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@Gilbey93 @ingy56 

Are you kidding me - really.

Brown has had a slower season thats because he can do two jobs. He has been giving minutes away to Toffoli and Gaborik and a fit Williams amongst others.

He has offered depth and when the Gaborik situation is sorted out stay or go, Williams retires or is moved and Toffoli moved up the Brown gets more time. Complaints from the C - not at all. Back to his best next year - almost certainly.

Clarkson on the other hand was a player that has played years in one team so learned chemistry with bit part losers like Zubrus and Zajac and given 24 minutes a night on the first line after Parise jumped ship and Elias was injured. The Leafs go hurr durr 60 point manwho can fight, lets give him 5 million plus and then chuck him on the 2nd or 3rd lines with an underacchieving saviour (Kadri) or no bodies.

There is no similarities between Brown and Clarkson.

1 day, 7 hours ago on Morning Mashup

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@~Keon  

Oh no worries, i thought those in the MLHS fantasy hockey leagues used their aliases on here on the fantasy leagues. Someone else using the great Dave Keons name. Hes also called Dave in real life. sorry my friend just naturally thought it was you - no worries


2 days, 5 hours ago on Frederik Gauthier joins Marlies, Andreas Johnson gets SHL rookie of the year recognition

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@~Keon  

Dave what do you make of the Kuznetsov issue, you have him in the ESPN league. Should he be a youth keeper option or not.

2 days, 5 hours ago on Frederik Gauthier joins Marlies, Andreas Johnson gets SHL rookie of the year recognition

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@.JVR. @Zeus_WilliamMapleLeafs 

It all depends if you can get any info on whether the KHL is listed as a MAJOR professional league. Im starting to wonder now whether the SHL counts as a major professional league as the rule does state european leagues as major professional leagues and besides the KHL and SHL what the hell else is there?

I think it would be a shame if you adopt the Calder trophy rule straight out. Maybe it should be Calder trophy rules BUT the only major professional league recognised should be the NHL.

After all I think the idea of the youth keeper position was to widen the depth of knowledge of up and coming stars and give a sense of building from within rather than just being a trade or drafting guru. Not specifically who would win the Calder.

2 days, 5 hours ago on Frederik Gauthier joins Marlies, Andreas Johnson gets SHL rookie of the year recognition

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@MaxwellHowe

There's a concussion suit?

Wont mess up my DA will it.?

3 days, 10 hours ago on Toronto Marlies to face Milwaukee Admirals in Round 1

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@TheGroobster

There's a world cup?

3 days, 10 hours ago on Toronto Marlies to face Milwaukee Admirals in Round 1

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@ingy56  

Did he header it in.

Thats what Im on about, tough men back then not these modern day cowards with visors, helmets and studed arm pads.

Back in my day, yeah back in my day. What was it now. What was I saying? Yeah thats it.

Did he header it in?

Thats what Im on about, tough men back then not these modern day cowards with visors, helmets and studed arm pads.

Back in my day, yeah back in my day. What was it now. What was I saying? Yeah thats it.

Did he header it in?

Thats what Im on about, tough men back then not these modern day cowards with visors, helmets and studed arm pads.

Back in my day, yeah back in my day. What was it now. What was I saying? Yeah thats it.

Did he header it in?

Thats what Im on about, tough men back then not these modern day cowards with visors, helmets and studed arm pads.

Back in my day, yeah back in my day. What was it now. What was I saying? Yeah thats it.

Did he header it in?

Thats what Im on about, ...........................................

3 days, 10 hours ago on Toronto Marlies to face Milwaukee Admirals in Round 1

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@Savo43  

D.Brown is the captain of LA, what makes you think they will dump their captain - who is successful.

Which goal tender is Reimer better than. Pavelec or Montoya (a former 1st round pick)

Elliot would leave StLouis as back up and be happy to leave a stanley cup contending team to back up last years back up LA goaltender in Toronto.

Value for value your deals are ok but you forgot the human element, the fact that players dont like to be taken the piss out of and humiliated. Not only is it bad for the player its also bad for the recieving team to get a player treated that way. Remember Jeff Carter in Columbus.

3 days, 13 hours ago on Toronto Marlies to face Milwaukee Admirals in Round 1

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@Jmessih @Belfour20/JB-45 

Good on you Phil - you wont get any hatred from me. Best player weve had for a very long time. Just hope we get team mates for you that dont in later years makeyou regret being here, as of this moment Burkie and Nonis have let you down somewhat.

4 days, 6 hours ago on Toronto Marlies to face Milwaukee Admirals in Round 1

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@Cameron19

Also funny with that face as your avatar - 1st round pick with a cheeky grin - lol

4 days, 6 hours ago on Toronto Marlies to face Milwaukee Admirals in Round 1

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@Cameron19

ouch, good luck with that then - lol 

4 days, 6 hours ago on Toronto Marlies to face Milwaukee Admirals in Round 1

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@Cameron19

Cam forget it.

Bennet will go top 2 this year and McDavid is 100% the top pick next year. 

4 days, 6 hours ago on Toronto Marlies to face Milwaukee Admirals in Round 1

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@Ze_theLeafsFan

i dont think that would be a good idea. Kessel is young and can handle a few years in the wilderness but Phaneuf isnt what he was made up to be. Phanny is a good good player but he has been given 25 odd mins a match and the captains C. To devalue that in any way isnt exactly a vote of confidence and will damage the standing between him and the Leafs - so trading him is the better option if thats whats being considered.

The team doesnt need a rebuild it needs a few top players in to compliment those that have been put together and to lead the way. Big players, in their prime, cost a few 1st rounders if needed to get us over the last bump in the road.

4 days, 6 hours ago on Toronto Marlies to face Milwaukee Admirals in Round 1

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@Cameron19  

Cam you said that you werent going forward with both Pietrangelo and Hedman in the ESPN whats the price for Pietrangelo? Sorry to ask on here my friend

4 days, 6 hours ago on Toronto Marlies to face Milwaukee Admirals in Round 1

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@Knights2Leafs

We will have to agree to disagree, if its good enough for everyone else including all the previous stanley cup champions then trading for players is good enough for me.

Sure bringing in youngsters is great but not all at once to make up 2 lines and leave a bunch of youngsters on defence and the top 6 to get no adequate on ice coaching and experience from experienced hands. How on earth is JVR going to develop as a player when he is already the best guy at the team in the job he does. How will Kessel learn more tricks if his only coaching is playing with himself during practice. How is Rielly and Gardiner going to be more defensively aware when they have no one to teach them. The reason why this team is garbage is because we believe exclusively in youth and getting value for money when that value is also expected from the other end of the trade.

Yeah sure youngster bring them in but there was very little on the Marlies that would have made such an impact last year that stopped a slide like that. That needed experienced players who dont allow such inconsistencies to take place - afterall they are where they are because they are consistent. This young team has proven that inconsistency is its failing and why our GM believes time will better that Ill never now, time is just the tool used to measure consistency not an aid to it.

4 days, 11 hours ago on Toronto Marlies to face Milwaukee Admirals in Round 1

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@CanuckUKinToronto

Everyone was one here saying it was fine Nonis stayed pat at the deadline and now we let Kule walk.

Wow, how will we ever be a team of note when we let players like Kule walk who was tradeable even last year and the year before but on here better than sliced bread. Blacker much the same and then traded for odds and ends.

I think we need a GM that has an f-ing clue. 

4 days, 11 hours ago on Toronto Marlies to face Milwaukee Admirals in Round 1

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@Zep2 @Zeus_WilliamMapleLeafs 

Not successful franchise in the respect of being a Pittsburgh, Boston or LA, but a team that can punch above their weight. I would be happy if we could compete in our own weight class -lol.

My point is we have drafted 5th 5th 7th and bought Kessel. So we have actually done very well with our picks. Kessel + JVR (from Schenn) + Rielly and Kadri from the past 6 years is a very good return - better than most teams and far better than Columbus.

Our issue is we cant pick up free agents because we refuse to spend, and we cant trade for players we need because to us keeping 2 bit part players who we rate as first liners, a 2nd round pick and a prospect who will no doubt walk in a years time anyway isnt worth a first line centerman or stay at home d-man BECAUSE its not value for money. The result is we miss play off hockey year after year and the experience it would give the youth and the honour and feel good factor afforded to players like Kessel Phaneuf and JVR is deemed worth the loss of very tradeable assets. So we have shown the hockey world that we are tight with our assets to the point of stupidity and we wont make a push for a bit of fun in the play offs unless we can trade with ateam that believes the hype we afford our players and over pay to make us look big. Would you want to play for a team with such ambition - I wouldntnt. Why when I have arguably a 15 year career would I want to jeopardise half of it to play in an organisation that thinks the GMs of the other 29 teams are mugs and here to give the Leafs a break. 

4 days, 11 hours ago on Toronto Marlies to face Milwaukee Admirals in Round 1

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@Zep2 @Zeus_WilliamMapleLeafs 

Whoever forces whos hand is neither here nor there. It shows that you can trade players and win on both sides.

Yes the collected Murray and Johanson but johanson the past few years has been as effective as early years Kadri and Murray is new to this year. Atkinson is a 6th rounder so that doesnt really count because that just fuels my argument for our scouts and GM being clueless as we drafted many a time before Atkinson was picked.

These youngsters may be the future but its apparent that Columbus has been on this path for the past two years, last year narrowly missing out in the play off picture in a far tougher league than ours. What they have been doing is following a decisive plan of action whereas our plan of action is quick fix through change of coaching staff, bringing new ideas to players who arent really all that good.

4 days, 11 hours ago on Toronto Marlies to face Milwaukee Admirals in Round 1

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@CanuckUKinToronto

If he thinks he can get 3.5 to 4million he must be vaping horse shit.

Far better goal tenders have been on far less, who are far better and without glaring, but not reversible, floors for far more years as they develop.

4 days, 12 hours ago on Toronto Marlies to face Milwaukee Admirals in Round 1

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@WendelGilmour

Im for one am very happy with the idea of aDetroit man coming in. I said a couple of months ago that all my time as a Leafs fan I still for the life of me cant see any style which the Toronto Maple Leafs, the worlds largest franchise, is famed for. It swaps and changes every time the fan base needs a scape goat for a year of crap. This year Carlyle, last year Burke, the year before Wilson, the year before Wilson and Burke but the board held strong, just wanted the pension puppets out. Year before that it was new after ousting JFJ and ousting Maurice, then Quinn. It just goes on and on and on.


Shanny I hope will give us some identity. GMs and coaches will be picked according to our style rather than have them change the style.

4 days, 12 hours ago on Toronto Marlies to face Milwaukee Admirals in Round 1

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@CanuckUKinToronto

I would have thought they carry on with the tandem. But if its Reims thats making the noises about wanting to go and the press jumping on "those rumours" then he must go, if hes already admitted defeat then hes not good enough here, simple as. I want a net battle.

4 days, 12 hours ago on Toronto Marlies to face Milwaukee Admirals in Round 1

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@Burtonboy

For me its keep the coach and ship out the GM.

Nonis isnt the man for the job, hes too quiet, completely uninspiring and little talent for the job in my eyes.

4 days, 12 hours ago on Toronto Marlies to face Milwaukee Admirals in Round 1

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@CanuckUKinToronto @Zeus_WilliamMapleLeafs 

This was really down to the fact I keep reading, article here article there about shipping Reims and having confidence in MacIntyre and Im just wondering how much of a history a player has to have before we all say hes up for the job. Im not in anyway impressed. Hes an AHL'er at best and like you said defeats the point of Marlies is to the Leafs - to develop talent.

4 days, 12 hours ago on Toronto Marlies to face Milwaukee Admirals in Round 1

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@WendelGilmour  

I am pissed, very pissed.

3 years ago they had Nash, Brassard, Broll, no one in goal, Huselius, Vermette.

3 years ago we had Kessel, Kadri, Lupul, etc etc etc.

They did stuff at the trade windows, we didnt do anything rather being all conservative and not be ripped off.

Now they have Bobrovsky, picks (form Gaborik), Dubinsky, Anisimov, Horton, Wisniewski, Johnson etc and some decent youngsters.

I havent mentioned Murray and Johanson and thats only because theyve only really been in production the last year. 

The difference they had the guts to trade Nash and Gaborik.

Here we havent got the guts to trade Kadri, Gardiner etc, who arent as good as Gaborik or Nash and when we do trade someone its a fringe player years after he was seen as a bright prospect and at his peak.

For fear we do another Rask or Boyes. You cannot fear making the same mistake they are independent of all future deals. You win some and you lose some and which order the wins or loses take is completely random, weve had the loses and now we stop?

4 days, 12 hours ago on Toronto Marlies to face Milwaukee Admirals in Round 1

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Can someone explain to me the love that MacIntyre is getting.

Yes hes been a steadying influence for the Marlies which is nice but he is 29 years old and shown very few flashes of elite level NHL goal tending. He jumped from team to team without cementing a job and to be honest 1 or 2 years ago NO ONE was mentioning his name. Why after a one year show is he all of a sudden good enough to take Riems job and challenge Bernier?

I think ill keep my head out of the clouds and shake it when Nonis joins the bandwagon and signs him for 3 odd years at 2.5 per.

4 days, 12 hours ago on Toronto Marlies to face Milwaukee Admirals in Round 1

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Looking at the 8th overalls they arent world beaters but what surprises me and surprised me at the beginning of the year is that no one gave Peter Mueller a trial and got him on the cheap. 2million per for 2 years is relatively inexpensive and a decent guy to have around. He hasnt done too badly over in switzerland as far as I saw just before the olympic break - not sure if anythings happened since.

1 week, 1 day ago on Morning Mashup: Drafting in the 8 spot

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@CanuckUKinToronto @Zeus_WilliamMapleLeafs 

No point throwing Franson under the bus when hes effectively already on it

1 week, 2 days ago on Randy Carlyle End of Season Presser

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@Bruffins @Jmessih 

Seeing as he is the only guy on our team with an above average face off ability trading him would be suicide.

Id trade Lupul, Kadri, Gardiner and many others before Bozak.

Bozak has face off ability, hard working, chemistry with Kessel, eats minutes, defensively aware and massively under rated all at a reasonable price.

1 week, 2 days ago on Randy Carlyle End of Season Presser

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@CanuckUKinToronto @Zeus_WilliamMapleLeafs 

Oh thats unfair. Gardiner was a disappointment ALL year, was there a stretch when he performed at all. 

Its also a case that some players earn their stripes and dont need public criticism to kick them up the ass. You dont coach all players the same. Some need an arm over the shoulder others need dressing room furniture going horizontal.

Gardiner needs a reality check

1 week, 2 days ago on Randy Carlyle End of Season Presser

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I think a bit off on here that people are digging at Carlyle for chucking Gardiner under the buss when he said earlier that it was always going to be difficult with two young d-men.

Fact of the matter is Gardiner played garbage this year and did not carry on the form or even close his play off form.

Should we throw players under the bus when they suck, yes we should. Time for these soft millionaires to earn their money instead of it being a privileged for being an NHL player

1 week, 2 days ago on Randy Carlyle End of Season Presser

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@Mcost61  

Despite my liking for tough no nonsense characters I do find Torts a complete pr!ck. Im not a fan.

1 week, 3 days ago on Brendan Shanahan Press Conference Stream

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@ProfessorRance  

Kick in the Phanny?

1 week, 3 days ago on Brendan Shanahan Press Conference Stream

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@Cameron19 @Zeus_WilliamMapleLeafs 

yeah but if youre talking compliments why dump Bozak and overpay for Staal. Bozzie compliments Kessel and JVR well.

But in my eyes Kessel JVR and Bozzie is the second line. We need a whole new top line with much better guys if we are going to go anywhere. Sure you can take the Boston route that seems like your aim there but is Kane and his dodgy attitude the right man for the job. I do like Brown, Ill give you that. I would like to cut our loses with Kadri though as I dont rate him one bit.

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@Cameron19  

Part of th eLeafs forever problems right there. If Jordan Staal was a first liner then why isnt he for Carolina. If hes not better than Eric Staal then why is he good enough for us. Im peeved off with second and third liners coming to Toronto and getting Crosby minutes. Sorry Cam with this team its much the same.

Of your top 6 Id give jobs to 2 and they are already here

1 week, 4 days ago on And that’s a wrap

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@Cameron19 @Zeus_WilliamMapleLeafs@Uncle Otis 

God we're in trouble -lol < have to laugh

1 week, 4 days ago on And that&#8217;s a wrap

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@Cameron19 @Uncle Otis 

Nonis messing up again. His face no doubt full of pie the fat git. Mind on the banquett after the match rather than all the going on needed before it

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@CanuckUKinToronto @Uncle Otis 

OMG youre not kidding. Those two were horrible and Im chosing my words in respect to daytime viewing and kids could be present. The odd man rushes against Riems were not a rarity and if it wasnt for Riemer it would have been 0-5m, shocking play, the worst Ive ever seen

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@leafersutherland  

I agree. I said it a few weeks ago. 

We are a team building without the luxury due to a very demanding fan base to take the sell everything route like Dallas and Buffalo. So what we pick up in prospects and free agents are players very highly regarded in the past, skillful players, but never really going to make it as their attitude is shown up. The attitude of a player is the only thing that cant be predicted by a player assessor prior to a draft and determine his pre draft rankings. An interview usually takes place but no doubt the youngsters have been coached into saying all the right things anyway. So weve picked up Ashton, Colborne, Holland, etc etc etc all 1st rounders and parts of trades but when it comes to it, with hindsight, would they have been picked up in the 1st round now. On paper we have prospects but are they really that good. BUT thats all we could get, we had to try, we had to hope that coming to Leaf land would change their attitudes. The answer is sadly not. Are we better than we were prior to Burke, yes by a million miles, but we needed to be 2 million miles better to take the step to the next level.

What would a Dallas do or a Buffalo, trade JVR and Kessel for more talent and take time rebuilding and have multiple first round picks so we could chose our own players rather than from a very limited list from potential trading partners. But how would we cope with another 3 or 4 years in the wilderness even worse than we are now. We have chosen the slow build.

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@vinoa @leafersutherland 

like minds - lol

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@leafersutherland @vinoa 

What transpires on the ice takes a a while after the decision/signings/sackings are made. Our paly off team last year was Burkes team and was the result of his work. Now that Nonis' changes are taking effect we see us heading in a different direction. My prediction for next year. 4th from bottom

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@Belfour20/JB-45 @Zeus_WilliamMapleLeafs 

Therein lies the problem. 

Stripping of it loses you the player but who would take the contract.

This is why I feel Nonis and Burke werent singing from the same song sheet. 

I mean really other than minutes because NO ONE made another high profile d-man signing after signing Phaneuf, why has Phaneuf deserved a pay rise. Thats all Nonis fault. I like Phaneuf, I like what he can do and the minutes he eats up but even I realise he is not bigger than that ridiculous Calgary contract we took over - not even close.

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@Belfour20/JB-45  

I think Dion was the guy for the job then. It was a team in transition who needed a leader to get them through it. Im pretty sure Burke didnt think Phanny as a Pronger or championship captain rather a transition captain a bit like Wilson in the coaches job. 

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@mike_84  

It would be the best thing to do but like all the butthurt in Tampa with StLouis if you do that type of degrading move you will soon have to say goodbye.

Is Phaneuf good enough to be captain, IMO not after this year, he showed some real mercenary traits, played very well prior to getting his deal then afterwards became a joke. But to make any moves to downgrade him leaf us with a d-corps where our best d-man is Rielly or Gleason ???? Help, the passengers of the f-ing Titanic had a better prospect for the future than the 2015 Leafs, and they are dire now.

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@Radar O'Rielly

He did say CRACK down - lol 

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@vinoa @dylanodon 

Weber would be useful but we should also look at the Islanders. Goal tender hell and puck moving d-men hell with both Vis and Nab surely to say good bye.

Surely a d-man OR Riems plus a pick for Strome could be done. They get Tavares back, so that may mean that Strome is surplus. He would be very decent and the trade suits both parties.

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