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Looking at the 8th overalls they arent world beaters but what surprises me and surprised me at the beginning of the year is that no one gave Peter Mueller a trial and got him on the cheap. 2million per for 2 years is relatively inexpensive and a decent guy to have around. He hasnt done too badly over in switzerland as far as I saw just before the olympic break - not sure if anythings happened since.

1 day, 13 hours ago on Morning Mashup: Drafting in the 8 spot

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@CanuckUKinToronto @Zeus_WilliamMapleLeafs 

No point throwing Franson under the bus when hes effectively already on it

2 days, 9 hours ago on Randy Carlyle End of Season Presser

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@Bruffins @Jmessih 

Seeing as he is the only guy on our team with an above average face off ability trading him would be suicide.

Id trade Lupul, Kadri, Gardiner and many others before Bozak.

Bozak has face off ability, hard working, chemistry with Kessel, eats minutes, defensively aware and massively under rated all at a reasonable price.

2 days, 9 hours ago on Randy Carlyle End of Season Presser

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@CanuckUKinToronto @Zeus_WilliamMapleLeafs 

Oh thats unfair. Gardiner was a disappointment ALL year, was there a stretch when he performed at all. 

Its also a case that some players earn their stripes and dont need public criticism to kick them up the ass. You dont coach all players the same. Some need an arm over the shoulder others need dressing room furniture going horizontal.

Gardiner needs a reality check

2 days, 9 hours ago on Randy Carlyle End of Season Presser

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I think a bit off on here that people are digging at Carlyle for chucking Gardiner under the buss when he said earlier that it was always going to be difficult with two young d-men.

Fact of the matter is Gardiner played garbage this year and did not carry on the form or even close his play off form.

Should we throw players under the bus when they suck, yes we should. Time for these soft millionaires to earn their money instead of it being a privileged for being an NHL player

2 days, 9 hours ago on Randy Carlyle End of Season Presser

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@Mcost61  

Despite my liking for tough no nonsense characters I do find Torts a complete pr!ck. Im not a fan.

3 days, 8 hours ago on Brendan Shanahan Press Conference Stream

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@ProfessorRance  

Kick in the Phanny?

3 days, 8 hours ago on Brendan Shanahan Press Conference Stream

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@Cameron19 @Zeus_WilliamMapleLeafs 

yeah but if youre talking compliments why dump Bozak and overpay for Staal. Bozzie compliments Kessel and JVR well.

But in my eyes Kessel JVR and Bozzie is the second line. We need a whole new top line with much better guys if we are going to go anywhere. Sure you can take the Boston route that seems like your aim there but is Kane and his dodgy attitude the right man for the job. I do like Brown, Ill give you that. I would like to cut our loses with Kadri though as I dont rate him one bit.

4 days, 10 hours ago on And that’s a wrap

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@Cameron19  

Part of th eLeafs forever problems right there. If Jordan Staal was a first liner then why isnt he for Carolina. If hes not better than Eric Staal then why is he good enough for us. Im peeved off with second and third liners coming to Toronto and getting Crosby minutes. Sorry Cam with this team its much the same.

Of your top 6 Id give jobs to 2 and they are already here

4 days, 10 hours ago on And that’s a wrap

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@Cameron19 @Zeus_WilliamMapleLeafs@Uncle Otis 

God we're in trouble -lol < have to laugh

4 days, 12 hours ago on And that&#8217;s a wrap

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@Cameron19 @Uncle Otis 

Nonis messing up again. His face no doubt full of pie the fat git. Mind on the banquett after the match rather than all the going on needed before it

4 days, 12 hours ago on And that&#8217;s a wrap

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@CanuckUKinToronto @Uncle Otis 

OMG youre not kidding. Those two were horrible and Im chosing my words in respect to daytime viewing and kids could be present. The odd man rushes against Riems were not a rarity and if it wasnt for Riemer it would have been 0-5m, shocking play, the worst Ive ever seen

4 days, 12 hours ago on And that&#8217;s a wrap

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@leafersutherland  

I agree. I said it a few weeks ago. 

We are a team building without the luxury due to a very demanding fan base to take the sell everything route like Dallas and Buffalo. So what we pick up in prospects and free agents are players very highly regarded in the past, skillful players, but never really going to make it as their attitude is shown up. The attitude of a player is the only thing that cant be predicted by a player assessor prior to a draft and determine his pre draft rankings. An interview usually takes place but no doubt the youngsters have been coached into saying all the right things anyway. So weve picked up Ashton, Colborne, Holland, etc etc etc all 1st rounders and parts of trades but when it comes to it, with hindsight, would they have been picked up in the 1st round now. On paper we have prospects but are they really that good. BUT thats all we could get, we had to try, we had to hope that coming to Leaf land would change their attitudes. The answer is sadly not. Are we better than we were prior to Burke, yes by a million miles, but we needed to be 2 million miles better to take the step to the next level.

What would a Dallas do or a Buffalo, trade JVR and Kessel for more talent and take time rebuilding and have multiple first round picks so we could chose our own players rather than from a very limited list from potential trading partners. But how would we cope with another 3 or 4 years in the wilderness even worse than we are now. We have chosen the slow build.

4 days, 12 hours ago on And that&#8217;s a wrap

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@vinoa @leafersutherland 

like minds - lol

4 days, 12 hours ago on And that&#8217;s a wrap

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@leafersutherland @vinoa 

What transpires on the ice takes a a while after the decision/signings/sackings are made. Our paly off team last year was Burkes team and was the result of his work. Now that Nonis' changes are taking effect we see us heading in a different direction. My prediction for next year. 4th from bottom

4 days, 12 hours ago on And that&#8217;s a wrap

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@Belfour20/JB-45 @Zeus_WilliamMapleLeafs 

Therein lies the problem. 

Stripping of it loses you the player but who would take the contract.

This is why I feel Nonis and Burke werent singing from the same song sheet. 

I mean really other than minutes because NO ONE made another high profile d-man signing after signing Phaneuf, why has Phaneuf deserved a pay rise. Thats all Nonis fault. I like Phaneuf, I like what he can do and the minutes he eats up but even I realise he is not bigger than that ridiculous Calgary contract we took over - not even close.

4 days, 12 hours ago on And that&#8217;s a wrap

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@Belfour20/JB-45  

I think Dion was the guy for the job then. It was a team in transition who needed a leader to get them through it. Im pretty sure Burke didnt think Phanny as a Pronger or championship captain rather a transition captain a bit like Wilson in the coaches job. 

4 days, 12 hours ago on And that&#8217;s a wrap

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@mike_84  

It would be the best thing to do but like all the butthurt in Tampa with StLouis if you do that type of degrading move you will soon have to say goodbye.

Is Phaneuf good enough to be captain, IMO not after this year, he showed some real mercenary traits, played very well prior to getting his deal then afterwards became a joke. But to make any moves to downgrade him leaf us with a d-corps where our best d-man is Rielly or Gleason ???? Help, the passengers of the f-ing Titanic had a better prospect for the future than the 2015 Leafs, and they are dire now.

4 days, 12 hours ago on And that&#8217;s a wrap

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@Radar O'Rielly

He did say CRACK down - lol 

4 days, 13 hours ago on And that&#8217;s a wrap

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@vinoa @dylanodon 

Weber would be useful but we should also look at the Islanders. Goal tender hell and puck moving d-men hell with both Vis and Nab surely to say good bye.

Surely a d-man OR Riems plus a pick for Strome could be done. They get Tavares back, so that may mean that Strome is surplus. He would be very decent and the trade suits both parties.

4 days, 13 hours ago on And that&#8217;s a wrap

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@dylanodon  

To me it all depends what is available in Europe. Godolbin is a talent but streaky and a few of the finns are interesting and NHL teams love to draft Swedes high.

It all depends if DalCollemakes it to 8th. If he does its a no brainer it really isnt and I think he'll make the back end of the season.

4 days, 13 hours ago on And that&#8217;s a wrap

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@Keeon  

Nope. Captain, to change that would show that management was WRONG. Youll never find anyone at the top admit to mistakes when it shows a serious flaw in judgement and knowledge of the game.

And his new contract? Its unmoveable.

4 days, 13 hours ago on And that&#8217;s a wrap

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@GeorgeCastanza  

Every team suffered due to the Olympics. The problem isnt that Kessel and JVR were fudged when they came back rather Kessle and JVR is all we got. Simply ask the question, Kessle and JVR, where do they place on a team like Pittsburgh, Boston, Chicago, LA. Top line? Unlimited minutes. These are teams with second lines arguably better than our first and to add a third and fourth to that we are at a disadvantage from day one.

Time to cut ties with under performing prospects that either claim top pay or top minutes and only perform prior to trade deadlines. Kadri and Lupul for starters.

4 days, 13 hours ago on And that&#8217;s a wrap

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A terrible effort last night. I realise everyone wanted to get a better draft pick but that just makes zero sense. We are not going to get a franchise player from an 8th overall, infact I would go as far to say there isnt a franchise player up for grabs this year at all no matter the pick. 

We also have to realise the dog-sh!t scouts and player assessors we have in leaf land. The ones that picked Luke Schenn and Kadri and the GM mantra of "we will pick the best player available NOT fill a specific need". Thats like your mothers going out food shopping and coming back with a stereo because it represented the best value for money. Bring it home and then because shes so happy about it NOT trade or sell it (for the desperately needed food) because shes grown fond of it and it represents all she is to the family - a f-king retard.

I am so embarrassed about the Leafs play down the stretch. They are all a bunch of losers and the best thing we could do is clean out. Get rid of the dead wood that is obvious to all and get rid of the decent players too JVR and Kessel etc. Why should they have their careers ruined by a team with management and ownership who have absolutely no desire to be winners. Where Pride is a march held once a year through the town center. I feel very sorry that we have effectively destroyed a decent players career much like Tavares on long island and RNH, Eberle and Hall in Edmonton (not to mention Yakupov).

In my eyes with all the pressure in Toronto and dosgsh!t ownership where money brought in means more than winning - after all what would winning bring to the bank balance at the end of the day that isnt already achieved by millions upon millions of fans in the hockey capital of the world in the worlds premier hockey nation - there is only one thing to do.

We MUST petition the NHL hierarchy to allow the City of Toronto get another NHL franchise. By cutting into our profit base we may well force the Leafs hierarchy into action or otherwise future generations without ties with Leafs hockey will simply chose the other ship. The money available to hockey in Toronto is more than sufficient to run two hockey teams, for arguments sake it already does and more, paying for much of the US NHL teams. A burden we wouldnt have to shoulder if our margins went down. Money for hockey within Toronto may even go up as people on the cusp of being full time fans may be swayed into picking a side rather than simply passively sitting on the fence.

The plan of firing yet another d!ckless GM is pointless when all that will be hired is another playing dumb under ownership who really steer the SS Leafs. A stanley cup winning coach isnt good enough to win? And in order to progress in this backwards hockey world we have to throw 82 games to get a player who could get us out of mediocrity. Its all a bit dumb really.

One of three. Get rid of the wage cap (communism at its finest), New team in Toronto, or much the same as before. Atleast unlike Swedish Detroit, Pittsburgh, LA, ........ team fans I can get some sleep now. 

 

4 days, 16 hours ago on And that&#8217;s a wrap

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@4evrblue @Zeus_WilliamMapleLeafs 

Hoping its Edmonton accepting Torontos offer (that was given in my head) for Yakupov of Lupul, Franson and our 1st.

Funily enough with Yaks -33 (+/- stat) is cancelled out because we dump Franson - lol

6 days, 10 hours ago on Game Review: Game #81, Panthers 4 vs. Leafs 2

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@4evrblue  

Is that 2pm eastern

6 days, 10 hours ago on Game Review: Game #81, Panthers 4 vs. Leafs 2

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@Chris Jay  

Why would you want the first overall pick.

Am I the only one that isnt that convinced with this years crop. 

Sam Bennet is a bit MEH! in my eyes from what Ive seen he certainly isnt as good as the previous No1s from the OHL OR even top 3s in previous years.

As for Reinhart Im not sure of the whole WHL set up - very few the past 10 years have come from that league that are worthy Top 3 picks let alone No1 and all the razzmatazz to afford a so called Franchise player.

Ekblad is solid but it will still take a good 3-4 years to get the best of him to start showing. Thats how long it takes for a solid stay at home guy to develop. One thing looking good amongst kids but against seasoned pros

Draistl (spelling). Ive gone right off Germans, I feel that the training for youngsters in Europe isnt as intense as it is for north americans.Bigger rinks with an emphasis on stamina rather than gym work and building up body strength. When sportmen start late with that type of work they dont last as long in their careers.

DalColle(spelling) is the best choice out there in my eyes for the now. Playing a youngster on the wing is infinitely more beneficial to bleed them into the NHL than at centre. Only the truly great centres make an immediate impact.


I would be more inclined to make a deal for a player that has a future BUT also can help us straight away.

Trade a d-man or Riemer to the Islanders and give them the first they are missing this year and get Strome. That would be immediately beneficial and we know he works.

6 days, 10 hours ago on Game Review: Game #81, Panthers 4 vs. Leafs 2

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@Mind Bomb  

And the comanding officer will will be James kirk - ru shitting me!

What ever next the president of Afghanistan called TALIBAN i JIHAD

or a president called HUSSEIN and OBAMA (osama - too close)

Heres to our new coach being some guy pulled off the street called Scotty  Boeman

1 week ago on NHL Draft Lottery Odds (updated: April 11)

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@Mind Bomb  

No f-king kidding. Seen Dion make so many mistakes I no longer take a sip of my beer when the opposition has the puck 

1 week ago on NHL Draft Lottery Odds (updated: April 11)

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@NotTheCanucksnaphook  

Yes we drafted a d-man, should be good to go in a couple of years and then slated for not being the reincarnation of Chris Pronger

1 week ago on NHL Draft Lottery Odds (updated: April 11)

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@lukethenuke  

Oh hire from old playing stock I like it.

Jason Blake would do a good job and with Roy and Yzerman doing so well with their respective clubs why couldnt Blake.

^please people take what I just said with a pinch of salt - sarcasm at its finest. Trolling to the max

1 week, 1 day ago on Game Review: Game #80, Lightning 3 vs. Maple Leafs 0

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@CanuckUKinToronto  

Its been bad player acquisitions.Players with noticeable skill but seemed to fly under everyone elses radar. Why? Poor concentration and terrible character. It takes the strongest of wills and characters to play for the Leafs and all that entails, but brass seem to believe that this is the place to focus those wandering minds. Like the aura of the place will knuckle them down. I think the brass believe their own hype about the Leafs.


It would be a good idea instead of the Leafs brass believing that we are the second most successful team behind the Habs and a powerhouse in hockey and look at the fact we have NEVER won the Stanley cup outside the days of the original 6. To me that is a million miles away from the 30 teams today. A completely different game. The Leafs as a team and club is a mediocre entity based in the worlds largest hockey market, who due to geography was inevitably going to be one of the two or three to be the most successful in the old era.

Time to get off our f-king horses and do some work ourselves.

1 week, 1 day ago on Game Review: Game #80, Lightning 3 vs. Maple Leafs 0

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@CanuckUKinToronto @4evrblue@Great Dane 

Christ dont play MacIntyre. If he plays one good game Leafs fans will be calling him the new Reimer. We know what MacIntyre can do, he will probably be back up next year.

We NEED Reims to make a couple of decent games so we can get a price for him. I cant see him getting any more ice time next year than this and there are too many floors to his game to be a legit No1 even if he was a breath of fresh air after years of Raycroft Toskala and Gustavsson.

1 week, 1 day ago on Game Review: Game #80, Lightning 3 vs. Maple Leafs 0

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@Great Dane @Zeus_WilliamMapleLeafs@4evrblue 

Lupul is injured so it may be hard to get rid of him now granted but Lupul has peeked, we wont get better from him what weve already seen. In terms of getting best possible price his value is dropping as we speak. Its cash in now or get nothing later on.

Bozak I wouldnt get rid of because he is a tireless worker even though hes no superstar. I would trade Kadri over Bozzie any day of the week.

Clarkson, getting rid of that white elephant will be a huge problem. Im not sure Ottawa would want Clarkson as they have McArthur - lol. (god thats so funny it hurts ha ha ha). The only match for Clarkson I see is a desperate NJ. His known, he fits in, low risk BUT we will have to retain some salary. Whatever we can get for him.

1 week, 1 day ago on Game Review: Game #80, Lightning 3 vs. Maple Leafs 0

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@Great Dane  

I would look back further to see if it is better reading but Leafs.com has taken away the calender at the side as there didnt seem enough space to put the L's. L is a big letter you know - lol

1 week, 1 day ago on Game Review: Game #80, Lightning 3 vs. Maple Leafs 0

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@4evrblue  

I can only hope we try and move up in the draft. The draft doesnt seem as strong as it has done in previous years with the top end talent being of very good (some ready now) talent rather than the Tavares, Stamkos Crosby Ovechkins of the past.

Bennet Reinhart and Ekblad going in the top 3 and to be honest I wouldnt go for Bennet or Rheinhart to really help us now. I would rather we went all guns for Spezza, used Lupul and our 1st to get Dal Colle.

Go somewhere along the lines of

Kessel -  Spezza - JVR

Kadri - Bozak - Dal Colle

OR

Kessel - Bozak - JVR

Kadri - Spezza - Dal Colle

Clarksson - Bolland - Kamarov

(4th line still scratching my head on this)


This is "inexpensive" and a talent and years upgrade WITH not too much of a cap dent.

1 week, 1 day ago on Game Review: Game #80, Lightning 3 vs. Maple Leafs 0

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@4evrblue  

lol i wonder if it was Kurts

1 week, 1 day ago on Game Review: Game #80, Lightning 3 vs. Maple Leafs 0

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@loomx @wendelsfist 

disagree totally.

Some players are born players. Like in all sports. They dont work out angles with slide rules or trigonometry most sportsman are as thick as pig sh!te and need help to do their own laces up. But they were born with an uncanny ability of just doing it.

The same could be said for scouts and people who just see class. Im one of them. I can use fancy words and sell a fridge to an eskimo and use Maths (studied at Uni) to prove all sorts of crap but when it comes down to seeing talent I use neither - I just know. Ive predicted many a decent player from nothing, I cant explain it I just see composure and how  they hold themselves. Its a dying art as many seem overly reliant to explain the world in some way or other.


Unfortunately its a young mans world and the only way I can prove myself is with years of saying I told you so until the point people believe in what I say, but time is not a luxury in todays world

1 week, 4 days ago on Game Review: Game #79, Toronto Maple Leafs 2 vs Winnipeg Jets 4

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@Jmessih  

Maybe they should do a graph of how many points Canada paid for and how many points the US paid for. Might look different

1 week, 5 days ago on Ben Smith&#8217;s Late Goal Keeps Leafs Alive in Playoff Race

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@Shift_Disturber1

Its Apple, they suck.

Admittedly I have an iPhone 4 as Im poor - lol. but I too cant post as the post buttons dead.

Saying that I dont try that often as I live in Sweden. I go out because I have to and when out I do things as quickly as possible so I can get home to my lovely computer. In the warm, with a Brandy. No doubt all the youngsters look at me and say look at the hobo with the smart phone - who does he think he is, bet he wears boxers and has spotifies. Little do they know, I wear skiddies and havent exercised in years - f-king newbies 

1 week, 5 days ago on Ben Smith&#8217;s Late Goal Keeps Leafs Alive in Playoff Race

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@rustynail @Jay_Berg 

I suspect he is taken it easy so we dont get to see him play and realise hes not worth the 4.5 - 5 million he no doubt is asking for.

Better the memory of his Hawks days and a few good starts at the beginning of this term stay fresh in the memory and not change his stats too much.

Sorry was that too cynical for a Saturday evening

1 week, 5 days ago on Ben Smith&#8217;s Late Goal Keeps Leafs Alive in Playoff Race

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@vinoa @rockydundas@Cameron19@Burtonboy 

I would like this comment vinoa but it includes Kessel and Phanny playing somewhere else and allthough I get your point totally it hurts too much to like.

Very rarely do I raise my glass to the sky in the direction of Canada and toast great news from Leaf land like the time I heard both guys got extensions. Middle of the day over here in Sweden and I cheered the signing of both guys like my own birthday.

Fantastic players and Im so proud to have them here (in Leaf land)

2 weeks, 2 days ago on Nonis&#8217; expectations, an &#8220;exhaustive&#8221; Carlyle review

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@rockydundas

I think what  vinoa was trying to say is if we got a return for Kessel and Phaneuf in Parise and Weber we will all be in awe for what Phaneuf and Kessel actually did for the Leafs as they have been the pillars of this team not liabilities that a lot make them out to be.

2 weeks, 2 days ago on Nonis&#8217; expectations, an &#8220;exhaustive&#8221; Carlyle review

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@Burtonboy  

All players go through ups and downs - look at Giroux for one.

But over a whole season if you paired Perry up with Bozak as center would he have scored as many.

If you paired many of the so called top top players with what Kessel has to play with you wouldnt get half the return.

Im not slating Bozie hes a tireless worker and Im not slating JVR who I highly rate, but it is JVRs first season as a first liner and hes still learning his trade - He isnt a Getzlaf or for James Neal a Malkin or Crosby or for Nick Backstrom an Ovechkin.

Kessel is the real deal, a little soft and not a two way forward by any stretch but he is a solid scoring machine. He is like Semin but with scoring consistency and a far better work ethic and attitude.

Onwards and upwards Phill the Thrill

2 weeks, 2 days ago on Nonis&#8217; expectations, an &#8220;exhaustive&#8221; Carlyle review

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@4evrblue @Cameron19 

That is garbage and I would be furious if we bought him out and pay no one cap hit until 2025. It stupid bordering on retarded.

We have all had to suffer the Tucker byout for too long and it being an issue in everyones calculations but to have a buyout twice as much is OK. Not in  my books. Id rather put 5.25 million on the 4th line for 2 minutes a game knowing we had a decent reserve should injuries kick in than pay a non team member already with someone else kicking our ass everytime we play them untill my 50th. Sod that.

Clarkson stays, a small chance we could trade back to NJ just because of the fact hes a known quantity there and not really a gamble for them. But buy out NO WAY

2 weeks, 2 days ago on Nonis&#8217; expectations, an &#8220;exhaustive&#8221; Carlyle review

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@Black_Hawk  

I do love those that attack Clarkson and I do love those that attacked Burke (especially that pillock Don Cherry) for not picking Ontario boys.

Burke was right. The pressure is too much for a Leafs fans to make the playoffs and overcome a double generation cup drought.

Thats why Burke picked Yanks - without generalising too much - American players are more aggressive in general and handle pressure better. They are able to shrug it off better and are more cocky and dismissive of troubles than Ontarians do playing for the Leafs.

Clarkson isnt a bad player and if he got traded and got decent minutes on a top two line would probably thrive. Setting himself up as Wendel Clark 2.0 didnt help his cause either.

It wasnt American favouritism by Burke nor "bigotry" Mr Cherry it was common sense. Once we have the monkey off of our backs and by that I mean a contender or top 4 team and its expected of us like it is of Boston, LA, Chicago and Pittsburgh then we can bleed in Ontarian youngsters into a stress free (as much stress free as you can make professional sports) environment where they can thrive without being the great saviour before having ever proved anything.

Poor old Clarkson.

2 weeks, 2 days ago on Nonis&#8217; expectations, an &#8220;exhaustive&#8221; Carlyle review

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@wiski @rustynail 

Is Nonis GM of all Toronto sports - I doubt it he isnt clever enough to get Defoe

2 weeks, 3 days ago on Leafs Notebook &#8211; March 31

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Hi lads, are we still dejected and down after securing a mid first round pic for our efforts.


This is really just a question about this years draft which does look a little weak even though stats are comparable to previous years. From what Ive read on prospect reports and what very small vid snipits that can be found all the players seem to be 10% less on previous years. 

Im even reading that very few first rounders this year are even mature enough to make their respected drafting teams in their first year as an NHL:er. Is this true, anyone with their ear a little closer to the ground. Im big on Rheinhart even though the Leafs wont be drafting close to the top 3 but even he isnt thought as NHL ready. Bennets dropped down the expected ranks.

Any info out there Ive missed or you could enlighten me with.


Hockey till I die but being a Leafs fan will probably be sooner rather than later.

2 weeks, 3 days ago on Leafs Notebook &#8211; March 31

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@MaxwellHowe  

Just like Edmonton - they've learned to be losers

2 weeks, 4 days ago on Poll: Now What?

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@Cameron19  

True true but cant help we are just going around in circles here.

I thinks its important we pick up a package deal, GM and coach who are both singing from the same song sheet. The GM gets the players the coach can work with and we should throw all the money in the world at this problem

2 weeks, 4 days ago on Poll: Now What?

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