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@knowtheoffers Not all of the reviews have been golden. Google search results show the consensus is: mixed bag.
7 months, 1 week ago on DMS Reviews & Roadmap
@Mictlan @x3mgroup Pagelines is heavily reliant on Bootstrap to do most of the visual design. If you search for that, you'll start seeing a lot of similarities with other themes that utilize it as well. There are html5 templates for around $10-30 that look exactly like DMS (minus some very minor font/color/styling stuff). Even looks like some of the "premium"themes in the store are using large pieces of other common templates.
It's telling that on the Pagelines homepage, of the features listed none highlight any design possibilities with DMS. It's just a Bootstrap template, which shows various screen caps of the store and the stock WP admin back-end.
If you're looking to mimic the core v2 Framework look, take a look at the free version of the Responsive theme. I just converted a long gestating client site design done with Pagelines v2 to Responsive with the help of a WP custom html plug. It looks very close, the client didn't even notice the change. The custom css used was even about 30-40% less than the Framework version. It doesn't have all the little bells and whistles, but it does include a fair amount of page templates and layouts for a free theme.
7 months, 2 weeks ago on Coming back online…
@mediumstudio Yes totally, they have boldly gone where every other major premium theme has already been.
@flidget 2 years? Try 18 months.
@buddhatunes There was a similar problem with bbPress member profiles for a while with the previous version of this "theme". Did those ever get fixed?
I'm also not seeing any included community integration "modules" for v3 DMS, so maybe it's no longer a feature after v2?
7 months, 2 weeks ago on Your DMS awaits.
@Matthew01970 It's not business to put out new products and stop making old ones.
IT IS bad business to change the name of an existing product add a feature and tell all your existing customers to "f-off and pay us again for the whole thing over again... every time we make a slight change".
Front end editor is a feature, not something wholly different from Framework. DMS actually has less developer options than Framework, yet it's more than double the price for existing developers. The whole thing seems to hinge on whether you're going to buy their marketing terminology that this new "theme" is something different than other themes. It's not. You're either limited to a few stock Pagelines design options or you need to jump in with custom CSS... just like any other theme. They just made a new fancy menu and put it in a different location.
BTW the editor feels more responsive on Opera than Chrome for OS X. Don't know what they are smoking at PG, but apparently it's now the really high end stuff with that 2x+ pricing.
@Lucas Garvin @redefiler @buddhatunes @MaxwellBoardman @peterluit You've got nothing better to do than chastise people complaining? Bash?
Well they also said another developer "tricked" them into seeing a preview copy just so they could copy DMS. Turns out it was Andrew freely agreeing to show it off in order to woo another developer. SInce then they'll cleaned the post entry a bit, but not the first time PG has cried wolf.
Bottom line: a lot of us have Pagelines sites. They REALLY need to post the exact cause, because it's now our sites that are potentially vulnerable. Considering the above, there's a fair amount of skepticism is warranted for PG official responses as of late.
Also here's what doesn't quite wash:
Hacked via plug-in... so.... switch hosts? That's not really a hosting problem.
More plausible might be the additional backend for DMS, was beyond the old host's capacity and PG only realized the problem when it attempted to go live.
@buddhatunes @John Petrowski I'd be curious if the audio player obfuscates links to local audio/mp3 files. Since anything on Soundcloud is under freebee license, there is already a free WP Soundcloud player plug in that works pretty good for free material.
A paid player should offer some additional features, and if it's hoping to be a professional solution it should at least try to protect local audio files and assets.
@etc @Matthew01970 When people complain about Pagelines, you get personal, which kinda outs you as a not a very serious user.
Pros care about tools, babies whine about feelings.
My offer to clean up your avatar graphic still stands. I'll get rid of the artifacts on the background, fix the washed out gray on your shirt, pump up those white trim details, etc. It would be a general improvement, when you're looking all sharp it might even help your confidence.
$300 "friend" price, if you send a higher res copy, I can work off that, and you even get nice picture of yourself that you could give to your mom or someone special.
@buddhatunes @MaxwellBoardman @peterluit Postponing the launch a week would have probably been smarter and more responsible.
They claim they were hacked, but I dunno, Pagelines has a recent history of whine and blame the "competition" for trivial or imaginary offenses. Either they did get hacked, or it's a cover for a totally bungled launch.
@etc @redefiler Seems like I've been getting a piece of email every other day from Pagelines, very likely they wanted a response/reaction to their efforts. Whatever emotions & gender confusions you're feeling are entirely your own. Enjoy.
As I've explained, when v2 came out many of the v1 customers were complaining about similar things. While I missed the grandfather cutoff before, I didn't really know the situation that well and bought v2. I wish I hadn't because those few complainers were absolutely correct, this wasn't Pagelines growing pains, it was just lame company practice repeated with every release. So my experiences might help someone considering v3 or maybe even down the road on v4 when Pagelines does the same again. It's a minor to major pain for any existing customers, and anyone considering upgrading might want to square some of the same concerns before spending cash.
So there's nothing to the Developer package except unlimited/multi-site support? No Vanilla or bbPress style integrations? No additional styling/editing tools? Just the same stuff in the freebee? Still sounds like a more expensive downgrade with some fiddle knobs for the noobz. The freebee doesn't really do much without having to use custom CSS, so I'm wondering where the value is on the more expensive plans? It just buys you less across multiple sites?
@arpowers @William Soenksen You're not getting yelled at for creating great products. You're getting yelled at for rebranding products, obscuring details and limitations with insipid marketing, more than doubling the prices, zero customer upgradability, and crying victim every time you screw something up.
You've gotten plenty of money from your customers in the past, you've crowed about how adopted Framework v2 was, so however you've screwed up your business is really just your problem Andrew. Just like the server crashes, and other developers not wanting to work with you. There's no conspiracy beyond Pagelines own problems. From what I see, Pagelines advantage was styling, and you've let it slip in favor of excessive monetization schemes.
So get to work... fix those horrible left and right margins on your site (which look ever worse on tablets), fix those stupid oblong video boxes on the front page, clean up all the typos, deliver some actual product/plan specifics, and figure out how to cut your existing customers a break on your massive price increases. Asking for more, while delivering less is really pathetic.
So... still no specific details on Business vs. Developer. Pure incompetence Pagelines. DMS = Deceptive Marketing Strategy.
Keep up the bad work, and thanks for zero customer loyalty and upgradability. Every upgrade pulling the same shady marketing garbage.
DMS is mostly just new limitations and restrictions on the same v2 framework. I'm also surprised at how thin the style options are, I guess the idea is to re-sell you a framework and then cripple it just enough to make the overpriced additional PG store themes attractive. Kinda like selling you a box of Legos, but with no Legos inside except three pieces glued together.
@nphaskins @knowtheoffers Last week, $8 a month also got you the previous version developer edition, now you only get the feature limited lite version. Steep value dive.
If Pagelines was offering DMS and maid service to clean my place for $100 a month then maybe ok. A maid will clean the bathroom, Pagelines is skinning a freeware cms.
@nphaskins @redefiler So you've got no real response, don't speak for Pagelines, but show up and try to anyways?
Besides I can do to things at once: shop for themes and complain about having to shop for themes.
@knowtheoffers @mattmatt I suppose they will be going over the theme vs DMS verbiage in further detail. I'm not watching live, so far I got it... its just the in-app purchase theme. DMS customers better make sure their children don't rack up thousands thru unsupervised in-app shopping.
@nphaskins @redefiler It won't be compatible with any new roads. Jeep won't service it, the manufacturer's warranty is extremely limited, they won't even answer the support line unless you buy the new version...
There's no way anyone can realistically use v2 going forward, be crazy to build new sites on it. Twenty Eleven is now a more viable option.
I dunno, I'd think you'd want existing customers to have a little more discretionary spending for your a la carte $60 DMS theme in the PG Store. You seem to forget this is 2x the upgrade cost, that's universal suckage in any industry.
The lowest package costs what the developer version costs 18 months ago, yet it's severely feature crippled. It's bad for for both pros and schmoes.
I still can't believe there's no detailed info on the upper priced subscriptions. Unreal. Didn't anyone think that might be important? Then with the server "hack", its seems kinda bumbling to reward with 2x loyalty. Where's the return love? Open-source cripple ware? That's a theme advertisement, the demo copy.
@Matthew01970 That's because you paid for v1 which was a theme, then because v2 was a framework you had to re-buy because it was totally different than a theme, and now you have to re-buy v3 because it's a dms that's totally different than a framework and a theme. Get it?
@nphaskins @Brenden Well they are charging more than 2x for developers on this latest upgrade. They are also EOL'ing the previous model, so its like that 2011 Jeep that now won't drive on roads now. I believe that would also create some interesting customer reactions, when Jeep said tough luck, buy a 2012... and now it's double the price, pay us every 30 days.
@Dannyh @redefiler Are you thinking of MAMP PRO, I'm just running MAMP. Don't see any General under Server in the menubar.