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@notacon @BobJack1 I am not defending him exactly. I know how the Endangered Species Act was used to devastate the economy of my state 30 years ago all based on a lie about the Northern Spotted Owl. It is my responsibility (and yours) to keep an eye on BLM and Government in general. BLM offering a contract so reduced it would have killed the ranch and Mr. Bundy refused to sign it. This was based on false assumptions about a desert tortoise. That is my best guess as to what began this problem. Our governments responsibility is to protect the rights of US citizens not destroy lives and industry. Have you purchased beef (meat) in a market lately? To do the "right thing" our government would be trying to be cattle ranch friendly. I have read that 20 years ago there were 50 plus cattle ranches operating in Nevada area of which Mr. Bundy's ranch was a part. Now they are all driven out of business by BLM reducing grazing. I want to know why? It has become obvious in recent decades that government operates on hidden agenda's ahead of constitutional requirements. Then gives lip service to us all while doing exactly opposite of what it should be doing.
notacon why are you blindly assuming Mr. Bundy is a liar and thief? Are you a "professional plant commenter". I mean someone paid or otherwise induced to keep repeating senseless degrading remarks about Mr. Bundy and attempting to reinforce the governments side of the issue? I would be more than happy to hear any new evidence to support the governments case if you have any. Also I would like to know why you are not concerned that BLM has sent 200 trained vest bearing men with automatic rifles against US citizens. If nothing else why is BLM wasting my money on this? Please reply.
6 months ago on We’re no longer in the Wild West
@RenoRobert @BobJack1 It seems you know nothing about what has occurred in the "Bundy incident". Maybe you should learn the facts before you start to sound foolish.
@KillerB @farmrdave@El _Lobofurther information,
@KillerB @farmrdave@El _LoboI must say the Constitution is the statute, is the contract which grants authority sparingly to our government. All laws must conform with constitutional law period.
@El _Lobo The proper procedure I mentioned is by Amendment. The court may change it's interpretation but has no authority to either change the document or to act outside of it's intent. Upholding our constitution against enemies foreign and domestic is sworn by most if not all government employees whether elected, employed, or conscripted. Our constitution is the best attempt at protecting individual rights that has ever been produced anywhere, any time. Do you understand that it is a list of restrictions on what our governments can and cannot do? Without those limits we would be another dictatorship.
Please read "United States Deceleration of Independence", the "US Constitution" with amendments, If you are enlightened by those documents read the "federalist papers", (requires greater than high school education to gain full understanding.) Those living documents are not considered living because they change at the whim of government court or popular vote. They are the statutes which limit government. They are the contract between "we the people" and "government". The government has authority to manage as much land as congress obtains (territorial land) in what ever fashion congress decides. But not within the states. In the states is strictly limited in Article 1 section 8.
After viewing the video of so called BLM employees dressed in riot gear carrying automatic rifles I wonder if those men were in the employ of US military? If so it is in direct violation of
@Rich Hanspire @farmrdave@ewthorne "Old canard". You think the constitution is an old "fairy tale"? Do you work for the government? You said it yourself, it gives examples of what types of land can be owned. Get the idea?
@ewthorne @farmrdaveNow we are getting to the heart of the problem. The Constitution still means exactly what it says. It cannot be changed by popular vote or government court. The only way changes are valid is by proper procedure. So you tell me where within the limits placed on government by our constitution is the government granted a right to own forest or grazing land within the states. It does not say deals can be made that sidestep constitutional intent. Named are the types of property that are allowed to be owned by the federal government within the states. Where within this document is the power granted to our government to put endangered species ahead of US citizens? Government has constitutional approval to levy tax. No authority to send armed troops to confiscate property and terrorize citizens. Doesn't that bother you a little? Did you see what was done under the name of BLM? I have never said Mr. Bundy is right or wrong. I have said it is vary possible he in the right. Also that the actions taken there by BLM are wrong in many ways.
I live in Spotted Owl country, I know how a small group of activists used the spotted owl hoax to take control of the so called "public lands" in my state and kick citizens off of them. I know how by manipulating the ESA government destroyed the finances of hundreds of communities for the last thirty years. Do you know how many hundreds of thousands of persons lost their lively hood and homes due to this lie about logging damaging owl habitat. Now it is known logging had nearly zero effect on this declining bird but the restrictions are still in place and timber is burning up in forest fires and rotting on the ground all the while much of the restriction has outlived the owl. Each time one step is taken forward towards fulfilling the contract between federal government and the various counties to harvest the timber some tiny group of persons with a vary environmentally friendly name brings court challenges which tie the matter up for decades. I am vary tired of the federal government mis-managing land it is not authorized to manage at all.
If Mr. Bundy was given a mandatory change to his grazing contract that restricted him to running 90% fewer head of cattle on the same land that had supported the full heard successfully for decades. There is no way any responsible person would sign a contract like that. Keep in mind that this land has been used for grazing for many generations of ranchers. Where I live we had no choice but to obey what was dictated to us and presented to us as law. Law it may be but that does not make these so called laws fall within the limits of constitutional intent. Mr. Bundy had this threat. "Sign away any grandfathered rights or we will take your cattle." He refused to sign it and will continue to be a rancher until he is killed or jailed by our government that is so friendly to citizens rights.
@samspeaks Saying a thing is so, does not make it so. Speaking with greater conviction and exclaiming with great gesticulation still does not make it so.
"nihilistic" Thats a awful big word fer us farmers. Mr. Bruce E. McLeod Jr, You have spent your life drinking the kooklaid if you think Mr. Bundy is acting contrary to constitutional law. Before you speak further I suggest you learn from the base law of our country (US Constitution) that the federal government has no authority to own or control this land. The heart of this issue is there are so many with your incorrect understanding of what our constitution says. Obeying the law is all I have seen anyone at the Bundy Ranch advocating.
@servant @farmrdave @BobE Seems to me that we have been a strong productive country for a few reasons. One reason is vast resources, another is a growing population. Large families require constant new construction of homes. We no longer respect a person financially for the ability to produce food or structures. We only pay big money to those who shuffle papers, count and regulate. I think it is a disease that effects all governments. What I do not know is how to fix this. Like many others I can point at things that are not as they should be and complain, but in fact I do not know exactly how to correct the problem. For sure there are a few things I can state as fact toward reducing the problem. One is for the government to stop inflating our money. Inflation is exactly this, the government prints empty money. Obama has baled out Detroit. Detroit has more than 78,000 empty businesses. Obama funded Solyndra, it went bankrupt. The list is long. Pelosi advocates taking away constitutionally protected individual rights. Pelosi advocates killing not yet born citizens and at the same time votes to allow illegals to cross into out country with no medical inspection, no potential job, no plan to pay taxes, give them free citizenship. Like most persons I have may complaints but also have little to offer of a solution.
1 year, 4 months ago on Pelosi: GOP Needs “Lesson on the Birds and the Bees”
Always a Marine and those others who have been arguing with BobE. Look up saul alinski, read his 12 rules for radicals and it will shine light on BobE's methods and motives. Here is a link,
Notice BobE has not raised any facts? He has not challenged any facts? Go to that link and you will be reading his play book. George Orwell called what Pelosi is claiming government double speak. No other description fits better. Say it is for the public good and claim it is exactly the opposite of the reality and many will vote her back in next term. Add to that the illegals and remove all of the dead "would have been" voters from the rolls and you may get a picture of Pelosi winning another term.
@BobE@texasjo@LoranCarlson@mjz4043No matter listen to this Cuban survivor, http://www.cnsnews.com/blog/stephen-gutowski/cuban-revolution-survivor-warns-dangers-losing-gun-ownership-rights
@BobE@DrewbeScrewedBobE It sure worked well for the USSR. Seems to me that Russians and many others embraced communism with open arms back in Stalins day, or so I have read. One fact is that whatever Pelosi is advocating it is solidly anti-capitalism. Call it Progressivism, Liberalism, Communism, or any other of the ism's and some facts remain the same. Pelosi remains a enemy of our constitution, our representative republic, and liberty. In this case she is calling murder a method of birth control. Responsibility of ones actions cannot be taught by state run schools. It can only be taught in a structured family. Pelosi is one who supports changing the meaning of the word marriage to include those sexually perverted persons who do not have sex but instead co-masturbate. She is advocating fun, fun, fun, with teenage sexual experimentation and saying "no problem, it is OK to kill the accidental child". According to Wikipedia, " since 1973, roughly 50 million legal induced abortions have been performed in the United States." What does that do to the voting citizen at the polls while congress is allowing millions of illegal criminals to enter and vote in our country? Is this what is meant by the term Obamanation, or is it abomination. We Americans of good conscience must stand together for good and oppose this cancerous evil that has permeated our government. By promoting abortion (the killing of American citizens) all of Pelosi's actions are hereby nullified. see this link. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nullification_%28U.S._Constitution%29 If the Supreme court rejects this premise that is also nullified.
@zagozana Putting words into the mouths of those who state they are against abortion on grounds of murder. Government doublespeak. I speak only for myself here. I am opposed to government providing birth control and sex education. It is not a matter the government should be involved in. Organizations promoting abortion as a method of birth control have free access to our children. That is wrong. Morality is not a matter the "state" has any business interfering in. Besides the moral issues here. Murder is illegal. Pretending that killing a person before they are born is not murder is flat out lying. Rape and incest "are" exceptions, not inspite of human rights, because of them.
The article quotes, "And so people focus on the most extreme cases in terms of terminating a pregnancy.” What is more extreme than killing a fetus? Explain how killing a unborn citizen is less murder than killing anyone else. Life begins at conception. That is not opinion, it is proven fact. We have a US congressional representative advocating murder of unborn citizens, what about "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? What about her status as "Domestic Enemy of the Constitution"? Doesn't that make her comments null and void? She has advocated many times to violate constitutional law in relation to 2nd amendment rights. Seems to me that everything said by this woman is null and void before her voice begins to vibrate the air.
Rep. Pelosi does not seem to realize that abortion is murder of US citizens. She seems to consider it another form of birth control. If only she had been aborted.
This article says; " In order that the government remains able to operate, it needs a supply
of money from those living within the confines of our democracy." I must point out that the United States is not a democracy, it is a constitutional republic.
1 year, 6 months ago on Biden Goes After Violent Media With Taxation
Those who represent us in Congress who refer to themselves as "law makers" do not have the authority to ignore the law. Nor those elected by us to serve in the White House. Nor in the state or Oregon. ICE has brought a lawsuit against the federal government, see this link. (http://standwitharizona.com/blog/2013/04/24/judge-sides-with-ice-agents-says-obama-admin-cant-refuse-to-deport-illegal-aliens/) What is likely to happen, those illegals who receive the Oregon illegal 4 year license will be on a list for deportation later after the Obama "Dream Act" is overturned by the supreme court.
1 year, 6 months ago on Ted Cruz Understands The Law: No Amnesty!
@OldFartAmerican I and many other Americans have taken a similar oath to support the constitution against all enemies foreign or domestic. Here is where I would like to include enforcing laws against those pretenders in congress that you mentioned. Only for them to act against their oath of office is not punishable under law. They are only on their own good behavior to act within the constitution and as we can see they are opposing it. My thought is that no law written contrary to constitutional law is a valid law. So what do we do? I am sure that unconstitutional laws will be enforced by police, IRS, federal police. For us to disobey on a individual basis will cause many to go to jail, have lives destroyed, property confiscated. Do you believe that we as a people en-mass will say no and no longer comply with law even if the laws are unjust? I doubt it. I think we will all be sucked into this evil movement of government like the water in a bathtub slowly bit by bit draining out the bottom and that there will never be a mass resistance. When in history has a population stood up to the slow takeover by a rabid government? Today I am still able bodied member of the US militia capable of participating in physical actions against a common enemy. In 10 years I will no longer be. There will never be an enemy to oppose the US militia, that is only a dream. Our rights will slowly evaporate like the water from a bowl left in the sun. The next generation or the one after that or the one after that will have no freedom but will still claim to live in a free country. They will not know the freedoms we have just like we do not miss the freedoms lost to us had by passed generations. So ya-old fart, I cannot disagree with anything you said but I challenge you to disprove anything I have said here either.
1 year, 7 months ago on Colorado to Feds: Please Dominate Us
@KennethBowmanThe congressional oath of office; "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God". Senator Feinstein and all others who supported the 1994 gun ban by the oath of office are domestic enemies of the constitution. There are no teeth in the law preventing congresspersons from violating their oath. We need a rule in congress where each law proposed is first measured against constitutional limits, and before implementation is again measured against constitutional limits. Maybe extending the senate's "Cordon Rule" to include this measure against the constitution is a good place to start.
1 year, 8 months ago on Liberals Rip NRA As They Lose Gun Control Battle
@donalde It has barely begun in the Senate. It may go on uninterrupted for decades.
To further explain. This article has provided a vary accurate description of standard liberal tools used in any argument. "If you are losing the argument scream, beat your head on the floor and throw things."
Vary good article.
@Daniel from TN @emick In my state Oregon or Orygun as we call it the greatest portion of the state is conservative, however the voting block in the cities are liberal in a high degree. I fully see the need for a congressional convention. But I am not sure of the outcome. All that can be done is to try it as it is not reasonable to continue along with this out of control cancerous federal government we have.
1 year, 8 months ago on Administration Refuses to Explain Why It’s Arming a Domestic Agency for War
@KarenMorrisonSutton @farmrdave @Bob Higginbotham I phoned up four of the largest ammunition manufacturers about two weeks ago to ask "where is the ammunition?" Was told by three of them that the are running at greater volume than ever before and that it was all sold to regular civilian outlets. The fourth did not answer or return call. (Winchester, Remington, CCI, Federal.)
@Arizona Dude @Evermyrtle @farmrdave @Bob Higginbotham Probably will be more gun restrictions added to the books and then implemented slowly over time. When it is time to go door to door and collect guns it will be far too late to resist.
@Evermyrtle @Arizona Dude @farmrdave @Bob Higginbotham Hope that we are all wrong.
@Bob Higginbotham The shelves are empty at the ammunition store. Also empty are the shelves for powder for reloading.
The questions in my mind are who would use this ammunition and for what? I am concerned that there is a huge stockpile of ammunition somewhere not in the hands of free Americans or the military. To answer the Congressman's question. There is no legitimate reason for the government to have that much ammunition. If this ammunition is stockpiled somewhere and then falls into the hands of our enemies, what then? If this ammunition is not spread around in the safe hands of American citizens or guarded by our military, how is it secured? This amount of ammunition should be considered a weapon of mass destruction. It is gathered for a reason, is the reason one to benefit or secure American values? I doubt it. Circumstantial evidence, and a general feeling of secret wrong doing by those in power in our country do not give me comfort. For all practical purposes our civilian ammunition supply has been cut off. Congress must stop President Obama and his ilk from further damage to our country before it is too late. If Congress takes action to the limits of it's powers that will expose ulterior motives if there are any. Start by tossing those mutinous pretenders out of congress who are blatantly violating their oath of office.
@freewill2 @AZIke The words that come to mind are mutinous pretenders.
1 year, 8 months ago on Words Don’t Matter, Actions Do
@West Texan I love Texas, as third generation Oregonian whose ancestors immigrated from Texas. I am sickened by the Blueness of Oregon. Most of Oregon is red but the major population centers are blue and counteract intelligent voting. Many of our Sheriffs have publicly taken the stand on not supporting illegal federal gun legislation but our governor lives to collect federal money. The constant injection of federal dollars into the blue areas of my state control the voting and the Governor. Oregon will follow what ever Obama wishes.
1 year, 9 months ago on Words Don’t Matter, Actions Do
@RTD525 In my eyes that is the real issue. How can Senator Feinstein still be in office after her proposed legislation of 1994 which was and is completely contrary to the limits set down in the constitution? How can the president do so many things which are in violation of the limits enumerated in the constitution and bill of rights (Libya, healthcare, etc.)? These things are the real issue. Gun right infringements are merely distractions placed before us by the propaganda media. The real issue today are the mutinous pretenders occupying positions in our government. They need to be voted out, or otherwise replaced by persons with true American values. Persons who measure all legislation against the ruler of constitutional law. I agree that any proposed rules that are contrary to constitutional law are not laws at all. At the same time how can any person resist then? For instance the Obama care tax? Most persons it will be withheld from their pay checks. Business owners will be forced in other ways to pay it that are less pleasant than resisting it. Property owners always have the loss of their property held over them. I am not trying to be pessimistic. But i think before we can throw off the yolk of tyranny we will first have to reach a much lower state of affairs. Another commenter brought up WW2 and NASA (the moon walk). Those two things brought citizens together like nothing else that i know of. National pride. We need to end the division amongst ourselves before we can do anything about the rot in our government.
@ward7098 Both of those "Acts" were knee jerk reactions to a violent crime at the time. This current bout of "infringement of constitutionally protected rights", is following a tried and true path as happened those two times in our history you mentioned. Also the so called "assault weapons ban" of 1994 was implemented the same way but pressure by citizen letters, phone calls, pressure from the NRA, may have helped to write sunset or retirement into that bill to end in 10 years. Otherwise they did not have enough votes to get it passed. The national media speaks only in government double speak, taking even issues contrary to the stance of anti freedom congresspersons and government and then twisting it to support their stance. I do not wish to dampen anyone's enthusiasm but for me personally I have not seen any method that can really turn back the rot that has invaded our government and congress. Washington DC, including congress is occupied by mutinous pretenders. We have a large generation of persons of voting age or almost voting age that see it differently than we who have seen our liberty and freedom dwindle. Since they have grown up in a world where the government provides breakfast, lunch, and any solutions to everyday gripes and problems (big brother). Have grown up in schools where it is a expelling offense to have a pocket knife. Where if a bully starts a fight even the attacked person is expelled for participating in a fight, (subservience to government above right and wrong). Where children grow from preschool with minimal guidance other than from their teachers, fellows students, and TV.
I look forward to any solution and read almost daily of small ideas that are on the right track but do not really expect anything better than to just slow the process a little bit so that my just born great granddaughter may not live in a state like the USSR. I and many like me are wiling and able to support reforms to the cancerous rot in our government but not by cutting of our noses. I have personal responsibilities to my family and friends, they cannot afford me to be sacrificed through leading a charge. Therefor I cannot charge blindly against who I see as my enemy. I like most persons will whine and complain and see the corruption all around and in the end do vary little to oppose it. The pen is about the only tool left to me.
@ward7098 I don't disagree. But wishing for something is not the same as it happening. There are many within my state and especially in my state government that are more than happy with the status as it is. Every unionized public employee is likely to support state and federal arrangement as it is. We have a great public employee retirement burden in my state that in a few years will exceed the entire state GDP. Those persons have spent much of their lives looking forward to their promised retirement benefits. They have always looked to local and federal government as the end all to all problems. I suspect it to be a easy task to divide allegiance amongst state populations and make those persons seeking a intelligent solution which supports liberty and freedom to be enemies of America. Add to that the national media supporting anything said by government talking heads and what is there then? I am not arguing against you or anything related to the original article. I am just thinking out loud.
@abrayoungham I agree, also I do not receive any federal money so it makes no financial difference to me. My state government is run by federal handouts. I know this from listening to the democrat representatives bragging about how they are important for directing more and more federal money into their districts. They keep getting re-elected. My state would rather go boot licking than stand up for themselves.
@Michael Shipley @WDanChance Mr. Shipley, NASA is a good example of government waste, yes. All government agencies are wasteful but none have come close to the benefit to mankind that has been provided by NASA and space research. NASA and the moon program provided a cohesiveness amongst we Americans that has not been seen since the war effort of WW2.
This is nice to talk about and consider. One main problem is that any state that acts contrary to federal law constitutional or not will be stripped of all federal money. Money that goes to schools, police, hospitals, collages, the list is endless. I do n0t believe many states are willing to cut off federal funding.