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@BPsotka @Greg Fenton @Alec Brownscombe @Yaknowwhat @Burtonboy He has been better this year, but I don't think he is at that level he was his first 2-3 years. He is currently on pace for 6 goals and 30 points, that isn't good for Phaneuf. Even if you can/are going to argue he is as good defensively now as he was in 05-07/08 (I'm not really prepared to argue one way or the other), in those years he was this good defensively while getting 17-20 goals and 50+ points.
I'm not saying the Norris should go to the highest scoring D-man every year, but offensive production has to be there to be the best D-man in the league.
1 day, 3 hours ago on Game Preview: Sharks at Leafs
@Yaknowwhat @Greg Fenton @Alec Brownscombe @Burtonboy I dunno if its increased, but it certainly means rich teams can't buy or hide their mistakes, which only increases the oppertunities for criticism.
Basically, I have no problem with fans criticising players they don't feel are playing well or playing up to expectations. HOWEVER I also think many fans needs to have more realistic expectations, make the criticism less personal (by that I mean, make it "fair" and don't only go after players you dont like or players you like a pass), give credit when credit is due, and realize that maybe expectations have to be lowered about players, but that doesn't mean a player is bad.
@Alec Brownscombe @Yaknowwhat @Burtonboy I agree lots of Leaf fans tend to turn on players on quickly, thats a big reason why I don't like people over valuing and over rating the players when they are playing well, the high expectations created at that time, I think, play a big part in the turning that happens when they aren't playing as well.
That being said I don't think the highest expectations on Phaneuf are "to high". I think most people want/hope to see the Norris candidate Phaneuf. Its really a return to form rather then a never level he's never played at before. I can also understanding people wanting Kadri (and any player for that matter) to play at their best every night and not being happy with the player when they don't, however if the player doesn't one has to realize it doesn' tmean the player is bad or terrible or anything, just maybe not the player the fan hoped for.
@MaxwellHowe @Greg Fenton @Mind Bomb @B_Leaf I dunno if they've opted or tuned out, I'm not int he locker room.
I think there is a good chance there is a disconnect between how Carlyle likes his team to play (and how he is most likely trying to gt the Leafs to play) and how the players on the team like to play and are capable of playing.
In terms of the invdividual performances, like the top 6 lack of production in November.... I think its a couple things. I think guys like Kessel and Lupul and van Riemsdyk and Clarkson just aren't players who can/do produce consistently through-out the season and we are seeing that now, and they will most likely get hot again at some point. I think its likely they got into some bad habbits the last year or so (last half of last year, the start of this year - two fancy, to many passes etc...) because it was working for them and they got away with it and its started to catch up with them.
1 day, 6 hours ago on Game Preview: Sharks at Leafs
@ingy56 @Greg Fenton @mcloki @B_Leaf The drafting wasn't horrendous. Besides Clark they drafted Leeman, Courtnall, Gill, Iafrate, Damphousse. That isn't to say they were an amazing drafting team, but it wasn't like they went 10 years and ONLY got Clark. They did get some players.
They just kept switching GM's, restarting, made horrendous personal decisions etc.....
@MaxwellHowe @Greg Fenton @Mind Bomb @B_Leaf They did, over half a season. As Is aid earlier, sometimes players and teams can elevate their play or play out of their comfort zone for a period, and then can't.
@Mind Bomb @Greg Fenton @B_Leaf Well, they aren't playing well, but from what I know of the coach, the players and the situation, I THINK part of the problem may be a disconnect between what Carlyle wants them to do and what they want to/are capable of doing.
@ingy56 @mcloki @B_Leaf @Greg Fenton Well that was the start of it. But it was a decade of them making bad move after bad move, trading away talented player after talented player.
@Mind Bomb @Greg Fenton @B_Leaf If the Leafs were winning would it be boring? I know I'd rather see a good, checking, defensive team that wins then an exciting, skating offensive team that doesn't.
Again, they aren't playing well, its not acceptable, no one should be ok with it. I'm just saying it shouldn't be shock to anyone that the team is going through a slump, as a team or the individual players.
@B_Leaf @Greg Fenton Sometimes that happens in sports. A player or team captures something for a limited time, and then can't re-capture it or maintain it. I've said before, I think when you look at the Leafs top 6 I think its unreasonable to expect hard noised, physical, good defensive/two-way hockey every night for 82 games because that isn't a group with a lot of physial and/or two-way players. Maybe this is something that needs to be looked at, but if the coaches (Carlyle specifically) want the Leafs to play a certain way, and the team/players aren't interested in or capable of playing that way every night, maybe one of those elements needs to change.
The 48 game season might have played a role in last years success as well.
Don't get me wrong, no one should be happy with the last 5-10 games, I'm certainly not. The last game I was at was last Monday vs the Blue Jackets, that was a horrible game. But they also shouldn't be a surprise or shock to anyone.
1 day, 7 hours ago on Game Preview: Sharks at Leafs
@Shift_Disturber1 @Greg Fenton @rustynail @wendelsway1 No it isn't. A tie is garbage. When I see (especially when I pay to see) two people or two teams compete, I want a result, a winner and a loser. I'm not married to the shoot-out, though I don't mind it, if they changed and went to sudden death until there was a goal, I'm fine with that too.
@B_Leaf They aren't playing great, but this isn't the worst they've been in 40 years, and anyone who didn't know this kind of stretch of games was going to happen this year, or least know it was possible/likely, was setting themselves up for dissapointment. Even the 93-94 team that started the season with 10 straight wins, at one point only won 2 of 14 games.
This team isn't a top team in the league, they are good team but not a great one. These kinds of ups and down are to be expected with good, but not great, teams.
There is a segment of the hockey audience (mostly the numbers people) who have been saying since last year the Leafs couldn't maintain their level of play, and a lot of non-number people didn't like hearing that. That might be what we're seeing now.
@rustynail @wendelsway1 @Shift_Disturber1 I don't like ties, especially when I go to a game, I want to see a winner and loser. How we get that winner and loser....I don't hate the shoot out, I'd be fine with playing 4 on 4 overtime until someone scores..... but I want a result at the end of a game.
As for points, if they have a winner and loser every game they don't even really need points or the OT catagory in the standings anymore. The Leafs, for example, should be 14 and 13 and they just use the win-loss record to determine standings.
@.JVR. do they have the cap room for that?
2 days, 5 hours ago on Leafs Notebook – December 2
@MaxwellHowe @Greg Fenton Thats why I find it interesting.
Its a long shot possibility, but what was possibility. Is it worth passing on a trade or a FA this summer that would help the team to MAYBE take a run at a player like that in 2016? I think its a hard question (ie - interesting).
2 days, 6 hours ago on Leafs Notebook – December 2
@MaxwellHowe @Greg Fenton Bolland, kadrin, Kulemin, McClement, Raymond, Orr, Holland, Ashton, McLaren, Smithson, Smith, Phaneuf, Franson, Fraser, Ranger, Gardiner, Reimer and Bernier would have to be resigned before or the same year that Stamkos would be on the market.
In addition to how they treat their own free agents, it would influence how they handle other UFA's and potential trades. If Nonis is looking at 2016 and Stamkos, does he make a deal in 2015 for a player that would help the team, but not as much as a player like Stamkos, who would add money to their cap in 2016? Or do you basically treat the cap as 12-15 million lower then it actually is?
@sniperstar @Greg Fenton except they have lots of good wingers, and sometimes sticking two shooters together doesn't work (Nash and Carter.....).
I'm not saying they will or won't or anything like that. I'm just pointing out that if he is unsigned that season there will be nothing but Stamkos trade talk and rumors, and there would be some logic is trading for him to prevent other teams from able to make offers, even though such a deal would be extremely expensive. In that situation the Leafs would be heavley rumored/reported to be interested all season long, and that idea will most likely be out there.
@peterbleafs @Greg Fenton If by next summer you mean 2014, of course. There was a good chance he wouldnt have signed until then anyway.
But if the cap goes up more then expected because that Rogers deal, that 7 million dollar deal many expected may be 7.5 or 7.75 or 8 because the salaries go up as the cap does.
2 days, 7 hours ago on Leafs Notebook – December 2
@ProfessorRance @The Truth Hurts The difference would bet hat Kadri is, as of today, on pace for 20+ goals and 50+ points this year. Holland is on pace for 14 goals.
@sniperstar @Greg Fenton That would be another thing to happen in 2016. IF Stamkos is unsigned going into the 2015-2016 season there will be LOTS of trade rumors and talk all year, most likely including the Leafs, and Kessel+ for Stamkos trade talk.