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@RandomScrub @The_Polish_Cannon @DJBrianBurke @Xxxxxnew yeah no doubt that's probably his goal. Is it really worth it to create so much bad blood between the organization and its star. My guess is Subban is not going to forget this treatment, and is going to jump ship to a team he feels wanted on
1 hour, 1 minute ago on Friday Mashup: We’re Gonna Need a Montage
@RandomScrub @The_Polish_Cannon @DJBrianBurke @Xxxxxnew yep. Bergevin is playing hardball but at the cost of alienating his star player. Yet he pays 4th liners 2M and didn't hesitate throwing money to Emelin. He's playing hardball with the wrong players
1 hour, 7 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: We’re Gonna Need a Montage
@DJBrianBurke @The_Polish_Cannon @RandomScrub @Xxxxxnew he'll be an RFA at the end of his 1 year deal awarded by arbitration though right?
1 hour, 9 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: We’re Gonna Need a Montage
@RandomScrub @Xxxxxnew every other team in the league would jump at the opportunity to lock subban up with an 8 year deal. It must feel extremely shitty that his own organization, that he's worked so hard for, doesn't appreciate his efforts and value
1 hour, 32 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: We’re Gonna Need a Montage
@RandomScrub @Xxxxxnew it's worse than nickel and diming him. Bergevin is flat out robbing him. Subban wanted a long term deal 2 years ago, but gave in to bergevin's bridge deal for half his market value in order for Subban to prove what he can do. Well he went on to win a Norris, join the Olympic team and lead his team into the playoffs. Now Subban, after losing millions he should have had in the first deal, is being robbed again.
1 hour, 36 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: We’re Gonna Need a Montage
@Burtonboy in 2 years Nylander will be 1C and Rielly will be accepting the Norris trophy for the second year in a row
7 hours, 25 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: We’re Gonna Need a Montage
@TML it would be funny to witness Habs fans pulling a 180 and defending Dion after years of senseless chirping. According to every Habs fan I know, Dion is the worst defender in the league
7 hours, 53 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: We’re Gonna Need a Montage
@Jmessih apparently both side agreed to a 1 year deal from arbitration
7 hours, 56 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: We’re Gonna Need a Montage
@Cameron19 @The_Polish_Cannon @hoolihan @vinoa it's unfortunate that his embarrassing argument has gotten buried at the bottom of the thread
7 hours, 57 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: We’re Gonna Need a Montage
@Cameron19 @hoolihan @vinoa "How many playoff games did he lead the Leafs into?" how many playoff games has Tavares led the islanders into? I guess Tavares is a worthless sack of shit than eh can't even win his team the cup on his own
8 hours, 2 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: We’re Gonna Need a Montage
@hoolihan @The_Polish_Cannon @Greg Fenton @loomx anyone who doesn't see how valuable Phaneuf is as a defence man is just plain ignorant.
Pushing out the team's best all round D-man to make room for an offensive minded D-man with a massive contract is poor cap management. The organization has been making a concentrated effort to draft mobile puck moving defensemen for the past few years. Rielly, Gardiner, Finn, Percy. If Rielly hits his full potential he can very well be a Norris caliber D-man
8 hours, 56 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: We’re Gonna Need a Montage
@Greg Fenton @loomx I wouldn't say Subban pushes Phaneuf out. Subban isn't even trusted to kill penalties
9 hours, 1 minute ago on Friday Mashup: We’re Gonna Need a Montage
@loomx he's even ruining potential line combinations by holding up a roster spot from these 1M dollar depth signings
9 hours, 4 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: We’re Gonna Need a Montage
@Alec Brownscombe and too top it all off he takes a hometown discount to play here
9 hours, 9 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: We’re Gonna Need a Montage
@loomx Subban wanted to sign with term before and forced him to accept a bridge contract and it absolutely blew up in their face. Now they're making even worse. How could they throw money at Emelin without hesitation and dick around their star player. Both sides now want a 1 year deal, MTL has no choice but to trade Subban at the deadline now or risk having him leave without returns
9 hours, 10 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: We’re Gonna Need a Montage
@loomx zero hesitation in clicking that link
9 hours, 18 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: We’re Gonna Need a Montage
@Mcost61 last year Subban will be a a Hab
9 hours, 29 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: We’re Gonna Need a Montage
@loomx @Cameron19 @Jordan29 Kadri will likely get 6 M with a 55-60 pt year. It is fun to pretend there's no salary cap
9 hours, 48 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: We’re Gonna Need a Montage
@Cameron19 @The_Polish_Cannon @Jordan29 hmm perhaps Bergevin may be confident Subban gets awarded a cap hit equivalent to Karlsson then
10 hours, 4 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: We’re Gonna Need a Montage
@Cameron19 @Jordan29 karlsson got that contract two years ago. Does arbitration take inflation with rising cap into account? It will likely be around 7 like fenton said
10 hours, 10 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: We’re Gonna Need a Montage
@ingy56 @wiski lager & ale, great tune !
10 hours, 32 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: We’re Gonna Need a Montage
this will likely be the most salary awarded by arbitration. Has there been any other high profile arbitration cases? Nothing comes to mind
10 hours, 43 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: We’re Gonna Need a Montage
@Greg Fenton @BlueSmoke @Jordan29 i don't know why we're talking about putting forwards to QB the PP when we have Rielly and Gardiner. Near the end of the season Gardiner and Phaneuf were paired a couple times on the PP and it looked great, not sure why the coaching staff never stuck with that
12 hours, 48 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: We’re Gonna Need a Montage
@hoolihan @deedrag @The_Polish_Cannon that saying doesn't apply here... save it for when people are talking about playoff runs
12 hours, 52 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: We’re Gonna Need a Montage
@deedrag I want to see a Lupul - Holland - Kessel line get experimented with in camp
12 hours, 55 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: We’re Gonna Need a Montage
@Jordan29 @The_Polish_Cannon @Cameron19 @Burtonboy there's nothing elite about him. He flourished in a third line role behind Crosby and Malkin, and dropped off ever since leaving. It'd be worth it if they took Clarkson in the trade
13 hours, 3 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: We’re Gonna Need a Montage
@Cameron19 @Burtonboy with 9 years left on his contract?! Count me out.
13 hours, 7 minutes ago on Friday Mashup: We’re Gonna Need a Montage
@CanuckUKinToronto @Mattmark florida's power play was brutal, they really need a right handed PP specialist. Kulikov has been rumoured to be on the trade block, he's been playing top 4 and getting second most ice time of all D-men on florida.
Rielly - Phaneuf
Gardiner - Robidas
Kulikov - Polak
(Nevermind I forgot Ekblad is a right handed shot. Doubt they would ever trade away Kulikov for a package involving Franson.)
16 hours ago on Friday Mashup: We’re Gonna Need a Montage
@CanuckUKinToronto @The_Polish_Cannon @B_Leaf oh okay sorry, re-reading b_leafs' post I see what you were replying to now
1 day, 8 hours ago on Jake Gardiner talks contract with Greg Brady
@CanuckUKinToronto @B_Leaf not all 1C's are drafted with a lottery pick. It takes a lot of luck and patience to get that 1C
@B_Leaf you're talking about the hardest position in the league to address. I think there's only 2 teams in the league that has a 1C that they didn't draft themselves. All you can do is address the areas you can, keep drafting and developing hoping that a player within the organization can rise up, continue to acquire enough assets until you can eventually put together a deal without crippling the organization (few teams ever trade a 1c), or wait till free agency (which you can't rely on because teams rarely , if ever, let star 1C's go to FA.
So the only option really is for management to address the weaknesses it can, and continue to draft. Bozak may not be an ideal 1C, but the top line wasn't the team's problems last year with an elite winger like Kessel who controls the play of the line. Management has balanced out the back end with more right handed D and experience and completely revamped the bottom 6.
Also I feel you shouldn't ignore Holland to add to your narrative. He is by all accounts an NHL centerman capable of 2C-3C.
@vinoa @Greg Fenton than you got depth guys like Bickell, Saad and Bolland that were instrumental for Chicago in the playoffs. It's like the saying goes, Bottom 6s win championships.
Both teams normally do a good job of shutting down each others star players in the playoffs. That's why a guy like Brandon Saad can score 16 PTS in 19 playoff games
@colino17 @TheCanucksnaphook a few years ago? Wasn't this past season the first time he's been up with the leafs? Season before he was still in the OHL, joined the Marlies for their playoff run
1 day, 13 hours ago on Jake Gardiner talks contract with Greg Brady
@mr_hanie @Burtonboy It was Hakan Andersson that scouted and pushed for those late round selections
Cody Franson has been the best #Leafs defender overall for the past 4 years... and it's not a close contest.
I had to repost it because of how stupid this was. How does PPP expect to get any credibility when guys like this write for them
1 day, 14 hours ago on Jake Gardiner talks contract with Greg Brady
@Burtonboy @Loric76 @Mcost61 he sure did seem to take their firings personally
2 days, 5 hours ago on Jake Gardiner Signs for 5 years, $20.25 million
@Burtonboy @Loric76 what do you expect from a guy who calls himself "DamoSpin"
@Burtonboy “Steve Spott called a week or two ago, just checked in and introduced himself,” said Gardiner
Spott sounds like an awesome player's coach
@wiski @goodsteww what was the exact quote again? He said something along the lines of he was surprised who a player compared himself to. I remember he never said any names but everyone thought it was Gardiner. Perhaps it was franson or something?
2 days, 9 hours ago on Jake Gardiner Signs for 5 years, $20.25 million
@FRyan but I agree. I hope MTL keeps treating their players like this though. It's going to create a lot of animosity and will make sure MTL is not a desired location for other players
2 days, 10 hours ago on Jake Gardiner Signs for 5 years, $20.25 million
@Bruffins ohh man that's gotta hurt! There's lots of strategy to poker, bluffing, reading people, playing the percentages of your hand. But at the end of the day it's still boils down to old fashion luck, and that man did not have any there. That's a bad beat
@FRyan "He's the pillar of THIS organization" ??? I think you're on the wrong blogsite
@Yaknowwhat @The_Polish_Cannon they're trying to form a competitive team while not sacrificing the long term sustainability of the franchise. By bringing in experienced players on short 1 year deals to act as placeholders/mentors to young players while driving competition within the organization for roster spots.
2 days, 12 hours ago on Jake Gardiner Signs for 5 years, $20.25 million
@Yaknowwhat The core still has many years ahead of them. And if in 2 years the team is still struggling they can trade off players like Kessel and Phaneuf for 1st rounders, prospects and continue to stock the cupboards and the focus will shift to building around Nylander, Kadri, Rielly, Gardiner, Leivo, etc, with a steady flow of development coming up behind them. If the team makes knee jerk reactions and trades 1st round picks and prospects to try and win now, they risk disrupting the flow of development. If the team still crashes and burns now you have a big gap in the prospect pool below the players that are currently being developed and then we end up in the same spot we're in now. Some good pieces but nothing to surround them with
@Yaknowwhat @The_Polish_Cannon @colino17 what? No where you getting this from? I'm saying keep the 1st rounder and keep developing depth. We'll get our own star players that we can utilize on cheap contracts. If there's anyone the team should be trading first rounders for it's a young bonafied 1C. Rielly can turn out better than Subban, and we've got Gardiner, Finn, Percy in the system.
2 days, 13 hours ago on Jake Gardiner Signs for 5 years, $20.25 million
@Yaknowwhat @The_Polish_Cannon @colino17 you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
Look where Getzlaf and Perry were drafted. 2015 draft is said to almost rival the 2003 draft.
@Yaknowwhat @The_Polish_Cannon @colino17 that all star Norris trophy winning defensemen was drafted in the 2nd round...
@colino17 @Yaknowwhat the team would regret not being involved in the 2015 draft. The organization still needs to be drafting and developing
@dlb Mad @The_Polish_Cannon true it was a combo of bad goaltending and bad D system, but Giguere also criticized the defensive systems here after he left the team. He was asked about the Ron Wilson firing and he said, maybe the goalies will actually stand a chance now. Little did he know how much worse the D would get under Carlyle.
@Jordan29 Beauchemin, who struggled like all defensmen in this shitty system than returned to form when traded back to Anaheim?