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I have not read everyone's comments... too many, sorry folks. But, this is my opinion about the whole dms license issue. Personally, I wouldn't mind it if dms was all in the front end editor as it is now, however, that feature should be and remain available only to web designers and developers, and leaving the backend access for edits to the customers. After all, we are the web designers and/or developers, so why should a client have full access to any of the pro dms features "we as developers" invested in? The customer is paying us to build them a professional website, so as such it's my opinion the customer should only have access to the back end, allowing them to edit posts, pages content, media images, and the basic Wordpress editor options maybe like font color changes, sizes, etc.... Leaving the dms/front editor to the web designers and/or developers to do what we do best--design. I think the front end editor is a great start and should be allowed to be locked by us as developers, giving our clients zero access to the front end. It makes no sense to me that a client/customer should have and/or need access to the front end editor anyway, they're not web designers, which is why they're hiring us to do that work. If the client wants to change all the elements you as a web designer and/or developer had to frame up and design from scratch then they might as well become a web designer themselves--no need for your web design services in this case. So, I guess it depends the type of customer/clients you are targeting.
Maybe dms is not currently set up to allow the admin/customer once you hand over the site design to allow for such back end editing, but I would certainly encourage this idea. WP basic theme allows anyone for simple backed end customization, dms should offer a similar set up via the backend so that "we" as web designers can shut off the front end editor, leaving them with your final site design (which is what they're paying you for) and still giving customer edit access to their images and content-- all WP basics. This would make more functional sense and provides web designer the ability to build more designs. This is what I would personally prefer, but then again I'm not after big companies... So to each it's own.
As for licensing concerns as a web designer/pro developer, I think upgrades should be included even without having to pay additional monthly fees. I think if you're having to pay the $288/per year to keep a pro dev license, no additional fees should be required to maintain and support the dms system. Anything beyond that in my opinion would seem a bit greedy.
On a separate note: Pagelines dms staff/CEO, please consider this recommendation. Can you just list in the docs "Where", "What" and "Rule" for the simple purposes of custom css coding. Even with web dev tools this can be a real pain, and making this list available would make it for a much more pleasant and speedy designing experience. One or two examples are good, but it's not sufficient to all of the areas in dms, and I know I'm not alone because from the forum posts even folks with more coding experience are finding this to be a pain too. Thanks.
6 months, 2 weeks ago on DMS Reviews & Roadmap
@arpowersI just sent your company and you an email. I'm a new customer, and to be quite honest I went from excited to get started to now completely upset. On July 23, 2013, I paid for a Pagelines Developer package up front, in full. I was under the impression that I was being transferred to Palines DMS Dev package for free. Which by the way the Pagelines Dev package came packed with a ton of teams, plugins, sections; unlike Pagelines DMS Dev package is very much lacking in that respect. If I thought that I was going to have to pay more money for a product that simply lacking options, themes unless I buy more, and that my Pagelines Dev package would be obsolete/gone, I would have exercised my 30-days money back guaranteed option per your terms. Which I was still under when you launched DMS. However, it appears that you company did not give me the proper grandfather, or credit upgrade from the pagelines dev package to dms dev package, and instead has decided to charge me additional recurring monthly fees "unauthorized" or unbeknownst to me. I never placed my card on record, I made a one-time up front purchased which was paid in full, so I don't know how you all got my credit card in the first place, but you did not have permission to do so. I have emailed about this today, I have also posted in the forum, and I'm replying to you here, because this is important, and I need my credit card removed from your files, my acct credit properly, and requesting a refund for unauthorized fees that were recently made. If in deed, I'm not being grandfathered in as I thought I was, then I will also request a full refund for my original purchase made July 23, 2013 for $197. I own several frameworks, and premium themes now, separate from Pagelines, and none cost me this kind of headache or monies. I am not interested in paying $288 for a product that in my opinion is beta material, and in turn took away features, benefits, sections, plugins away from my original purchase. I would have simply kept he basic free version over the few sections in DMS dev considering the cost. So, I'm anticipating a prompt response to what your license covers under the Pagelines DMS Dev package compared to my original purchase of Pagelines Dev package, refund for unauthorized charges, or I will be forced to report this to the proper authorities. I don't feel safe keeping my information with your company as you said you had been hacked, so should I assume this is a total negligence error on your end, or that someone hacked your records and stole my credit card? As a new customer, I am not happy with this event, or the choices that I'm given without much clarification. Please send me a response. Thank you.
7 months ago on DMS Reviews & Roadmap
@bfrye26 I just came across this post via my email, and thought maybe I can help you. I thought the same thing, but what I think it is those plugins you mentioned BBpress, Woocommerce, Buddypress, are not a part of the DMS system. So, it does not come in the panels, and/or it's not a drag and drop section or plugin within inside of the DMS panels. However, you can still get those 3rd party plugins you mentioned here, and add them as you normally would any other plugin via Wordpress. Still working as it maybe did in the past. When you look at the image in the video that's his back end panel and not the actual DMS panel. I made the same error and probably watched that video like 10x trying to pick up all the details. Hope this helps answer your question, but if I am wrong in this response my apologies in advance. :)
7 months, 2 weeks ago on Your DMS awaits.
@Matthew01970 @cindyjbryant @florantcreative Ah, thank you Matthew. I'm just now catching your comment. I am working on getting two different websites up. One for my portraiture, and another for my wildlife. I don't want to mix the two. I have one that is not pagelines for wildlife, but I've stopped it half way to get familiar with DMS and build both my sites via dms instead. So right now my www.CindyJBryant.com is the DMS site I'm messing around with for my portraiture site. On that note, Facebook and Flickr are the only two forums that I use to display my images. Thanks again! :)
@florantcreative@cindyjbryantHi Sean! yes, I can share what I did, but I'm afraid I'm a total newbie not just to DMS, but also to coding in general and lack the know-how. I went to school for it, but honest it was a joke. So, I'm still learning the ropes and do not have the knowledge most of the developers do. So, I can share, but I don't think I've done it right, because I'm still wanting to add some changes to it. Can you send me a message via Facebook and I'll send ya what I did. Maybe we can both help each other. I've already emailed Pagelines many suggestions in the hopes they're going to implement it soon. I hope. I'm really a photographer and I love using lots of images and big ones too, so I'm needing a lot of extras that is not currently available via DMS, but I'm faithful these guys will listen and add them asap. So far I'm LOVING the drop and drag DMS experience. Seriously, when these guys get themselves set up with all the kinks this is going to be the hottest way to design websites! And believe me when I tell you I'm a newbie, so if I can do it anyone can, and I'm not affiliated to Pagelines at all, I'm just a new "pro" developer package customer. So, send me your questions to my Facebook messaging this is where I can be reached best: https://www.facebook.com/CindyJBryant
PS. I'm not on here as much, but I do check it periodically just to see what's going on and if I can learn something new mysefl. :)
@nokow @cindyjbryant I didn't try that, but wondering if you can just add a colum section and inside of it add two mediabox, and just adjust the width via the little numbers arrow at the top of each box. I know this sounds crazy, but I don't know the correct terms, sorry. Just trying to be helpful I guess. That should be available in your basic version anyway.
@nokow I don't know if this is the answer for ya, but try the "mediabox" instead and see if that helps you for now. I went through that a few hours ago. :)
@Diego Valencia In the front end of your DMS panel, go to Account >> Support >> DMS Documentation
You're probably going to laugh at me, I'm not much for a twitter user. I'm better with Facebook messaging. Would it be okay if you could reach there? Thanks. Here's my link to Facebook. https://www.facebook.com/CindyJBryant
@etc @cindyjbryant Hi there. Thanks for the response. Okay, so I'll try to find you via twitter, I'm not on twitter as much... I'm a Facebook girl. But, I do have a question and hope you can send me another reply here. When you say you can send me a "base theme/section file" what are your referring to exactly. I ask because in my DMS panel, under templates I have 1) Default Template/Standard, 2) Feature Template, 3) Landing Page Template. I believe I'm using the 3) Landing Page Template. I did add two plugins that I found via Wordpress that helped me out a bit with my left side menu and social icons. So, back to your suggestion, is it another base theme? Thanks.
Oh, and I finally found where to get rid of the Pagelines branding logo. I feel so silly that I didn't catch it sooner, it's in the navbar section... duh.
@jdbrasesco Which shopping cart are you using? I'm curious for myself. Thanks.
I just emailed you a few updates on my DMS experience so far, and attached a screenshot as well in the hopes you can help me out. Also, I'm a new customer to Pagelines, I purchased my "Pro" or "Developers Package in full two weeks or so ago. So, I had not really played with Pagelines much, however, I was thrilled about having all the extras that came with my pro acct like the themes, extra sections, plugins, etc... I am disappointed that you guys did not transfer at the very least some or most of those extra sections and plugins for the developers package. Those are a deal breaker. I have faith that you will still do the right thing and transfer most of the extra sections and plugins, even if you can't give us all the themes. The DMS so far works great for me. I'm using Chrome on a mac laptop, and although I love Firefox and prefer it over Chrome, I am okay with it. It's working just fine for me. I did re-installed my database from scratch just to be sure everything worked out okay.
So, for those newbies like myself still out there, or new customers I have zero affiliation to Pagelines, and I just bought their Pagelines a few weeks ago and started messing around with DMS as of yesterday with the basic, and then activated my pro acct and have been working on it since. I found somethings a bit easy as a newbie, but others frustrating, possibly a matter of not knowing my way around just yet. As a photographer, I like using big images, and there a few things that I would like to see improve in that dept, I have emailed you about this earlier. This is a big deal to me because I have not been able to complete a wordpress website as of yet, and it's because most frameworks, themes never plan out the way they look on preview, after you install it. Which is what drove me to Pagelines, hoping to find my solution. So, far it's a lot easier than any other framework, and/or theme I've come across. So, I'm hopeful for the future with DMS.
If anyone is interested you can check out what I've done so far with the first page. Now, remember folks I'm not a web designer/developer like some of you out there, and I am totally new at this stuff so don't rip me apart with it. I'm going for simple for now, and hope that when I learn the ropes I can do some cool stuff. I can design, I just don't know the back end stuff well enough. Here's my new DMS site. go to www.CindyJBryant.com
I'm still working on it. And I'm still trying to figure things out. But, please do add the "Pagelines Customizer Plugin" to the store "free" section where is supposed to be-- I don't have it available and I need it.