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I know it hasn't been mentioned a whole lot, but I personally think Holland may be a good fit for the second line alongside Lupul and Kadri. I think Holland is a more effective player if he fits a top six role and gets more minutes a night. I know he is considered a centre but we have a couple guys who are going to have to shift over to the wing.
I personally really liked his game last year and hope he can't fight for a second line role.
Jvr - Bozak - Kessel
Lups - Kadri - Holland
Booth - Santo - Clarkson
Komarov - Winnik - Kontiola
Guys like Booth, Clarkson, Frattin may be fighting for that second line spot but I wouldn't be surprised if Holland is pushing hard for that position.
15 hours, 38 minutes ago on Toronto Maple Leafs sign Daniel Winnik to a one-year deal
@LynnMcMillan Haha this is such a silly/ridiculous post.
You're judging a player from a picture at a gold tournament where I'm sure everyone was eating hot dogs.
Do you personally know Kadri doesn't train hard?
Get a grip.
2 weeks, 1 day ago on Monday Mashup: The Dog Days are Here
@Burtonboy I think that was one of management's goals... To fill the lineup with players who can help set the tone of the game by playing hard with energy, despite not always putting points up.
Our bottom six last year had absolutely no personality.
2 weeks, 4 days ago on Maple Leafs’ Assistant Coach announcement to come next week
@T_Ry I can't even begin to tell you how many arguments I've already had this summer with friends and colleagues who all think Kadri is a bust and should be traded away.
A kid who isn't even 24 and has 113 points in 177 NHL games... While being sent back and forth between the AHL and NHL.
His first full season in the league he puts up 20 goals and 50 points but yet he is a bust lol. Give him another year or two and he may be a consistent 60+ center with a ceiling to go even higher.
A large majority of Leaf fans have NO patience, it's sad really.
Yesterday was fun. I wish there was Leafs news every day of the summer.
3 weeks, 4 days ago on Friday Mashup: As the smoke clears for the Toronto Maple Leafs
I think some of the good news coming out of this off season is that most of the major improvements have been to teams in the West. The East should still be fairly wide open, and I would not be surprised if the Leafs are in the playoffs next season.
Once again, I think they will be fighting for 6-12 roughly.
@Cameron19 As much as I like the sounds of this, I think Vancouver still have the sense they can compete with the core pieces they have.
Sure they are shifting and trying to go younger, but I think they still like their core pieces and feel they have a shot to compete with a new goalie, etc.
I think this would be a great move. Another low risk high reward if he were willing to sign cheap.
3 weeks, 4 days ago on Troy Bodie re-signed to one-year deal by the Maple Leafs
@Dewy Keon Hogturd @The_Irv I hope you're right.
3 weeks, 5 days ago on Mike Santorelli signed by the Maple Leafs to 1-year, $1.5 million contract
@Dewy Keon Hogturd @The_Irv Well yea I would agree... However I think you could say that about most teams, most years.
Quality role players are very important to a team, and ultimately some of the kids will not work out as hoped for.
@Komas Taberle @lukethenuke AND the combined term from all three deals is hardly more than Bolland's new contract lol.
@Komas Taberle @Mitch_S2 Personally, although I like Kadri, I do not see this being enough at all.
Johansen is younger, and arguably more proven than Kadri already, and Franson is a Dman who most Leaf fans have been ripping on all off-season.
I think it's pretty obvious right now that the Leafs brass are trying to pick up players who play with heart and can help set the tone for the rest of the team.
For those worrying about the Komarov contract, I hope these short term, low salary bottom six deals are making people feel better.
The Leafs have filled out their roster, and will still have some cap space to play with if they can put together a deal for an impact Dman, or solid top six forward.
@RandomScrub @The_Irv Hmm.... Sounds alright to me!
Get the Finnish line going NoNo!
3 weeks, 5 days ago on Petri Kontiola Signs with Maple Leafs on a 1-year, $1.1 million deal
I don't know much about Hartikainen... Why do people keep bringing him up? What kind of role would he play?
I am personally really enjoying the Leafs off-season so far...
1. Draft the supposed mostly highly skilled offensive player in the draft - High Risk, High Reward (think we needed one of these guys in the system)
2. Sign Komarov and Kontiola for the price Kulemin signed for in New York. (Komarov maybe slightly overpaid, but I personally prefer him over Kulemin anyways).
3. Attempting to re-tool the entire back-end with new support players (Obvious Leafs management are trying to find a good mix to work alongside Phaneuf, Rielly and Gardiner). Still think they are trying to make another move for a Dman (Gorges would have been the move but are looking elsewhere now. Will re-sign Franson if nothing happens).
4. Opening up a couple of bottom six roles for Marlies players to try and fight for spots.
5. Trading for Frattin - Wasn't very happy moving D'Amigo, but I did really like Frattin before we moved him and think he could be a reliable third line winger with the ability to pot 15-20 goals a season. Struggled on other teams but I think he was comfortable in Toronto.
6. After signing RFAs will probably still have cap room left to make a deal to capitalize on a cap heavy team (FLYERS??)
This team still lacks a front line centre --> Stastny was not going to sign here, so play the continuous waiting game until someone becomes available (It's so rare so it's challenging, but no one is really available right now unless we want to mortgage the future).
They also lack a top pairing d-man but whose to say one of Rielly, or Gardiner can't start to assume this role in the next year or two?
Leafs management are sticking with the youth while trying to find reliable support players. When a trade that makes sense comes along (ie. Youth for youth) Nonis will do it. I love the long term route they are taking at the moment.
Maybe we can pluck one of Couturier, Schenn, or Voracek from the Flyers to help with their cap problem somehow?
This is going to be a fun year I think and I like the direction things are going. No need for a complete rebuild at this point because the core of this team is still very young and will hold value for a number of years yet to come.
Go Leafs Go!
I would. The center depth would drastically help this team. I like that he is strong defensively as well. You put him between jvr and Kessel he is back to a 70+ point player again IMO
1 month ago on Draft Day Two Wrap Up: Gunnarsson for Polak, offensive focus to Leafs’ draftees
This doesn't surprise me one bit. At the end of the night we will have the player we drafted at #8 and that's it.
Leafs aren't making moves.
1 month ago on (Draft Day Mashup) The Day Has Arrived
@Loric76 Is this fake account??
@DeclanK Hmmm... Interesting! Finally some news!
Man I love this time of year. It's so hard to get any work done....
The sad part is I bet we don't hear any Leafs news until draft day, except maybe the hiring of new assistant coaches.
1 month ago on (Monday Mashup) Schedule Released
Personally I think they would like both if they could manage to do so.
Stastny fills a void up the middle, while Boyle, although maybe not the ideal d man for this club, is a vet presence which I think this team sorely needs.
I know sometimes vets seem like a waste of cap space but I think the experience and dressing room presence can help transition younger teams faster. If it's a one or two year deal I don't mind having Boyle in the dressing room to groom Gardiner and Rielly
1 month, 1 week ago on (Friday Mashup) The Date before the Date
Just reading a few articles... As much as I like the sounds of one of Ekblad or Bennett, this draft makes me nervous trading up because it seems picks 1-5 could just be a crap shoot. I'm sure all players in the top 3-5 will be NHL players, but you have to wonder the value it would cost to move up in such an uncertain year....
Unless the plan is to start a more aggressive rebuild and hope we land another high pick next year but I don't see that happening...
LOL! That Sportsnet article posted down below is absolutely hilarious!
Gardiner, Kadri and the 8th for the 1st overall pick won't get the deal done... What a joke...Especially in a draft year when there is no consensus #1 pick.
1 month, 1 week ago on (Thursday Mashup) Silly Season
@Cloud09 @The_Irv @Bruffins Was he going to sign for 2-3 years?
He would have signed the deal Edmonton offered him (we would have been better off now that we know how this season went) but in hindsight when we got Clarkson most people thought we were a better team.
1 month, 1 week ago on (Wednesday Mashup) Leafs hit with a bonus overage charge
@Alec Brownscombe @The_Irv Bottom line was the term sucked for sure. But I think most people recognized that playing the FA game is risky and you have to overpay in one way or another.
I just looked back at the threads from when he signed, and most people thought the term was shitty, but most people were happy we landed him and thought we were going to have awesome line combinations, and felt he was a type of forward we badly needed.
@Mcost61 @Bruffins @The_Irv Yes the length is ridiculous. But how often do you see a free agent signing around the league that isn't ridiculous...
People were happy that the Leafs finally signed the top Free Agent available... And if he played the way he did in New Jersey we would all be thrilled right now...
Unfortunately he had a awful year..
@Bruffins @The_Irv Not many people liked the term, but people thought it was great we got him below the supposed 'going rate'.
Between posters and conversations I've had many people were happy and calling him a similar player to Clark.
I am so frustrated with this hate for Clarkson, and people saying it was such a bad signing.
He did have a bad year, so being upset with his play is justified, but people ripping on Nonis for the signing drive me insane.
At the time of the signing people were so happy about it, and complimented Nonis on getting him to sign at a hometown discount for that matter.
Sure the term was too long, but that's what happens with Free Agents, you either pay them the dollars, term, or both.
Unfortunately he didn't pan out the way he was supposed to but it's hard to judge Nonis for signing him. Most people would have done the same thing.
@DWCMLHS @BPsotka And to be honest, probably deserved to be further than 9 points out of the playoffs this year. The play this year was not inspiring at all.
1 month, 3 weeks ago on [Sunday Mashup] A Jumbo Rumour
@BPsotka @The_Irv @TheCanucksnaphook @Cameron19 But does finding a quality number #1 center (not saying schenn is at the moment but does have potential) not help solve other issues?
Is it just me or does Bozak not seem like a perfect third line center? He has the ability to play up in the lineup when necessary, can play PK and PP. Is reliable defensively, and good on draws, and helps immensely with shoot outs.
I think having someone to fill the #1 role, helps solve the bottom 6 of this lineup as well.
Just my opinion...
@TheCanucksnaphook @The_Irv @Cameron19 I'm not entirely pleased either, but for the future I think it's at least somewhat better than our current position.
@BPsotka @Cameron19 @TheCanucksnaphook @The_Irv In two years I suspect Schenn to be better than Bozak.
I would be shocked if he wasn't personally.
And I like Bozak, but he is what he is and would be much better suited to be a quality depth third line center who is good at putting up depth points, winning draws, and playing special teams.
@TheCanucksnaphook @Cameron19 @The_Irv I think he could be...
Personally if I have an option of Brayden Schenn or Bozak, I'm taking Schenn.
I understand that Bozak works well with Kessel, but if Kessel is an 8 million dollar player he should be able to play with other centers.
Bozak is a reliable player, but he shouldn't be a number one center. Leaf fans are comfortable with him, and say don't change something that is working, but adding a player with more talent to play alongside Kessel would hopefully make him that much better.
I think Bozie would be a great third line center for our team.
Personally I wouldn't mind seeing:
JVR - (Schenn?) - Kessel
Lupul - Kadri - ______
Komarov - Bozak - Clarkson
Ashton - Holland - D'Amigo
OR swap Schenn with Bozak. But ultimately for the long term Schenn is the better option over anyone like Bozak or Bolland IMO
@BPsotka I think that RC's use of player personnel was part of the reason the team struggled... IMO guys like Ashton, D'Amigo, Holland etc deserved to play.
As much as I respect players like Orr he just didn't deserve the ice time.
There was no support system in place on this team, especially once Bolland was lost to injury. The bottom six had almost no defined role players.
@Cameron19 @The_Irv Hm...
I'm trying to think of any young centers in a similar position...
It seems so bleak...
Getting one of Reinhart, Bennett or Draisaitl in this draft might be the best case scenario if the cost is somewhat reasonable.
I haven't spent much time watching Ryan Strome, but does he have the skill to become a legit #1 Centre? Is he similar to Kadri, or does he have even more upside?
If yes, then what kind of package would it take to get a player like Strome?
Fact is they need help on the backend, and already have a stud on the top line in Tavares. We have depth on defence with young players. Is this something we could consider?
Looking forward to some opinions.
@Reversethecurse13 @loomx I think they have a good chance.. It's just a tough draft because there is no consensus outright number #1 overall pick. These are still very talented players.
1 month, 3 weeks ago on Maple Leafs Assistant Coach Candidates: Craig Ramsay, Perry Pearn, Rick Tocchet
@Reversethecurse13 @The_Irv I agree. This really is the year to move up. Any of Bennett, Reinhart or Draisaitl would be great options. We need someone in the system we can start grooming.
Its painfully obvious that drafting is almost the only way to acquire a number one centre or Dman these days.
@Reversethecurse13 @The_Irv Yes exactly. Big Joe only makes sense if there is a plan for the next few years. Not worth acquiring him for a year or two to be competitive. He would be great if we had a prospect in the system who is very likely to be a number one center.
They would need another deal to make something happen though...
I could see the Leafs aiming for Big Joe if they were planning to move into the top three this draft, to groom a future number one center. Joe would have enough years left in him to take over the top line role until the young center is ready. Might be someone they are considering as captain material for a few years if they do decide to move Phaneuf this off season.
For some reason I just have a feeling the Leafs brass are going to address this #1 Center problem this summer. But it will most likely be a young centre needing a couple years to develop.
Either its a top 5 pick in the draft.
Or a deal surrounding Phaneuf going to a team like Florida, or somewhere like the Islanders.
Maybe a deal with NY surrounding Phaneuf and Strome or something? They already have a #1 Center locked up for years to come. We know they are looking for D, so it might be something that makes sense.
More pieces to the package, but surrounding those two players maybe... Just maybe....
@Gilbey93 @The_Irv Agreed. It just doesn't add up. If it was a draft year with a generational type talent then maybe, but it doesn't make sense this year.
As Simmsation says though, would be nice to get slightly higher for one of Bennett, Reinhart or Draisaitl....
I think all three could be #1 centers.
This draft really is challenging eh... Reinhart is now considered #1?
I thought for the most part Bennett and Ekblad were sitting in front of him?
Did Bennett drop to #4 because he can't do a pull-up lol?
Doesn't seem like the right year to trade up for the #1 overall pick.
If the Leafs truly were considering it for the package mentioned of Phaneuf, Kadri and the 8th overall, it just seems insane... Unless Florida is going to throw in another high end talent like Barkov or something.
@BPsotka @The_Irv @mike_84 @Waiting4LSC Well Bolland is pending if he truly is asking for 5mil a year...
2 months ago on Josh Ho-Sang Draft Profile
@mike_84 @The_Irv @Waiting4LSC Filling 2nd line RW should not be overly challenging.
If by chance the Leafs could sign Stastny because Colorado can't get him a fair deal...
JVR - Bozak - Kessel
Lupul - Stastny - Kadri
Komarov - Bolland - Clarkson
Ashton - Holland - D'Amigo (or any mix of some youth from the Marlies)
A part of me thinks Kadri will be more effective if he doesn't have to fill the responsibilities of a centre and just play the wing.
@Waiting4LSC Were there any reports about how much Leo was asking for?
Personally I would be more inclined to have Holland and Komarov play on the third line together if Bolland is truly asking for roughly 5mil a year...
However, if Bolland will sign for a reasonable contract I would like to see all three of them in the bottom six. I think Holland deserves a shot this year to stick with the team..
Maybe it's time to roll a fourth line that can really skate like Komarov - Holland - D'amigo or something..
Third line of Ashton - Bolland - Clarkson maybe... They are all fairly interchangeable and should provide some depth scoring. I'm tired of no production from our bottom six forwards.
@FrycersGhost Sounds awesome... I'm gonna watch some highlights when I get a chance.
2 months ago on Michael Dal Colle Draft Profile
@FrycersGhost And he plays centre?