I do believe in goats
I do believe in goats
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I do believe in goats.
To be a seller you would actually have to put the knife and fork down and pick up the phone other than to play online poker or order a pizza.
Im afraid I dont have the same expectations of Nonis as you do.
2 days, 9 hours ago on Wednesday Mashup: Back At It vs. Devils
For those that remember me, not on here that much. Cheers and goodbye. My love affair with hockey is over and Im done. Making a clean break for it.
I hope for all your sakes that the Leafs win a championship in your lifetimes, there must be some reward in the sport. Laterz All. Goat out!
Cheers youre a great bunch of people even if some of you are seriously misguided - lol.
3 weeks, 2 days ago on The Randy Carlyle era is over
I can see how there is no place for Perron in that line up. Minnesota, the mighty minnesota must be quaking in their boots.
4 weeks ago on Game 38 Scoring Chances: Maple Leafs 4 vs. Bruins 3 (SO)
@Forever17 @Zeus_WilliamMapleLeafs @Dogger
Look. We have Kessel, years left. Kadri if we arent trading then years left. We have JVR years left in the tank. We have Bozzie, can do a job untill we get that no1. And we have Nylander coming in (everyones big hope) What space is there available in teh top 6 for these great farming prospects to take. Im not talking about a team that is full of 30 yo's, Im talking land entering into their prime and all we have to do now is light the touch paper. Success breeds success and more importantly success brings a desire for people to jump aboard the ship. Free agents in teh summer or players giving up their NMC to join us. Instead of now where the main attraction is defensively minded Phil Kessel and perma crock Lupul. Kadri and JVR are not a draw at present and nor is Bozak. You have to add a few more first.
Nope Im not doing the same deal at all.
You see I reckon Edmonton wanted a d-man first. What my complaint is we know the price of Perron, it was a late first rounder and a 4th line plug. Thats it.
Now if we traded Franson to Edmonton the difference might only have been a 3rd. As Franson is way better and of use than Klinkhammer. This is what Im getting at.
What we have seen the past two "nice" deals I mentioned was.
Hartnell + Perron
RJ Umberger + Klinkhammer + 25th -28th overall pick.
If you dont see that as value that we should have had some say in then you are mad.
If you dont see
Kessel - Bozak - Hartnell
Lupul - Kadri - Perron
as better than we have now then I know FA about hockey obviously.
Thats my point. Just because the Marlies do well doesnt translate into any guarantee that the mother club will get success. Of course it doesnt mean the opposite either. But what Im saying is most of that that passes through the Marlies are AHL'ers, old guys trying to kick start their careers, fringe players on the leafs or decent AHL'ers from other franchises that could boost our prospects. Very few graduate from AHL to NHL and really make any sort of difference. Very few.
@DJGLENN22 @Zeus_WilliamMapleLeafs @Forever17 @Dogger
Like January 2015 made me negative about our crap management. Ive had decades of that my friend. Just because I got the chance to buy a new callender to put on my wall and still getting a kiss by the office slut doesnt mean Ive totally taken leave of my senses.
Also we have less of a chance making the playoffs if we watch those around us have the bollox and make a trade whilst we sit about watching all our stars burn 1 year of their contracts edging 1 year closer to UFA because we were too scared to compete.
What kind of fighting talk is it when our fans say "what if we dont make the playoffs", I tell you what - we burn 60+ million dollars on another wasted season and step 1 year closer to having to find more replacements added to teh fact those 1 year wonder deals in teh summer to solidify our 3rd and 4th lines, they wont want to resign.
Well lets hope they dont follow Fraser, Blacker, Brennan, and countless others out the door for free because we didnt have room for such talent on a talentless team
@DJGLENN22 @Zeus_WilliamMapleLeafs @Jeff_Mintz
By giving Edmonton what they wanted a d-man
look through the previous 10 drafts at all top 15 picks. And you tell me picks between say 7 and 15, how many are better than Perron.
Perron is 26 27 on a decent deal, thats hardly a rental
Yes absolutely Dogger, because when we draft we draft
A 2nd line center who cant take a face off (Kadri), Schenn who was hated when here and isnt all that, The goat who is a third liner at best .............. shall I go on.
Maybe we should talk about 1st rounders past, how many of them grace the NHL.
I dont share your way of team building, i dont believe in team building exclusively through the draft, I think its daft and short sighted. You have to pick and mix. If you take ALL of Torontos draft picks the past 10 years you wouldnt have the numbers to play a challenging NHL team.
Players that are available are few and far between because teams arent moving players for multiple deals like they used to.
ANY top 6 guy you can get your hands on you should atleast be in the races to landing him. And may I remind you, Lupul is injured as always, plus we have no 2nd line RW.
Guidance is the problem. If you fill an NHL team up with kids all youve done is taken their AHL shirts off and put NHL ones on. You cant hang tinsel on a pile of shit and call it a christmas tree
Yet they have sccess we dont and they feel hes worth a 1st rounder yet we dont?
So by your logic the successfull team doesnt know anything but we do whilst we suck
Perrons been shite? You twat! Hes was on a dog shit team with a moron as a coach.
Then you lot can be happy with the way the Leafs are and should never complain. We have some decent young forwards in Nylander, Kadri (still class him as young) and JVR we shouldnt fill the roster with more youngsters rather get some decent guys they can learn something from.
I would because i dont want to wait 4 years on a prospect who wont be a top prospect (more likely not than will be) to play in a team minus Kessel because he will have already thrown a fit and left or just become too old.
May I congratulate Nonis on missing yet another boat.
Last year he missed out on Hartnell because I guess we didnt have an Umberger to trade for a quality no nonsense 30 goal scoring hard hitting winger
this year we missed out on Perron because our 1st wouldnt be as good as the Penguins and we have no Klinkhammer.
Fuck is our management garbage.
Watching young men get changed? OK
holy sh!t who the hell would eat that today of all days. I went to bed last night burning hot and a pulse of 150 for 3 hours due to drink and over eating. cracker bread and water for me today.
4 weeks, 1 day ago on GDT: Game #38, Toronto Maple Leafs vs. Boston Bruins (7 p.m., SN)
good hes been sorely missed. But it is a real issue that one guy goes down and the 2012-13 leafs turn into the 2013-14 leafs.
1 month ago on Game Review: Game #37, Tampa Bay Lightning 3 vs. Toronto Maple Leafs 2
@Kessel81 @Zeus_WilliamMapleLeafs @Sebastian James @Leafer
Richards would be a better fit at No2center. Yandle is class but I cant see how we could afford Yandle with our wage structure.
But what Im really looking for is a top line center, vet with experience and nobodies fool.
Big Joe would be my choice and would pay for him. He wont last forever but what a boost for the guys around him. Pavelski and Couture need more of the limelight and responsibility and it is Marleau and Thornton that are holding them back and also holding Hertl back, no doubt others on the way.
@Sebastian James @Zeus_WilliamMapleLeafs @Leafer
Im a 100% sure of it. There is too much emphasis on total rebuilds this and that.
What did Chicago do when they drafted Kane Toews Keith etc. They brought in Hossa
What did LA do when they drafted Kopitar they brought in Williams and Richards, who played together in Philly.
Im not saying put all the assets into trading for an old hand with limited time left. Im also not saying do a complete rebuild. Im saying mix things up a bit.
I think we got stuck in that brave talk of Brian Burke "Im not building a play off team JUST to get into teh playoffs but a challenging team - I want the cup". Fantastic for the fans and the press but unless you throw seasons and do a Pittsburgh you wont get a generation talent that could spear head a title challenge. What you need to do is show all the players out there that their careers arent wasted by coming here. We can offer stability and play off hockey is what they want, thats how you attract free agents, thats how you make "player agents" ask their clients whether Toronto "could" be an option rather than now. Now they get off the phone from a Nonis inquiry and piss themselves with laughter. They then ring up their clients and chuckle throughout the night.
I think it has the same thing going wrong for it that Edmonton has got wrong with them. Too much youth NO veterans.
Bozak, not drafted straight out of college, never played with a winger with any experience. Hasnt been shown by an experienced guy what is expected by him in his position.
Kessel, came to us still young, a young Luke Skywalker but where was his Obi Wan (lol what a comparison) or Yoda. Again no experienced winder to learn from NOR a top experienced center to tell him whats expected of a winger for a center and what to expect.
JVR his "teaching" has been from two guys that havent had teaching themselves.
Lupul, is a 2nd or 3rd line guy that over performs on the top line (the ol 80 point season), he is a solid guy and the teams vet but trying to teach top line guys/hopefuls a job he isnt good enough himself for.
Kadri, the great hope which is mediocre at best. Will never be a point per game guy, wildly inconsistent and utter dogshit at face offs, Added to that, what guidance has he had. The senior center on teh roster is Bozak.????
Clarkson. A half decent full of heart guy, played top line minutes in NJ for one season because Elias Kovi and Parise ALL suffered long term injuries. Basically in that regards Lupul 2.0. A 2nd 3rd liner over inflated due to more minutes and better line mates. But like Bozak leeches quality rather than help others with his.
Santorelli, decent maybe guy, worth a go, 1st liner never but a decent plug.
I could go on but it is clear for everyone to see. If you stuff your forward roster with youngsters/ other teams 2nd 3rd liner, failed in other teams eyes prospects and plugs you will never create that matriarchal, disciplined collection that is needed for a win.
We arent lacking ability like Edmonton arent. But what we do lack is hockey intelligence with experience, discipline and leadership. ALL those things are deemed as aspects of maturity not attributes of youth.
We should get ourselves a Mike Richards or E.Staal. Its that player that for the cost might not get you your moneys worth for their individual playing contribution but the gold dust that rubs off them and coats the young and impressionable will be invaluable and make them all better players.
For the statisticians. If we get a recognized 90% guy and he slows down to a 70%, deemed a failure would we really lose if ALL those players around him increase 10% in ability, experience, knowledge and maturity.
Time for our GM(s) to f-ing wake up.
Its one thing if you are evaluating a business that doesnt declare it finances untill after the financial year and thus not scrutinized by those in the know, have interest or the bleeding nosey but a hockey team is scrutinized 24/7 and its common knowledge to all of us with the slightest interest in the game.
something you wish to share with us my friend. I do believe that the NHL is trying to open eyes to all persuasion.
Funny how the guy with a ring side seat and starring all in the eye is the last to see that many of teh Leafs are utter garbage. Christ this Shanahan the savior crap has really fooled a lot of you. All I know if I worked in a bank and took one year to figure out what the problem was in the sinking ship I would drown in bad press and the hordes demanding their money bank.
Shanahan is a fraud.
I see Phanny as a tough no nonsense guy who is the perfect compliment for rebuilding a team. A guy that can fit round others and offer decent levels of everything to get results coming in despite upheaval. I think the mistake was made when we then built a core of players to extend him and pay him wages better suited for guys like Yandle or Weber. Maybe it was Burkes plan to have a rebuild captain and then when the direction of the team and the majority of the building blocks in place trade him for a final piece and give the captaincy to a guy that is better suited being a face to the franchise bought about by success rather than grit and grime.
Horses for courses
What a guy says in the press to alleviate himself and the new appointment from unnecessary stress with the blessing of ownership is a vastly different thing to reality. You honestly telling me that ownership is going to pay two guys to sit on their asses and use the vast knowledge they supposedly have to take 1 year to make minds up about things that a blind man could see in a handful of games then you dont know how loudly money talks.
I do and I think their approach is better when developing youngsters but thats because they have the team in the first place to bed youth into. In Toronto we bed youth into a team of 3rd liners and other youth all of which with varying degrees of mediocre to no success.
I think in deeper areas we have "better" skaters or more skillfull guys but I feel its just a desperate approach by us to try and get as much scoring in the team as possible to scatter their lines in an attempt to thwart us. But being more comfortable with each other with lines that have stayed together alot longer and allowed to gel, team work usually prevails.
@wendelsfist @Zeus_WilliamMapleLeafs @Radar O'Rielly @BCLeafFan
I just dont see why it has to be a choice of Randy OR Kessel. I think no matter the system you choose to play a guy like Kessel can perform. But he will be more consistant and infinitely happier if he isnt seeing his career as being flushed down teh pan like Kovis career in Atlanta or Nashs in Columbus. You could trade him but I feel its a desperate and lack of ambition move. As ive said before there have been hundreds of decent deals made in the NHL, the only similarity between all those deals is NONE of them involved the Leafs. We dont trade, we dont pick up high end free agents due to a value stance, we dont draft well at all. SO HOW in gods name can you expect to be successful.
@Radar O'Rielly @BCLeafFan
I just dont get the Carlyle hate and I think its just too convenient to blame the coach all the time.
Babcock is deemed as the saviour but his win lose record of a season is only marginally better than that of Carlyles and thats with players that can actually play and settled defence and forward line brought up in a system with Scotty B's years of success and direction.
Im 99% convinced that Babcock couldnt get our players to perform like we want them to do. You cant no matter who holds the cloth polish these turds to make diamonds.
@peterbleafs @Zeus_WilliamMapleLeafs @Radar O'Rielly
If you lose faceoffs more often then not then a face off in their zone allows them to clear it turning our backs against on rushing forwards = they dictate play. Lose the faceoffs in our zone and we sustain pressure, make mistakes and draw penalties from the guys more often than not should be the ones staying on the ice for the PPK
I refuse to blame Carlyle for this mess. The players have such glaring flaws in their games that they are incredibly easy to manipulate. They arent Carlyle type players and to be honest they arent anyones type of players. We have stars with sod all support and nearly guys being talked up as the next best thing since sliced bread.
@Radar O'Rielly @wendelsfist
NO, yes yes yes NO
All I know is when it comes down to Riems contract talks you write a low figure on a piece of paper, screw it up and chuck at him. With 99 probability that you get a juicy rebound of the paper ball his career sent hurtling back through the air into the waste paper basket where, in Toronto, it belongs.
harsh or what!!!
@peterbleafs @Radar O'Rielly @Zeus_WilliamMapleLeafs
lots of ok players.
We have a game winner, a man who can make a goal from nothing in Phil BUT he is a luxury a team without a foundation should have. Should we get rid - of course not only a twat would get rid of Kessel. But surely he needs a guy to play with. One that feeds of him JUST AS MUCH as a guy that feeds him. We need a second line center who can win face offs as well. As much as Kadri has been playing better I still feel that a center who cant take a face off is as usefull as a dman that cant defend. Its a glaring weakness in a guys game that cant really be overcome by skill and work alone. Face offs are so important they have to be seen as a must for a center. The only good thing to come out of Kadri in my book is hes playing himself up to be traded away from this dump. And I pray that we get something half decent for him. Hes just not for this team.
@Radar O'Rielly @Zeus_WilliamMapleLeafs
Im a leafs fan, of course i drink, chin chin
The management is terrible. Sure its been calm but its not calm cool and colected genious thats done it all before and knows his way is a way that works and been there before. This is the calm of the captain of teh titanic or the lack of struggle from an ISIS detainee staring at a sword blade. Its positively catatonic.
No but really. There are a shit ton of players out there that could make this team better, more balanced and some D from teh forward possitions. There have also been a shit ton of deals that have been very very beneficial, easy to make and not to expensive in the NHL for other teams.
The only thing those 3 muppets plus a few others have proven. If they are in a sinking ship that may actually not go down and be towed limping back to port with a touch of luck and weather on our side, then none of them will waste power on water pumps or the handing out of buckets to toss the water overboard.
Ive only just started my first bottle of bed shitter so sarcasm it is hic!
oh come on. There is no way they will ever be deemed knee jerk people. Im still to be convinced they have a pulse.
I will like to congratulate the New York cabby's frist year (actually 8 months) "in charge" at The Toronto Leafs and can say with confidence that his brand of ice hockey and new team identity has been very very easy to digest. For the most of us its all we've ever known so the transition from a team that has a high scoring percentage, low shot rate and excessive shots against team that cant clear its own zone and shits the bed like a two bottle a day drunk to a high scoring percentage, low shot rate and excessive shots against team
that cant clear its own zone and shits the bed like a two bottle a day
drunk seems to be right at home.
So thank you Shanaham for your hard work. The Leafs have proven that with TWO GM's you can suck as hard as any other team that has just the one, even retarded ones. I sincerely hope youve made coffee for some of the office staff because someone somewhere has to say that youve done something constructive.
I think Dubas has an equation for this somewhere. But I dont need an algorithm to tell me the Toronto Maple Leafs are the worst run hockey franchise in North America.
Dubas + Shanahan + Nonis = failure.
@Ian from Etobicoke @Zeus_WilliamMapleLeafs @djamon @IveHadPhaneuf
I feel you need a balance of youth with vets and tough guys. Not fill lines with youngsters, it just doesnt work.
Their idea is to stuff the lines with 20 year olds and expect fireworks. Ive seen some unbelievable stick skill and chances on goal but the times in between being bullied, pushed about and void of ideas of how to stop the pressure. They have a 1st overall pick on teh third line doing checking duties becasue thats what they have, no grit just kids.
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@hometeem @IveHadPhaneuf @Zeus_WilliamMapleLeafs @djamon
I like Phanny but have an issue with him as a top guy but probably more an issue he has always been paired with a youngster or an also run guy. Defensively you cant blame Phanny that much. Again its like the Kessel situation. Hes a loan top player with bits and pieces around him.Of course thats going to affect a guy, his play, his confidence, his mentality.
I dont think anyones happy by our lack of success BUT I do feel there are those in the camp of tweeking and changing our approach and then there are those that want to go full rebuild every two years. I have read Edmonton fans posts on blogs and even they feel they should break it up and go on full rebuild. Really rebuild using picks to get how many 1st overalls, they have 3 and another top 3 pick guy and probably will get a top 3 pick atleast next year.
Total rebuild is a myth and never actually happened.
@IveHadPhaneuf @djamon @Zeus_WilliamMapleLeafs
A - fucking - men