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@etc ooooh. Got me there. You are a brilliant man.

Is that what you wanted to hear? Hope so. 

Unless you are an employee/team member of PL, then you don't have all the facts, either.  So stop acting as if you do.

Thanks for this diversion, but I'm done wasting time on you.  My hope is that PL actually listens to those with a dissenting opinion and takes their concerns to heart.

1 year, 3 months ago on Why DMS will be open source.

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@etc @WesleyHoward One man's opinion of impetuousness is another man's rational argument. 

I find it immensely entertaining that you feel the need to correct the "egregious" concerns of everyone here.  Good luck with that.

1 year, 3 months ago on Why DMS will be open source.

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 @jancaynes  Agreed! Reading through his comments, I would surmise he is connected to PL in some way.  If not, he certainly is a bit of a rabble-rouser himself. He certainly feels it his duty to silence the naysayers. 

1 year, 3 months ago on Why DMS will be open source.

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@etc @WesleyHoward I'm sure there IS a level of misunderstanding here.  That in itself is not a good business decision. Drop a bomb about subscriptions for value adds, yet maintain that the core is free.  That leaves a TON of room for misunderstanding.

Are you a PL employee? You act as if you know more than the rest of us.  If you're operating on the same information the rest of us are, then your argument is based on conjecture as much as anyone else's. And suddenly, all dissenting voices are a "sensationalist lot who refuse to let facts get in the way"?  Wide overgeneralization there.  There are a bunch of developers that are concerned about a potentially great product being ruined by a potentially undesirable payment model.  There is nothing capricious about that.

If you ARE a PL employee, your handling of the matter is "patently off-base".

1 year, 3 months ago on Why DMS will be open source.

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@etc  @WesleyHoward If I don't want my client to be burdened with the cost of these features, I'll go somewhere else.  Why should I have to work around a subscription model to add value for my client? To answer my own question - I DON'T.  I can and likely will go elsewhere and build on a different framework that allows me to release a product to my client with no strings attached, which is how I feel it should be.  

I'm sure there will be people who will opt for the subscription model, but considering the noise in this thread, a lot of potential profits will be lost on those of us who eschew subscriptions for outright purchases.  

I, along with everyone in these comments, have a right to let my voice be heard.  If PL doesn't want this kind of input, shut off the comments.  As a business owner, though, if I were reading this kind of feedback from former, current and potential customers, I would seriously reconsider it.  Aside from a few people, you included, championing PL's stance on subscriptions here, I'm seeing quite a lack of enthusiasm for a new payment model.  That's not a good sign.

1 year, 3 months ago on Why DMS will be open source.

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@mbirnholz "Get new clients" is your argument? 

1 year, 3 months ago on Why DMS will be open source.

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@etc @redefiler @TampaGreg It doesn't make their ownership less real, but it certainly devalues what they thought they paid for.  

1 year, 3 months ago on Why DMS will be open source.

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@etc @WesleyHoward It may be simple, but it's still a problem.  The issue isn't with me, it's with my clients.  If I build a site using the "additional features that are afforded with the premium subscription", then that recurring cost will be passed on to my client. 

Your satellite radio analogy isn't really accurate.  Let's say a friend needs to buy a car.  I happen to have one I got for free with no frills (no AC, no power seats, etc).  I decide to upgrade the car with AC, power seats, etc to make it do everything my friend needs.  I then sell the car to them with working AC, power seats, etc.  Then they find out they own the car, which drives okay, but have to pay monthly for "premium" features like AC and power seats, and if they stop paying, those things will no longer function, that would be quite a problem.  

Yes, the car runs and will get you from here to there, but the things that make it comfortable and enjoyable to drive require continued monthly payments.  THAT is not a good business model.

Just FYI, I VERY rarely ever comment on these kinds of things.  I've been considering moving to PageLines for some time for my web development business, but if it goes as it looks like it's going to, I'll be going elsewhere. Very disappointing considering the uniqueness of PL and likely of DMS.

1 year, 3 months ago on Why DMS will be open source.

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By upgrades I mean addons. Was that not clear? Think before you post a smart aleck response.

1 year, 3 months ago on Why DMS will be open source.

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@AleksanderHansson That doesn't change the fact that any upgrades, etc, to the framework will be subscription based.  I don't really care how good the product is if I have to pay ongoing to keep it functioning.

How about they give us an option?  Pay a developer's price OR a small monthly subscription price with the option of purchasing outright at some point in the future.  ANYTHING but a recurring charge.  


1 year, 3 months ago on Why DMS will be open source.

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I'm going to join with many of the others and say I think a subscription model is not a good idea.  While it would seem to be a good business decision because of predictable monthly income, it's going to scare a lot of us off.  Subscriptions are great for some products, but not a website development platform. 

I don't want to pay monthly (or whatever the term is) for a client's site for the foreseeable future or risk losing the add-ons, etc that I've built into their site.  I want to pay once and be done with it.  I KNOW my clients aren't going to want to continue to pay indefinitely for a website in ADDITION to web hosting.  Even if it's a developer's license sort of thing where I can build unlimited sites with my subscription, if I decide I'm paying too much monthly for some of the features and drop them, ALL of my clients will suffer.  So I'm literally beholden to the subscription.

I hope this is a really well-thought-out pricing structure.  I'll be interested to see what you end up with.

1 year, 3 months ago on Why DMS will be open source.

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