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@HowToReveal @webranger1962 The military thought the invasion in Iraq would work and that we would be greeted as liberators.

3 weeks, 6 days ago on Conversation @ http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119535/isis-pakistan-islamic-state-distributing-flags-and-flyers

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@adfaf @webranger1962 It seems like ISIS is keeping a fairly well equipped Syrian and Iraqi military stifled.  You are right though.  It was the Arab Spring that got rid of the Syrian and Libyan governments.   If this group does gain prominence, they want an Islamic superpower.  Hitler started out with a lot less. 

4 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119535/isis-pakistan-islamic-state-distributing-flags-and-flyers

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@Gadfly7 I think our "friends" are more worried about what ISIS will do if we don't put it out of action.  The really duplicitous ones are the Saudi's.  Jordan, Kuwait, UAE etc.  aren't in the terror business.  Even the Iranians are chipping in.  Jihad against the US is all well and good, but it's slopping over on them too.  The monarchies were are "friends" with, including Saudi, aren't ..... ket's call them ambiguously benevolent.



4 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119259/isis-history-islamic-states-new-caliphate-syria-and-iraq

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@ttaerum I think the President's strategy has a chance of working.  It would be better if the Syrian and Iraq governments and other Arabs handled ISIS on the ground.  Nobody likes ISIS.  They have about 12,000 members and you have to wonder how many of them are under duress.  All the Arab countries think they are a menace.  So we provide some air and logistical support and hope they can clean up their own mess.


I think this is a measured response, and it may not work.  Then we try something else.  For now, I think stiffening up the democratic governments of Iraq and Syria is probably a good move.  Part of our problem is political.  When the Arabs see a bunch of Americans showing up, the feel invaded.  If their own troops can handle it on the ground, it's better for them and better for us.


I'm not going with inane pacifism or inane warmongering and I think the President is trying to handle this by doing as little as possible.  That seems sensible to me.


4 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119535/isis-pakistan-islamic-state-distributing-flags-and-flyers

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What is Pakistan doing?  They've been a safe haven for the Taliban and Al-Queda.  They were hiding Osama Bin Laden.  They've got to be crazy.  How can you do that and not expect it to come back and bite you?  It's like keeping jackals in your back yard and hoping they'll eat the neighbors and not you.  Has the example of other states who harbored terrorists not sunk in?  Now, they're being toppled by the same terrorists.  At least Saddam Hussein was that smart.  He knew that he didn't want the Taliban or Al-Queda in his country, because eventually they'd turn on him.


4 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119535/isis-pakistan-islamic-state-distributing-flags-and-flyers

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@Gadfly7 Tunisia, Egypt (twice),Libya,YemenBahrain and Syria all had coups.  We call that the Arab Spring.   I don't think the US has it's fingerprints on any of it. Just about every other Arab country (UAE, Kuwait, Saudi etc,) had a lot of protesting and some rioting.  


How well getting rid of Saddam will work out largely depends on whether it stays a democratic government and how well it can get rid of ISIS.  What started ISIS is that Taliban and Al-Queda, hiding in Pakistan for a few years, regrouped and returned to Iraq.  They morphed into what we called ISIS from those respective terrorist groups.


We do understand the middle east, but I think we don't like what we understand.  All of these problems are caused by a disorderly end of imperialism and a disorderly end of the cold war.  That left a power vacuum,   The West, not just the US, has tried to sweep middle eastern problems under the rug for the last 60 years.  After the Afghans kicked the Soviet out, we could have and should have helped them get self sufficient, but we more or less abandoned them.


One reason ISIS got a foothold is that we did not arm Iraq when we left,  We got bit in Afghanistan because there were a lot of leftover military equipment from the Soviet ouster.  That included Stinger missiles which we played hell to get back.


The trick here is to get rid of ISIS without adding any more guns to the region.  That's actually a pretty good reason to not put :"boots on the ground" unless we absolutely have to.





4 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119259/isis-history-islamic-states-new-caliphate-syria-and-iraq

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@Gadfly7 I'll add that if we do rid the middle eastern states of state sponsored terrorism, the Iraq invasion and the support of Libya, Syria and Iraq is gonna be worth the trouble.

4 weeks, 1 day ago on Conversation @ http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119259/isis-history-islamic-states-new-caliphate-syria-and-iraq

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@Gadfly7 I didn't think invading Iraq was a good idea, but you're right.  It wasn't my decision.  I think getting rid of ISIS is a good idea and the method of doing so that the President has authorized seems like it's reasonable enough.  My thinking is that if you make war, you make war.  I think George Bush's idea of nation building and stuff like that is a fools errand.  I think supporting the legitimate, democratically elected governments of these countries with air and logistical support is logical. It might work.  If it doesn't, well then we blew up some stuff.  Oh Well.


There doesn't seem to be anyone, not even Iran, that likes the idea of ISIS.  

4 weeks, 1 day ago on Conversation @ http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119259/isis-history-islamic-states-new-caliphate-syria-and-iraq

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@Gadfly7 We weren't discussing veterans or whether we should have invaded Iraq or not.  We were discussing your assertion that religion is the root of all evil and the cause of war.  Now we are going to prosecute some criminal terrorists at the request of the legitimate governments of Syria and Iraq, because it is in our best interest to do so.  Measures are being taken to make sure the loss of civilian life is as low as we can make it.  


America has mostly people who believe in God, with enough firepower to destroy the entire region.  We haven't.  Your argument doesn't hold water.    

4 weeks, 1 day ago on Conversation @ http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119259/isis-history-islamic-states-new-caliphate-syria-and-iraq

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@Gadfly7 Bla Bla Bla.  The principles of peace and brotherhood are inherent only in the major worlds religions.  That some whack jobs with an AK-47 don't understand that isn't the fault of religion.

4 weeks, 1 day ago on Conversation @ http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119259/isis-history-islamic-states-new-caliphate-syria-and-iraq

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@jupiterfire12  That isn't a skirmish.  They do that a lot.  I think they just want a look at an F-22.

1 month ago on Conversation @ http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119259/isis-history-islamic-states-new-caliphate-syria-and-iraq

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If Obama lets Putin push him around, Democrat politicians will be washing cars for a living for the next 20 years.  If Putin lets Obama push him back to the Russian border, Putin is likely to face a coup for being weak against the decadent West.  Putin is trying to posture and like a rooster that crows too much, we should break his neck, pluck him, put him in a pot and make soup.



1 month, 2 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119259/isis-history-islamic-states-new-caliphate-syria-and-iraq

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If Putin can't push the West around he's gonna be seen as impotent to the Russians and they'll overthrow him too.  If Obama can't push Putin back to his border, you could get Ronald Reagan's conservative chimp Bonzo elected as our next President.  Both of these men are in big trouble politically, Putin more than Obama.  But the writing is on the wall.  Obama better not take his finger off the trigger or Democrat politicians will be washing cars for a living for the next 50 years.



1 month, 2 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://www.newrepublic.com/article/117132/cold-war-rhetoric-between-obama-and-putin-obscures-larger-issue

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Putin knows we don't want to push the border as "far East as it will go"  The West just wants to push it back to the Russian border.  He knows that.  For the sake of his own political influence with Russians, he wants to see what he can get away with.  Resisting a decadent West is as politically important to Putin as it is in Islamic countries.  Hating America and blaming her for all the problems in the world is the same as Hitler claiming Jews were the problem.  You have to have a scapegoat and get people to believe it.


Putin is worried about Putin.   Seen being weak against the West is against his own ambitions.  That might get the Russians to think they don't like him either.  Ukraine should be granted immediate EU admittance because they've asked for it..  Putin needs to get nudged and if necessary kicked back across his border.


That might be the political end of him in Russia as well.  If he can't push the West around, he's impotent.  And basically, the truth is, he is. 










1 month, 2 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://www.newrepublic.com/article/117132/cold-war-rhetoric-between-obama-and-putin-obscures-larger-issue

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@jupiterfire12 That's sort of like let Hitler play with a rather worthless, impoverished Germany.  They won't stay in their own yard.,  I don't know what we are doing, but it isn't working.  I wish somebody was smarter.

1 month, 2 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119259/isis-history-islamic-states-new-caliphate-syria-and-iraq

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@Malcolm Finch @webranger1962 

No, I'm just a former customer of these folks not too impressed with baloney and a "creative" price structure.

1 year, 3 months ago on Why DMS will be open source.

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@Malcolm Finch 

No.  Let's say we aren't smoking hops and that they sell a developer license.  I don't live in a trailer.  I don't pay $20 a year for my subscription to yard trash magazine.  

These guys release competent products.  It seems like a yard sale in a trailer court for  the pricing.

Anybody who was for real would just pass.  Anybody who couldn't replicate anything this stuff does in half-hour isn't a web developer.    But, you could save some time.  But that would require pricing that wasn't spammy.

Download wordpress.   Find a nice theme.  And unsubscribe to this thread.



1 year, 3 months ago on Why DMS will be open source.

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@nphaskins I too have seen DMS since alpha tests.  It's going to be all worth it in the end.  

Uh....  please explain.  I dropped $100 on a theme I needed a subscription to make work.   No dice.


1 year, 3 months ago on Why DMS will be open source.

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@mikezielonka @nphaskins 

I wanna see that.  So far, we sold you something.  Then we need more money to make it actually work.   Trust zero.  

1 year, 3 months ago on Why DMS will be open source.

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@etc 

I feel burned by the Pagelines theme I bought.  Within a few months we had our hand out for more money.  

1 year, 3 months ago on Why DMS will be open source.

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Free or TBD?

1 year, 3 months ago on Why DMS will be open source.

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@etc @webranger1962 

Actually, invited by email, I assume for being a customer.  I am not averse to doing business.  I am saying that's not gonna happen and stopped happening with the subscription model and the very fuzzy terms of a potential new agreement.  Sell me a theme for $100 and make it good for a couple years.  That I can use and sell.  Fuzzy don't work.

This is were I ended my use of pagelines.  I bought a theme.  Then they changed the game.

1 year, 3 months ago on Why DMS will be open source.

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@mbirnholz 

I don't know who pays you, but I got Russians that will work for $4. 

1 year, 3 months ago on Why DMS will be open source.

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Really.  Look guys.  We'll develop our webs.  Cost to be determined later?  How do I make that fly?  You promise to be fair.  I don't think what happened with Pagelines themes was real cool.  Trust you?  

1 year, 3 months ago on Why DMS will be open source.

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Look.  What's it worth?  It's wordpress theme.  How neat?   It's not something we can't live without.  When pagelines themes went to a subscription model, I dumped it.  When JW media player went to a subscription model, I dumped that.  Now we're supposed to adopt this software with   "In the comments section, people are spending a lot of time debating update pricing changes that may or may not happen. If you want to participate, please hold off on your judgement until those announcements are made. We promise to be fair and provide a totally awesome FREE product."

I'm not spending any time doing anything until you guys figure out what you are doing.


1 year, 3 months ago on Why DMS will be open source.

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@jancaynes 

Sell me a theme for $100, I'm in.  Ding me for a recurring fee.  No way Jose.


1 year, 3 months ago on Why DMS will be open source.

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@jancaynes 

No.  I was a customer.  Now I'm not.  I don't think I am much different from anyone else.

1 year, 3 months ago on Why DMS will be open source.

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@Malcolm Finch @TampaGreg 

This is where I dumped this code and wrote my own.  

1 year, 3 months ago on Why DMS will be open source.

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@etc @webranger1962 @griffinco @fishfirewrite 

What part of no are you having trouble understanding?

1 year, 3 months ago on Why DMS will be open source.

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@etc @webranger1962 @griffinco @fishfirewrite

Open source doesn't mean free and we seem to be discussing a subscription fee.  Recurring expenses are the bane of my existence.  I don't care if this thing was Jesus and walked on water.  If it's not "I bought it, I own it", I'm gonna pass.

1 year, 3 months ago on Why DMS will be open source.

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@griffinco @fishfirewrite 

I think everyone here likes these products but not enough to take them on these terms.  

1 year, 3 months ago on Why DMS will be open source.

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@arpowers @musicman75 

That was a little terse.  Let me explain.  I am a former pagelines customer.  I had no problem chunking out $80 for your theme.  But I am a former customer.  I wrote my own theme.  Recurring web expenses are a pain in the neck.  It's just a matter of general principle that I'm not keen on recurring expenses.   It's not even so much the money as just another expense I have to keep track of.  I do work for other people too.  I'm not keen on selling them a recurring expense.

Sell your themes.  Sell updates that matter.  I'm in.  Your recent subscription model makes me out, with extreme prejudice.  You guys have a good product.  I want "I bought it, I own it".  Anything else is a deal breaker.

I'm really not trying to be a jerk.  I am just telling you how you lost a customer.  

1 year, 3 months ago on Why DMS will be open source.

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@arpowers @musicman75 

I don't see how this makes sense "for the sake of business" because there is no way in hell I'd pay a subscription.  

1 year, 3 months ago on Why DMS will be open source.

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