farmrdave
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This article says; " In order that the government remains able to operate, it needs a supply of money from those living within the confines of our democracy." I must point out that the United States is not a democracy, it is a constitutional republic.
Those who represent us in Congress who refer to themselves as "law makers" do not have the authority to ignore the law. Nor those elected by us to serve in the White House. Nor in the state or Oregon. ICE has brought a lawsuit against the federal government, see this link. (http://standwitharizona.com/blog/2013/04/24/judge-sides-with-ice-agents-says-obama-admin-cant-refuse-to-deport-illegal-aliens/) What is likely to happen, those illegals who receive the Oregon illegal 4 year license will be on a list for deportation later after the Obama "Dream Act" is overturned by the supreme court.
@OldFartAmerican I and many other Americans have taken a similar oath to support the constitution against all enemies foreign or domestic. Here is where I would like to include enforcing laws against those pretenders in congress that you mentioned. Only for them to act against their oath of office is not punishable under law. They are only on their own good behavior to act within the constitution and as we can see they are opposing it. My thought is that no law written contrary to constitutional law is a valid law. So what do we do? I am sure that unconstitutional laws will be enforced by police, IRS, federal police. For us to disobey on a individual basis will cause many to go to jail, have lives destroyed, property confiscated. Do you believe that we as a people en-mass will say no and no longer comply with law even if the laws are unjust? I doubt it. I think we will all be sucked into this evil movement of government like the water in a bathtub slowly bit by bit draining out the bottom and that there will never be a mass resistance. When in history has a population stood up to the slow takeover by a rabid government? Today I am still able bodied member of the US militia capable of participating in physical actions against a common enemy. In 10 years I will no longer be. There will never be an enemy to oppose the US militia, that is only a dream. Our rights will slowly evaporate like the water from a bowl left in the sun. The next generation or the one after that or the one after that will have no freedom but will still claim to live in a free country. They will not know the freedoms we have just like we do not miss the freedoms lost to us had by passed generations. So ya-old fart, I cannot disagree with anything you said but I challenge you to disprove anything I have said here either.
@KennethBowmanThe congressional oath of office; "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God". Senator Feinstein and all others who supported the 1994 gun ban by the oath of office are domestic enemies of the constitution. There are no teeth in the law preventing congresspersons from violating their oath. We need a rule in congress where each law proposed is first measured against constitutional limits, and before implementation is again measured against constitutional limits. Maybe extending the senate's "Cordon Rule" to include this measure against the constitution is a good place to start.
To further explain. This article has provided a vary accurate description of standard liberal tools used in any argument. "If you are losing the argument scream, beat your head on the floor and throw things."
Vary good article.
@Daniel from TN @emick In my state Oregon or Orygun as we call it the greatest portion of the state is conservative, however the voting block in the cities are liberal in a high degree. I fully see the need for a congressional convention. But I am not sure of the outcome. All that can be done is to try it as it is not reasonable to continue along with this out of control cancerous federal government we have.
@KarenMorrisonSutton @farmrdave @Bob Higginbotham I phoned up four of the largest ammunition manufacturers about two weeks ago to ask "where is the ammunition?" Was told by three of them that the are running at greater volume than ever before and that it was all sold to regular civilian outlets. The fourth did not answer or return call. (Winchester, Remington, CCI, Federal.)
@Arizona Dude @Evermyrtle @farmrdave @Bob Higginbotham Probably will be more gun restrictions added to the books and then implemented slowly over time. When it is time to go door to door and collect guns it will be far too late to resist.
@Evermyrtle @Arizona Dude @farmrdave @Bob Higginbotham Hope that we are all wrong.
@Bob Higginbotham The shelves are empty at the ammunition store. Also empty are the shelves for powder for reloading.
The questions in my mind are who would use this ammunition and for what? I am concerned that there is a huge stockpile of ammunition somewhere not in the hands of free Americans or the military. To answer the Congressman's question. There is no legitimate reason for the government to have that much ammunition. If this ammunition is stockpiled somewhere and then falls into the hands of our enemies, what then? If this ammunition is not spread around in the safe hands of American citizens or guarded by our military, how is it secured? This amount of ammunition should be considered a weapon of mass destruction. It is gathered for a reason, is the reason one to benefit or secure American values? I doubt it. Circumstantial evidence, and a general feeling of secret wrong doing by those in power in our country do not give me comfort. For all practical purposes our civilian ammunition supply has been cut off. Congress must stop President Obama and his ilk from further damage to our country before it is too late. If Congress takes action to the limits of it's powers that will expose ulterior motives if there are any. Start by tossing those mutinous pretenders out of congress who are blatantly violating their oath of office.
@freewill2 @AZIke The words that come to mind are mutinous pretenders.
@West Texan I love Texas, as third generation Oregonian whose ancestors immigrated from Texas. I am sickened by the Blueness of Oregon. Most of Oregon is red but the major population centers are blue and counteract intelligent voting. Many of our Sheriffs have publicly taken the stand on not supporting illegal federal gun legislation but our governor lives to collect federal money. The constant injection of federal dollars into the blue areas of my state control the voting and the Governor. Oregon will follow what ever Obama wishes.
@RTD525 In my eyes that is the real issue. How can Senator Feinstein still be in office after her proposed legislation of 1994 which was and is completely contrary to the limits set down in the constitution? How can the president do so many things which are in violation of the limits enumerated in the constitution and bill of rights (Libya, healthcare, etc.)? These things are the real issue. Gun right infringements are merely distractions placed before us by the propaganda media. The real issue today are the mutinous pretenders occupying positions in our government. They need to be voted out, or otherwise replaced by persons with true American values. Persons who measure all legislation against the ruler of constitutional law. I agree that any proposed rules that are contrary to constitutional law are not laws at all. At the same time how can any person resist then? For instance the Obama care tax? Most persons it will be withheld from their pay checks. Business owners will be forced in other ways to pay it that are less pleasant than resisting it. Property owners always have the loss of their property held over them. I am not trying to be pessimistic. But i think before we can throw off the yolk of tyranny we will first have to reach a much lower state of affairs. Another commenter brought up WW2 and NASA (the moon walk). Those two things brought citizens together like nothing else that i know of. National pride. We need to end the division amongst ourselves before we can do anything about the rot in our government.
@ward7098 Both of those "Acts" were knee jerk reactions to a violent crime at the time. This current bout of "infringement of constitutionally protected rights", is following a tried and true path as happened those two times in our history you mentioned. Also the so called "assault weapons ban" of 1994 was implemented the same way but pressure by citizen letters, phone calls, pressure from the NRA, may have helped to write sunset or retirement into that bill to end in 10 years. Otherwise they did not have enough votes to get it passed. The national media speaks only in government double speak, taking even issues contrary to the stance of anti freedom congresspersons and government and then twisting it to support their stance. I do not wish to dampen anyone's enthusiasm but for me personally I have not seen any method that can really turn back the rot that has invaded our government and congress. Washington DC, including congress is occupied by mutinous pretenders. We have a large generation of persons of voting age or almost voting age that see it differently than we who have seen our liberty and freedom dwindle. Since they have grown up in a world where the government provides breakfast, lunch, and any solutions to everyday gripes and problems (big brother). Have grown up in schools where it is a expelling offense to have a pocket knife. Where if a bully starts a fight even the attacked person is expelled for participating in a fight, (subservience to government above right and wrong). Where children grow from preschool with minimal guidance other than from their teachers, fellows students, and TV.
I look forward to any solution and read almost daily of small ideas that are on the right track but do not really expect anything better than to just slow the process a little bit so that my just born great granddaughter may not live in a state like the USSR. I and many like me are wiling and able to support reforms to the cancerous rot in our government but not by cutting of our noses. I have personal responsibilities to my family and friends, they cannot afford me to be sacrificed through leading a charge. Therefor I cannot charge blindly against who I see as my enemy. I like most persons will whine and complain and see the corruption all around and in the end do vary little to oppose it. The pen is about the only tool left to me.
@ward7098 I don't disagree. But wishing for something is not the same as it happening. There are many within my state and especially in my state government that are more than happy with the status as it is. Every unionized public employee is likely to support state and federal arrangement as it is. We have a great public employee retirement burden in my state that in a few years will exceed the entire state GDP. Those persons have spent much of their lives looking forward to their promised retirement benefits. They have always looked to local and federal government as the end all to all problems. I suspect it to be a easy task to divide allegiance amongst state populations and make those persons seeking a intelligent solution which supports liberty and freedom to be enemies of America. Add to that the national media supporting anything said by government talking heads and what is there then? I am not arguing against you or anything related to the original article. I am just thinking out loud.
@abrayoungham I agree, also I do not receive any federal money so it makes no financial difference to me. My state government is run by federal handouts. I know this from listening to the democrat representatives bragging about how they are important for directing more and more federal money into their districts. They keep getting re-elected. My state would rather go boot licking than stand up for themselves.
@Michael Shipley @WDanChance Mr. Shipley, NASA is a good example of government waste, yes. All government agencies are wasteful but none have come close to the benefit to mankind that has been provided by NASA and space research. NASA and the moon program provided a cohesiveness amongst we Americans that has not been seen since the war effort of WW2.