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@arpowers @DenisCiumbargi @bolvyk @knowtheoffers Hello arpowers, I wasnt grandfathered into any of the levels you offered, I was advised to pay for upgrade.
1 year, 2 months ago on DMS Reviews & Roadmap
@bolvyk @knowtheoffers I have not upgraded to the DMS, due to the subscription model, and PL response was very simple when i made contact, i have to subscribe to Business DMS or the next one up. No concession but the general offer of 10% discount for the year.
From my experience, its only a matter of time every one will be forced to go DMS way.
I think what i found annoying is their silence on lots of complain and ignoring customers reaction to the issue of subscription, after thinking through it, personally am not bound to PL, i downloaded the basic one at the initial stage and thankfully i didnt upgrade my PL sites as i know their will be lots of problems which i guess still exist.
I wish them well but for me DMS is not an option for my clients and knowing that at some point light will be out on PL, I am preparing to move sites from PL to other frameworks that will serve my clients needs.
1 year, 3 months ago on DMS Reviews & Roadmap
Its amazing how PL have just ignore all the complains that were left on previous post and assume all is well, and since the number of download is increasing and you are getting some cash from new members, the rest of us that have issues doesnt matter anymore.... shocking i must say how PL doesnt think its wise to reach out to customers that have been with you for a while... instead i guess you trade us all in for new ones or should i say you using your words you grandfather us all out into the cold... :)
You have been embolden because of top reviews, and i guess on your twitter feeds its all about how great DMS is and complains are nothing to you.. thats good PR spin.
@PetraNiedermoser @rabergemann So i guess those of us who are not pageline plus members but have developer license are grandfather out into the cold or we have to pay to be grandfathered into the warmth of DMS lol... sounds funny but am not pleased with Andrew and his team, its a bull dog approach which means all they are concern about is DMS and not PL which i guess have been using for over 3years or more... to be a loyal customer means nothing to PL...
i wish you all well and i shall be closing my account as soon as my transfer to your competitor is finalise.
1 year, 3 months ago on Coming back online…
Decision time is close by following the response from Pagelines that my developer license and loyalty earns me nothing on the new platform than to pay for subscription in other to use DMS, i thinks its time to say good bye to PL... and best wshes for the future.
1 year, 3 months ago on Your DMS awaits.
@blogmylunch @knowtheoffers I have a developer license for PL framework so whatever license you have you must sign up for a subscription if you want to use DMS.
Its a fresh start, if you want DMS you pay period, plugins and section that you bought from them will still work.
@blogmylunch I got this response from PL today
@knowtheoffers The Developer license will be for the Framework, you will need to sign up for a Business or Dev subscription for DMS
@nphaskins @knowtheoffers I understand what you guys are saying, but if you have lots of clients, even though money is coming out of their ears they just dont throw money out that way, its Pagelines culture of roll out a new tool increase the price, yes they must live as they are not charity, I have my options ready part of me dont expect PL to change their mind ( so far they have maintained silence :) ) so assuming they dont throw loyalty of people like myself into wind and force me down subscription road, their is not a lot i can do, I will take my business somewhere else, so its no big deal for me, life goes on.
@MichaelDevaney @nphaskins trust me we are not complaining, its about the cost.
@artohoff I think they should hit the rod while its hot...
@Martin Bay In as much as Pagelines claim they want to make people happy, i dont think they will make us happy and I am not sure if they will change their minds about the pricing but time will tell..
@mattmatt You are funny
@mattmatt I think its a work in progress, though I have my reservation about the whole noise around it, the PL family is busy with the demo today at 10ampst so my guess is the demo will show us more of what the all singing and dancing DMS can do
@x3mgroup @Matthew01970 I guess they are preparing a statement to woo us all over :)..
Am waiting as well and I have back up plans, trust me in 2years time ( i think they tend to roll out new wonders every two years or so ) if you are still with PL, expect another roll out and you will pay more :) - its a cashcow concept. The cost of DMS own plugins or sections really put me off, I guess long live the 26000 free WP plugins
the use of number 300 with the new DMS makes me laugh and it reminds me of the movie 300 lol
@MaxwellBoardman @Brenden Its frozen so that when its finally thaw, we are all washed into DMS lol..
@mikkelbreum @Brenden I must say I agree with @mikkelbreum, I hold a Headwaytheme developer license and this is my confession time :) even though I have PL, HT has been a weapon of choice recently for me in all my projects, simple, clear, and easy to use, from what i have seen so far of DMS is good but HT moved into this concept of DMS or whatever PL wants to call it - i guess its like when the word web 2.0 showed up in the websphere :)
If PL doesnt play ball, all my PL sites will be moved unto HT.
I am waiting for what @pagelines will do
@martin Pagelines I have emailed support last night and no response, its wise PL be upfront as per what current license holder will receive in the launch of DMS, the dust is settling and if PL get it wrong, thats it.
@Brenden @knowtheoffers @mikkelbreum I couldnt agree more to what you said @Brenden. what i have learnt from my experience is every one rush towards the latest stuff which is great but some clients dont really need some of this singing and dancing effects, so in as much as i do like PL, my concern has always been that, lots of sites have seen built by it are all in "your face" i guess this is with the designer. Anyway i hope Andrew Power does the right thing.
@ChristopherGriggs I share your view, i think PL needs to learn from their experience that every time they roll out new stuff their pricing structure is always the problem, people get excited and reality kicks in - the cost to us and how do we charge clients.
Its worth waiting a bit to see whats going to happen, in as much as they throw in some discount to get everyone to buy the DMS, dont get carried away, they must offer something better for long standing customers
also the question i do ask myself is, do i or my client need DMS for their site? some will & some dont, this is now I will approach my projects as it doesnt add up to subscribe when in reality the project doesnt need all the singing and dancing effects of DMS.
@mikkelbreum I think its wise to wait before buying this DMS machine. :) do note their will also be some issues as its new, so if you are not desperate, wait, test the basic version and watch where the wind is blowing before sailing.
Thats what am doing.
I am glad the dust is settling for most people about Pagelines especially those of us that use it for business.
have asked but no response yet about the new cashcow machine that PL
have now roll out, the tool is great but I feel the DMS is a way of
forcing those of us that have developer license with PL for over 3 years
to go via the route of subscription, I had similar issue during the
last roll of PL and I can still dig up my email conversation with
What is going to happen to PL developer license? Is Andrew going to move us to DMS developer ?
Will there be support or how long will you be supporting PLS for?
The new charges is what it all boils down to.
we need answers, for some of us, and i stress for some of us, this is
the break or make moment, we cant force you to change the pricing
neither can you force us to stay with PL, so what are you going to offer
us as customers, bearing in mind, some of us have used PL for lots of
websites of which at least for me if their is no good offer on the table
am afraid I will have to switch.
@arpowers I am keen to know how much you guys are going to charge me that will be what will make me stay or leave PL. I hope for us that have PL developer license are not forced to pay to access some much needed features of the DMS
1 year, 3 months ago on Using PageLines: Articles & Resources
Looking forward to the release of the DMS, have followed all the discussion on your site but i have a number of questions for you which might be answered when this finally goes live.
One of my concerns is the new DMS store which shows various monthly charges for difference licenses, it seems pagelines is heading down the road of a cashcow, i have the developer license and its your pattern that you charge more for every "new" stuff you roll out and during your last roll out of PL i had no choice than to buy it because i build a prominent site with PL
Will current pagelines still be supported and for how long? I guess within a year or two, you will come up with another inspiration which will mean we have to pay.
Definitely this DMS might be the break or make it for me with PL...
I hope this new 3 layered tool ( i called it ) will live up to the hype and ultimately will be easy to use, and well supported.
1 year, 3 months ago on What is a DMS?