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@JanetWilliams1 @webranger1962 @active4ce @aberta @edbergen274 I think you could have something to say about Islam, but CH didn't say it. Most Muslims don't like Al Queda and ISIS any better than we do.
It's stupid to say "No war for oil" because it isn't the point. Don't buy Arab and Persian oil and they'll just sell it to China or India. Oil is the funding for war, but it doesn't care who pays for it.
4 days, 21 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120785/pope-francis-charlie-hebdo-remarks-miss-our-right-offend-religion
@active4ce @webranger1962 @aberta @edbergen274 Insane is putting words in the Pope's mouth.
I think "It's natural" that these guys got shot up. If you publish a bunch of racist, bigoted crap, somebody might get angry. If you insult the Pope's mom, he might punch you.
That isn't condoning anything. It's noting human nature.
5 days, 14 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120785/pope-francis-charlie-hebdo-remarks-miss-our-right-offend-religion
@JanetWilliams1 @webranger1962 @active4ce @aberta @edbergen274 Did I say liberals were smart?
@JanetWilliams1 @webranger1962 @active4ce @aberta @edbergen274 That anti-religion garbage is as bigoted as it gets. No wonder they want to kill progressives.
6 days, 21 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120785/pope-francis-charlie-hebdo-remarks-miss-our-right-offend-religion
@JanetWilliams1 @aberta Everybody should be homophobic, especially homosexuals. Half of gay men will end up HIV positive in their lives, If those odds don't scare you.......
6 days, 22 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120785/pope-francis-charlie-hebdo-remarks-miss-our-right-offend-religion
@active4ce @aberta @edbergen274 Such insults WILL provoke retaliation whether the Pope agrees or not. When you were trying to insult people they WILL take offense, This is not condoning violence, it's noting that you can ask for it.
6 days, 23 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120785/pope-francis-charlie-hebdo-remarks-miss-our-right-offend-religion
@FranzLiebkind @OdinsGaze @webranger1962 @JanetWilliams1 @GeraldMoore Try putting out a cartoon in a magazine where feminists get sodomized. You may not be arrested, but as we have seen, even the slightest racist or sexist comments can be a career ender.
You can sodomize Mohammed in print, but not anybody who is a liberally ordained victim
So much for freedom of speech.
1 week, 1 day ago on Conversation @ http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120785/pope-francis-charlie-hebdo-remarks-miss-our-right-offend-religion
@JanetWilliams1 @webranger1962 @Leigh Jackson If you didn't notice, wealth has been massively redistributed upward since the 80's. A CEO in the late 70's might make 40 times what his workers made. Now it's 400 times. If you don't have a middle class. Game over.
1 week, 3 days ago on Conversation @ http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120785/pope-francis-charlie-hebdo-remarks-miss-our-right-offend-religion
@Leigh Jackson @webranger1962 @JanetWilliams1 Sure. We are sinners. You've got to expect people to do stuff like this when they get mad.
@JanetWilliams1 @webranger1962 @Leigh Jackson For me, that would include enough basic respect not to insult their religion or mother. Unless I wanted to pick a fight. And if I wanted to pick a fight with someone, it wouldn't be 1.6 billion Muslims. 2 of them might be psychotic enough to kill 12 people on a death wish attack on a magazine office. Executing the cop was a perfect touch to insure suicide by French police.
Let us not lead our brothers into temptation.
@JanetWilliams1 @Leigh Jackson @webranger1962 He's a Jesuit which might make him seem a little left. Really it's just more that he wants to be inclusive rather than run around like some evil Church lady. Dogma is not going to change.
If the Italian mob doesn't kill him for cleaning up the Vatican bank, that might be enough of a miracle to qualify him for sainthood.
@JanetWilliams1 @webranger1962 @Leigh Jackson I guess you shouldn't insult the Popes mom.
@Leigh Jackson @webranger1962 @JanetWilliams1
“If my good friend Dr Gasparri says a curse word against my mother, he can expect a punch. It’s normal. It’s normal. You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others.”
I guess if you don't want to get punched, don't insult the Pope's mom. If you don't want to get shot, don't insult Mohammed. Nobody said anything about justified.
I have enough basic respect for people to avoid doing either.
@JanetWilliams1 @webranger1962 @Leigh Jackson I think the Pope was expressing the pragmatic belief that freedom of speech can't save you from bullets. Why don't we make murder illegal? Oh wait! It is illegal and then you get shot by the French cops. Terrorists don't care what squishy law you pass for the protection of sophomoric leftists.
If you insult my mom, I'd knock you on your ass too. Say two Hail Mary's and call me in the morning.
@JanetWilliams1 @GeraldMoore That is crap. The Pope is not condoning violence. He's promoting practical thinking. Don't paint a bullseye on your self. CH really tried to piss Muslims off and they won.
There is a difference between what is fair and what is predictable. CH made the political statement it was trying to make posthumously. It's not a rallying point for an argument about freedom of speech. It's just stupid like the magazine was.
Let's pick a liberal category to satirize. Maybe feminists. You'd likely end up in jail for hate speech.
@GeraldMoore You couldn't run a reverse Charlie Hebdo or you'd get arrested for violating political correctness. So much for freedom of speech.
I love how liberals always know what their rights are. Your rights don't matter if you are mouthing off and catch a right cross. Sometimes people aren't civilized.
@JanetWilliams1 @Leigh Jackson The Pope has condemned the attack, but after being on the cover of Hebdo a couple times I think he understands how it could piss a guy off. The Pope is really kind of a regular guy.
@DavidManhart @abisynthe Religion makes a nice excuse to try to take land from people by war. If it wasn't radical Islam, these guys would come up with something else. It would be some cult that thought men should always leave the toilet seat up. If you find a war, you'll find someone figuring out how to get people rallied for it. Bill Ayers blew a bunch of stuff up including his girlfriend. Even progressives can blow stuff up and burn stuff down. It doesn't need Islam to be perverted. Any philosophy will do.
A cause needs a fall guy. In the case of radical Islam, our liberals and communists, the fall guy is the US and Israel. It doesn't really matter that all the worlds ills are not caused by these two countries.
Even in Europe, if it rains, it must have been the US that caused it.
1 week, 6 days ago on Conversation @ http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120708/charlie-hebdo-terrorist-attack-their-response-2011-firebombing
@Gadfly7 @webranger1962 @karmashock How so? It would be like recruiting Jews for the SS.
2 weeks, 1 day ago on Conversation @ http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120709/nypd-work-slowdown-being-celebrated-new-yorkers-color
@Gadfly7 @jbsay @jr9kingsnake He was saying, the long way, that government is a gun. Anything a government does is at gun point. All laws are valid only because of force. The more laws you make, the more force you are using.
2 weeks, 2 days ago on Conversation @ http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120646/ratification-arms-trade-treaty-others-blocked-republicans
@Gadfly7 @karmashock African Americans don't want to be cops. The only thing worse than being white is being Uncle Tom. The only thing worse than being either is a cop. That's what the Ferguson Police chief said. He can't find black officers. I believe him.
2 weeks, 2 days ago on Conversation @ http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120709/nypd-work-slowdown-being-celebrated-new-yorkers-color
So much for all liberal "tolerance"
2 weeks, 2 days ago on Conversation @ http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120725/harrison-arkansas-labeled-kkk-haven-over-racist-billboards
@Tobbar I own a .tv domain name. According to Google, I should change my .tv domain. Tuvalu is sinking because of global warming. There is one problem with pointing out that the sinking isle of Tuvalu is because of global warming. That is. It isn't sinking.
2 weeks, 2 days ago on Conversation @ http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120578/global-warming-threshold-what-2-degrees-celsius-36-f-looks
@dougk4ly You are 74 and you have genetic COPD. Evidently you didn't "suffer" much from second hand smoke.
@BohdanPechenyak @abisynthe Now the French police shot the guys there are some more answers.
2 weeks, 2 days ago on Conversation @ http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120717/charlie-hebdo-attacks-difference-between-american-and-french-satire
Is all this "bomb" did is scorch the paint on the building and make a big noise. This is more a prank than a bombing. It's not news. Next.
2 weeks, 2 days ago on Conversation @ http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120723/naacp-bombing-colorado-springs-gets-ignored-mainstream-media
Not after Israel put up iron dome and built a giant wall,
2 weeks, 2 days ago on Conversation @ http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120724/boko-haram-attacks-nigerian-military-base-2000-bodies-missing
@windward I guess Palestinians shouldn't have broke yet another cease fire agreement. The current cease fire might succeed. That's because Hamas is out of rockets.
President Barack Obama could still send that message if he refused to sign it.
The message Obama would send if he vetoed this bill is that he's a hypocrite unless he stood on a soap box in Congress and really opposed it.
2 weeks, 2 days ago on Conversation @ http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120733/democrats-pass-terrorism-risk-insurance-bill-weakens-dodd-frank
@BohdanPechenyak @abisynthe What happened here is really unclear, A couple guys executed a magazine staff. It's only speculation as to why. None of the usual suspect terror groups is taking credit. Hmm...
Was it important that we rewrite an 1892 play in Orwellian "New Speak" so that we don't offend white liberals? Or could we just acknowledge that 116 years ago people were more racist. I'm not even sure that's true. It doesn't seem like anyone was trying to be mean to Asians. A white person played an Asian. Call a cop.
1 month ago on Conversation @ http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120640/nutcracker-racist-chinese-tea-arabian-coffee
Last time I went to the nutcracker was 1987 and I brought the kids and so did the Korean guy next to me. If this causes some offense, I'd like to hear it from an Asian, not some "progressive" telling me how he's not offended, but should be. We sent the wives home with the kids and went for a beer or 5. Can we find an offended Asian?
@Gadfly7 @webranger1962 @itzikbasman Democrat politicians share Reagan era logic and when they tell you they don't their nose grows. I'm fairly socially liberal. Democrats have told me they are. But hell, they haven't done anything about anything since Jack Kennedy.
We could have ended poverty. We could have improved education. We could have healed the wounds from our race war.
Well.... gay guys can get married... women can sue their employers back to the beginning of time.... Yippie?
If you remember, Reagan started as a Democrat.
1 month ago on Conversation @ http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120638/why-nfl-and-roger-goodell-survived-ray-rice-fiasco-intact
@Gadfly7 @webranger1962 @itzikbasman I might not even disagree that the top 1% of us make too much money and don't pay enough taxes. If you were looking for help with that you didn't find it with 6 years of Obama, 8 years of Bill Clinton.... look up when the rich got richer and the poor got poorer. It spikes in Democrat controlled parts of our government. Under Obama, the rich got fabulously richer. Look it up and see if a Democrat is your friend.
@Gadfly7 @webranger1962 @itzikbasman I haven't checked lately, but being well paid isn't a crime. Did you have a point? Selling basketball tickets and making some fans happy required a willing buyer and a willing seller. It beats making 40 million a year packaging and selling toxic assets. That seems to be sanctioned by Democrats. Fraud good.,, football bad?
@Siberia_RUS @EricMKrehemker Who said anything about holding other countries to a treaty we didn't sign? What is the penalty we can inflict? That we don't comply with a treaty we didn't sign?
1 month ago on Conversation @ http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120646/ratification-arms-trade-treaty-others-blocked-republicans
@DianeMerriam The only reason progressives support these treaties is that it subjugates the United States to euro-commies. Europe makes me nervous. The recent erosion of individual rights in Europe should make you nervous too.
@daledougherty @matheuskramer This country stopped a 1000 year long nearly continuous European war. If your country is at all free, If you have civil rights. If you are not in a World War. If you are not behind an iron curtain, If you are not genuflecting and saying Heil Hitler. You should thank an American.
@itzikbasman I think it's fairly obvious that the court of public opinion affected Ray Rice. He started with almost no punitive measures and ended up with a year suspension.
What about Donald Sterling? He made racist comments and ended up with a 2.5 million dollar fine. Making racist comments isn't even a crime. Some people are outraged that it's not enough.
Somebody said kangaroo court? I think it's apt. This article is "How bad the NFL is" It seems to me that NFL meted out some pretty serious penalties for the incidents of misconduct mentioned.
That's not enough for this progressive author. A year suspension for Ray Rice isn't enough. The entire NFL must be punished. The entire NFL must be indicted as promoting wife beating.
How bad is the NFL? It's not bad or good. It's a football league. Like anywhere else in life, people sometimes behave badly. If that's a crime, it's something a court should deal with.
@MJHill @BethMartinKnott Oh my goodness. I'm middle aged. My doctor told me I should quit smoking. I could pick up 4 of him with one hand and I'm old.
1 month ago on Conversation @ http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120624/nasa-photos-show-light-pollution-us-during-christmas-holidays
@jbsay @webranger1962 It is mandated that police use force if you do not comply with their lawful orders. If they tell you that you are under arrest, you are under arrest. It is not optional. They are required to force you to comply. What are you suggesting? That when they tell you that you are under arrest, you get to tell them "I don't feel like being arrested"?
The cops used reasonable force against Garner and that's all it was. That he died was his own fault.
1 month ago on Conversation @ http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120618/pbas-patrick-lynch-blames-ismaaiyl-brinsley-murders-protesters
@mary madden @webranger1962 @goofyfoot2010 Just progressives. You don't need to kill people that aren't a nuisance.
1 month ago on Conversation @ http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120621/nyc-cop-killer-ismaaiyl-brinsley-shows-problem-our-gun-laws
@CeceliaHolland @webranger1962 @JoeZasada The UK doesn't have our gang problem.
@mary madden @webranger1962 @goofyfoot2010 I remember watching a Jordanian journalist from Al Jazeera saying he liked Sharia law. His point was that he lives in a country with almost no crime. He lost the keys to his house ten years ago and hasn't locked a door since. A lot of Arabs feel this way. If the Arab running Saudi Arabia wasn't King Adbullah he'd be another Arab. Saudi Arabia executes people, but that largely meets with public approval.
You act like Islam and Sharia law are coerced. That is isn't true for most Arabs. Look at the Shah. He was trying to install western values in Iran and got ousted. Women wanted to wear the jihab. Women didn't largely want the vote,
@mary madden @webranger1962 @goofyfoot2010 You are forgetting something. What you call progressive, Arabs call decadent. Does King Abdullah force sharia law on his citizens or do they force it on him?
Look what happened to the Shah after he told women they could vote and not wear the jihab. The women even protested. If ISIS promised to stay home and not sponsor terrorism, nobody would care if they took over Syria and Iraq.
Arabs haven't changed the way they do law enforcement in centuries. There is no Berkeley in Saudi Arabia. King Abdullah is an Arab. If he wasn't King Abdullah, he'd be another Arab.
@mary madden @webranger1962 @goofyfoot2010 You are missing one little thing here. Arabs like Sharia law. It's the way they've done things for centuries. Does King Abdullah force sharia law on his citizens or do they force it on him?
In a secular Iran, the shah told women not to wear their jihab in public and the women protested, He told them they could vote. They didn't want to vote. This is one of the reasons for the Islamic revolution,
Liberal do gooders want to "fix" the Arabs, but do the Arabs want to be fixed? You give women rights and the women tell you they don't want it,
@CeceliaHolland @TracySchmidt @webranger1962 Yes. It is a tantrum when you ignore that these cases have been investigated and the cops were found blameless.
I have seen cases where the cops weren't found blameless and cities coughed up millions, cops got fired and some even went to prison.
Nobody has "gotten away" with anything.
@jbsay @webranger1962 Garner resisted arrest. Garner used force. He pushed the cop away. You don't get to do that. He got wrestled down. That is legal. I'm ten years older than Garner and the cops taking me down that way wouldn't have hurt me much if at all. Garner had a heart attack because he was 400 lbs of cigarette soot.
The reason this comes out of court with no officer disciplinary action is because what the cops did is legal. If it was slightly negligent, it wasn't the main reason Garner died.
The cop says he didn't mean to hurt Garner and I believe him.
@jbsay @webranger1962 @CeceliaHolland @TracySchmidt I do understand living in a town that is mercenary. I live in a town with a giant jail. Is it justice or funding the city? You can get a $250 fine for leaving your trash can out or smoking outside in the park and a bunch of other petty stuff. It's got a giant jail. They keep probationers around forever until they pay their fines. We don't have any black people. Here it's hispanics.
So yeah, our cities are greedy and use fines to fund themselves. Welcome to America.
There is no Jim Crow in Ferguson. That's preposterous. Nobody stopped anyone from voting. Nobody really voted. 6% of blacks and 17% of whites decided what the government was. What does that tell you? Nobody had enough of an ax to grind to vote.
Black cops wouldn't matter. They'd just get called Uncle Tom and enforce the same laws.
Nobody proved so far that there is racism in Ferguson. It's not a high crime area and people have more money than average. I'll bet people who aren't criminals that live there think the cops are a little out of hand, but not enough to vote them out. I think that.
If you were trying to prove racism in Ferguson, you failed. It looks just about like my town, except my town is 10 times bigger and has a 100 million dollar jail to pay for.
@CeceliaHolland @webranger1962 @Cid Campeador I think you exaggerate about bodies turning up. It isn't that often. Most of the dead people I ever heard of were as bad as the shooter. It's like my sister in laws brother. Her brother was shot because he was a drug dealer. She blames it on guns. The truth is her brother was a scumbag and was itching to get shot. Generally, unless a gang member misses, civilians are pretty safe. They only kill their own and usually only for being a thief or a snitch. Her "sainted" brother was a thief, a snitch and a scumbag. I wanted to put dimes on his eyes myself. It was just a matter of time until somebody got around to it.
He was voted "Most likely to be shot for ripping someone off on a drug deal" in high school.