Bring the Cup Home
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i was at the islanders/rangers game at nassau collesium last night. watching those two teams play shocked me as to the difference between watching the leafs play.
3 days, 16 hours ago on GDT: Game #49, New Jersey Devils vs. Toronto Maple Leafs (7:30 p.m., SN)
problem is, it may be the 10th round of the shootout before that happens!
anyone watch vinat raliev much? how is he? how's his skating?
i have high hopes for him but my hopes were super high for matt finn haven't turned out as dreamed just yet. still lots of time with him sure, but i learned right here on MLHS last year from some posters who said his speed will be an issue when he goes pro.
so.....wondering what's the inside scoop on valiev? he's having an amazing year by the looks of it but wondering if anyone here knows if he's the real deal?
3 days, 18 hours ago on GDT: Game #49, New Jersey Devils vs. Toronto Maple Leafs (7:30 p.m., SN)
this lineup is pretty bad. if we played with that lineup all year we'd be in the mcdavid sweepstakes.
wow. percy falling down the depth chart looking at tonight's lineup
like it or not, i think kessel simply MUST go. i love the guy, and really feel for him and all the heat he takes. that said, Cameron's point below is bang on. he just isn't the first building block you need in a rebuild or a team that needs a full on leader. and now that he's been here so long, we can't say 'well.....franson will take leadership' or anyone else that comes in. this is phil's team. he's been here the longest, he's the highest paid. and he just isn't that leader guy that we need from that paycheck and that role right now.
it's why he'll look so f'n good playing for the Kings, the Preds, or wherever he lands who has an identity and can just enjoy phil being phil and sniping away.
we'll also get a bunch of futures back for him and i honestly think that if we don't want to fully blow it up, we need to trade both phil and dion and blow up the core.
3 days, 23 hours ago on Wednesday Mashup: Back At It vs. Devils
@Cameron19 @ProfessorRance @WB_222 @DeclanK
also, we could get a bunch of futures back for him that would make it all worth it.
agree 100%. it's why kessel would look SO good added to a team like the kings....or the predators....or the red wings.....but not as the primary building block of a building team.
our only hope is to win the draft lottery this year! we do that, and things suddenly look very bright.
okay, so if we don't want to entirely blow it up, we do need to get rid of some KEY pieces at the very least.
@Forever17 @Bring the Cup Home
we shall see.
4 days ago on Wednesday Mashup: Back At It vs. Devils
@Kessel81 @Bring the Cup Home @Forever17
you think we get a 1st+ for franson. you're insane.
so we need to trade winnik and santo and get some good picks for these UFA's that aren't coming back most likely anyways. that will also help accelerate our tanking, and get us hopefully a top 6 or above pick....
raptors prediction. they prove a legit top 4 eastern conference team this season and next and maybe make it to a conference final. they also prove they aren't as good as cleveland, chicago, atlanta and more on par with washington.
but then, summer 2016.....they pull a mircale and sign Kevin Durant and go on a 3 year run of being the best team in the East and one of the best in the league, and win two titles.
6 days, 14 hours ago on Saturday Mashup: All Star Weekend
dollars to doughnuts we end up with mitchell marner next year. which, to be honest, i don't want. i don't want our chance at drafting a potential long term impact center being that small.
1 week ago on Saturday Mashup: All Star Weekend
should be interesting next season when a few of our juniors look to make the leap to the pro level. i think i'll most look forward to seeing what this guy brings to the AHL party:
he's go the size. his numbers are showing HUGE improvement this year so hopefully he has a good future.
also of note will be seeing how gauthier and verhaeghe fare in the pro levels.
heaven forbid we end up with someone who places in the top 5 in the NHL in goals scored and total points over an extended 5 year period. man that would be terrible.
kidding aside, i see your point. i'm hoping willie is either a more complete player than phil (albeit if not as good a point getter perhaps), but if he turns into a one-dimensional offensive force like phil at least we could trade phil for a ton of future and have willie fill that role for less money for a while.
how could any executive in their right mind think we are anywhere near close to winning a goddamn thing? we've proven for YEARS running that this core (and pieces added and deleted from it) continues to deliver beyond astonishingly bad results. look at our record since getting dion and phil in place, and surrounding them with a variety of suporting cast. it's an absolute joke.
i'm actually finding it morbidly fascinating as i've gone beyond being depressed about it because it is all just so.....hopeless.
they absolutely MUST do something they've never attempted, keep all draft picks, trade for more draft picks and build from scratch with EXCELLENT management in charge of it the whole way through. that's all i care to see happen anymore. anything else is a joke.
1 week, 3 days ago on Game 47 Scoring Chances: Senators 4 vs. Maple Leafs 3
leafs rebuild goes something like this:
- some minor moves leading up to trade deadline.
- dump dion and phil this summer.
- spend 3 years drafting and another 2 years on top of that developing and end up taking a run from the 2020 season and beyond!
this after over a decade straight of terrible results.
awesome being a leaf fan!
1 week, 5 days ago on GDT: Game #47, Toronto Maple Leafs vs. Carolina Hurricanes (7:30pm, TSN4)
the way they've been playing (boring, D-first hockey) and they've lost the last 4 games (assuming they lose tonight) in low scoring affairs.
if they'd have won the last 4 and were winning 1-0, 2-1, etc. there'd be a very different feeling.
2 weeks ago on GDT: Game #46, Toronto Maple Leafs at St. Louis Blues (7 p.m., CBC)
@Top Jimmy i just miss bob cole so much. that's what you get when your team is so weak.
@Hmmm @In it to Winnik
yeah.....they really outta rig the draft lottery this year and get mcD in the biggest market!!!!
would rather have franson than phaneuf as our big, not allstar but good, solid on the PP, defenseman.
that's what every leafs GM in the past 40 years has thought. and we're nuts?
for every example of the oilers not being able to build through tanking, there's a penguins, a blackhawks and now? the islanders are looking real good after their little 5 year run of tanking.
i want to see, for once in my life, the leafs just tear it to the ground and do a full 3 - 5 rebuild through getting VERY VERY bad. for once i'd like to see that here.
haha. funny thing is it's true.
wow with a few guys injured our bottom six looks f'n weak. hell, our bottom 9 in this lineup compared to most in the NHL would be much worse.
i stand corrected.
@Radar O'Rielly @Burn_the_Loov_Boats @Bring the Cup Home
agreed re. ballard years. but give this another 5 years and it'll be getting close.
well, when you've been through several coaches and many rounds of players and a few GM's and presidents, all ending in the same mediocricy, perhaps it's not too far fetched to assume ownership isn't helping.
our problem starts with ownership. rogers and bell is a recipe for years/decades more futility. one wants burke, one doesn't. they release to press that they may want to try and convince leuwike to stay. they must be one of the more dysfunctional ownership groups in the league and the problem with the leafs? dysfunction. i believe THIS is the blue and white disease, and it'll never leave until ownership gets in line and leads by example. sad to say i think we are in the middle of the darkest ages of leafs history.
so i'd trade anyone over 26 years old with value on the market who we don't want around to teach young kids how to lose like an asshole, and assume that a FULL rebuild will be 5 years until we could say we should be looking at starting to contend for playoff spot and then over the subsequent 5 years (ie. 2020 - 2025) is when we'd be contenders.
so then, trade phaneuf, kessel, lupul, bozak, gardiner and others (i just don't like him even though young) and build around a core of kadri, JVR, rielly, nylander, robidas (as teacher) and the draft picks we'd be getting in the next 3 years. i think we could see ourselves with 4 picks in the first 2 rounds each of the next 3 years if we played our cards right, and our pick would be top 5 and hopefully top 2 at least one year where we luck out and land our franchise center.
i could watch that unfold over the next 5 years and enjoy seeing it for the first time ever. i'd just want it to start sooner than later if we're gonna do it, but recognize it'd be a long process. (lots of trading in the summer)
2 weeks, 1 day ago on Friday Mashup: Slip Sliding Away
@dlb, just dlb @TheGroobster
2 weeks, 2 days ago on Game Review: Game #44, Anaheim Ducks 4 vs. Toronto Maple Leafs 0
yep. so hopefully shanny goes all-in on that direction. just stock a ton of draft picks by trading pretty much everyone who we known shouldn't be part of our long term plan. i'd trade all of phaneuf, bozak, kessel, lupul, gardiner, reimer, clarkson (yeah right) and just see how many draft picks we get in return. keep kadri, JVR, rielly, holland, nylander and just suffer through 3 bad years but draft two or three in the first round each year and then come out of it built through the draft and see what that got us. i'd take that route for once.
completely agree. that's why i could see shanny saying either he gets a full rebuild in his vision or he walks. that's if they look hopeless the rest of the year.
2 weeks, 3 days ago on GDT: Game #44, Toronto Maple Leafs at Anaheim Ducks (10 p.m., SNO)
yep. and that is on nonis.
i could see shanny initiate a full rebuild if they finish 10th in the conference or worse. i could see him firing nonis, bringing in his guy as GM and trading away all he could and go for nothing but long term rebuild. and hell, if that's how the season played out i'd be game. if we got rid of phaneuf, kessel, bozak, lupul, gardiner, reimer and clarkson for nothing but futures and draft picks, then drafted and developed centers, we'd stand a chance at being good in 5 years time. that my friends may be our best hope.
why on earth would nonis give dion a 7 year contract? honestly. i miss brian burke's cold hard rule of 5 years maximum.
i think dion has to be the core piece that is moved out. if that is even possible.
frodo fuckin' baggins
goddamn this broadcast is bush league.
we NEED To keep playing how we've been playing since the coaching change......period.
nope. feels like it belongs in the AHL.
@Hammertownleaffan @Bring the Cup Home
yeah. agree it's boring but there's the crux of toronto. too easy to revert to entertaining hockey.....that doesn't win a damn thing.
let's give it time. my fear is the players get impatient and revert back to run and gun style.
i actually like the fact the leafs are trying something different. i think, although losing, our play is 'more sustainable'. the opposite of when we were winning but giving up 40 shots a game. i want to see them play this way the entire rest of the season and see how it all plays out.
bozak and kessel for jordan and eric staal. see what happens with this cycle of players for 1.5 years with that blockbuster taking place and if we don't like it, we cut eric staal loose and then enter full rebuild mode after next season.
2 weeks, 4 days ago on Game Review: Game #43, Los Angeles Kings 2 vs. Toronto Maple Leafs 0
he's not the number one guy so he's only had 15 starts but yeah.....4 of those have been shutouts. i doubt the leafs brass has enough confidence in him yet. my guess is that at the fastest, he earns number one duties on the marlies next season and plays well enough to start giving hope. goalies are usually longer term projects and it could be years before he's ready for the big club, with lots that could go wrong along the way.
2 weeks, 6 days ago on Sunday Mashup: On the road again
bibeau with his 4th shutout in his first 15 games. not a bad start to your pro career to rack up a shutout every 4 starts to get things rolling.
nice to also see percy slowly coming along with the marlies. here's hoping they have a great 2nd half to their season and guys like percy and bibeau continue to rise.