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@webranger1962 @Malcolm Finch 

webranger, you really are a fuckwit.

I haven't questioned their ability to build competent products, I've questioned what could be considered a very lame reason for switching to a subscription payment. It's happening more with WP plugins and potentially these guys are thinking the same. What I've indicated is that IF this is a reason then it's not a very good.

What I can say with certainty is this process of making ridiculous statements about 'hey this is going to be the best thing ever, trust us because we say so'  sounds more car salesman than leading edge web developer.

Framework is not brilliant, yes it's good for somethings but as I've mentioned earlier you still have to code a lot of extra stuff yourself, or see what plugins might suit. I really think PL need to develop 2 versions one for people who only use it for one site and therefore have a different set of requirements, the other version for web companies who are using it as platform or dare I say a framework for building multiple site for multiple users for multiple requirements.

So please don't question my abilities or experience by insinuating that I am some 2 bit amatuer who has never built a website before. so unless you can say something useful please fuck off.

1 year, 3 months ago on Why DMS will be open source.

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I think I can guess what the subscription is about....I firmly believe we'll be paying $$ to remove the pagelines leaf on every site.

Let's say $5 per month per site. OK there might other things such as support but the catch will be no subscription, have a pagelines in the footer. Pay the subs and that goes.

Not good IF that's the case

1 year, 3 months ago on Why DMS will be open source.

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@musicman75 @etc 

I think musicman75 summed it up brilliantly for me.

1 year, 3 months ago on Why DMS will be open source.

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nothing, read what tampa greg wrote and then read the answers

1 year, 3 months ago on Why DMS will be open source.

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@TampaGreg 

sorry that should say 'is NOT really that old'

1 year, 3 months ago on Why DMS will be open source.

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@TampaGreg 

I think the point is many of us have already invested a couple of hundred dollars, and more importantly time in to published websites. 

After the launch of the Framework many of us who were using pagelines pro had to invest many hours of effort and hassle to get client sites switched over. Bearing in mind that framework is really that old it seems that we may have to go through the same problems again. What you also fail to realise is that you still have to do a lot your own coding to get the most out of framework, or least invest heavily in some plugins.

1 year, 3 months ago on Why DMS will be open source.

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@etc @dilbert4life @Malcolm Finch @arpowers 

What's OnStar? never heard of it, so can't use it as a comparison.

I don't work for pagelines so no point telling me about my marketing message. I am however a long time user of pagelines.

1 year, 3 months ago on Why DMS will be open source.

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Whatever...finally you've cottoned on. A lease or as others may call it a 'subscription', and yes you're correct that perhaps what Pagelines are insinuating, is that as a subscription then you will not own it.

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@dilbert4life @Malcolm Finch 

You're wrong, because under this scenario you haven't bought the car, you're paying monthly installments, You miss paying those, you get repo'd.

1 year, 3 months ago on Why DMS will be open source.

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@flidget @Malcolm Finch That's a very good deal, glad it worked out

What I've suggested to Adobe is they look at grouped subscription, what I mean by that is...I'll pay say £25 per month for 5 products, the ones that relevant to me, ones that I want. They can be any 5 applications so long as they not the same. So no 5 x photoshop. They have to be individual. Perhaps occasionally I might want an additional product for a month, so chuck another £5 on the bill and let me add another product for that month.

Not sure if that would work for pagelines, in terms of adding features, but they should really be thinking outside the box with this.

1 year, 3 months ago on Why DMS will be open source.

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I don't think you can claim that a product should work forever. A reasonable term yes, but not forever.If that was the case then I would only need to buy one car, one computer etc etc.It needs to be approached 'reasonably' that's both supplier and purchaser. Expectations are very difficult to manage.
I have argued this point with Pagelines already, be reasonable with people who purchased the previous version a couple months before the new comes out. If you had pagelines pro a couple of years before platform came out then you can't expect to get a free upgrade. I guess their argument would be it was a new product and not an upgrade.

1 year, 3 months ago on Why DMS will be open source.

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@arpowers @flidget @Malcolm Finch 

We believe you. I'm suggesting you look at the pricing model. I'm not expecting anything for free, free things lack perceived quality, but saying that, I'm not massively enthralled with Platform at the moment. There are still issues with it. It seems to me that you have deemed it acceptable to act like Apple, Use the users as the testers.

The point is you price right, you price it fair, and you'll do well. You mess it up and you'll lose customers quicker than Google in Europe.


1 year, 3 months ago on Why DMS will be open source.

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@flidget hear hear

1 year, 3 months ago on Why DMS will be open source.

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Why subscription payments don't always work, I would use Adobe as a prime example. Before I decide what is best payment method I always look at the options and calculate a 3 year term. I do this because A. most clients don't really care what versions of software you are using so long as you get the job done. To them a website is a website, how it's built, and using what tools is not really their concern. B. What's the cheapest. C. Is it really necessary to update.

As an example, I upgraded to CS6 it cost me £650. I know I can get away with not upgrading for 3 years. Currently Adobe Creative Cloud costs £46.88 per month (3 years that £1687.68) OK I do get more software and other pointless rubbish. WOW I get access to cloud storage. Great I can 100gb Google Drive for £4 per month. The point being I would be charged lots of money for stuff I don't need. The other thing with Adobe and more importantly Pagelines it's not so good at keeping to promises, no sorry perhaps that should be contract terms. For instance Adobe launched a load of products for Android, selling individually for £15 each. Less than 12 months later they have pulled the plug. Just glad I didn't buy any. Pagelines offered free upgrades if you brought Pagelines Pro. Then a little time later launched pagelines platform. Oh hang on you don't get that as a free upgrade. So just buy the new platform for stupid money, create a few sites with it and BOOM new frikkin software.

So what happens if I don't want support do I get all the features of the site ? more likely no.

Are you suggesting that you are constantly monitoring all website built with DMS. So if I build a site as a subscriber, then cancel my subscription parts of the site will stop working...Do you work for the US government ? Spying on us


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@illinimatt81 @Sam Brody1 @arpowers I couldn't agree more with you. I will look at this very cautiously when it is launched.

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