Judith Christian-Carter
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A positive deviant who really likes to help people to learn, small business owner, dog owner, tennis and cricket fan.
C4LPTCraigTaylor74 I quite agree with you Jane as I'm not a millennial either! In fact, all this categorisation stuff about the behaviours, personalities and habits of generational groups leaves me cold and, thank goodness, has recently been shown to be largely a load of old tosh! Like you, I think it has far more to do with how a large number of people still see face-to-face training and presentations in terms of learning, and do not/cannot accept the way in which many of us have now changed in the way we learn. If I look back over the last 20 years the way I now learn is nothing like how I used to learn. I also need to add into that reflection all my work and life experiences as these too will, no doubt, have had a significant impact on this change.
timbuckteeth Craig, for me, Steve's response sums it up so well. I spent a sleepless night (not because of this discussion, I hasten to add) and in the course of it had sort of planned a response in my mind, only to find that I'd been beaten to it this morning. Over and out :-)
CraigTaylor74@robhubbard I think I may very well have misunderstood what you were conveying in your post Craig and, for which, I apologise. However, this does not excuse or hide the fact that these comments were made to you because, for the life of me, I can't see any differences exist between meetings, conferences and 'classroom'-based events. As Jane Hart has said already on Twitter, people should be allowed to use whatever devices they choose (and in whatever circumstances). IMO, the people who expressed such contrary views belong firmly in what Jane Hart has categorised as the 'Command and Control' brigade, a category that I regard to be synonymous with dinosaurs!
OMG Craig, I really can't believe this but as it comes from you I most definitely do. Fortunately, when I attended the BILD's Conference back in June I used my iPad to make notes and to send many tweets about what was taking place and NO one ever questioned me, showed they were concerned, etc. Mind you if they had, I very much doubt I would have been as charitable as you. Your recent experience at an ELN meeting simply astounds me and, yes, I am a member of this august body too! Knowing their new chairman, Rob Hubbard, very well, I'm sure he would be equally horrified at such outmoded and antediluvian views.
Craig, IMO you are spot on, as you will know if you've read my reply to you about the term instructional designer, only you have said it far more eloquently here! I wonder how long it will take before you get a response but I do hope most sincerely that you do get one.
CraigTaylor74 Oh definitely food for thought Craig. If you dissect the title 'Instructional Designer' then its application would appear to be very narrow, i.e. designing instruction irrespective of delivery method/media, with a very strong training connotation. However, I think what has happened over the last 30 years or so is that the title has developed to mean much more than this, as many contributors here have described. Therefore, for me, it's a matter of whether we go with the flow/title for the sake of consistency of use and understanding, or throw the proverbial baby out with the bath water and start out over again, in the knowledge that it will take some time for a new title to enter into common parlance. As L&D is accused, and rightly so IMO, of inventing on an almost continual basis trendy/nonsensical terms which do little to convince others outside its silo that it knows what it's doing, I am not convinced that spending the time and effort to find an alternative term for instructional designer is, at the moment, justified.
Thanks Craig for this timely reminder. This is a discussion which has been taking place for quite a while and each time we come back to ID. I agree with Meg's comments and whilst Rob is quite correct in saying that in the UK it's not easy to get a qualification in ID, I think it's important to remember that the situation is quite different in the US where there are many ID qualifications and even chairs of ID at some universities. I use the tag 'Instructional Designer' and I haven't found any clients who are put off by it; in many ways they seem to be reassured by it probably because it is something they can understand. Also, at the moment I'm looking for some ID eLearning work in the UK and have noticed a number of jobs advertised with 'Instructional Designer' in the job title. If the title was broke then we'd need to mend it, but I don't think it is, well not yet anyway.
OK call me confused but why/how have we come to this 'qualifications chase? I don't know Craig exactly what you have achieved/done in your past but I am amazed that recruiters can't see who you are and what you have done without having to cite your qualifications. "Taking your eye off the main chance" springs to mind as far as they and not you are concerned.
simbeckhampson You know, what I found when I taught was that the youngsters I was involved with behaved in a more adult manner than many teachers I knew. I bet, though, that once they entered the world of work that was soon drummed out of them. Like you, I think there is very little difference between the problems which are besetting education and the world of work.
I hope your meeting at the school goes well this evening and my apologies for not replying to you before now. My view of what needs to change in the educational system has never altered since I left teaching in 1985. In my teaching career I was extremely fortunate to be a Head of Department in a large and forward-thinking 11-18 comprehensive school in Berkshire, where I experienced at first hand just what could be achieved with an inspired head teacher and a supportive bunch of governors. Youngsters of all ages and abilities were treated with equal respect and their needs as human beings were always at the forefront. I left when the head teacher left as I could see what was likely to happen with his successor at the helm (and, unfortunately, I was not wrong) but as the years went on I realised that I couldn't go back to teaching because I would never find another school like it, plus in a very short time there was a national curriculum and so many standards and paper work that I could not go along with. You are quite correct though, as no one person can bring about the change required, but people power can and I do sense a growing dissatisfaction with the way things currently are, just as I do with learning generally, particularly in the corporate world.
Paul, I don't know about the educational system in Germany but if it's anything like that in the UK then it has probably got progressively controlled by those on the fringes (e.g. Governments) who set stupid and unrealistic standards at the expense of what is really in the best interests of youngsters. The only way forward that I can see is to break these controls and to put the responsibility for education firmly back into the hands of the professionals (i.e. the teachers) and the schools who are accountable to parents and not to governments.