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@Greg Fenton @LN-093 @Pent_House @Cameron19 I'm just saying there's a greater chance of Tavares returning to Toronto from NY than there is if he was playing in California.  If there's any chance at all.

16 hours, 21 minutes ago on Thursday Mashup: Analytics, Analytics… Nothing but Analytics

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@ingy56 @LN-093 @Burtonboy And this people would argue is why he's leaving, to give his daughter yet another chance at winning an NFL franchise.  The rumour is he is going to the Clippers so let's see.

16 hours, 23 minutes ago on Thursday Mashup: Analytics, Analytics… Nothing but Analytics

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@Loric76 @Xxxxxnew Major League soccer averages 30,000 people in their seats however.  If Leiweke's proposed expansion happens they could easily fill that if the TFC plays well.  

16 hours, 24 minutes ago on Thursday Mashup: Analytics, Analytics… Nothing but Analytics

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@ingy56 @Burtonboy @LN-093 Tim's daughter was apparently heavily involved with the Bills' bid.  I could see him taking this job to help his daughter out.  I still see this as Cope/ Tanenbaum's fault no matter how they spin it lol.

16 hours, 26 minutes ago on Thursday Mashup: Analytics, Analytics… Nothing but Analytics

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@ingy56 @LN-093 @Xxxxxnew Ah they still have the teachers PPP stink on them though ;).

16 hours, 29 minutes ago on Thursday Mashup: Analytics, Analytics… Nothing but Analytics

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@Burtonboy So the only reason he came here was to get the Bills?  And now that that's "doomed" he's out of here?  I don't buy it.

16 hours, 37 minutes ago on Thursday Mashup: Analytics, Analytics… Nothing but Analytics

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@Xxxxxnew The new "Pit of Snakes"!   Hello.

16 hours, 40 minutes ago on Thursday Mashup: Analytics, Analytics… Nothing but Analytics

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@Greg Fenton @LN-093 @Pent_House @Cameron19 New York has been said to be the city with the most misery in the U.S.  Hopefully that misery rubs off on him.

16 hours, 41 minutes ago on Thursday Mashup: Analytics, Analytics… Nothing but Analytics

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@Pent_House @Cameron19 Joe is on his retirement plan.  6.75 million to live on the sunny California coast for 3 years.  Ain't no way of getting Joe to waive his NTC.  Thank god Tavares isn't playing on a team in California, he'd never return to Canada either.

16 hours, 47 minutes ago on Thursday Mashup: Analytics, Analytics… Nothing but Analytics

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@Greg Fenton @LN-093 The raptors have 17 players signed for 16 spots or something, they're going to make cuts so the present team salary doesn't count.  Please find me a year that they spent at/ over the luxury tax threshold.

16 hours, 58 minutes ago on Thursday Mashup: Analytics, Analytics… Nothing but Analytics

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@Greg Fenton @LN-093 They've never spent to the cap with the raptors.  I've never looked it up but I'm pretty sure they weren't even close to the luxury tax.

17 hours, 5 minutes ago on Thursday Mashup: Analytics, Analytics… Nothing but Analytics

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I think what it came down to was Leiweke was too big a spender.  MLSE has always been about: making money and not spending money.  Leiweke spent 100 million on 2 soccer players, wanted to buy the Argos, wanted to make a 60,000 seat stadium for the TFC/ Argos and to house the future outdoor game.  He wanted all star games, the Bills to come to Toronto, so on.   He was too grandiose for the penny pinching MSLE.  MLSE was too cheap/ shortsighted for Leiweke and Leiweke was too ambitious/ money spender for MLSE.  I'm still surprised his presidency only lasted 1 maybe 2 years.

17 hours, 8 minutes ago on Thursday Mashup: Analytics, Analytics… Nothing but Analytics

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@NinetyThree @Cameron19 You're fourteen.  I have ESP.

17 hours, 19 minutes ago on Thursday Mashup: Analytics, Analytics… Nothing but Analytics

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@Cameron19 Poor English on the interwebs is perfectly acceptable.

17 hours, 21 minutes ago on Thursday Mashup: Analytics, Analytics… Nothing but Analytics

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@Greg Fenton @LN-093 I guess "entering their prime" is an expression nowadays of the peak physical/ maturity years of an athlete?  I would think 26 to 33 would be that range?

17 hours, 23 minutes ago on Thursday Mashup: Analytics, Analytics… Nothing but Analytics

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@Cameron19 @Xxxxxnew Here's a free tip for you MLHS'ers.  A friend of mine told me years ago if you go to the tracks just bet on whatever horse Patrick Husbands is riding.  I was recently watching the Queen's plate and guess who was riding the winning horse?  Patrick Husbands.

17 hours, 29 minutes ago on Thursday Mashup: Analytics, Analytics… Nothing but Analytics

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@Mcost61 @LN-093 @Burtonboy

Mark Cohon sounds like an interesting possibility (what a coincidence he just quit the CFL).  He grew up in Toronto, maybe he's a Leafs fan??

17 hours, 47 minutes ago on Thursday Mashup: Analytics, Analytics… Nothing but Analytics

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@Burtonboy Peddie said it wasn't easy. He said he clashed for about a year with MLSE board chair Larry Tanenbaum. "We had issues for about 12 months, it wasn't easy," Peddie said, declining to elaborate. "I think now with Bell and Rogers both owning the company the job has only become more challenging. You need someone who really knows his way around a company. I had been a president with five different companies before I was hired by MLSE and it still wasn't easy."


Someone mentioned Tanenbaum could be one of the villains at MLSE, sounds about right.

17 hours, 50 minutes ago on Thursday Mashup: Analytics, Analytics… Nothing but Analytics

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@Greg Fenton @deedrag @LN-093 How do you know what the "management wanted"?  All I know is that the leafs were not at the top of spending in the league while the teachers owned the Leafs.

17 hours, 57 minutes ago on Thursday Mashup: Analytics, Analytics… Nothing but Analytics

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Here's some good news for a change.  Islanders with a new owner.  Tavares will only be 26  when is contract is up in 4 years and Stamkos will be 26 when his expires in 2 years.   Both entering their prime, forget about Jumbo Joe.

18 hours, 3 minutes ago on Thursday Mashup: Analytics, Analytics… Nothing but Analytics

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@loomx The Sharks are going to do everything they can to make Joe waive his NTC eh?  He just smiles and thinks "I'm living in paradise!  Look at that coast!"

18 hours, 8 minutes ago on Thursday Mashup: Analytics, Analytics… Nothing but Analytics

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@deedrag @Greg Fenton @LN-093 As I said, the Teachers PP were the Ballard years Part Deux.

18 hours, 9 minutes ago on Thursday Mashup: Analytics, Analytics… Nothing but Analytics

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@Greg Fenton @LN-093 @deedrag Like I said, I wasn't a fan of Stavros back in the day but the Teachers milked the Leafs for all they were worth.  We did have our best recent years under Stavros though.

18 hours, 20 minutes ago on Thursday Mashup: Analytics, Analytics… Nothing but Analytics

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@Greg Fenton @LN-093 @deedrag Gilmour was traded because in the locker room he was an arsehole and the leafs were losing.  He went to the habs because he was a habs fan growing up.  When he got there, he was such an arsehole the habs got rid of him.  How do I know this?  Straight from the mouth of a Stanley cup winner on the 70's habs.

18 hours, 27 minutes ago on Thursday Mashup: Analytics, Analytics… Nothing but Analytics

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@Greg Fenton @LN-093 @deedrag Yes, but were the teachers a better owner?  

18 hours, 29 minutes ago on Thursday Mashup: Analytics, Analytics… Nothing but Analytics

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@Greg Fenton @deedrag Like I said, I wasn't a fan back then of Stavros but in hindsight...

18 hours, 31 minutes ago on Thursday Mashup: Analytics, Analytics… Nothing but Analytics

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@Cameron19 @ingy56 2 president's to constantly undermine each other's decisions.  Sounds like great things will be accomplished!

18 hours, 33 minutes ago on Thursday Mashup: Analytics, Analytics… Nothing but Analytics

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@Cameron19 @LN-093 @DeclanK Half joking but you gotta think Cope wasn't happy with that.

18 hours, 36 minutes ago on Thursday Mashup: Analytics, Analytics… Nothing but Analytics

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@deedrag @LN-093 My point was they should get someone who is passionate about the leafs to be president.  Maybe then, we'd have a shot in hell at a cup.

18 hours, 41 minutes ago on Thursday Mashup: Analytics, Analytics… Nothing but Analytics

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@Cameron19 @LN-093 I can't tell, is this a joke?

18 hours, 45 minutes ago on Thursday Mashup: Analytics, Analytics… Nothing but Analytics

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They hired Cam Charron as assistant GM.  I nominate Alec for president of  MLSE.

18 hours, 49 minutes ago on Thursday Mashup: Analytics, Analytics… Nothing but Analytics

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@DeclanK Immediately making enemies with George Cope and ensuring his quick dismissal.

18 hours, 51 minutes ago on Thursday Mashup: Analytics, Analytics… Nothing but Analytics

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@ingy56 @LN-093 @mcloki @deedrag Do we know that for a fact?  I know he tried his darndest to get Lindros, them both having a Greek background.

18 hours, 52 minutes ago on Thursday Mashup: Analytics, Analytics… Nothing but Analytics

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@mcloki @deedrag True, in hindsight Stavros was the best owner.  I don't understand why the Teachers' pension plan don't get torched.  Back then there was no cap and they never had high salary caps.  They were Ballard years part 2.

18 hours, 54 minutes ago on Thursday Mashup: Analytics, Analytics… Nothing but Analytics

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@CanuckUKinToronto The suits at MLSE are sharpening their blades as we speak.

18 hours, 55 minutes ago on Thursday Mashup: Analytics, Analytics… Nothing but Analytics

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@ingy56 @Greg Fenton @Xxxxxnew This is exactly why Leiweke leaving is not good.  Now everything is shrouded in uncertainty.  

18 hours, 57 minutes ago on Thursday Mashup: Analytics, Analytics… Nothing but Analytics

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@Xxxxxnew @LN-093 Ya, you gotta think this is the single biggest thing MLSE would hold over Leiweke.  I do like the fact Leiweke actually got MLSE to finally open the so-called war chest.  That'll never happen again now.

19 hours, 2 minutes ago on Thursday Mashup: Analytics, Analytics… Nothing but Analytics

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@Xxxxxnew The only reason Tannenbaum is part of MLSE is because MLSE bought the raptors when they had their war over the new stadium.  Apparently he now holds the most sway at MLSE because he's the biggest shareholder as an individual.  So, ya if you want to pinpoint one guy.

19 hours, 5 minutes ago on Thursday Mashup: Analytics, Analytics… Nothing but Analytics

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@ingy56 @LN-093 @Xxxxxnew When you're dealing with a company this size and the money at stake, you're going to have the snakes duke it out.

19 hours, 10 minutes ago on Thursday Mashup: Analytics, Analytics… Nothing but Analytics

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@ingy56 @Xxxxxnew Exactly.  Paul Beeston back in 94 said he would never take the President's job at MLSE because it was "a pit of snakes".  Looks like there's a NEW PIT OF SNAKES.

19 hours, 11 minutes ago on Thursday Mashup: Analytics, Analytics… Nothing but Analytics

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Leiweke leaving is a bad thing.  He got MLSE to finally spend money.  In soccer there's a loophole to the salary cap so he got MLSE to spend 100 million on 2 players.  In basketball there's a luxury tax on the cap but the raps never spent near the full cap, nevermind the luxury tax threshold.  It's the reason Chris Bosh left Toronto, citing the lack of willingness of MLSE to pay the big bucks.

19 hours, 12 minutes ago on Thursday Mashup: Analytics, Analytics… Nothing but Analytics

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@Mind Bomb @Mcost61 @Greg Fenton @LN-093 The truth is MLSE IS A SHIT SHOW.  too many feuding owners.  We're in big trouble.

19 hours, 20 minutes ago on Thursday Mashup: Analytics, Analytics… Nothing but Analytics

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@deedrag @LN-093 I get what Leiweke was trying to do.  Trying to get the raptors and TFC winning would "change the culture", i.e. the losing culture.  Then free agents would see the winning of Toronto teams and want to be a part of it.  Raptors and TFC winning would help the Leafs.

19 hours, 22 minutes ago on Thursday Mashup: Analytics, Analytics… Nothing but Analytics

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@ingy56 @LN-093 @Reether @mikeyboy Ya, Peddie was great at business, lousy at a winning product.  Still, a new president would want to put his/ her stamp on the company and bring in their people.

19 hours, 25 minutes ago on Thursday Mashup: Analytics, Analytics… Nothing but Analytics

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@ingy56 @Reether @LN-093 @mikeyboy What's the job of a new president other than to hire the GM, etc??

19 hours, 27 minutes ago on Thursday Mashup: Analytics, Analytics… Nothing but Analytics

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@Mcost61 @LN-093 Like I said, he did a total about face today after a board meeting forced him to say otherwise.  This points to his dismissal.  Buying 2 soccer players for 100 million and then not seeing results might have had a wee part to do with that.

19 hours, 29 minutes ago on Thursday Mashup: Analytics, Analytics… Nothing but Analytics

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@deedrag So, you're against bringing in Shanahan?  I was at first but seeing the changes he's done so far, I'm pleased.

19 hours, 30 minutes ago on Thursday Mashup: Analytics, Analytics… Nothing but Analytics

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