of Carrot Flowers the third @Keith00 @gokudabest Blowouts help, but you can't exactly schedule those. How nice would it be to have a blowout on the first game of each back to back, eh? I also think Morrow helps build blowouts, since his presence makes it a lot easier to run up point early and put teams away.
@FunakiEjectsAnother [#StartLambFaction] @Keith00 @SeinfeldOKC I dunno, I just don't see it as different from any other two good teams playing each other. I mean, would you say the Clips are rivals with the Spurs? I think a lot of players hate Blake Griffin and the Clips because they are such dedicated floppers. But when we play them, other than a minor worry about our defense showing up, I just expect to win.
I didn't really consider the Heat rivals since we only played them in the finals once. Every other game was a marquee matchup just because both teams were good and sported MVP caliber players. The teams didn't seem to genuinely hate each other.
@SeinfeldOKC I wouldn't really call the Clips a rival, nor the Warriors. The Grizz definitely because we've had some great playoff series, same with San Antonio. The Rockets kind of because they have Harden, but they've yet to really step up to the plate as a real roadblock. The Warriors and Clips are just good teams in our conference. Neither are really as good as we are, neither have beaten us in anything important.
@King of Carrot Flowers the third @FunakiEjectsAnother [#StartLambFaction] @Keith00 @gokudabest I personally want Morrow to start. I feel like we've been overworking Russ and KD for so long (propping up Thabo and Perk.... ugh... Perk), they deserve some breathing room. Maybe the best thing for their long term health is making what minutes they play less strenuous.
@King of Carrot Flowers the third @Jabb0310 @Keith00 @El Prez I don't think the heart can be in the right place when it chooses to harm others. Ray Rice and his wife are reportedly working through everything, does that make what he did any less terrible? Peterson is sorry he hurt his son so badly, but that doesn't take back the bruises and psychological trauma he has already caused.
The problem is that the facts are already there, but no one seems to have the balls to do anything about it. Peterson, a grown man, injured a young boy purposely through repeatedly hitting him with a stick. That's a fact. The league choosing to do nothing when the facts aren't changing (similar to the Ray Rice case) is the most troubling part of all.
@King of Carrot Flowers the third @Jabb0310 @Keith00 @El Prez I understand this is a very gray issue with many people. I'm rather incensed by it, which is why I might be arguing more harshly. That said, I have no idea whether Peterson is a good person/father or not. At least one report had the son mentioning that Peterson threatened greater harm if the boy told anyone what happened (a clear sign that he knew what he was doing was wrong).
What if Peterson is really a monster that has been putting on a smile for the cameras? I don't know. If he is, it's better the kid grow up without a father than grow up with an abusive one. But even if Peterson is contrite, he should face the consequences of his actions. If he is truly a good person looking to change, he wouldn't be in prison long if at all.
@King of Carrot Flowers the third @Keith00 @gokudabest Russ is already a lot better defender than Reggie, so having him healthy all year is an upgrade. Thabo also fell off badly last year on both ends of the court. We were still 5th last year on defense, and I expect a bit of a freefall from Indiana.
Also, defense tends to improve with time in the league, so I do think Russ-KD-Ibaka will all be better on that end themselves. Perk does what he does. If Roberson starts, I see very little defensive dropoff at the 2, so general improvement overall. If Morrow starts, I think the starting lineup defense stays about even but Roberson off the bench significantly improves the reserve defense.
@gokudabest Better than the Grizz with a healthy Gasol? I don't see it. I think they could/should be top 3. Memphis #1, Chicago #2, OKC #3.
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@OBoy (LaFamilia) @Keith00 @Tvaddic If Thabo hadn't been, just as good. This is one of those things I think we'll be hugely surprised by with Morrow. Even if he doesn't get a lot of shots, even if he can't defend his position, the sheer gravity exerted by an elite shooter has large positive effects on the team. Think about how many legitimately bad defenders the Heat got away with the last 4 years simply because their shooting was enough.
@Jabb0310 @Keith00 @El Prez I don't think injury is a shift in definition. Corporal punishment is about sending a message, about linking negative outcomes with bad decisions. The moment a parent believes that seriously harming their kid is the only way to send the right message, then that parent becomes an abuser. If a mother slaps her son for swearing, it sends a message. If a father breaks his kid's jaw for swearing, he's an abuser. If someone can't understand the difference, then there is something wrong with them and maybe being charged with a felony is the only way to learn.
@Tvaddic It's reeeeeally hard to generate consistent offense against great defensive teams without shooters.
@Jabb0310 @Keith00 @El Prez It's not about vilifying him (though with the media storm, that's inevitable). It's about following through with basic justice.
Consider desegregation. Once segregation was outlawed, it became a crime. It wasn't enforced very well (because it was still in the middle of a generation that thought it was ok), but that didn't make the lawbreakers any more right nor should the law have been lenient the way it was. Consider looking back at it now. We know now that all those good ol' boys that got away with murder were monsters, no matter how good they might have been to their white communities.
Injuring a child is wrong. Even if we go so far as to say Peterson didn't know that it was wrong, it still was. Ignorance does not absolve crimes. And I don't think Peterson is a bad guy, but he's obviously not a great one either.
@Old Man Game @Jabb0310 @El Prez I understand the effects that abuse can have on children. It significantly raises the likelihood that they will abuse their own children. But again, it's still abuse. Allowing a continuation of that cycle is the worst possible thing.
I think Peterson should be forced to take counseling and see a therapist, but he should also charged for the criminal actions he took. If Minnesota and the league have any real moral values, Peterson should be released and banned. There is literally no reason that this shouldn't happen right away either. The legal case has absolutely no bearing on his expulsion from the league. He abused a child. Whether he did so knowing it was abuse or not doesn't actually mean anything. The league isn't waiting on proof of guilt, they just don't want to lose a HOF level player.
@Jabb0310 @El Prez It's reasonable to ask whether it was an honest mistake based on AP's upbringing. That said, we don't let other criminals slide because their parents were criminals. AP might think it's ok, but a lot of people thought slavery was ok at some point. A lot of people thought women shouldn't vote.
Hitting a child to the point of injury is wrong. The end. I don't care if he thought it was justified discipline, he's a grown man and ignorance is not an excuse.
@King of Carrot Flowers the third If Goodell is incompetent, I don't want him in charge of the largest and most powerful sports organization in the world. If he's a liar, I don't want him in charge of the largest and most powerful sports organization in the world.
I can understand being against mob mentality, but hasn't Goodell proven an inability to properly do the job anyway?
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@bmuelle23 This is an accumulation of a lot of things Goodell has already botched. The Ray Rice issue is just the latest, and a lot of people seem to be sick of it.
@BangBangThunder @King of Carrot Flowers the third Yeah, seems legit if the only thing you know about steroids is what you learned from Lifetime dramas.
1 day, 6 hours ago on Wednesday Bolts – 9.17.14
@King of Carrot Flowers the third Is he a particularly clever player on the field? He's crazy talented and plays on a loaded team. In terms of NFL potential, quicker decision making and tighter throws are still areas of improvement.
1 day, 12 hours ago on Wednesday Bolts – 9.17.14
@Perk-Punt I hate hearing anything about the ASG as if it has any bearing on play during games that count.
@Perk-Punt He'll probably have a few monster scoring games against crappy teams that can't even guard James-Love, and ESPN will go bonkers about whether he might be the most important player on the team. Somehow lost in all this he'll still be an atrocious defender who constantly gets injured.
@Bry Bry @Keith00 @FunakiEjectsAnother [#StartLambFaction] I'm actually from Detroit, that one was so strange to me. I mean, Megatron is the bad guy, he also tended to be comically outwitted over and over again. Still sounds cool, but weird to someone who grew up watching transformers.
1 week, 2 days ago on Tuesday Bolts – 9.9.14
@Bry Bry I agree. The way media is going today makes it very difficult to gain wide viewer/readership without pandering or going for shock stories (how many ESPN pundits have made entire careers out of purposely saying inflammatory garbage?). I don't know what the perfect solution is, though. I would prefer my news be important, well researched, and accurate. But in a society that needs their news the moment it happens, it's hard to do all of that without losing the lead.
I'd rather take a few bogus stories trying to manufacture news about sexual crimes than have no reports about it as if it doesn't exist.
@FunakiEjectsAnother [#StartLambFaction] The fact that the question is able to ask any one player versus everyone else says enough. It's kind of like when Tiger Woods was on top of the golf world. They used to have polls before every major event asking Tiger versus the field. The smart money is always on the field, but that it's even questionable tells you who the best probably is.
@Bry Bry @Keith00 @FunakiEjectsAnother [#StartLambFaction] Again, management clearly has a much bigger impact on the overall than money. If you have sound management, you wouldn't be expected to be handing out bad contracts, would you? And if you have bad management, it doesn't matter how willing you are to spend (LA, NY, and Brooklyn all were bottom 6 teams overall).
@Bry Bry @Hustle Westbrook Morrow Faction The problem is that rich people have a way of silencing real indiscretions unless they become news. It goes both ways. This seems like a flimsy claim, but how many times have we seen universities and even local police departments completely look the other way until a rape finally hits the news? If we had a completely logical and flawless justice system, I would totally agree with you. Because we don't, the media still has a role to play.
@Bry Bry @Keith00 @FunakiEjectsAnother [#StartLambFaction] Consider also though that this category obviously doesn't have a major impact on the overall ranking. Bottom 5 money for the thunder, but #3 overall. The overall rankings still (correctly) lean heavily on current talent (players) and team decision making (management), both of which we are top 3.
Again, it's more of a tiebreaker than a determinant. If two teams are equally talented and equally well run, the team that is willing to spend more money should realistically be expected to improve more in the future.
@King of Carrot Flowers the third First of all, there's no limitation on how long it can take to recover from a seriously traumatic event. Sexual crimes can affect the rest of a person's life.
That said, the lawsuit sounds flimsy. It's one thing to feel too traumatized to report it, but that simply doesn't sound like much of a case. We DO have to factor in that she's an exotic dancer, how was this instance realistically worse than any normal day on her job?
@King of Carrot Flowers the third Quick summary? Are we talking rape allegations or a handsy lap dance?
@DTVirgin @OBoy (LaFamilia) Melo said he was the first to "go home," setting the trend "followed" by Lebron and possibly Durant in the future. While Carmelo was born in NY, he grew up most of his life in Maryland, which is really more of the Wizards area than the Knicks.
@King of Carrot Flowers the third What does burning the jersey really help? You already gave the Giants your money. It's not like they have a better option just waiting in the wings either.
@Bry Bry @FunakiEjectsAnother [#StartLambFaction] The category was not designed around the Thunder, that's silly. If you look at it from a league-wide perspective, you'll understand that ability and willingness to spend are both important factors to teams. They aren't more important than management or talent on hand, but they are still important. That's why OKC is still #3 despite such low ratings in market and money.
@Bry Bry Not entirely true. Willingness to spend has actual value in a system that allows teams to break the "cap." LA and NY have spent poorly (bad management), but they are certainly willing to spend money to stay relevant or even marginally improve their team. That doesn't make them contenders, but it DOES make a difference when other circumstances are equal.
This category was NOT created to crap on the Thunder. It was created to try and capture the different factors that do matter. For instance, Sterling was considered a cheapskate, but he was in a great market. Those two things should both factor separately.
@FunakiEjectsAnother [#StartLambFaction] @f5alcon @Bry Bry It specifically notes how averse the team is to the luxury tax. Money in this case is pretty much a factor of "willingness to spend."
@Lambaaaaaa @nowthatsThunderBball @nasama I don't believe this is true. The FIRST YEAR of a max contract is based on a percentage of the cap. The remaining years are still bound to the maximum yearly increase percentages (I think 7.5% in the current CBA). If the cap rises by 16 million in 2 years, that's notably greater than the cost of a an increasing max contract.
I haven't run the numbers yet, but this could be good news for the Thunder. The problem with full career max contracts in the past (Kobe, for example) is that the yearly pay increase (10% previous CBA, 7.5% now) outpaced the yearly increase in cap space. Because of that, players starting at the max (25-30% of the cap) actually began making a larger and larger percentage of the cap over time. If the cap suddenly jumps by greater than 7.5%, it actually reduces the overall % investment in each player. In an ideal world for owners, it would mean that max players actually become MORE valuable over time.
Obviously the cap increases will level out eventually, so this won't work long term. But it could help us out a lot in ducking the tax even while adding MLE players, at least until second contracts for KD-Russ-Ibaka.
1 week, 3 days ago on Monday Bolts – 9.8.14
@DTVirgin @Grolgar @Tvaddic My point about Bledsoe noted that his health was the reason not to give him the max. From a pure production standpoint, he is a Tony Allen level defender and also a positive offensively.
1 week, 6 days ago on Friday Bolts – 9.5.14
@GlendaGonzales You should do that. Maybe you could start a profitable blog out of it?
@Lambaaaaaa @Jabb0310 Bledsoe is an elite player when healthy. The only thing that makes him not worth the max is that he could easily miss 40 games any year.
@Jabb0310 Reggie isn't anywhere near as good as Bledsoe. Bledsoe is arguably a max player when healthy, but he can never stay healthy. 12 million seemed very reasonable to me. Reggie's real comparables are guys like Isaiah Thomas (better than Reggie), Brandon Jennings (8/year in RFA sign and trade), and Avery Bradley (8/year, elite defender but middling scorer/passer).