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leafs suck. marlies are sucking. there's not much hope in leafland these days. dion and phil as our top 2 guys and the leaders of this team will never amount to winning much of anything.
4 hours, 41 minutes ago on Game Day: Game #8, Boston Bruins at Toronto Maple Leafs (7 p.m., CBC)
@Ze_theLeafsFan @Bring the Cup Home
having players that win those awards certainly doesn't hurt your chances at winning a cup.
having a goalie coming off a vezina season would be exciting to be heading into the playoffs with....
13 hours, 55 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: Chara out 4-6 weeks, Leafs play Boston Saturday
maybe we get nylander with calder and beriner with vezina in the same season in 2016/2017.
13 hours, 59 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: Chara out 4-6 weeks, Leafs play Boston Saturday
@Bruffins @Bring the Cup Home
yeah, if nylander plays this whole year in sweden and then plays ALL of next year with the marlies, he could definitely come in and challenge for Calder in 2016/2017.
14 hours, 5 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: Chara out 4-6 weeks, Leafs play Boston Saturday
question.....do you think that any current leaf (including prospects) will win one of the 3 major individual awards in at any time in their career? i think that we don't have a hart winner in our ranks, but rielly could win a norris one day and bernier could win a vezina one day.
14 hours, 8 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: Chara out 4-6 weeks, Leafs play Boston Saturday
@Ze_theLeafsFan @Bring the Cup Home @Knights2Leafs @gjdevlin
agree. it would just be so nice for the leafs to catch a BIG break one day and grab a guy that surprises everyone and is a perennial norris or hart candidate like karlsson, corey perry or claude giroux at 15th - 25th overall. just once i'd love to see that. hell, we don't have ANY norris or hart candidates and we have many guys drafted in the top 7. (kadri, rielly, JVR, kessel, Dion)
14 hours, 12 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: Chara out 4-6 weeks, Leafs play Boston Saturday
@Ze_theLeafsFan @Knights2Leafs @gjdevlin
leafs took luke schenn while ottawa nabbed erik kalsson 10 picks later at number 15. wow.
we did it with tukka rask as our 21st pick in 2005 but fucked that up. same year anze kopitar goes 11th and the kings grab a franchise player all the way back at #11.
perhaps the best example is 2003 where you had:
- ryan suter at 7th overall. same spot as kadri ended up in his year.
- jeff carter at 11th overall.
- brent seabrook at 14th.
- zack parise at 17th
- ryan f'n getzlaf at 19th.
- ryan kesler at 23rd.
- mike richards at 24th.
- corey perry at 28th - almost falling to 2nd round pick.
- and then shea weber way down at 49th overall.
wow. what a year that was. and there pittsburgh passed on all of the above and went with fleury who's been one of the big reasons they haven't won more cups.
goes to show though that if you get lucky and have a good developmental system you don't always need a top 3 pick to change your team in a big way. it's just that the top 3 picks are far more of a sure bet.
14 hours, 26 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: Chara out 4-6 weeks, Leafs play Boston Saturday
think of the year earlier and all the teams that passed on claude giroux. happens every year. i just wish we lucked out for once in our lives and the leafs grabbed a superstar by picking mid to late first round. giroux fell all the way down to 22nd, and the following players went ahead of him:
- peter mueller
- james shepperd
- jiri tlusty (imagine if that pick had of been giroux)
- ty wishart
- mark mitera
- david fisher
- bob sanguinetti
- bernier (for interests sake)
But man, why can't the leafs ever luck out with someone like that. maybe connor brown will prove to be that late pick gem that turns into an allstar. or maybe percy will prove over time to be one of the best drafts in that first round that year.
14 hours, 36 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: Chara out 4-6 weeks, Leafs play Boston Saturday
@peterbleafs @Bring the Cup Home
i agree with you but also do think that it may be possible to be a top 5 team in the east sooner than that. if we go for a rebuild it'll be more than 3 years till we're good. depending on whether we can luck out and have either or all of nylander, percy, leivo, rielly and finn all be impact players to some degree we could really improve internally over the next year. by early in the new year i think we have to pick a path though and go one way or the other. i just hate being in between and grabbing 8th - 10th overall every year.
16 hours, 38 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: Chara out 4-6 weeks, Leafs play Boston Saturday
good point. and out of detroit's late round picks there's a difference between guys who 'play' 100 games and guys like zetterberg and datsyk who became superstars. they got a little lucky there but man oh man what unreal picks so late in the draft.
16 hours, 45 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: Chara out 4-6 weeks, Leafs play Boston Saturday
JVR - Bozak - Kessel
Lupul - Kadri - Eberle
Leo - Santo - Clarkson
Winnik - Holland - Booth/Pannik/Ashton
i like that entire lineup really. the only concern, and it's big is whether kadri and eberle could ever learn to play both ends of the rink.
16 hours, 47 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: Chara out 4-6 weeks, Leafs play Boston Saturday
i think a trade that makes sense in many ways is:
Gardiner (or Franson) and Reimer to Edmonton for Eberle and and a backup goalie. Or just franson and reimer for Eberle would be nice but doubt it would get the deal done.
16 hours, 48 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: Chara out 4-6 weeks, Leafs play Boston Saturday
you think we'd get a first rounder and a good prospect for phaneuf? i'm not so sure. kessel i agree with you about though. he could get a 1st and 2nd rounder himself if we wanted. i do think we might be able to fight for a playoff spot this year though.
the actual trade i would make is gardiner and reimer (hopefully reimer plays well for the next two months) for a real good forward and a backup goalie. i'd do that either just before or just after Xmas.
16 hours, 50 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: Chara out 4-6 weeks, Leafs play Boston Saturday
love knowing that those two guys are quietly developing their game over there this year. nylander maybe makes the jump right to the leafs next year or give them both a year on the marlies and then bring nylander up for sure and see where johnson is. hell, johnson could spend another full season in sweden if you ask me and it won't hurt him.
16 hours, 55 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: Chara out 4-6 weeks, Leafs play Boston Saturday
the leafs haven't won a game kessel hasn't scored in yet, so i bet if we got rid of those two we'd finish bottom 6 and enter the lottery. that said, i am totally joking. i think by game 25 we may end up pleasantly surprised at where we are. we are 3-1-1 in our last five games and half of us (myself included) at times think the sky is falling.
16 hours, 56 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: Chara out 4-6 weeks, Leafs play Boston Saturday
phaneuf and kessel to burke in calgary for their first and second round draft picks. straight up. do you do it?
silly idea i know that would never ever happen but would you do that to go in a completely different direction and get their $100M cap hit off our future?
16 hours, 59 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: Chara out 4-6 weeks, Leafs play Boston Saturday
glad chewbacca isn't in the bruins lineup tonight. hopefully phil has a big night without him being there shadow him.....
17 hours, 24 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: Chara out 4-6 weeks, Leafs play Boston Saturday
@dlb Mad @Mcost61
thing is....phil and JVR still score at a torrid pace with bozak. although i agree he's not ideal and we could do (much) better there, i think we'd get more overall impact out of getting an offensive young winger to play on the 2nd line in place of winnik. no matter what center we get to play with phil and JVR their line will ultimate still have hot and cold nights.....win some games on their own, and be non existant other nights. adding a top flight talent to the lupul/kadri line would mean that we'd have a far better chance of THAT line picking up the slack when the kessel line is off.
plus....we'd get to add winnik to the 4th line which would almost by itself allow that line to play a good 8 minutes of responsible hockey a night.
1 day, 19 hours ago on Thursday Mashup: Bruins Saturday
here's a thought......say gardiner gets on track and finds the scoresheet a bunch over the next couple of months and reimer gets into the net 10 or more times and plays real well. i'd seriously look at packaging them together around XMas and see what we could get in return. It'd be $6.35M in cap space going out so if we got a $5M young forward and a $1.3M backup goalie in return i'd love to see the lineup we could ice. something like:
Lupul - Kadri - $5M imported young forward similar in skill to Jake
Winnik - Holland - Booth/Pannik/Frattin/Ashton
Phaneuf - Franson
Rielly - Robida
Percy - Polak
$1.3M backup import
@Mind Bomb @peterbleafs @B_Leaf @traNsplantEdneWfie
agree. i'd love to know what we could get for gardiner + reimer. if gardiner can find some form and start putting points up and reimer playes well in 10 or so starts over the next couple of months they could bring a hefty return in a trade with a team that's strength is forward and needs help on D and in net. also frees up $6.35M of cap space so if we could bring a $5M a year young center/winger and a $1.3M backup goalie that'd be a VERY interesting look we could ice.
1 day, 20 hours ago on Thursday Mashup: Bruins Saturday
the bigger they are the harder (and faster) they fall. i bet he's never the same again after this. if he ends up needing surgery he'll be out until the all star break.
i am betting there is ZERO doubt that he gets the start.
i liked how randy rotated wingers into that extra shift. he might be onto something there.
@Cameron19 @MaxwellHowe @peterbleafs @Burtonboy
i guess that's why they are murdering westerners and mailing the video into CNN......
yeah, if a team like ours starts taking a team like Boston lightly we're in deep shit in so many ways.
@Tim Horton @Jmessih
i hate when people call him streaky. to me streaky is someone who goes LONG stretches of dry spells. not a few games here and there. when looking at the total points over several years you should take the streaky title off someone and phil has proven to be VERY consistent in his PPG totals over long term, and it doesn't all come in a month of two of the season.
2 days, 6 hours ago on Thursday Mashup: Bruins Saturday
definitely looking like we gave up on him too early. ah well. i don't think he'll ever be a difference maker. not the end of the world but yeah it sucks. we could use him about now.
@Bon Scott was a Leaf fan @Bring the Cup Home @Dogger
he'll win a hart trophy one day.
agree. i wasn't saying the pens are favorites to win a cup this year or anything either. just that all 3 of those guys could have another 10 years in the game.
2 days, 7 hours ago on Thursday Mashup: Bruins Saturday
@T K O @Zep2
i guess the two are crosby and malkin from the same year.
they're not that old just yet to write off any more cups for any of those 3.
@BPsotka @Bring the Cup Home @HHT @NinetyThree
maybe we could get burke to trade us their 1st pick for phaneuf and kessel. we'd get two top 5 picks as we'd then tank. haha
they just won't do it this year. and times were different then. i'm curious when the last time a top 2 draft pick was moved. was it the kessel deal?
sadly, this looks like it could be about where we land, yet again finishing as 'tweeners (between the playoffs and a team changing draft pick).
2 days, 8 hours ago on Thursday Mashup: Bruins Saturday
steve nash out for the year for the lakers. isn't it called 'retirement'????? i mean, come on.......
nobody's trading a top 5 pick. if they think they MIGHT be in the top 5 in the draft, they ain't trading it. no GM wants to be the guy who traded away what became mcdavid or eichel. only the leafs do that.
mcdavid. hands down.
tavares/hedman is looking pretty damn fine about now as well.
tyler/taylor was the best 1/2 punch recently in my opinion. they'll both be around for a long time putting up big numbers.
surprised to see the 2nd leading the way.
2 days, 10 hours ago on Thursday Mashup: Bruins Saturday
or we wait for nylander or leivo to fill that role, since one of those two will be capable as 2ns line winger within a couple of years at most.
the more i think about it, the more a very good 2nd line winger is what we need most. sure bozak isn't a 1C, but that line is already pretty damn good and even with a better center will have off nights where they don't score. our problem isn't kessel, as he will score his 35 - 40 goals this year. or JVR, who will score his 30 - 35 goals this year (maybe more).....WITH bozak.
the problem is when that line doesn't score. winnik is great at puck control and has fit in nicely playing 2nd line, but if we put a more offensive player with kadri and lupul suddenly we have two lines that would be pretty deadly and the chances of both having an off night gets reduced by a bunch.
on top of that, we'd be able to move winnik down to the 4th line so that he could be the anchor of that line and ensure they can play a GOOD 8 minutes a night.
for these reasons, i'd move jake gardiner for a player like him, but a winger. young guy under 25 who is about $4M per year and locked up for a while. ideally someone that is defensively responsible but assuming he'd be willing to learn that a little, perhaps gardiner for eberle makes a lot of sense. and if not eberle who else fits that need that may be available? i'd give the world for it to be taylor hall but i'd assume he's untouchable (i'd go gardiner + reimer + leivo but it'd maybe take more).
Winnik - Holland - Pannik/Booth/Ashton/Frattin
Dion - Franson
Rielly - Robidas
reimer and percy.
or gardiner straight up.
i'd maybe do the gardiner deal but wouldn't do the reimer and percy deal.
noooooooooooooo to yakupov.
@steele123 @Bring the Cup Home @HHT
of course shanny would be interested. so would half the teams in the league. all i'm saying is that i think he stays put in detroit. i'd peg it at 90% that he re-signs there. i'd love nothing more than us to come through on the longshot though!!
@Forever17 @Cameron19 @loomx
no way we'd get couturier for gardiner straight up.
and no way we get ROR for that package. unless they REALLY value finn.
and i also think it's a bit of an overpayment for Staal there.
i think he tops out at 3rd line. i honestly think he ends up being a VERY good 4th line center. not one that plays 3 - 5 minutes a night but a super dependable shtudown 4th line center that plays 8 - 11 minutes a night and kills penalties.
less than a 10% chance we get babcock.
and they won't be bottom 5 this year in my opinion.
2 days, 14 hours ago on Thursday Mashup: Bruins Saturday
no way in hell any team with a shot at McDavid trades their number 1 pick this year. with eichel as a consolation prize, there is no way any team that projects to be bottom 5 in the league will trade that pick.