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man i wish we had the clarkson money and the gleason money for a $6.5M winger to play on that 2nd line.  if we could only make that one change, we'd be a good team.  the way our lineup looks now, i'm not overly optimistic about this upcoming season.

2 days, 5 hours ago on Leafs sign David Booth to a 1-year, $1.1 million contract

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@Cameron19 @lukethenuke @Bring the Cup Home @Jay_Berg 

i completely agree.  and i am hoping that kadri, gardiner, rielly, komorov improve and become that build-around-our-core this year, and that some of our young guys (leivo, percy, finn, granberg, nylander) become those upgrades that are built around our core in the next few years.  

4 days, 3 hours ago on Weekend Mashup: $2.2 million apart

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@RandomScrub @Bring the Cup Home @Jay_Berg 

agreed.  the comment was meant to illustrate that he needs to get 65+ points to 'play to his full potential'.  whether that ended up meaning more power play time, a stint as 1C when bozak is injured or due to hot play or whatever, it's not unreasonable to say that he is a 65+ point player if he reaches his full potential.  hell, he got 44 points in 48 games two years ago, and he wasn't on the first line then.....

4 days, 3 hours ago on Weekend Mashup: $2.2 million apart

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@Jay_Berg 

lots of blind hope in leafland.  i think many have finally succumbed to accepting mediocrity.  suggest we are thin at D and suddenly 'all teams are'.  suggest kadri could be better and get hit with all sorts of comments that he's awesome just as he is.  i wonder what it's like to be a red wings fan or blackhawks fan or kings fan and actually expect a great lineup and know what one is made up of?  damn that's be nice.....

4 days, 3 hours ago on Weekend Mashup: $2.2 million apart

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@WendelGilmour @Bring the Cup Home 

to me that's just a ridiculous opinion.  i'd take JVR over Kardi on my team for sure.  
unless kadri showed more than 50 point totals. 

4 days, 3 hours ago on Weekend Mashup: $2.2 million apart

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@RandomScrub @Bring the Cup Home @loomx 

i guess i'm the only one that thinks he had an off year and has room to improve.  cool.  i'm on board.  let's go for 10th place guys!!!!  

4 days, 3 hours ago on Weekend Mashup: $2.2 million apart

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@RandomScrub @Bring the Cup Home @loomx 

decent stat line yes, but i personally see his potential as much more than 50 points in an 82 game season.  i think that's why he was drafted, and that's where his value lies IF he realizes his full potential.  20G and 30A years?  i'm hoping for more from him. unless he vastly improves his defensive play. 

4 days, 3 hours ago on Weekend Mashup: $2.2 million apart

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@WendelGilmour @Bring the Cup Home 

do you really think kadri is more of a lock to perform than JVR?  

4 days, 3 hours ago on Weekend Mashup: $2.2 million apart

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@RandomScrub @Bring the Cup Home @loomx 

i'd much prefer to have the 44 points in 48 games version of him who took a few games over and won them himself.  not the 50 point version we got last year.  and using our centers as the benchmark and saying that 'none of them has done that' doesn't mean much to me, unless we're happy where we are as a team that has proven to be absolute shit recently. or unless we have at least one center on our team putting up 65+ points. 

4 days, 3 hours ago on Weekend Mashup: $2.2 million apart

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@RandomScrub @Bring the Cup Home @loomx 

and has proven a defensive liability.  are you saying that kadri, as is without imrpovement, is the 2C you want on your team?

4 days, 3 hours ago on Weekend Mashup: $2.2 million apart

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@mike_84 @Bring the Cup Home 

good point.  i do think he'll be fine though.  and it won't be that long after that we see him in his first all star game.  i'd say he'll make an all star appearance by the age of 23. 

4 days, 3 hours ago on Weekend Mashup: $2.2 million apart

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@loomx @Bon Scott was a Leaf fan 

yeah, if he has another year like last year, it will be the worst contract in the league.

4 days, 4 hours ago on Weekend Mashup: $2.2 million apart

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@loomx @Bring the Cup Home 

okay then.  60+ points.  he doesn't bring the elements to the game other than points that some of those other 2C's in the league do so he needs points in my opinion to prove his value as that's his strength.  great at drawing penalties too.  but he can't muddle around with 50 - 55 points and be considered playing to his potential if you ask me.  

4 days, 4 hours ago on Weekend Mashup: $2.2 million apart

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3 leafs entering a make or break year:


1.  Cody Franson.  If he can show an improvement not on last year but the shortened previous year where he was looking like he was finally coming into his own as a bit of a beast he could still have a long a productive career as a top 4 D-man.  Or.....he could prove always that bubble guy that will get traded to 5 teams in his career.


2.  Nazem Kadri.  Same deal.  Needs to build on the promise he flashed in the lockout shortened year.  If he does and gets 65+ points he could prove a great 2C for the long term.  He needs to get off his cloud and realize he's not one of the best players in the league and work his ass off to improve and listen to those around him more.  If he doesn't he could prove to be gone.


3.  Jake Gardiner.  Very close, but needs to FULLY establish himself as a realible D-man without losing his flair for the offensive game. If not, i could see him traded as well.  But out of these 3, i think he'll have the easiest time proving his value as he came off a pretty strong year.


If the jackpot hits and all 3 of these guys break through the wall that none of them has fully been able to break through and realize their full potential, and if it happens to all 3 of them THIS season, we could end up having a good year.  With the locks like Kessel, JVR, Phaneuf, Rielly and Bernier who we all know will show up (yes i put Rielly in that group) and our newfound retooling of defensive D-men and bottom 6 group, it will take the 3 in this list to play to their promised potential of all these years for us to make any noise at all in the East. 

4 days, 4 hours ago on Weekend Mashup: $2.2 million apart

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go raptors.  go for the 2nd or 3rd round next year.


go leafs.  go for mcdavid or eichel next year.


2 weeks ago on Maple Leafs’ Assistant Coach announcement to come next week

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@peterbleafs @Bring the Cup Home 

they went home to their damn shoe closets and shopping for high fashion after losses, while playing miley cyrus in the dressing room after wins.  yay our team.

3 weeks ago on Petri Kontiola Signs with Maple Leafs on a 1-year, $1.1 million deal

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@peterbleafs @Bring the Cup Home 

i honestly am in a place where all this hype just looks silly and delusional.  like i said.....first time in my life i've been so 'glass half empty' re. the leafs, but it is what it is.  hell, maybe my expectations will play out as opposite in reality like always, but this time......the leafs will actually be good with me thinking they'll be bad.  

3 weeks ago on Petri Kontiola Signs with Maple Leafs on a 1-year, $1.1 million deal

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@Cameron19 @traNsplantEdneWfie @charlieb83 

AHL till december.  then WJC tourney.  then a quick look with the leafs towards the end of the season once we are out of the playoffs then back down to marlies for long playoff run.  

3 weeks ago on Petri Kontiola Signs with Maple Leafs on a 1-year, $1.1 million deal

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i have little to no hope for this version of the leafs.  i think i'm done (for the first time in my life) be-leaf-ing that we'll be any good.  we lost some good players and our lineup as it stands is just plain bad bad bad.  i say fuck it, throw in the towel and go for McDavid.  trade:

- dion for picks

- lupul for young prospect

- kessel for GREAT young prospect and picks

- kadri (if they'll take clarkson with him)

play a bunch of pilons, go for McDavid and worst case an amazing draft pick.  do a full rebuild and have all the cap space in the world moving forward to play with.  

in closing......go raptors.  Alec.....can you start raptorshotstove.com please?  

3 weeks ago on Petri Kontiola Signs with Maple Leafs on a 1-year, $1.1 million deal

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one thing is certain.....this year is the current crop's last year to prove they can win something.  another year like last year and most or all of the following i bet are gone, with new management coming on board for a full rebuild:

- carlyle

- nonis

- phaneuf

- kessel

- kadri

- gardiner

- clarkson (if at all possible)

3 weeks, 5 days ago on Maple Leafs Trade Carl Gunnarsson, 4th round pick for Roman Polak

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i would honestly be okay if we traded phaneuf, kadri and kessel for a crop of (different) GOOD young prospects and draft picks.  and then go for the rebuild and hopefully hit the jackpot at next year's draft with a bunch of good cap space to add pieces over the next few years.  if we could perhaps package clarkson in with kadri so that we get rid of that salary.  then we build around the crop of young prospects we get in return along with rielly, gardiner, nylander, etc. and next year's draft pick.  i'd love for once to to a full rebuild and see the results for 10 years.


i know that we may be closer than it seems but i just don't think kessel, phaneuf and kadri are the ones to LEAD us to the promised land.  hope i'm wrong but not so sure.

3 weeks, 5 days ago on Maple Leafs Trade Carl Gunnarsson, 4th round pick for Roman Polak

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best case i think for nylander is to start the year with the marlies, then give him up for the world juniors and see what he does there, then re-evaluate, but most likely finish the year with the marlies and make a long playoff run there.  then next year he joins the big club perhaps.

3 weeks, 5 days ago on Maple Leafs Trade Carl Gunnarsson, 4th round pick for Roman Polak

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would i be wrong to say it might be a great time for a full rebuild?  i like the nylander pick, but best case, he's our top line center and kessel's on the right wing.  too small.  and phaneuf as captain?  with another small guy (kadri) as 2C?

too small.

what if we traded:

- phaneuf

- kessel

- kadri

for mostly draft picks and some VERY GOOD prospects.  


then we rethink what may bring us the cup and admit that phil and dion might not be those guys.  


we could do that....or trade for joe and go for it now!!!!!

3 weeks, 6 days ago on William Nylander Drafted 8th Overall by the Maple Leafs

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hate to say it, but this is the least i've checked this site in years.  other offseasons leading up to the draft and UFA season, i was glued to here by now.  it's not the fault of the site.....i definitely say it's the way this leafs team finished the season this year.  was really fucking disheartening.  i'll get right back into it on draft day but shit man.....they gotta give us a reason for hope one day......don't they?

1 month ago on (Saturday Mashup) Tread Carefully

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when the hell are the leafs ever going to be one of those teams that gets a true superstar from mid to late first round (or 2nd round) in the draft.


we need something like a giroux, a kopitar, a zetterberg come our way one of these years/decades in the draft.  man i'd love to see that happen.  i don't think we have that in our system now unless connor brown somehow turns his crazy display of skill in junior into the same at the pro level, which most aren't expecting.  could happen though, as i bet when zetterberg or datsyuk at the age of 20 weren't being projected to be impact guys.  


anyways, a pick like that which turns into your franchise cornerstone and didn't come from the top 10 in the draft is something that can alter the course of a franchise for a decade, and we need/deserve that to happen to us dammit!!!!

1 month, 1 week ago on (Tuesday Mashup) Still Waiting for Leafs News

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best thing we could do is sign komorov and get rid of clarkson. 

2 months, 1 week ago on Leo Komarov set to return to the NHL

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@MikeGartner11 @Bring the Cup Home@leafersutherland@RandomScrub 

agree, although we are still lacking impact players in our system.  lots of solid prospects but no real stars.....outside rielly.  

2 months, 1 week ago on Carlyle Returns

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@MikeGartner11 @leafersutherland@RandomScrub@Bring the Cup Home 

agree completely.  you picked the same two i think are our best prospects.  i think within a few years, we'll be seeing leivo as a 2nd line winger and finn as a solid 2nd pairing D-man.  

2 months, 1 week ago on Carlyle Returns

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so one silver lining of this hockey season is that leaf prospects won player of the year (Connor Brown) and captain of the year (Matt Finn) in the OHL this year.  hopefully those guys' skills and leadership translates to the pros and hopefully they both have decent rookie years for the marlies next year.  i could see finn coming into camp and impressing, but not making the roster.  give each of those guys two seasons down in the AHL and hopefully they'll be impact players in the NHL within 3 - 4 years. 

2 months, 1 week ago on Carlyle Returns

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the one move i'd absolutely love to see is to rid ourselves of the clarkson contract and sign komorov in his place.  would help a lot in the long term ability to compete, as komorov is an upgrade i think and younger and the additional cap space could be used on someone with use.

2 months, 2 weeks ago on Sticking by the wrong guy

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@MaxwellHowe  

islanders may be the only other team as sad sack as us.

2 months, 2 weeks ago on Sticking by the wrong guy

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does this vote of confidence in carlyle mean they are hanging this on the players?  if so, can we expect big moves with names like dion and kadri involved?  or are we staying the course? 

2 months, 2 weeks ago on Sticking by the wrong guy

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anyone know of a good way to watch the raps game for a huge raps fan sitting in the USA?  any good streams?  any way to watch on my apple tv?  i'd be happy to pay for a good stream.

2 months, 3 weeks ago on Toronto Marlies Take 2-0 Series Lead With Back-to-Back Victories in Milwaukee

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@Jay31 @Bring the Cup Home

i'll agree lumping him in with kadri may be a bit much, but i haven't seen complete consistency from gardiner for a LONG period of time.  the last half of the season was pretty good.  i hope he still gets better though.

3 months, 2 weeks ago on Game Review: Game #80, Lightning 3 vs. Maple Leafs 0

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10 fucking things about the leafs moving forward:


1.  Kessel stays.  Scoring touch like that simply does not grow on trees.  I believe he deeply cares and wants to win.  I believe he'll be here and a big reason we do when we do.  His contract will look better and better in the next few years as the cap goes up and $9 million becomes the new $8 million.  


2.  Carlyle goes.  Plain and simple.  The leafs let him down sure, but he's just gotta go.  He's at a loss and his systems aren't being played at all.  Must change coach. 


3.  Rielly = future Gold.  love this kid.  brightest spot of the season.  just too bad he had to get initiated into what being a true Leaf is all about by enduing a monumental collapse.  


4.  Franson = bye bye.  Get outta town buddy, and don't come back.  I'd take Lebda back.  I just don't like what he brings.  I thought last season he was going to be a HUGE part of our team moving forward, but he lost his mean streak he had started to develop and just plays for the power play.  Buh bye.  


5.  Bernier = Gold.  He'll be a big part of why we win and make the playoffs next year.  


6.  Kadri = ?????   What do we have in Kadri.  Next season will tell us the answer.  For now, we either have a cocky SOB who really isn't any good or a developing kid ready to take that next step and find CONSISTENCY.  by this time next year we'll know for sure what type of player he is going to be in this league.


7.  Leivo is a good hope.  I think he'll break out next year on the Marlies or even challenge for a spot on the big club out of camp.  i hope he spends one more year with the marlies and gets a point a game down there.  Then comes up and makes an impact the following year.  


8.  Clarkson = albatross.  If there's one thing that'll screw us moving forward, it's this contract.  you simply can't afford to pay someone $5.25M in the salary cap era and have that player make ZERO impact on your team.  


9.  Gardiner = ?????   For comment about him see Kadri, Nazem in point 6 above.  It's EXACTLY how i feel about jake.  


10.  Dion.  If there were an option to sign a legit 1C, i'd do it and trade dion for whatever.  without that option, we gotta keep him.  i like his play.  don't think he deserves the C anymore.  his teams have failed in so many ways it's embarrassing.  but i do like him as a player and think his contract is fine in the rising cap era ahead. 

3 months, 2 weeks ago on Game Review: Game #80, Lightning 3 vs. Maple Leafs 0

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@ConnorCrisp  

i'd give my left nut for babcock.  but even the left nut of a million leaf fans (which would be easy to find) wouldn't get babcock here.  not yet.  not till he's old and irrelevant.  

3 months, 2 weeks ago on Morning Mashup: Leafs All But Out Of Playoff Picture

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@Fish Head  

what i wouldn't give to have a mike babcock as our coach.  i agree with you.  we need to get a good younger coach.   i don't agree with someone like Spott (as he shouldn't even be in the coversation), but i do like your thought on Blashill.  I think the Leafs should go after him.  Good call. 

3 months, 2 weeks ago on Morning Mashup: Leafs All But Out Of Playoff Picture

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how about this as a trade for relamation projects.  


franson, reimer and clarkson to jets for evander kane.  straight up.  


i'd do it in a heartbeat.  although it could get painful with two kids as cocky as kane and kadri. 

3 months, 2 weeks ago on Morning Mashup: Leafs All But Out Of Playoff Picture

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our only hope.......stamkos as UFA.  let's start beating that drum in classic leaf fan style.  my god why is this team so painful to us every year?!?!?

3 months, 2 weeks ago on Morning Mashup: Leafs All But Out Of Playoff Picture

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@Jay31 @lukethenuke 

i just can't believe how little value he's shown this season.  i have seen MAYBE one or two games where he actually looked like he had any sort of impact at all.  

3 months, 3 weeks ago on Game Review: Game #77, Maple Leafs 3 vs. Flames 2

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@Jay31 @Bring the Cup Home 

wishful thinking if you ask me.  they are both restricted free agents.  we'd be lucky to get a 2nd for either of them.  definitely won't get  two 2nds and a prospect for them.  at this point, i'd be happy with a 2nd a 3rd for them.  especially if we get calgary's 2nd.  

3 months, 3 weeks ago on Game Review: Game #77, Maple Leafs 3 vs. Flames 2

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@lukethenuke  

he's a douche and i want him off this team.  i'm guessing we are stuck with him for years.....and years.....and years.......imagine him at 35 years old.  how bad is that contract going to look by then?????

3 months, 3 weeks ago on Game Review: Game #77, Maple Leafs 3 vs. Flames 2

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hindsight is 20/20 but man oh man if we could have traded franson and reimer earlier this season i bet we could have got something real good.  i bet if we had of traded them 20 games into the season (before edm got scrivens) we could have gotten their 1st pick for those two.  just imagine how much better our future would look without those two and with a top 3 pick in this year's draft.  man that would have been sweet.  

now we'll get rid of them both for pretty much nothing.  or nothing.

3 months, 3 weeks ago on Game Review: Game #77, Maple Leafs 3 vs. Flames 2

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@DJBrianBurke @vinoa@Bring the Cup Home 

really?  come on.  you gonna throw stones at boston when we are putting on this display and they are first place by a mile?

3 months, 3 weeks ago on @SharkClubDundas Game Day: Game #76, Red Wings at Maple Leafs

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@toleafs  

who gives a shit about the draft?  i don't anymore.  fuck this team from top to bottom.

3 months, 3 weeks ago on @SharkClubDundas Game Day: Game #76, Red Wings at Maple Leafs

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@toleafs  

i hope we don't.  i hope we go 14 games without a point.  

3 months, 3 weeks ago on @SharkClubDundas Game Day: Game #76, Red Wings at Maple Leafs

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@DJBrianBurke @Bring the Cup Home 

yeah.  or our 3 goals collapse.  one or the other.  whatever.  the leafs suck.  it is plain.  it is simple. they suck shit.  

3 months, 3 weeks ago on @SharkClubDundas Game Day: Game #76, Red Wings at Maple Leafs

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when do we determine we need to change our captain?  is it after the infamous '18 wheeler going over the cliff'?


is it after the worst 3rd period playoff choke of all time?


is it after the worst late season choke in recent memory where his team couldn't get as much as a single fucking point in 8 fucking games?


when?  when does dion get the C ripped off his chest?

3 months, 3 weeks ago on @SharkClubDundas Game Day: Game #76, Red Wings at Maple Leafs

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@Chris Jay @Bring the Cup Home 

imagine what we could have got if we bundled franson and reimer about a third of the way through the season.  bet we could have got something real nice back.  now?  fuck all.....

3 months, 3 weeks ago on @SharkClubDundas Game Day: Game #76, Red Wings at Maple Leafs

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