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Let's be clear on something... Leafs can bottom out for 2 years, drafting Top 5. Or they can bottom out for 4 years, drafting Top 5. This depends on a number of factors:
- Our approach (does Shanny/Nonis/Ownership want a 5-7 year rebuild?)
- How quickly our draft picks and prospects develop
- Do we choose to sign any big name UFAs (again, approach)
How deep we choose to go with our rebuild will dictate the number of picks and prospects we stock.
For example, everyone uses Edmonton as the example of how not to build, but if they continue to draft Top 5, eventually, they will build a dynasty for the ages.
4 hours, 53 minutes ago on Ron Wilson: “Leafs Rebuild will take 7 or 8 years”
@Jay31 For me it's more anger, than freaking out. I mean, where the F was this fight in them when the 18 wheeler was going off the cliff?
Instead, they all tucked their tails and skulked away.
I hate this team as it is currently constituted.
1 day, 4 hours ago on Leafs Notebook – March 4
@Cartsy Imagine what it would take to trade up into the top 5? We would have been better off making a bad deal at the deadline.
Mirtle is a Class A Douche
1 day, 18 hours ago on GDT: Game #64, Toronto Maple Leafs at Florida Panthers (7:30 p.m., TSN4)
NOW this team decides to show up.
1 day, 19 hours ago on GDT: Game #64, Toronto Maple Leafs at Florida Panthers (7:30 p.m., TSN4)
@mtommy @dlbu dlbu E Tommy - I agree that the anger is misdirected, but it shouldn't be at themselves either. This is self-defeating.
The anger needs to be directed at the opposition. In the form of fighting back, and winning games.
Our best game this year was against Winnipeg a short while back. We fought them for every inch of the ice. That is how this team needs to direct it's anger.
2 days ago on Phil Kessel, Kyle Dubas speak out on media treatment in Toronto
@Alec Brownscombe @hawkeegooroo @DeclanK Alec... Just ban this knobshine and call it a day. Please.
@leafmealone Dion it's hard to say, but I cannot imagine a world in which Kessel wants to stay here.
@DeclanK @mcloki @17Forever @North Kariya And yet it has a massive readership. This tells you everything you need to know about people.
2 days, 1 hour ago on Phil Kessel, Kyle Dubas speak out on media treatment in Toronto
@Marleafs Well said.
@mr_hanie @.Kong. Fair comment.
@mcloki @TuckerForPunishment Nailed it. Nice job mcloki.
@Lescott Respect. That is really it in a nutshell. Well said.
2 days, 2 hours ago on Phil Kessel, Kyle Dubas speak out on media treatment in Toronto
@Radar O'Rielly @.Kong. @mtommy Think of how much better he could be if he took his offseason training/diet seriously.
@Radar O'Rielly @mtommy There's another way to look at this... How about, get off his ass, take his off-season seriously, go see Gary Roberts - Like Stamkos did - And put on 20 lbs of muscle. Then come to camp serious and determined, eating intelligently throughout the season.
Be a professional.
@Markovv55 This team should have gotten REALLY PISSED when the 18 wheeler started going off the tracks, and used the same level of passion in Kessel's interview - ON THE ICE.
Anger is good sometimes. We need to push back as human beings. The Leafs needed to push back on the Toronto media.
@Edward_Flannery @Radar O'Rielly Brian Burke failed miserably. BB had the best opportunity ever of building this team via D&D (Draft and Development), but because he is a brash American blow hard, he blew it.
@Xxxxxnew I don't want to hear Kessel talk. And frankly, I think the Leafs should have protected him from doing so a long time ago.
@Xxxxxnew Good point. The bottom line is, every aspect of this team is under a microscope. This is bad right now, because we don't have the intestinal fortitude to withstand that, but when we build a solid core of youngsters with heart, that same microscope will build these guys into heroes.
(Assuming Shanny and Nonis can pull this off, of course)
@Markovv55 @Yaknowwhat Precisely. Our top players do not have the mental fortitude to withstand the pressure in this market.
Leadership must exist at all levels of the team. Right now, they do not.
@Yaknowwhat I disagree. I don't believe this is an effort issue. I think this is primarily a chemistry and leadership issue. We have the talent, but this team does not play for each other.
My cousin is a big Montreal fan. He went out of his way the other day to tell me that the Toronto media is stupid for the way they treat this team.
And while he acknowledged that Montreal media could be harsh sometimes, that it was nowhere near how horrible the Toronto media was.
@hometeem @.Kong. @Potcy @Yan28 Don't say that too loud around these parts hometeem, you'll get comments like - "I'm glad you're not GM of the Maple Leafs"
2 days, 18 hours ago on Dave Nonis Post-Deadline Media Address
@Potcy @.Kong. @Yan28 I think I just didn't ask the question correctly... What I meant was... If those players were available today, do you think that other teams wouldn't have found a way to trade for them?
I really like Dallas Eakins, and sincerely hope the Leafs find a good job for him.
2 days, 19 hours ago on Dallas Eakins on Phaneuf, Leafs rebuild, Kadri and Gardiner
@Potcy @.Kong. @Yan28 Not a chance. Teams would have moved heaven and earth to bring one of those guys into the fold.
2 days, 19 hours ago on Dave Nonis Post-Deadline Media Address
@BringBackYushki @Potcy @Yan28 haha. Yes, he was a bastard for that.
@Bruffins @wendelsfist @mtommy @Potcy Not a chance.
@Potcy @.Kong. @Yan28 If one of those guys was named Kane, or Bergeron, or Malkin (for example), do you think they would still be on their respective teams?
@Jay31 @BringBackYushki @.Kong. I truly hope there is a rival GM that believes so - Despite his warts.
@BringBackYushki @.Kong. That is my concern. And I have gotten hammered on this board for voicing that opinion a few times now, but if a team really wanted one of those guys, they would have gone today.
@B_Leaf This is another good question going into next season... Does Shanny hire his own guy, or roll with Nonny?
@Potcy @wendelsfist Hopefully they all do.
@Potcy @Yan28 And Holzer.
OK... We're worse than a month ago, but still not bad enough in my opinion.
@Yan28 That's part of the problem. No, we aren't really. This team could still go on a mini-tear here and push us out of the 4 spot
Things are slowly starting to take shape, but I'm worried that
A) The Leafs could go on a bit of a tear and end up picking 5-6th
B) The Leafs are way behind in their rebuild with respect to teams like Buffalo, Edmonton, and Arizona
C) The league does not see Kessel, Phaneuf, JVR, Bozie, and Polak the way Nonis values them. I think we might be in for a rude awakening.
@Potcy Agreed. There is not much to watch for the remainder of this year. Furthermore, what is there to watch next year too?
I really don't think there are any Marlies that are ripe for the jump to the NHL.
@Jmessih As a Father of two... This is a really nice move by Jarmo. And it may pay off for him huge. Leopold is going to play his heart out for him.
@The_Polish_Cannon @.Kong. @wendelsfist I hear you, but I do't think he will be around long enough to help with our prospect development.
I suspect the Leafs will try to trade him before July, and worst case - Before next year's trade deadline as a rental.
Having said that, this is not a player who is going to be happy losing. He came from a good team, and was quoted saying that he was disappointed with the way things turned out.
@Jimmie Dorey @Potcy Thanks Jimmy.
That's a lot of cap room.
If I had to guess, I would think the Leafs will use that cap room to bring in some decent players, in hopes that they become next year's Winnik/Santorelli
@Jay31 @Mitch92 @.Kong. I agree. Though I personally see Dion Phaneuf as a $4.5M defenseman.
@Potcy @.Kong. I would grade today as a C
I would grade the moves overall as a B
@Jay31 @.Kong. Yes. That was good. But it was just fixing a mistake. I was really hoping we might get something more substantive done.
@wendelsfist @.Kong. Likewise. I was really hoping we would find a way to move one of the so-called core pieces.
I am also disappointed that we weren't able to move Polak. This strikes me as strange. Either Toronto way over-valued him, or they decided to keep him.
@wendelsfist A bunch of warm bodies that ensure we pick 1st overall next summer.
So... What is the general consensus on the board today?
Are we happy with what we've done?
Are we dissatisfied?
@djamon @.Kong. People - Yourself included apparently - Are completely delusional about this player.
You will see, come October 1st 2015, when he's lacing them up for the Leafs again. Because there is a snowballs chance in hell that the Leafs unload his ridiculous contract.
If I am wrong, I will eat my socks.
3 days, 3 hours ago on Deadline Thread II: Dion Phaneuf to Detroit Rumours
@Xxxxxnew Poor example.
@In it to Winnik @Luke_R I'm guessing that is the same face he makes just after the roofies kick in...
3 days, 4 hours ago on Deadline Thread II: Dion Phaneuf to Detroit Rumours
@Had Phaneuf of you @djamon Bingo.
You are 100% correct sir.