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@leafsinsix @4evrblue @Savo43 @quintensmids @dlb eh LOL, Burke gets 100% of the credit if you're talking about who built the playoff team last year, even if he did hire randy "jerkoff" carlyle
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@dlb eh @quintensmids if you DOUBT that Nonis would accept anything less than a king's ransom (implying that you believe that he would only settle for a king's ransom), you have too much faith in Nonis.
Personally I believe that's the only way we should trade Dion, but doubt Nonis is smart enough to realize that.
People doubting that the Leafs would trade Phaneuf without getting a king's ransom have too much faith in Nonis IMO.
@GeorgeCastanza @quintensmids @canuckintheuk im just saying "you have to overpay" is probably not the smartest motto for a gm to live by.. Possibly on a true core piece like a 1c or 1d, but for a 2nd/3rd line winger, I dont think overpaying is the smartest.
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@GeorgeCastanza @quintensmids @canuckintheuk ottawa didn't have to overpay to get mac...
@GeorgeCastanza @quintensmids @canuckintheuk im arguing that there is no quantifiable 2M, 5 year worth difference between the two players.
@canuckintheuk @quintensmids @GeorgeCastanza corsi takes that into account man. It takes into account the quality of your teammates, your competition, and the performance of your team when youre on the bench.
@GeorgeCastanza @quintensmids @canuckintheuk stats like goals and assists should be taken with a grain of salt, as they result from one play, but corsi is consistently being tracked all game. and these stats show that when clarke is on the ice, the puck tends to drift toward the other team's end.
@GeorgeCastanza @quintensmids @canuckintheuk if he doesn't keep possession for long why do his stats say that is EXACTLY what he does, with great consistency?
@canuckintheuk @quintensmids @GeorgeCastanza just because some people would rather overpay for grit, doesn't make it the right choice.
@canuckintheuk @GeorgeCastanza @quintensmids well, when he's being "invisible", he's still one of the league's best at driving the play into the other team's end.
@GeorgeCastanza @quintensmids @canuckintheuk who's to say Mac didn't play a role those years. Also, you forget that Kuly's offense was nowhere to be seen the next season. Also, I believe Clarkson's linemates over the last 2 years have been Elias/Henrique, and I have no idea who he played with primarily the season before that.
@canuckintheuk @quintensmids @GeorgeCastanza if you believe everything the media tells you and totally trust their opinion, our conversation is over.
@canuckintheuk @GeorgeCastanza @quintensmids I'm not even arguing Mac is a better player than Clarkson, I think they're about equal, and that MAYBE clarkson is very slightly better than Mac A. However, there is no reasonable way you can rationalize paying him 2M more over 5 more years than Mac A
@GeorgeCastanza @quintensmids @canuckintheuk yet he still produced more ppg than clarkson over that time.. with similar possession numbers. so basically Mac playing thru injuries is better than Clarkson playing healthy.
@GeorgeCastanza @quintensmids @canuckintheuk in the last 3 years, Mac has averaged less than 7 games injured. Safe to say he isn't at all an injury risk.
@GeorgeCastanza @quintensmids @canuckintheuk
Obviously, you have to look at CorsiRel and CorsiRel QoC, not to mention Ozone start and finish %, because Mac played on one of the worst while DC played on the third best possession teams. As you can see, they're essentially equal players in terms of possession, with a slight edge to Mac on offensive skill, and an edge to Clarkson in grit, IMO.
@GeorgeCastanza @quintensmids @canuckintheuk will do.
@Tim Horton @quintensmids @Walter_White @Cloud09 yup, they do share some value, but definitely not 2M and 5 years more value.
@GeorgeCastanza @quintensmids @canuckintheuk wow, what a mature way to continue a debate. At least there are facts (stats) to back up my argument. And I don't know what you mean by puck heavy but if you mean puck possession, he is one of the league's best puck possession players.
It just bothers me that some people refuse to even consider that some of Nonis' moves may not work out.
@GeorgeCastanza partially, but its also cause his fucknut coach stupidly benched him in favor of a coke machine (McLaren)
@GeorgeCastanza @quintensmids @canuckintheuk
45games/23pts: Higher than Clarkson's .5PPG. For 5 less years and 2M/ year less, gimme Mac
@canuckintheuk @quintensmids @T_Ry @Walter_White @.Kong. Just saying GAA and W/L are much more a facet of team play rather than solely individual play by the goalies. Its quite simple
@GeorgeCastanza @quintensmids @canuckintheuk you neglect to mention that clarkson played 48 games to Mac's 40...
when you include Mac's 3 pts in 5 playoff games, he outscored Clarkson by PPG
@GeorgeCastanza @quintensmids @Xxxxxnew @Walter_White quote a fact that i have lied or BS'd?
@T_Ry @quintensmids @Walter_White @.Kong. so, you say I'm lying and BSing I prove myself FACTUALLY CORRECT. To which you respond by making excuses for your golden boy.. GAA is a team stat.. For example, Bernier faced NINE less shots than Reimer this year, so is it fair to compare their GAA? Not at all.
@canuckintheuk @quintensmids that year Clarkson had 46 points, while Mac A had 43, in 7 fewer games, and it was considered a disappointing year for him, while Clarkson's was considered a career season
@GeorgeCastanza @quintensmids Clarkson played with Henrique/Elias, Mac had a revolving door of linemates (including Kadri, I will admit, however he FLOURISHED in that role.)
@canuckintheuk @quintensmids @Xxxxxnew @Walter_White that has more to do with his wedding this weekend.. doubt siging a deal would be his no. 1 focus this wknd
@canuckintheuk @T_Ry @quintensmids @Walter_White @.Kong. look at my post and tell me that's factually incorrect. 100% truth bud.
@T_Ry @quintensmids @Walter_White @.Kong. LOLOLOL
A SV% diff. of .002.. that's worth Frattin, a 2nd and 2M in cap space eh?
@Xxxxxnew @quintensmids @Walter_White yes, he made it through waivers, because GMs knew that if they let him slip thru waivers at 5.5M, he'd go UFA and they'd be able to sign him for much cheaper. It's not rocket science.
@Walter_White @quintensmids Its funny how ppl use "BUT LYKE WE MAYDE THE PLAYOFFS!!1" as defense for Carlyle, while wanting to replace Reimer with Bernier, totally ignoring the fact that Reimer was FAR more instrumental to making the playoffs than Carlye.
@T_Ry @Walter_White @quintensmids @.Kong. their career SV% is nearly identical buddy. Its not overvaluing its called stats.
@Walter_White @quintensmids @.Kong.
Re: Bolland/Grabo: If you're talking shutdown roles, then the comparison would be Grabo vs. Bozie in and offensive role. One grabo wins every time.
Has d'Amigo played an NHL game? How do you know AT ALL that he's not a downgrade on Frattin?
Clarkson has been outscored by Mac in pts/game by far the last 3 seasons (and the rest of their careers)
And there is no statistical evidence to say Bernier is a big upgrade on Scrivens as a backup, which he SHOULD be, if Nonis/Carlyle have brains. 2M more for a minor, minor backup upgrade.. OH JOY
@Walter_White @quintensmids @Tim Horton @Cloud09 would you be happy to pay someone 5.25M to score 46 points? because he'd need a career year to do otherwise.
@quintensmids clarkson has never outscored mac and costs 2m more. both are great possession players, one is 2m cheaper. case closed IMO.
@.Kong. @quintensmids how is the team better? That team was buuilt by BUrke and absolutely CARRIED by Reimer, drafted by JFJ.
In what way, shape or form are we any better?
Grabo>BollandFrattin>Ashton/some other AHLerClarkson=MacBernier=Scrivens
Bernier and Clarkson MAY, I repeat MAY be slightly better than Mac and Scrivens, but also cost 4M more, which could have been used elsewhere.
@Pent_House @quintensmids we'll see soon enough who's correct. Hope like HELL that I'm wrong, but I see no reasonable way that I can be, other than shit luck in our favour.
@Xxxxxnew @quintensmids Clarkson is also signed for 5 more years at 2M more, to produce less points, while not driving possession any better. High price to pay for some imaginary intangibles, IMO.
@.Kong. @quintensmids Crying, more like it. I'm as big a Leafs fan as there is, but I'm a realist too. And as long as Nonis and RC are at the helm, we will NEVER come close to winning a damn thing.
@Walter_White @quintensmids @Tim Horton @Cloud09 It's not a matter of opinion, its a matter of looking at stats and evidence to make a decision.
@Walter_White @quintensmids How is the top 6 or bottom six better at all? Bernier is a marginal at best improvement on Scrivens, at a 2M higher cap hit. Brilliant work, Blownis.
@Walter_White @quintensmids @Tim Horton @Cloud09 no, we shouldn't overpay for aging players with intangibles. Got it?
@Walter_White @Tim Horton @quintensmids @Cloud09 actually, he didn't suck last year. He put the same amount of even strength points as Blowzak (who had a CAREER year, in comparison to Grabo's career WORST year) playing less minutes, playing against top lines and with players like Kuly + McClement (no offense to those 2) rather than one of the top 5 offensive threats in the league. He was HORRIBLY misused by an absolutely HORRIBLE coach.
@Tim Horton @quintensmids couldn't agree with you more buddy. The negative impact of Nonis' UFA signings (save for the horrendous Bozak deal) won't be felt right now, but have set us up for genuine cap hell next year.
@Tim Horton @Walter_White @quintensmids @Cloud09 you just proved my point with Clarkson. Yeah, Komi was one of the most sought after FA for his "intangibles" much like Clarkson, we signed him to a shorter, cheaper deal than Clarkson at a younger age no less, and that deal has been HELL for us and we just bought it out.
@Cloud09 @quintensmids similar in style, maybe, but Roberts had far more offensive ability than Clarkson could ever dream of having. And if Roberts had the numbers Clarkson had at age 34, there is no way he'd be getting 5.25M from me.
Clarkson will produce like Roberts did around age 35 for the next 2-3 years, but then will inevitably decline, at which point he'll be getting 5.25M from age 33-36 to produce from 25-40 pts, IMO
Coming into the summer, our biggest needs were a 1C and 1D. Nonis has brought us FURTHER from accomplishing those goals with his foolish signings. He got ride of a versatile 2nd/3rd line winger who was willing to take a cheap contract in MacA, only to foolishly sign an extremely similar (in team value) player who is 2 years older to a 7 year deal worth 2M more per season.
THEN, he traded for a goalie (who we don't need), only to pay him 2M+ more per season than the previous backup goalie, which will limit our ability to resign Kessel/Dion/Gards and search for upgrades.
Bottom 3 GM in the league, without a doubt.