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@Burtonboy

i can't tell if it's at odds without assuming Horachek's meaning.

what does "get it" mean?

could mean a lot of things to a lot of different coaches.  I'm sure Befry has his idea of what "playing the right way" is too.  is it "playing safe"?  and what is that, simply not handling pucks at blue lines?

i don't have enough information.

15 hours, 16 minutes ago on Monday Mashup: Connor Brown has 4pt game, Nylander adds goal+assist in Marlies win over Rochester

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@Burtonboy 

i like hearing this.  tells me they're letting the kids evolve instead of slotting them into career roles prematurely.  putting the team and player before the coach. 

or did i misunderstand?  hehe

15 hours, 36 minutes ago on Monday Mashup: Connor Brown has 4pt game, Nylander adds goal+assist in Marlies win over Rochester

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@Dangle_My_Berries 

best part was his reaction afterwards.  insinuated "how bad could it have been, he didn't miss a game.  pfft." haha

15 hours, 45 minutes ago on Monday Mashup: Connor Brown has 4pt game, Nylander adds goal+assist in Marlies win over Rochester

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@Xxxxxnew 

yeah, i think a lot of us have worn them out.  too much excitement this year.  eh?

15 hours, 46 minutes ago on Monday Mashup: Connor Brown has 4pt game, Nylander adds goal+assist in Marlies win over Rochester

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@Burtonboy 

at the end he more or less just blamed the coach when his GM decision didn't work out. other people might have been called out on that.

I'm sure Dubas has a lot more substance than 20 minutes was able to show here.  i just wish it was more profound.  i want to be a fan of the guy.  I'm still in show me more mode, though.

15 hours, 49 minutes ago on Monday Mashup: Connor Brown has 4pt game, Nylander adds goal+assist in Marlies win over Rochester

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@Burtonboy 

i was expecting something more

all he's done is remind us that not every scout's opinion is equal.

replace a bad scout with data to analyze...sure, why not?  unless you find a guy who has a track record of success.

16 hours, 5 minutes ago on Monday Mashup: Connor Brown has 4pt game, Nylander adds goal+assist in Marlies win over Rochester

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@Ze_theLeafsFan

meaning...McDavid is 8 months younger...

taking my like back. edit edit edit

16 hours, 54 minutes ago on Monday Mashup: Connor Brown has 4pt game, Nylander adds goal+assist in Marlies win over Rochester

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@CherryPicking

game-breakers come in different shapes and sizes

Letang and Kronwall are different player types who impact a game nonetheless

Loov has speed and size and a physical edge ... he has the tools to be in that same sentence

17 hours, 45 minutes ago on Monday Mashup: Connor Brown has 4pt game, Nylander adds goal+assist in Marlies win over Rochester

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@djamon

the next year, two months ago, was Marner, Crouse and Strome.  lists get altered over time.

17 hours, 49 minutes ago on Monday Mashup: Connor Brown has 4pt game, Nylander adds goal+assist in Marlies win over Rochester

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@djamon

I'm bringing this up because I don't ignore draft rankings.  Hanifin has been that 3rd guy for a long time.  he's held that position by default for a while now, and players behind him in the rankings have grown on people.

happens every year.

Seth Jones was neck and neck with MacKinnon two years ago.  what happened?  did he play himself down the list or did Barkov simply play himself up the list?

some have even started listing Hanifin as the 2nd best D in the draft.

remember Rielly going 5th?  there's a lot going on in the world of prospects right now.  does the college hockey playoff excite scouts like the road to the Memorial Cup?

17 hours, 50 minutes ago on Monday Mashup: Connor Brown has 4pt game, Nylander adds goal+assist in Marlies win over Rochester

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@djamon

that come-from-behind win to spoil Ottawa's party didn't scare the shit out of you in regards to the tank?

when this group of Leafs feels loose and content, they sometimes get unbeatable.  we're kinda due for ridiculous goaltending too, don't you think?

can CAR win 4 more games to keep pace with our winning streak?

17 hours, 53 minutes ago on Monday Mashup: Connor Brown has 4pt game, Nylander adds goal+assist in Marlies win over Rochester

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@CherryPicking

on D, I think we have Valiev, Loov with tools to become something excellent, though there's no way of promising anything.

Nilson and Percy I still like, too.

Rielly and Loov are really the only ones that scream game-breaker to me, and it's still just a hope.

the forwards, similar discussion.  can the smallish skilled guys translate their games to the next level?  possibly.  Leivo might have a better NHL career, though, and he's looking more like a good top 9 winger than a replacement for Lupul.

Johnson and other unknowns could emerge.  but it's all so much about hope right now.  Nylander might be the one guy who will surely be a top 6 forward, but will he be the best player on his line one day/

17 hours, 55 minutes ago on Monday Mashup: Connor Brown has 4pt game, Nylander adds goal+assist in Marlies win over Rochester

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@cryptotho

there's a chance we finish in 5th and then someone below us wins the lottery too.

I'm just wondering, even if we pick 3rd...what exactly does our draft board look like?

Eichel and McDavid are almost certainly top 2 on 30 teams' lists, right?  probably.  but there's always an exception.  maybe this year's the exception where there is no exception.

18 hours ago on Monday Mashup: Connor Brown has 4pt game, Nylander adds goal+assist in Marlies win over Rochester

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@CherryPicking

as far as D with game-breaking top pair potential...yep.

I'm torn on building from the net out versus down the middle now.  I was always a D guy.

I think, ultimately, you look at the players and pick the one that will be the best player, irregardless the position.  I guess that never changes.

where teams get lucky or unlucky, maybe, is when that best player happens top be a winger.  I wonder if the best drafting teams pass up on that best player at that time and then go with the best player at C or D.  or something.


18 hours, 2 minutes ago on Monday Mashup: Connor Brown has 4pt game, Nylander adds goal+assist in Marlies win over Rochester

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@djamon

when I read things like this, it doesn't really compare him to Hanifin or others...but if this is what Hunter or someone else gets excited about, maybe they rank him before Strome and Marner even.

I remember FLA took Barkov early on and NAS ended up with Jones a few picks later...this feels like it could have that potential

http://thehockeywriters.com/mathew-barzal-nhl-draft-war-room-profile/

18 hours, 9 minutes ago on Monday Mashup: Connor Brown has 4pt game, Nylander adds goal+assist in Marlies win over Rochester

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@djamon

I don't know...I could see us drafting 5th, with Marner and Strome going sooner, leaving us to choose between Hanifin and someone else.

I'm not convinced that we'll leave a player to develop another year where he is, when Hunter and others are scouting so many CHL players, for instance.  big, skilled centre, Barzal?  is that what he is?

18 hours, 11 minutes ago on Monday Mashup: Connor Brown has 4pt game, Nylander adds goal+assist in Marlies win over Rochester

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@Burtonboy

I think there's plenty in terms of assets, though.  just need to make saavy, perhaps difficult and unpopular personnel decisions.  things that prove to be great moves two years from now at the risk of looking curious now.

18 hours, 14 minutes ago on Monday Mashup: Connor Brown has 4pt game, Nylander adds goal+assist in Marlies win over Rochester

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I wouldn't be shocked if we don't end up with Strome, Hanifin or Marner ... the way draft talk is playing out.  I can see how some teams might like Strome and Marner more and more.  i can picture Hanifin dropping a little based on uncertainty or over-thinking.  was it Barzal that Hunter mentioned?  I can't remember.  at the time I shrugged.  maybe it wasn't misdirection.

18 hours, 15 minutes ago on Monday Mashup: Connor Brown has 4pt game, Nylander adds goal+assist in Marlies win over Rochester

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@CherryPicking

I think he just wants to be able to cheer for the Leafs again

I could picture George Strombowhatalicious poking him about his Habs success too.

(he always reminds me of the little brother who had to tag along acause mom had to work early)

18 hours, 19 minutes ago on Monday Mashup: Connor Brown has 4pt game, Nylander adds goal+assist in Marlies win over Rochester

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@Burtonboy

that's only half the top 10.

so it's good for half the league, not the other half

on the other hand, the bottom 10 teams on this list might be more impressive and look in fine shape going forward still.

for some teams, those under 24 year olds will replace the veterans as the team leaders.  on other teams they compliment them.

either way, I don't like where we sit.  we have literally a small handful of under 24 year olds who we HOPE become excellent NHL team leaders and core members of a winning team.  I don't like that at all.

18 hours, 22 minutes ago on Monday Mashup: Connor Brown has 4pt game, Nylander adds goal+assist in Marlies win over Rochester

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@Marlies Man 

with Cherry, think more who is he sticking up for moreso than who he's sticking it to

18 hours, 30 minutes ago on Monday Mashup: Connor Brown has 4pt game, Nylander adds goal+assist in Marlies win over Rochester

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@Xxxxxnew 

would it make sense for the team with the #1 pick?

Leafs should trade Kessel for Marner, Phanuef for Hanifin, then draft Strome.

1 day, 17 hours ago on Game 76 Scoring Chances: Maple Leafs 4 vs. Senators 3 (OT)

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@Knights2Leafs

you're dealing with absolutes, but I'm saying you can't ignore the relevance or weight of his opinion just because it's hypocritical

1 day, 17 hours ago on Game 76 Scoring Chances: Maple Leafs 4 vs. Senators 3 (OT)

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@Sebastian James 

similar discussion regarding Biggs, Sill and Booth types up front next year.  do you try to give these guys a chance or do you sign some Winnik and Santorelli types instead?

1 day, 19 hours ago on Game 76 Scoring Chances: Maple Leafs 4 vs. Senators 3 (OT)

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@Sebastian James 

he's one of the more consistent Marlies imo.

Brewer-Franson

Rielly-Mikkelson

MacWilliam-Polak

it's a good "rebuilding" roster haha


1 day, 19 hours ago on Game 76 Scoring Chances: Maple Leafs 4 vs. Senators 3 (OT)

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@Knights2Leafs

being hypocritical doesn't really have any bearing on how accurate he is in judging someone else.  it could actually give him more insight than someone who can't relate.

sometimes we give the toughest love to people who remind us of ourselves, as we watch them make the same mistakes we know we made.

1 day, 19 hours ago on Game 76 Scoring Chances: Maple Leafs 4 vs. Senators 3 (OT)

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McDavid 1st.

Eichel 2nd, right?  so far everyone agree?  maybe not.

I get the sense from Leafs fans here that if we could choose between any player other than McDavid, Strome is more and more becoming the guy.

but maybe that's just because Eichel and Hanifin are assumed to be out of our wheelhouse with the 4th pick.



1 day, 19 hours ago on Game 76 Scoring Chances: Maple Leafs 4 vs. Senators 3 (OT)

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@Knights2Leafs

I liked listening to him the other day.  he was talking about regrets.

I have lots of time for the guy.  I don't care what he was as a player so much as what he offers now, because it's the things he's talking about now that matter now.

1 day, 19 hours ago on Game 76 Scoring Chances: Maple Leafs 4 vs. Senators 3 (OT)

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@Cameron19

he does as well as just about any of the other people who try to analyze

1 day, 19 hours ago on Game 76 Scoring Chances: Maple Leafs 4 vs. Senators 3 (OT)

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if ARI LOVES the idea of picking Marner, maybe they'd be open to trade down a couple of slots if we sweetened the deal with JVR and Gardiner, hint hint, nudge nudge

3 days, 20 hours ago on Game 75 Scoring Chances: Panthers 4 vs. Maple Leafs 1

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@golieguy19

right.  but it's less fun

3 days, 20 hours ago on Game 75 Scoring Chances: Panthers 4 vs. Maple Leafs 1

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@MaxwellHowe 

there are lots of examples of players not panning out too, though

it's a tougher transition for a defenseman.

personally, i like the idea of building with top tier defenders and down the middle.  the wing is really the last place i think we need to focus on.  unless there's a Jagr-Selanne-MartySTL player there, then it becomes a discussion.

3 days, 20 hours ago on Game 75 Scoring Chances: Panthers 4 vs. Maple Leafs 1

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@MaxwellHowe

i agree.  but Dubas and Shanahan give me that sense.  always check the temperature before pulling the meat out.

3 days, 20 hours ago on Game 75 Scoring Chances: Panthers 4 vs. Maple Leafs 1

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@Zep2

i was thinking more like Buffalo's rich owner

I'd rather not dwell on our own futility ... time for someone else to take a chance for our benefit

3 days, 20 hours ago on Game 75 Scoring Chances: Panthers 4 vs. Maple Leafs 1

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EDM should trade us their 1st rounder this year plus Slepyshev

we'd send them JVR, Gardiner, Kadri and Bernier.

tweak it until it makes sense for both teams.

i had to go ridiculous because they'd be giving up Hanifin or Eichel or Strome or Marner.  and we'd end up with 2 of them.

3 days, 20 hours ago on Game 75 Scoring Chances: Panthers 4 vs. Maple Leafs 1

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@Zep2

i don't disagree

but...all it takes is one person to think outside the box

3 days, 20 hours ago on Game 75 Scoring Chances: Panthers 4 vs. Maple Leafs 1

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@MaxwellHowe

i think it's a tough call and I'm a big fan of the D

Marty St Louis or Rafalski?


couple of other factors

- this market doesn't have the appetite for going much longer without a top centre (i know you said winger vs defender)

- D have a tougher time rising to the top, and it's commonly a longer arch ... this market has no patience for player development irregardless what it pretends

3 days, 20 hours ago on Game 75 Scoring Chances: Panthers 4 vs. Maple Leafs 1

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@traNsplantEdneWfie

probably not...but there are some people who think Eichel is as good or better than McDavid still.

the American thing, plus another high ceiling prospect (let's say that Barzal kid or whoever) ... we'd feel excited about getting McDavid, but we'd probably also keep an eye on who we traded away (it's our nature)

not Barzal, Zacha?  who's in the 20 range?

3 days, 21 hours ago on Game 75 Scoring Chances: Panthers 4 vs. Maple Leafs 1

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@traNsplantEdneWfie 

what if...

ARI picks Marner (the London connection hehe)

and EDM likes Hanifin (the D idea)

do we draft Eichel or Strome?

well, Eichel is supposed to be too good to drop that far.  so, we have a little deal with BUF ... if that crazy scenario plays out

to BUF: Eichel, NAS pick

to TOR: McDavid

let's say we wait until it's time to make a selection with that NAS pick, and some names are there that people have talked about.  we make that trade.  we're happy right?  elated?  or wondering what if?

Eichel in Buffalo and McDavid in Toronto just seems like the right thing to do, doesn't it?

3 days, 21 hours ago on Game 75 Scoring Chances: Panthers 4 vs. Maple Leafs 1

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@traNsplantEdneWfie 

i think that's something to smile about

3 days, 21 hours ago on Game 75 Scoring Chances: Panthers 4 vs. Maple Leafs 1

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@Komas Taberle

offer another 1 year deal then

depends on what we want him for, to win with or just to hold a roster spot for a couple of years and be someone we might be able to trade at a deadline some day for a 3rd round pick

3 days, 21 hours ago on Game 75 Scoring Chances: Panthers 4 vs. Maple Leafs 1

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