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@rosslunney I think this latest idiot Superman must of been made for you.
1 year, 8 months ago on Why Man of Steel is receiving bad reviews and the public loves this Superman
@TylerDogs83 @sefy76 @Contrabardus Your a contradiction in terms , lol
I haven't got time to catch up on the details in the latest conversations, but firstly! SM2, Zod was not killed and was not intended to be so by Superman! they might not show his final fate but we know from the directors intentions and motivation for this Superman that he WAS NOT KILLED. There really is no arguing it! its a fact. Those first two movies crafted everything brilliantly, especially showing superman having superior intelligence I might add!! which MOS iCOMPLETELY misses! in fact MOS Superman is kind of an idiot, a complete moron.
A question, or maybe a statement. In regards to the difference between now and the 80s marketing and earnings etc
If a good director basically remade a faithful copy of Donners movie, with new actors and with very little other changes other than an update to the suit and the latest CGi to help create the fight scenes. This movie was then put up against MoS, I say it would murder MoS at the box office!
because it would be a Superman that people actually in their heart of hearts want to see, apart from simply being a far superior story and presentation. MoS is a hideous bastard that some jacked up American patriot thinks people want to see (no offense to Americans in general) I find the MoS superman hopeless, joyless and completely unlikable. The editing, pacing and CGi is terrible, the casting is mostly laughably obvious and the studio clearly aren't that happy or confident with the rendition as he is not even getting his own sequel!!. Do not try and say its Superman with Batman appearing because it isn't! Its BATMAN vS SUPERMAN , they knew they had to throw in a curve ball to make any sequel with this lame duck Superman profitable. All my own opinion of course. Glad I got that off my chest again.
@ranting_swede Yes, I went to see Pacific Rim last Friday and thoroughly enjoyed it. Unlike any film with Goyer and Nolan attached it isn't pretentious, it isn't trying to be a smart arse, its a simple story, strong likable characters, massive robots fighting massive monsters, fantastic CGi with a happy ending!. Yes the dialogue was so, so and a bit cheesy, buts its supposed to be isnt it! its a HD B movie. It was never trying to bullshit me like every Nolan film I have watched, (inc all the Batman abominations.)
@Pop Sequentialism wooahh hang on! got to pull you up on this " There are so many plot holes and instances of foolishness in Man of Steel that it's hard to believe Christopher Nolan had any hand in it at all". Nolan's Batman movies are FULL of plots holes and foolishness, not to mention terrible editing and scene transitions. The first 10 min of Inception is the worst editing I have ever seen.
p.s. Man of Steel is an abomination
1 year, 8 months ago on Batman and Superman team up film is coming in 2015
Well well well!...I wonder if MoS had been better received, would we be getting this team up sequel?. Looks a lot more like "oh shit! we need something better than our limited imagination and skills can muster up! so best throw Batman into the mix!". Just a thought
As a fan of the characters (not the awful writers/director involved) I look forward to seeing another rendition of Batman, but the damage is done to their idea of the Superman character so I have little interest in the sequel and look forward to a reboot in a few years.
My guess is they will just stuff some other bloke into the crappy Nolan Batman suit!
@ty19c @DannybohyI should do some research before taking my kids to see a SUPERMAN movie, really? is that what the world has come to!. This movie is a 12A!! in the UK, Nowhere in the trailers does it indicate that I will see cold blooded neck snapping murder!. It wasn't needed in 5 Superman movies before it after all!. If the neck snapping scene was changed/removed the movie could have received a PG in the UK , which would be more suitable for a Superman movie. I would assume by your ignorance that you don't have children!, during the less climate UK weather they happily sit through the Donner movie every other weekend! just they will sit and watch any TV show they enjoy and they will sit through movies at the cinema just fine! . You like the Donner movie and they are classic, yet you find them boring! that makes no sense, you like boring films?
@ty19c @Dannybohy Then they clearly made MOS for people just like yourself, which is a shame for everyone else.
The best part of SM:TM is the fact it takes its time and it builds up to Clark becoming Superman!. It doesn't miss anything for the sake of getting to the punch line quickly! and when it does peak and Jor El gives his final speech before Superman flies out of the Fortress its a fantastic pay off and still the single best scene in any Superhero movie to date! in fact its a great scene from movie history full stop. I feel kind of sorry for you that you don't see it like that, but hey you have MoS an now and another depressing and pretentious sequel with no doubt another boring Batman portrayal to look forward to?
@MichaelRTrice @ty19c @Dannybohy Like I said the UK ratings are completely different , please keep that in mind it is very different in my circumstances.
@ty19c @sefy76 AHEM!! actually in Avengers the lead character deliberately and purposefully made every effort to protect and save the civilians and keep the fighting in as small an area as possible. its all in Captain Americans battle plan dialogue in that scene.
@ty19c @trans8010 @Dannybohy You think its sad that people notice terrible transition and cuts and general bad film making!. I would argue that its more worrying that you didn't notice it!. On a side note, I watched District 9 again last night! the CGi is flawless as is the cuts and transitions, character development and general storytelling!...considering the budget differences, what is MoS excuse?....
@DrakeJaeger I cant stand any of the Nolan Batman movies, they are dreadful, depressing and pretentious beyond belief (just like MoS). Add to that the terrible dialogue, awful acting and the worst fight scenes ever put on film! yeh the worst batman portrayal in any medium in my book! and that includes the 60's tv series!. Putting fantasy character in the bogus 'realistic' worlds is a pretentious pile of nonsense! It might have fan in the young and angst twitter generation who are used to depressing news and death everywhere, but its a betrayal of the original creations and the creators would be spinning in their graves imo
@trans8010 @Another_Dude_Abides @Dannybohy its terrible, the one from Supes and Lois in the interrogation room, then cut to middle of desert was the most shocking!!.. the editing though out is so fucking bad
@BCA It is easy, it was done over 30 years ago. Superman is Superman and the story essential remains the same, otherwise its not Superman is it. You cant tell the Superman story without covering what you call "same old, same old". So the whole concept of making excuses that its a new /Modern take on Superman is flawed. A terrible movie is a terrible movie. This movie took out all the elements that make Superman the story great! dipped it in gloom and added mass murdering and completely arrogant and unlikable Superman.
@sefy76 @GregArrigotti Sefy is right! I wish I had never taken my kids to see this movie. I now have to train the memory from their minds with multiple views of Donners version and EVEN yes EVEN Superman Returns, which post MoS I genuinely have a new appreciation for!...
@jparlee321 Synder is a fucking idiot then who doesnt understand SUperman. The idea is that he if raised with the moral to know that he shouldn't just break someone neck. In MoS they raised a fucking idiot! as the HOW IT SHOULD OF ENDED demonstrates! why didn't he just go and see Jor EL once Zod arrived?? he could have told him about the Phantom Drive there and then! and Clark could have ambushed Zod!!!....
that the problem Roger! its not a fun comic book movie!!.
I took my 6 and 3 yr olds to see it! while the movie lost me in the first 20min, they where enjoying it for the big screen spectacle! then the end Superman breaks the guys neck!! what the F**k!! That isnt Superman , not a Superman any decent human being would actually want to see! . I am ok with it! i have explained to my sons that the film is awful and the real Superman would never ever do that and just put the Blu ray of the Donner movie on for them the same weekend :)
@Another_Dude_Abides @Dannybohy @sefy76 I can assure you I have missed nothing. There was nothing to miss because the most important scene (even in the Moses story in the bible) is the discover of Kals ship in the field. The point you make in reference to biblical subtext actual reinforces my point for me. Why was it completely missing? for the sake of a couple of minutes extra flashback we missed out on the ESSENTIAL scene, the potential that scene holds for character development , an emotional and uplifting scene. Two parents who could not have children find a baby in a field and the mother falls in love! . not including it was both sacrilege to the Superman origin and more TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE storytelling from Goyer!.
@sefy76 @jparlee321 HOW IT SHOULD HAVE ENDED, shows the massive pile SHIT that MoS is! why the fuck has Goyer got a job!! . Watch it! the end bit with Aquaman is great
To the apologists who think the terrible script was intentional and its a Superman that is still learning not to put people at risk of Death, destroying cities, government property, clothes theft and murder!. THE WHOLE IDEA OF SUPERMAN AND HIS ORIGINS IS THAT HE WAS RAISED BY WELL BY THE KENTS AND THEN TRAINED WITH HIS FATHER TO HAVE ALL THE GREAT QUALITIES ALREADY , BEFORE HE EVER PUTS ON THE SUIT. No one would mind a different telling, we can handle changes to the suit or additions to origins but this is just terrible imagining of the Superman character that skipped the best parts of the origins and goes against everything great about him!. If they had cut 10 min of Death and destruction scenes, added more origin inc the ship being found in field, change the terrible Pa Kent death scene and had Clark spend a decent amount of time at the Fortress before wearing the suit and change the Zod death scene then this could have been a decent movie. it could technically be edited differently to make a great improvement. I think It suffers all the problems that Nolans Batman does especially TDKR .....thoughtless approach, Pretentious bollocks and terrible editing. arrghhhhhhh I hope one day someone will make a decent go at it! roll on reboot
@sefy76 @trans8010 @ranting_swede @jparlee321 lol. thats a good point. Is he going to put on an orange jumpsuit and do some community service and help rebuild the city he helped demolish!. nah he will be living it up on the Daily Planets expense account, supping Lattes and forwarding emails from colleagues about how Lois is a piggy nosed smart arse!..
Should he not be tried for Murder? Hopefully this will be the plot of MoS2 with Lex using all these issues with Superman to turn the people against him. I already hate the guy! Go Lex!!
@jparlee321 Thats not an excuse for skipping of the origins and complete lack of build up to Kal wearing the suit. Its all excuses for poor storytelling.
@trans8010 @jparlee321 This Supermans actions after the devastation in Metropolis was the unnecessarily down and destroy a 12 million dollar satellite! and essentially tells the army that he will do what he fucking likes "because hes American too!!" .. Quite honestly I think this Superman is an arrogant arsehole..
@jparlee321 @trans8010 Should have just had Zod getting thrown by Superman into the Phantom Zone.. much better ending. Perhaps with a nice heat vision blast to help him on his way!!...The movie lost me the minute that mentioned a codex and skipped essential origins elements, but when he brakes Zods neck ! nah that isn't a good superman, its not the Superman I want to see anyway. Its a sad reflection on what writers and director think today's audience want to see..its a trendy ending, not a well written one.
@jparlee321 I didn't remotely care about any of the characters and walked away quite disliking this Superman. And that is entirely the writers, director and editors fault. Lazy
The Lone Ranger is easily the worst movie I have seen In a long long time. The best way to describe how bad it is?.
It makes Wild Wild West look like a really great movie, makes WWW look like a classic western romp even....
1 year, 8 months ago on Review: The Lone Ranger
@Coleman I think everything bad about it can be attributed to Nolan, Goyer's script. A waste of a strong cast and a director who I felt had his hands tied behind his back by some schoolyard bullies, Snyder has previously done great comic adaptions. Avengers is a superior film because there is none of the conceited effort and pretentiousness about " putting the superhero in a real world setting" and basic disdain for the character and origins. This is not Superman, this is not the Superman hundreds of cartoon and comics have had the great talent and respect to give us different version of, this is a disrespectful version with arrogance and boorishness that drips from the pages and screen like movie marmite. Some people love it, some fucking hate it. Either way its a mess and stinks. Personally I cant stand any of the Goyer/Nolan Superhero efforts, they have a talent for picking potentially great casts and that's about it.
Its awful, its dark, dull, humorless and full of bad screenwriting and unforgivable plot holes and deviations. The CGi is the worst I have seen in a major movie in a long time.
Why skip or not show the best parts of the Superman origins and yet include completely unnecessary and unoriginal crap like the Codex!.
They made a Superman movie with a completely unlikable Superman, way to go!
Syfe76 has already made the best comments on this thread on why this movie does not work as a real Superman movie. Goyer and Nolan should not have been let near Superman (or any movie IMO), their Batman movies are dreary ,dreadful and hammy and its now infected the greatest superhero of all time. This has very little of Snyder's normally great visuals in and the one chance he had to really enhance a movie with some slo-mo!!! he bails!. I cant wait for a reboot with completely different writers and director!