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@Malcolm Finch @webranger1962 

No, I'm just a former customer of these folks not too impressed with baloney and a "creative" price structure.

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@Malcolm Finch 

No.  Let's say we aren't smoking hops and that they sell a developer license.  I don't live in a trailer.  I don't pay $20 a year for my subscription to yard trash magazine.  

These guys release competent products.  It seems like a yard sale in a trailer court for  the pricing.

Anybody who was for real would just pass.  Anybody who couldn't replicate anything this stuff does in half-hour isn't a web developer.    But, you could save some time.  But that would require pricing that wasn't spammy.

Download wordpress.   Find a nice theme.  And unsubscribe to this thread.



1 year ago on Why DMS will be open source.

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mikezielonka2 days ago

@nphaskins I too have seen DMS since alpha tests.  It's going to be all worth it in the end.  

Uh....  please explain.  I dropped $100 on a theme I needed a subscription to make work.   No dice.


1 year ago on Why DMS will be open source.

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@mikezielonka @nphaskins 

I wanna see that.  So far, we sold you something.  Then we need more money to make it actually work.   Trust zero.  

1 year ago on Why DMS will be open source.

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@etc 

I feel burned by the Pagelines theme I bought.  Within a few months we had our hand out for more money.  

1 year ago on Why DMS will be open source.

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Free or TBD?

1 year ago on Why DMS will be open source.

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@etc @webranger1962 

Actually, invited by email, I assume for being a customer.  I am not averse to doing business.  I am saying that's not gonna happen and stopped happening with the subscription model and the very fuzzy terms of a potential new agreement.  Sell me a theme for $100 and make it good for a couple years.  That I can use and sell.  Fuzzy don't work.

This is were I ended my use of pagelines.  I bought a theme.  Then they changed the game.

1 year ago on Why DMS will be open source.

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@mbirnholz 

I don't know who pays you, but I got Russians that will work for $4. 

1 year ago on Why DMS will be open source.

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Really.  Look guys.  We'll develop our webs.  Cost to be determined later?  How do I make that fly?  You promise to be fair.  I don't think what happened with Pagelines themes was real cool.  Trust you?  

1 year ago on Why DMS will be open source.

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Look.  What's it worth?  It's wordpress theme.  How neat?   It's not something we can't live without.  When pagelines themes went to a subscription model, I dumped it.  When JW media player went to a subscription model, I dumped that.  Now we're supposed to adopt this software with   "In the comments section, people are spending a lot of time debating update pricing changes that may or may not happen. If you want to participate, please hold off on your judgement until those announcements are made. We promise to be fair and provide a totally awesome FREE product."

I'm not spending any time doing anything until you guys figure out what you are doing.


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@jancaynes 

Sell me a theme for $100, I'm in.  Ding me for a recurring fee.  No way Jose.


1 year ago on Why DMS will be open source.

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@jancaynes 

No.  I was a customer.  Now I'm not.  I don't think I am much different from anyone else.

1 year ago on Why DMS will be open source.

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@Malcolm Finch @TampaGreg 

This is where I dumped this code and wrote my own.  

1 year ago on Why DMS will be open source.

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@etc @webranger1962 @griffinco @fishfirewrite 

What part of no are you having trouble understanding?

1 year ago on Why DMS will be open source.

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@etc @webranger1962 @griffinco @fishfirewrite

Open source doesn't mean free and we seem to be discussing a subscription fee.  Recurring expenses are the bane of my existence.  I don't care if this thing was Jesus and walked on water.  If it's not "I bought it, I own it", I'm gonna pass.

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@griffinco @fishfirewrite 

I think everyone here likes these products but not enough to take them on these terms.  

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@arpowers @musicman75 

That was a little terse.  Let me explain.  I am a former pagelines customer.  I had no problem chunking out $80 for your theme.  But I am a former customer.  I wrote my own theme.  Recurring web expenses are a pain in the neck.  It's just a matter of general principle that I'm not keen on recurring expenses.   It's not even so much the money as just another expense I have to keep track of.  I do work for other people too.  I'm not keen on selling them a recurring expense.

Sell your themes.  Sell updates that matter.  I'm in.  Your recent subscription model makes me out, with extreme prejudice.  You guys have a good product.  I want "I bought it, I own it".  Anything else is a deal breaker.

I'm really not trying to be a jerk.  I am just telling you how you lost a customer.  

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@arpowers @musicman75 

I don't see how this makes sense "for the sake of business" because there is no way in hell I'd pay a subscription.  

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