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dream with me for a moment. assume the following happens:
- we win the lottery. pick mcdavid
- edmonton moves down to 4th overall pick. they feel a veteran D leader is the answer and look to hometown boy Dion Phaneuf as their saviour. they trade with us straight up for their pick. leafs land hanafin cuz he's still available.
- the blue jackets think they had an off year due to early injury troubles. they see phil kessel as their answer and part with their first pick (6th overall) for him on the draft floor. they throw in a 2nd rounder next year. with that pick, we take strome who is still available.
- we snag a nice player with nashville's pick.
we walk out of the first day of the draft with:
- good late round pick
haha. near impossible but if that happened, it would generate just a wee bit of excitement around here as to what the future would bring.
1 week, 2 days ago on Dylan Strome wins the OHL scoring title
@HHT @Bring the Cup Home @Pent_House
doesn't mean a damn thing but it sure felt good to have just run the nhl 2015 draft simulator and come up with the leafs as the winner. have some fun running it yourself here:
@Pent_House @Bring the Cup Home
yep, but if someone behind us wins the lottery we drop to 5th.
the next two big questions are:
1. can we manufacture a late round 'steal' with the nashville pick and also end up with what becomes a solid top 6 forward/top 4 defense type player?
2. can we work some draft floor magic and end up with another 1st rounder (or two) for the likes of kessel and phaneuf, or even bozak and lupul?
bottom line is that we should pick up a VERY good player in this year's draft. my thinking is that the top 5 are all can't miss and it's looking like we are going to pick either 1st (fingers, toes and nutsack crossed we win the lottery), 4th or 5th (should someone behind us win the lottery).
so eichel as the defacto number 2 is off the table meaning we'll end up with either mcdavid, strome, marner or hanafin. obviously mcdavid is the dream, but i can live with any one of the others.
dylan strome with a 6 point effort today takes over the OHL lead in points (although he's played more games than marner and if we're talking PPG then McDavid is ahead by a country mile). Still....I'd love to see Strome in the blue and white. If we don't win the lottery (and therefore assume McDavid and Eichel are off the table) I'd take Strome or Hanafin without much issue.
1 week, 3 days ago on Game 73 Scoring Chances: Senators 5 vs. Maple Leafs 3
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just read an article about how this is both phil and lupul's longest stretch of futility in their entire careers.....by far. not doing wonders for their trade values. question is....do we trade phil this summer to a team who thinks the last half of this year was an enigma, or do we wait and hope he bounces back?
if he had an entire year next year like this he would be impossible to deal, so i say we gotta take what we can get this summer on him, bozak, phaneuf and lupul. and i think there WILL be teams this summer that will assume he's still elite.
crapped out? he had the leafs overachieving! some may say he can get a group to play WAY above their heads.
the next decade of how the leafs end up doing will be based entirely on the next 2 or 3 drafts, and subsequent development options of the players drafted. that's a refreshing thought but it'll also be interesting to see how that plays out.
you think carlyle gets another head coaching job this summer?
the leafs are rotton from the core. no amount of window dressing vis a vis college free agents or unsigned KHL castoffs is gonna turn this thing around. not saying i don't like the moves. hell, they both may turn out to be NHL regulars. they ceratinly won't fix the root of our problem......a rotton core.
if it wasn't for that damn 9-1-1 stretch after the horrible loss to nashville earlier this year, we'd be fighting for dead last. dammit.
1 week, 4 days ago on Game 73 Scoring Chances: Senators 5 vs. Maple Leafs 3
due to AHL rules, is willie nylander one of the youngest players playing in that league right now?
1 week, 4 days ago on GDT: Game #73, Toronto Maple Leafs vs. Ottawa Senators (7 p.m., HNIC)
i'd take strome with our pick and this guy with nashville's pick in an ideal draft (outside the lottery win and mcdavid of course):
After almost a complete season on the Farjestad blueline as a 16 year old, Oliver Kylington
entered this season being looked at not only as a mainstay for the
team’s defensive corps, but also as Sweden’s top prospect in this
summer’s draft. Part of the team’s horrendous start, he was loaned out
to AIK Stockholm of the Allsvenskan after five points and a -2 rating in
18 games. Still scheduled for the WJC squad in Canada, he suffered an
injury shortly before Christmas, thus missing out on what should have
been his prime opportunity to show just how good he can be against
like-aged peers. Once healthy and back in AIK’s line-up, Kylington
managed four goals, seven points, and a -2 in 17 games.
All in all, these events have slowly but surely led to a drop in his
draft ranking. Originally thought to be a top 10 talent, some wonder if
he’ll crack the top 20 at the 2015 NHL Draft. What cannot be denied is
the considerable tool set that he possesses and the assumption that
perhaps expectations and his injury just weighed on him a bit too much.
Of course, a good showing at the U18 in Switzerland next month could change all that.
2 weeks ago on Wednesday Mashup: Leafs Eliminated from playoffs
the worst thing in the entire world would be if ottawa wins the draft lottery.
2 weeks, 1 day ago on Leafs Notebook – March 17
great point!!! we'd attract a great coach, we'd attract a great winger free agent who'd take a discount to play along side him on a 3 year deal and pad their stats for their next big payday (milan lucic may want to try and score 40 goals by signing with us in 2016).
basically, winning the lottery would solve everything!
here's what i feel could be a magical chain of events to get us fast tracked to being contenders in 3 years:
- we win this year's lottery. would be the single biggest factor in this whole chain. draft mcdavid.
- this summer we trade phaneuf for a good young prospect that is near NHL ready.
- we also trade lupul and bozak for picks and prospects
- although many say we keep kessel since we got mcdavid now, i say we trade him in a blockbuster deal on the draft floor that nets us a number 5 pick (perhaps columbus), and we grab hanafin who is still available. nylander is long term replacement for kessel
- we have one more bad year next year and get another top 3 pick in the 2016 draft. we don't get matthews but a super solid winger like Jesse Puljujarvi
- with an insane pipeline of uber-high-end talent under the age of 22 (nylander, mcdavid, hanafin, pulijujarvi, rielly) we look at the 2016 free agency period as the time to add a veteran or two and start to improve.
- every winger now wants the chance to play with mcdavid, but we grab milan lucic to ride shotgun to mcdavid and ensure no one fucks with him while being able to keep up offensively
- we have a solid year in 2016/2017 and by the end of it, mcdavid looks to be close to taking crown as best player in the league
- we sign a key veteran or two in 2017 free agency and head into the 2017/2018 season ready to rock with a lineup of:
Lucic - McDavid - Nylander
JVR - Kadri - PuljujarviKomarov - Free Agent - Leivo or Brown
Free Agent - Gauthier - One of the Rupert Bros.
Free Agent - Rielly
Hanafin - (prospect we got for Dion)
Percy - Loov/Granberg
That lineup challenges for playoff spot in 2017/18 but then really gets fired up and challenges for much more from 2018 through 2022.
multiple choice question of the day. when will the leafs next make the playoffs:
(a) we win mcdavid sweestakes, pick up a great coach this summer and we get in next year.
(b) nylander wins rookie of the year and leads us in after the 2016/2017 season.
(c) it will be 3 years near the basement after the fire sale this summer so playoffs will come in the 2018/2019 season.
(d) think edmonton oilers. playoffs won't come until the 2020's.
@In it to Winnik @colino17 @mtommy every team in the league would have these types of 'misses'. just seems like they also have more hits than we get. the next two draft years will make or break our next decade.
2 weeks, 2 days ago on Game 70 Scoring Chances: Canucks 4 vs. Maple Leafs 1
Shannahan sitting down with Kadri before the season started to tell him what was expected of him on the ice was probably the biggest factor in Kadri's improved overall play this year.
i'd cut my right arm off and mail it to mcdavid in a show of support.
2 weeks, 3 days ago on GDT: Game #70, Toronto Maple Leafs at Vancouver Canucks (7 p.m., CBC)
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but the excitement of winning the lottery would just build over the whole summer and would last for years and years as we watched the career of the greatest leaf in history (and perhaps one of the all time great NHL'ers unfold.
2 weeks, 4 days ago on GDT: Game #70, Toronto Maple Leafs at Vancouver Canucks (7 p.m., CBC)
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and then he comes into the NHL and wins calder in 2016/2017. with
mcdavid in his 2nd year as his center, they form the most dynamic young
tandem in hockey. (get paired with free agent signing milan lucic
playing alongside them and making sure no one takes liberties).
the final season tallies look like this:
- lucic with 30 goals and 30 assists
- nylander with 25 goals and 45 assists
if we win the draft lottery, it will mark the single best day in my life for leaf moments. and i'm nearly 45 years old!
@mcloki @Bring the Cup Home
yeah. for another whole year. no need at all to bring them up and be part of next year's tank. next year is our year to be like the sabres of this year once we trade some of kessel, phaneuf, lupul, bozak.....
so let's let the good kids stay on the marlies and hopefully have a great year down there.
nylander off to a great start for an 18-year old in his first half season in the NHL. 16 points in his first 21 games. i'd love to see both him and brown at or near a PPG average next season and end up each with 60 - 70 points and be in the top 20 in the league in points. with one of them in the top 5 and in race for scoring title. that's be nice to see.
i'd take their 2016 1st rounder and call it a day for sure.
with all the losing they've been doing there is a chance that pick could jump from 30th into the low 20's if they keep losing.
with every loss another day closer to the draft, it's starting to get more interesting. with shannahan in charge i feel that for the first time in my lifetime the leafs are at least going to try and build through the draft. i'm excited. trading kessel, phaneuf, lupul, bozak for futures will be cool. it's gonna be fun to see what happens over the summer as we lay down a whole bunch of foundation pieces and stocking of 2016 draft picks, etc. our prospect pool in 2 - 3 years time should be out of control.
@full blast and top down
add gauthier and verhaeghe and valiev to marlies next year right? those three could have a nice impact or at least one or two of them hopefully will.
@B_Leaf @Bring the Cup Home
3 more years? you're insane. he'll be in the AHL for one more season maximum. I just hope mgmt keeps him down there the whole season next year. after that, he'll be an nhl'er for sure.
agree. strome and matthews are pretty huge additions to our group when looking at that list. i'd also throw in role players like Percy, Loov or Granberg, Leivo, etc. that i think will develop into good bottom six types.
nylander is nearly a full year younger than carter verhaeghe. crazy.
i can't believe nylander is still 18 years old. he's been playing pro hockey against men forever it feels like. not 19 until may. wow. i hope he plays the full season with the marlies next year. i'd like to see the marlies ice a super solid team next year and breed some winning down there while the big club gets filled with short term veteran contracts and some of the younger guys like rielly, kadri, JVR, etc. developing along, all while ending up with austen matthews in the 2016 draft (along with two other first round picks and 3 more 2nd round picks for the trades of phaneuf, kessel, lupul et al).
then in 2017 things start to get a little more interesting as nylander comes up at age 20 and wins rookie of the year.
pillars of the earth.
2 weeks, 5 days ago on GDT: Game #69, Toronto Maple Leafs at Calgary Flames (8 p.m., SN)
there's only three things worth watching for the next month:
- the leafs place in the standings. i want 4th last.
- the draft lottery
- the preds position. their pick could go from what looked like a 30th or 29th to perhaps a 22nd or 23rd. could be a big difference there.
2 weeks, 5 days ago on The 25 Controversies (And Counting) Involving The Toronto Maple Leafs & Toronto Media This Season
@HHT @TheColborneUltimatum @Bring the Cup Home
i'm just not so sure i want phil to be the veteran teaching our young guys how to play/win. i'd prefer to get him out of the picture even though his skill would compliment mcdavid wonderfully, as like HHT i think we need someone else's stamp on this team.
we'd have no problems attracting UFA wingers to play along side McDavid and rack up their point totals.
3 weeks, 5 days ago on Game 65 Scoring Chances: Lightning 4 vs. Maple Leafs 2
i feel posting my dream scenario a few times on here makes it more likely to come true. first off, it looks like we will get a pretty exciting prospect at the draft table this year, based on this very recent article:
but....what if we dare to dream and we end up winning the lottery (possible) and then decide to trade phil kessel on the draft floor (also possible). what if the columbus blue jackets are the ones that feel adding phil kessel is right for them, and are willing to part with their first round pick. what if that pick was 6th overall, and what if dylan strome was sitting there, available.
so now it's an hour and a half into the draft and we got mcdavid and strome. i'd imagine like me, many of you are now drinking/dancing in the streets.
we still have nashville's first and let's say that ends up being 26th overall. chance to add a solid piece there too.
we'd still have more from the phil deal too, and we'd also still be trading lupul, phaneuf, bozak and get a ton of 2016 picks for those guys i say.
that sure would be a good day.
@TheColborneUltimatum @Bring the Cup Home @Jademan11 @mcloki
i'm thinking strome and nylander could make a pretty dynamic duo in a few years time.
exactly. and we are due to have some f'n luck come our way and get the one out of five like so many others did. there's always one or two guys that go 5th - 10th that end up amazing. there's always one or two from picks 10 - 30 that also end up superstars. we need a turn of luck and we are overdue.
and anaheim got getzlaf and perry in the same draft.
we need some of this type of luck.
mcdavid and a late first round gem with nashville's pick this year could be our story.
@mcloki @Bring the Cup Home @Jmessih
oh hell yes. if we win the lottery this year, EVERYTHING is different. EVERYTHING. would be the biggest single moment in leaf history since douggie's behind the net goal on cujo.
@TheColborneUltimatum @Jademan11 @mcloki
i'd keep robidas for his whole contract for this purpose. i've heard he's a good mentor for the young guys. i'd keep polak until the deadline and then we're gonna have to trade him for a pick.
and yeah, i'd bring in a couple of veterans that will hopefully instill some good traits in our developing guys. i'd also hope for a draft pick to yield a TRUE leader in the next year or two (a la crosby and toews) that grabs the bull by the horns and takes over this team.
how did chicago and pitt do it?
there's a big difference between wanting to play with them before getting here, and wanting to play with them after several years of being here.
it can't continue into next season. it's why dion, phil, bozak, lupul and kessel all need to go this summer in my opinion. just go crazy on stocking up a ton of draft picks and prospects for that 'muskoka five' and sign some character veteran guys (keep polak till the deadline and keep robidas for his full deal - bring in some character guys to help the young guys learn).
but to think of trading all five of those names this summer for nothing but futures, we'd end up with a shitload of futures. imagine having:
- 3 X 1st round picks this year. (with ours in the top 5)
- 3 X 1st round picks next year (with ours in the top 2). 3 X 2nd round picks next year. 3 X 3rd round picks next year.
- two young can't miss prospects.
the season of 2020 is where we pull our own version of what the islanders are doing this year.
unless we get mcdavid. then it's 2018.
3 weeks, 6 days ago on GDT: Game #65, Toronto Maple Leafs at Tampa Bay Lightning (7:30 p.m., SNO)
to that i say great. keep mailing it in the rest of the year and get us in 4th last for cryin' out loud.
i'd like to see the kings get bounced early this year, find out they lose voynov forever, and trade their following year's first pick and a prospect for dion. prospect like:
4 weeks ago on Maple Leaf Hangout Season 2 Episode 3
quick poll. where's the breaking point in this year's draft? by that i mean the point where you think a pick's chances of being an impact player dramatically reduce. until today, i was thinking after top 4 of mcdavid, eichel, hanafin and strome but now i'm thinking marner should be in that group and so as long as the leafs pick in the top 5 i'll be pretty excited. what about you? where do you see this deep draft dropping off from great to good.
(Note: The top two are potentially generational so there is an obvious drop after them)
4 weeks, 1 day ago on Phil Kessel, Kyle Dubas speak out on media treatment in Toronto
as much as i don't think dion is captain material and i want to see him moved out for start of a new core (phil, bozak and lupul too) i do think phil is 100% right. the media in this town is a joke. and it's no coincidence that, since the dawn of the twitter age, the leafs have been nowhere near competitive. they have to overpay players to come here and when they do come here, the media just destroys their joy of the game and does not allow for any slumps to be worked out in their own time. us fans are partially to blame as well, but the media here is just abhorrent.