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@capt george I disagree with the idea that the Giants' losing is the best way for them to get better. You are what your record says you are, unless you're hit with a streak of very bad luck. If they lose the rest of their games it's a pretty clear indication that their players aren't any good and the team needs to be rebuilt. Getting back to .500 means that their players are still functional and adjustments are necessary. We like that Nicks was better, instead of not showing up for the rest of the year (assuming a chance that he'll be back). We like that Tuck is getting some sacks. We'd like to see the LB corps continue to improve and the running game continue to improve. We want to see the DBs continue to improve, and Eli get back towards his form, with a little help from the OL. We want a lot of these guys around next year if they can play. If the Giants win the next few games it will be because these things are happening. If they lose it will be because they are not. Better draft choices are not a reason to hope for losses. Each loss is IMO more debilitating than the incremental increase in quality in the draftee from the worse record. I'd much rather have a 8-8 team at the end of the year than a 5-11 team, especially if the 8-8 is on the way up, regardless of the drafting opportunities. Substantial changes are necessary, whether or not the Giants win the rest of the way. I hope that JM, JR and even TC are able to realize them and pull them off. They're not stupid people and a lot of the needs are obvious. (I'd also be careful about getting rid of TC. I don't like him much either, but you don't know if the next coach will be the next Belichick, Dan Reeves or Ray Handley.) The schedule the rest of the way is hard, with only Washington not in contention for the playoffs. If the Giants can make a good showing against Detroit, NO and SD when they are fighting for the playoffs then there is hope for next year, especially if team management can adapt. If they lose out and the tank is really empty, especially Nicks and Tuck, then say goodbye to the team that we've known and probably contention for the next couple years.
3 months ago on Giants 24 Redskins 17
On CBS today Banks said that Rolle had Bryant in the slot because the
coaches don't have confidence in Hosley. Hindsight is pretty clear
that Amukamara would have been a better choice on 3d, even without
Hosley and McBride. Banks emphasized that Hosley needs to gain the
trust of the coaches, and apparently hasn't done so. This goes back to
our observation that winning championships depends on having the younger
guys step into the breach when needed. And vice versa.
also got on Gilbride for not throwing over the middle; he thought that
Dallas couldn't defend there and didn't do so when the Giants went
there. He said they were sticking too much to their game plan to force
downfield passes when the middle was there for the taking
3 months, 1 week ago on DAL 24 NYG 21
All solid points, but the post is actually too easy on Gilbride. For me the killer play was the second trip to the red zone, calling a draw on 3d and goal from the 10. What did he expect to happen on that play? This is even worse than the throw to Myers because at least that was 1d. You're right that there cannot be wasted downs in the red zone, but it's pretty obvious that you can't waste 3d and goal. I wonder how much of this had to do with Nicks's absence. Was Gilbride surprised by his failure to play? Did he ever consider simplifying the offense for the two young receivers? Did Nicks's absence wipe out his options for throwing into the end zone?
I disagree with Dungy that Dallas dominated the game. The Giants had (slightly) more total offense and time of possession than Dallas, and matched them in first downs and takeaways. They ran for 200 yards. (Gilbride gets credit for running so effectively) Red zone failures and the defense's failure to stop Dallas on the last drive lost the game. (Rolle beaten for 3 first downs. Why was he playing Bryant?)
There is plenty of blame to go around in this lost season, but Gilbride stands out.
The development of a Giant linebacking corps with the addition of Beason and improvement in the others is to say the least welcome, and necessary if the team is to compete. But this has occurred (with associated positive stats) against Freeman in Minn., Barkley, a hobbled Pryor, and Tolzien. Romo is an entirely different test, as are the remaining QBs on the schedule. The rubber meets the road Sunday
3 months, 2 weeks ago on Beason's Arrival Has Begun to Restore Pride to Big Blue LBs
@CommanderShepard @RussWellen1 Agree with CS. Hot young QBs have a way of getting figured out after a while. Foles's numbers are benefiting from being in a great offensive system, not to mention some weak or banged up teams. If the Jints can pull together anywhere near the offensive support that Philly has, I'll stick with Eli
3 months, 3 weeks ago on NYG 24 OAK 20
@RickHI used to think that running the clock down to 0, or beyond, was on Eli. Yesterday Eli made clear it was Gilbride. Good, maybe he'll fix the problem.
I think the Giant receivers are more than able to get separation most of the time, especially Cruz, but the plays aren't designed for that. Not only does Gilbride play too much longball, seems to me the Gmen also specialize in patterns with no moves, relying instead on back shoulders, fades and simple jump balls. Another head scratcher.
4 months, 1 week ago on NYG 15 PHI 7
@CommanderShepard Glass half full is that the D is gelling - JPP getting a bit healthier, Beason coalescing the LBs; Hill returning, Amukamara maturing, and Fewell simplifying improving the DB play. All combining to yield no points in the last 2 games. The glass half empty is that they haven't faced a functional QB in those 2 games.
This is fundamentally about Eli as much or even more than
the offensive coaches including TC.Not
only the last pick, which was Eli’s fault no matter how much we calculate the
catchability of that ball.If he throws
that pass accurately – two feet or more lower – he’s going to have a much
higher percentage of completions, and a much lower percentage of picks.If Myers catches it we certainly have a better
chance to win the game, but if Eli throws
is better we have a significant improvement in the team.And he knows it
I agree much of the responsibility for the other picks, not
to mention the punts, all year long have
resulted from bad coaching.But Eli is a
smart veteran QB and he knows better than anyone, including the coaches, what
is likely to work.If he needs the
offense changed, he could and should get it done or at least try, hard.Even, or maybe especially, with the
shortcomings of the coaches, Eli Manning is one of the guys that can improve things.
Eli has improved his leadership twice in the past, both
times leading to championships.In 07
the very idea of him as a leader was questioned and he responded with vast
improvement in efficiency which, combined with a premier receiver in Plaxico
and a lot else on the team, led to a historic championship. In
2011, he overcame the loss of his TE and his 3d down guy, by working behind the
scenes to make the receivers better, including converting Victor Cruz into perhaps the most
productive clutch receiver in the league, and remade his own role as the most
effective 4Q QB in football, to lead to another stunning championship.
Some have talked in terms of not wasting the opportunity for
another title run in Eli’s career.It is
hard to imagine Peyton and a lot of other premier QBs suffering in a system
that damages the team and their career for years on end, especially if the
remedy is a better shorter passing game (and better throws).Especially for the rest of this year, and
maybe into next if the Giants do not change coaches Eli will be the guy that
pulls it all together, or, failing that, risk his legacy.
4 months, 3 weeks ago on CHI 27 NYG 21
Agree with RW and CS. The overall stats are bad, but the D
has been OK before they break from being overexposed. And this is
especially noteworthy given the lackluster LBs, injured secondary and
weak pass rush. If the offense gets into a better rhythm, especially by
developing a short passing game, and they can get a bit of pressure on
the QB the team can do damage. And as long as the rest of the division keeps losing,
playoffs are a (perverse) possibility. Let's see what happens tonight
4 months, 3 weeks ago on Backs to the Wall
@Arthuro And I would add 3. at least this year an opt out of an available shorter throw for a longer pattern exponentially increases Eli's exposure to free ranging 285 lb. defensive lineman. I would be surprised if this happened very often, especially after the first 10 minutes or so.
Especially since 4. a lot of the downfield throws are into coverage. Including 2d and 10 to Cruz in 4Q on Sunday right before the killer second pick.
4 months, 4 weeks ago on PHI 36 NYG 21
Absolutely spot on. Eli's racking up some bad numbers, but it's not all on him. Even Coughlin recognizes he's trying to do too much. And we see today they can pass block well enough in to keep competitive. And the receivers are by and large playing well. So what's the problem?
You highlighted the best example. Giants get the ball back down by 8. Philly has scored twice, but there is plenty of time left and the offense had shown enough life with 2 TDs in the 3Q to briefly take the lead before the Eagles jump back out. Giants need to move the ball, and get points. First play long pass, probably not the best idea but you take some shots. Getting no yards on 1D isn't a crisis but now you need to think about the sticks. But 2d and 10? You NEED to compete for first down here. So Gilbride dials up . . . a bomb to Cruz. After it drops, now it's 3d and 10 and Eli gets picked trying to gain the first down in one play when they had three. The OC is not seriously competing, or building a rhythm, or confidence, or helping out his leaky line or increasingly erratic QB. The failure has probably destroyed the season and definitely would have already if the division weren't so bad.
5 months ago on PHI 36 NYG 21
Makes total sense. Blackburn always survived on his game smarts, and the Giants certainly played like they were in Carolina's pocket. O-line may not be that good, but I would be surprised if they are that bad. It's amazing that the coaches didn't plan around this, or at least begin to figure it out during the game, and break a few tendencies. Maybe I've got my colored glasses on but from the beginning 38-0 has seemed like a coaching failure. I'm expecting a better effort against KC. Then again, it's not like their coach doesn't know a little about the G-men, including winning 8 of the last 10 . . .
5 months, 1 week ago on Chase Black-burned
@ultimatenygMaybe but you used a very good word - adjustment. The opponents are adjusting and we aren't. Giant's defense was very good in the first half against Denver and decent against Dallas and Carolina at the outset. Then the opposing OC figures out how to exploit us. That's his job. Our OC didn't figure out very much at all against Denver and Carolina. It's hard to believe that the line is so weak as to not allow us to compete for first downs and set records for futility against a poor team, given the talented skill players.
5 months, 2 weeks ago on CAR 38 NYG 0
I think you're (uncharacteristically) letting the coaching staff off too easy. Each year, the Giants, apparently with playoff or near-playoff talent, have several games where they are unable to compete, including two or three collapses (last year e.g. Cin, Atl. Bal). This is on the coaches, as well as the GM. Even with the incomplete squad Reese assembled (how many teams are complete?) there is no way this team should be that overmatched against Carolina. The offense must find a way to compete for first downs. Nobody confuses Carolina's defense with the 85 Bears. Is there really no way to block them? Maybe a couple more screen passes slows down the rush. It's one thing to lose because the GM didn't fully shore up a critical area (LB, OL) but it's another to get shut out by 38 against a winless team.
Yep, and with the defenses seeing it coming it all depends on whether
Cruz and Nicks can outjump the guys hanging all over them and hold the
ball before getting crushed. Seems like a dumb way to try to move the
chains, which is one reason why the Gmen have been posting such bad 3d
down stats and why everyone else makes sure they have a short passing
And especially with the O line still a work in progress, they probably ought to consider some quicker plays
6 months ago on Giants Roster, Odds in Game 1
Agree totally, Reese et al are really pushing their LBs don't matter
theory to the limit. I know it's a passing league now, but unlike the
G-men, the other teams use short and midrange passing as a staple of the
offense, including on 3d and 5. Good LBs are still essential. And
what's up with T. Sash when we're 2 safeties down going into the
beginning of the season?
You make some great points. But I'd like to suggest two other factors: the growing dominance of offensive football and injuries. The game has become dominated by offense, which seems to help underdogs, and the team with momentum. NFL games, playoffs and regular season have become shootouts with wild swings in momentum and huge comebacks. It used to be a 21 point lead was a blowout, now it's little more than a glitch. This makes the whole thing more of a crapshoot, especially when it now comes down to managing the clock at the end to not score too soon, and the worst sin is to be flat at the wrong time. Used to be you needed a stout defense and team balance and consistency. Second is injuries. They have always been part of the game but it seems that now each team has a lot of significant injuries in the stretch. And aside from better medical techniques the way to manage them and thrive seems to be to integrate younger players more quickly into the game. This was a major factor for the G-men last year, especially in the defense becoming functional for the playoffs. If the goal is to have a serviceable defense along with a high powered offense to give you the best chance in a shootout, then getting some replacement bodies who know how to play defense is a critical part of the mix. This year it was the Ravens defensive vets getting healthy. Last year it was the Giants a mix of getting healthy and their younger guys e.g. J. Williams getting better. The Packers 2 years ago were decimated by injuries but got healthier at the end. The younger guys help get the team to the playoffs when everyone is hurt during the regular season and/or fill in at the end. The momentum issue and avoiding flatness is why the bye isn't the same advantage it should be. GB last year is exhibit A. And it's looking more that good position coaches are worth their weight in gold, with the need to get younger guys ready quickly as a result of injuries and FA.
1 year ago on What does it take to win an NFL Championship?
They are going to miss his leadership. I hope he finds his way back, even if he only plays half the time
1 year ago on Casualties of the Cap: Bradshaw, Boley, Canty
Today's SI.com has a detailed description how Atl DC Mike Nolan shut down the Giants' O on Sunday with disguised coveragesnfl.si.com/2012/12/19/break-it-down-atlantas-defense-does-it-again/?sct=uk_t11_a7Obviously Eli and Gilbride are going to have to elevate their game if we meet the Dirty Birds again in the playoffs. If we make the playoffs . . .
1 year, 2 months ago on ATL 34 NYG 0
The Giants defense could not stop Washington's running attack, even when they knew what was coming. Outcoached and outplayed. They still could have won with a better offensive performance, and they did pretty well in the first half. Even with the mistakes, they moved the ball well in 1H including short passes, moved the chains, ate up clock and scored enough to stay ahead.
In 2H the Skins adjusted and took away the run. Gilbride couldn't adjust and the Gmen stalled. You can't wait until 3rd down to worry about moving the chains, especially when you really need to. I know we've said it before but short passing would have helped alot. If they did it like they did in 1H they would have won.
Someone should invite Prince to line up within shouting distance of the LOS. Gutty, tough performance by Bradshaw. He got his 100, too bad he couldn't will a victory.
The DEs looked bad on the fakes and options but that's understandable with RG3. The inability to stop Morris up the middle is less understandable. Blackburn looks absent much of the time he's out there, but he manages one or two big plays a game, like causing the Morris fumble last night. At this point, I'm not sure they're worth it
1 year, 3 months ago on Redskins-17 Giants-16; Giants Fall to 7-5