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Thank you Martin... Please let me know an ETA as I tend to grow very impatient when I spend money on things with the promise of something that I don't get in the end. Long story short, I am not fond of being lied too. Thanks again Martin
11 months ago on <i class="icon icon-sun"></i> The Karma System
I just made two purchases too build my karma points up and help other programmers. That is good karma right?
It is extremely BAD karma too dupe someone out of their karma points as PL has just done with me. I waws only compensated for 1 purchase. The other 20 points never showed up. So the one thing that I really wanted with my Karma points I now have too wait. Shouldn't I get more karma for having too wait, and for my inconvenience?
I am frustrated cause what I want is now out of reach. What I wanted was once a part of the original framework but now in the DMS system you have too earn. I want my "Post Pins" I earned them :(
@erwanlescop @Kyle_n_Irving @flidget Unfortunately you are not wrong...
1 year ago on Coming back online…
@PetraNiedermoser @Brenden Very well put Petra I could not agree more. I personally would give you oudles of karma points. You have been more patient then me, that is for sure. I had to start taking yoga classes this week just to keep calm lol While we wait and gain "Karma points" for our patience, we look unprofessional to our clients. I despise liars and lieing and I am not about to use the lame excuse to my clients that PL did with us, "We were hacked...whaa" wait we were hacked again... Come on enough is enough. Put it up or shut up... I mean how hard is it to just put up the old platform as well.
@knowtheoffers @PetraNiedermoser @rabergemann Who is the competitor??? Are they strapped wtih Bootstrap? I may get my money back then follow you out the door. I have tried to get PL to sell my co. their old platform which was still new for us ("PageLines") and then they can continue with their "DMS" and just let us take over PL but no word. I just want the old back up so those who want the old can roll and those who want to convert feel free...no pun intended
By End of Week:
@PetraNiedermoser And you were giving me a hard time about my patience the other day lol. We spent one week in workflow workshops to learn this new system and they dumped it on us 2 weeks later. Grrrrrr I feel your frustrations... Hang in there... In the mean-while you might want to bust out notepad and start programing the ol' fasioned way ;)
@flidget @Kyle_n_Irving I trully find it hard to believe as well that any of this was to do with a hacker lol. IMO it was not a hacker but a slacker.
@Kyle_n_Irving@BrendenNo my intention is not in insult. It is to point out that sticking up for PL is not going to get things fixed. It simply sends a message of tollerance. A message that says it is ok to screw those who have already paid good money and just want to go back to doing what we do best and that is not complaining about there lack on forums. We just want to get back to programming.
We paid for convenience and your statement, "just can't access the pagelines dashboard at the moment" is counterdictive. The fact that none of us "just can't access the pagelines dashboard at the moment" denotes that it is broken. This is a big inconvenience when we are trying to access our store and prior purchases, sections, plugins, etc.
Your happy, that is great, I am happy that you are happy. However, if I were like you I would still be stuck with a pair of shoes I bought online that fell apart. No, I want and get what I paid for or I get refunded, as we all should.
@Kyle_n_Irving @Brenden All new workflows take a little getting used too. I appreciate the friendly advise on where to find it. I do know where to find it though.
However, I beg to differ with you and so will over 200 people who have complained about DMS being broken. I am glad you have 2 sites running on it. However, my company purchased the "Old Framework" Pro Dev v and we put up over 20 sites in 2 weeks that are now also broken because they have failed to complete a smooth transition. PL is failing misserably and you will not get any brownie points for sticking up for their failures, you will only get a brown nose.
They had a great platform and they dumped it for greed. I don't blame them for wanting to make more money, we all want that, but too force those who don't want to go to the DMS system is just greed and bad business.
@PageLines Come on guys, what are you doing!!! We are all being very patient. All we are asking is stop trying to force us into your broken piece of "DMS" and reactivate the old. Give us a choice! Let those who want to migrate do so and let the rest of us continue on our merry way. We understand that this is your world and we are just living in it. However, don't forget, we purchased land in your little world. That should entitle us to a little say.
@Invisioning @Brenden what is your website? we will keep you informed if they do.
1 year ago on Your DMS awaits.
@Invisioning @Brenden Very well put and I completely agree. I am a huge fan of their old framework that is why I am trying to get them to sell us the old platform. We will pick up where they left off if they do :)
@PetraNiedermoser I will cash in my chips with that smile :) have to go but I will keep you informed on vogelwild.at :)
@AlexJuchniewicz@simplesitesLook at poor ol' blogmylunch he just spent good money on a theme that is broken as well. Do you think he wants to "let's give them a break shall we?" No he wants what he paid for. Not less then what he paid for.
@AlexJuchniewicz @Brenden @simplesites yes but invisioning made a good point. You don't throw out the old until the new is working and it is no different both ways you are out of good money spent.
@Invisioning We are right there with you on that one. We have a client that hired us to develop a non profit site before he dies. He was given 6mo in Jan so he is already on borrowed time. We don't have time to start over. We were counting on PL. They have let us all down :(
@AlexJuchniewicz@simplesitesHmmm that really isn't a good excuse though Alex. If you just bought a new car and the breaks went out because of a bug, would you be so quick to say, "let's give them a break shall we?" knowing that you just smashed your new car and are out all that money?
@PetraNiedermoser Business takes place in public all the time. Coffee shops, elevators, restraunts. Besides there is no better place to start with something like this. It lets others know not everyone is willing to dump them after the first date :)
@blogmylunch @Brenden So where are you taking donations and do you have a contract in PDF drawn up for partners?
@blogmylunch @Brenden No I am not saying hire one just tell them, "I don't want to have to get my lawyer involved but I will if I have to" However, you may want to check into those things first. Cause if it is a requirements thing like needing to have PHP 5.3 or some other scripting language avail then and it mentions that fact in the about the product on TF then unfortunately it is on you. However, again if it were me I would get into PL asap. Just saying.
@blogmylunch @Brenden Does it mention any requirements in the informaton about the theme. Sounds like a PHP issue Godaddy is I believe using PHP 5.3 Have you tried disabling any plugins that you have? It could also be JS conflicting.
@blogmylunch @Brenden by the way Themeforest is obligated to refund anything that does not work. Keep pushing them. Sometimes you have to throw the words lawyer at them to get them to respond.
@blogmylunch @Brenden use that money to put it on PL & where are you raising money my co. will donate. What do we get for our donations? Every minute spent on that is killing you. Especially with those that want to invest. Fortunately we can see past the mess to see the potential. But like I said get into PL NOW don't wait. You can always cancel later. Or when your site is doing well continue for the convenience.
@PetraNiedermoser Yea, I just got an email from them that said, "for the lifetime of the product" which in laymens terms is their legal loop hole. If they decide to dump it or shelf it then the lifetime of that product will expire with it. Not good for us that is why I am trying to talk them into selling the old platform to our company :) We would never do that. It is just unethical and not good business.
@blogmylunch If it is like the old way then the difference is : Support, Bells & Whistles, & unlimited sites that you own. Either way PL is a great solution for blogmylunch.com Your concept is awesome but your theme is killing you. On my screen stuff was everywhere out of place. Just my opinion but if I had a great idea like that I would get myself into PageLines right away :)
Hey PageLines. My company would like to purchase your old platform since you will no longer be supporting it. We would like to pick up where you left off. Let's talk $ How much? We just don't want to see people left on the curbside who built their clients sites on top of your old framework because of an incompatibillity with future WP versions or Plugins. Let me know :)
@AlexJuchniewicz @Brenden Thank you for your suggestion however, I don't have an issue. I have the Old Pro version before DMS so getting DMS is not a viable solution unless they plan on implementing my idea. I am very happy with the Framework Only.
My issue if I have one at all is that I paid nearly $200 for a Framework not even 2 weeks old and it is not going to be supported any longer. This creates a huge problem if plugins or WP itself ever becomes uncompatible with PL. All of the sites that I have already built on PL or others have built will break.
I will start with the Good.
It looks and feels good. I am sure for newbs it is nice to feel like they can do it themselves now. To not have to beat their head against the wall trying to understand what they did wrong. For pros, yes it may feel a little cluncky at first, but doesn't all new work-flows. I also like the drag and drop WYSIWYG interface, and you should definately be rewarded handsomely for your work. It is your fluglebinder (little plastic piece on the end of your shoelace). Singers and actors get royalties why shouldn't you for your poetic code.
The Bad: I don't like the fact that things are disabled when you stop paying your dues. If something is broken in my house I throw it away or try to fix it. I also don't like the fact that you will no longer support the old, which for me and a lot of others may not even be that old as we just started working with your framework. People who bought a Framework Only and didn't get your subscription before did so for a reason. They liked your foundation but didn't want the hassle of dues. I am fine with one or two version updates only till the point when it becomes uncompatible with a newer version of WP. What about all the many clients that programers already built sites for on top of your old framework. What happens when WP has a newer version that is no longer compatible, or plugins for the same reason.
THE SOLUTION: When people stop their payments have an update sent to their dashboard that reminds them to pay or it will be disabled. At that point if they "Choose" to stop payment and they click on a "Finished" button (indicating that they are finished using your AMAZING tool set) let the finished button install a version that is similar to the "Framework Only" version. In this way you can continue to update your AWESOME foundation but for those who are ready to hand it off to there client it will not come with broken or disabled parts. Maybe it is just me but I don't think my clients would apprecitate paying through the nose for a website that my company just designed for them and see items that they can't use. Those are just questions that I would rather avoid.
Or at the very least give us all an option like before and continue to support the old. I don't want to be the one to say I told you so when things start to break in the future because sites that were already built on your "FABULOUS" old framework becomes uncompatible. Then people start talking smack about PageLines when really the only thing that is wrong is discontinuing a masterpiece. Pablo Picasso's old works of art didn't stop selling just because they discovered a newer and better one.
Remeber when you read this: I am not coming down on PageLines. I come in piece, and I am simply pointing out that their fly is down and they might want to zip it up. I offer a solution not just picking on the bad. I also started this thread with a compliment. So please if you comment back to me keep that in mind :) I love all of you my fellow veteran programmers...Ok you too newbs so be nice lol
@CaseyGraffix @Brenden @Matthew01970 @nphaskins Because if PL old framework for some reason doesn't work or is not compatible with a future version of WP then they will be contractually obligated to fix it or build out a newer version.
@Matthew01970 @nphaskins @Brenden You don't have to be a lawyer to know that it is a breach of contract. If they promised you free upgrades for life then they have to contractually abide by this. Less they have a massive lawsuit by all of the customers that they have duped.
@nphaskins@redefilerWell they are not supporting the old version anymore so he has a point oh and by the way... last time I spend good money on your programing. I have purchased
several of your products...no more. I think you know what I am talking
about. I am simply saying they should be offering an alternative option
like they did before. Stand alone only and continuing suport on the
ok last time I spend good money on your programing. I have purchased several of your products...no more. I think you know what I am talking about. I am simply saying they should be offering an alternative option like they did before. Stand alone only and continuing suport on the old
@nphaskins @Brenden Ok that really didn't make any sense
@MaxwellBoardmanTroll come on. I don't think anyone here is being cruel for voicing our oppinions. If all they wanted was positive feed back they would block anything negative. No, they want to hear about the good, the bad, and the ugly. The ugly fact is yes, it is greed when you only give people one choice. Before they offered several options. You could even get the framework and a membership if you so choosed to. Now they only have the one choice.
@soulhuntre You do a nice job programming though for someone who can't read lol ;) Just busting your chops man. I give credit where credit is due. Just next time read all of my posts to get a sense of where I am coming from before you jab.
@soulhuntre @Brenden Hey Mike (Teacher) , you still in here with us, we have another one who can't read. If you knew how to read then you would see that I have nothing against the old way PageLines did things, just what they have become. I also happen to love their framework, I think they did a great job with it. I just feel like they gave in to the dark side. I don't think anyone is asking them to give anything away, and last time I checked the 500$ I have given them in framework sections and plugins was not free. I think what the vast majority is saying is give us a choice like they did before.
@knowtheoffers @mikkelbreum @Brenden @pagelines I hear you guys but the problem is not really PL or HT for me. I am fine with a nice solid framework that utilizes Bootstrap (Personal Pref) Where I have a problem is monthly payments. I don't like them unless I am the recipient :) As I understand it HT is a pay as you go system as well. So, as much as I would like to see whose framework is better, I guess I am just not ready to feed the greed monster. Thanks for the heads up though guys.
@mikkelbreum @knowtheoffers Not quite ready to give in to the ol' greed monster yet. I think I will stick with some ol' fashioned programing.
@mikkelbreum @Brenden I thought I would be excited to see the DMS but still don't like the pricing structure. I know you and others keep saying it is the same everywhere else. But I don't see how that justifies anything. That is like your lanlord raising your rent just becuase everyone else on the block is. That is nothing more then greed. I just bought in to PL and they are already hitting me with upgrading to subscription for life Bull Malarchy. That only turns me off and makes me want to go to Genesis at least they are a one time fee still. As well as they have been around for a long time. Good luck buddy
@knowtheoffers @martin Pagelines I have sent them several emails. They are terrible about replying to your emails. If there old framework wasn't so good I would be gone already. If the only option I would have ever had was their subscripton based platform only I would have never even have given them the time of day.
@sheasbys @mikkelbreum @knowtheoffers Well looks like if PageLines doesn't heed to all of the customer complaints about there solution being there way or no way subscription for life. Then I imagine a lot of us will be heading over to Genesis. Thanks for the heads up
@mikkelbreum Oh please do keep me informed how it goes. What site will you be building it on? I would love to watch the progress. I want to believe in the future of PageLines but I think their future is in the past. I think they should have an alternative solution to offer like they did before. Instead of forcing everyone to give in like you did. I will tell you this mike, the old framework was awesome, still is. I have built 5 sites on it. I was going to upgrade to a higher stand alone but now it seems there is no way to do this. Guess PL doesn't want our money lol. Good luck with that.
@Dannyh Well I suppose since it is not too late for me to get a refund and you guys are giving it away for free there is no reason to pay 139.00 unless you have a reason I paid 139.00. However, from you answer, I gather I waisted my money.
@Dannyh @Brenden Then why did I pay 139.00 ???
@martin Pagelines @EnteGrato I am having the same issue where do we download the old versions "Framework Standalone" and can we still upgrade them to something besides the DMS. I don't want to pay a monthly premium.
@knowtheoffers @mikkelbreum I just want to see some sort of stand alone version like before. Or continue with the old way as well. Why throw out the baby with the bath water. Give people a choice. You lose a lot of customers by trying to force them all through one door.
@redefiler @ginoginelli @mikkelbreum BAZINGA! Nice one Redefiler
@ginoginelli @Brenden @mikkelbreum Remember who cast the first stone. If you knew how to read you would see that I said good things about PageLines old framework and to quote you bashing someone else cause that is all you seem to be good at, "what planet are you from, cause it sure isn't earth" or you would understand that speach is a freedom given to everyone to voice there oppinions, good or bad. It is not for you to badger someone for doing so. If they didn't want to hear peoples oppinions they wouldn't welcome them with a comment section. Oh wait I get it, you are one of those guys who beefs up there site with only the positive comments and delets the negetive feed back. Wait is that why your site looks so barren. Now I get it, yup your right. I was a retard for not seeing that earlier. It all makes sense now. Thank you for opening my eyes.