Took to wearing his oldest and most dilapidated Leafs gear in public since March so no one would confuse him with a bandwagon fan.
@gda @Savo43 Or, maybe he looked like a freaked out college kid playing in his first pro game less than a week after playing his last game against college players (ie. the highest level of competition he's ever faced). Pretty fair for the kid to be overwhelmed. Especially considering the state of the team, the relationship between coach and players, the losing streak, and his complete unfamiliarity with either linemates or opponents, I thought he looked OK. He was clearly trying to follow and anticipate and didn't look that bad in his own end. Definitely appeared to give an honest effort as he Kozun, and Carrick had a few good shifts at least.
Think about it, those three had good possession against a very good young Panthers team who are fighting for the playoffs. How bad could he really have been?
3 days, 15 hours ago on GDT: Game 75, Toronto Maple Leafs vs Florida Panthers (7:30pm, TSN)
@Optimustic @Jmessih which one of you is the bald guy?
@Luke_R If any scouting on this kid indicates he can actually skate then, no, no you don't smell Irwin on this kid.
1 week, 1 day ago on GDT: Game #73, Toronto Maple Leafs vs. Ottawa Senators (7 p.m., HNIC)
@Burtonboy @ingy56 @leafmealone Sorry, forgot to use sarcasm font. ;)
@ingy56 No room for more contracts after they draft another 12 or so players this year.
@Builder Lego To be fair. I'm not cheering against the Leafs, just calling like I see it. I just don't see them somehow finding the "ON" switch.
So, as long as the players are choosing to check out, I'm just looking for silver linings amongst the crap.
@Cameron19 @Luke_R Ideal scenario would be for him to get a feel for playing with Kadri in camp and see if they can rekindle the old magic now that Frattin has refound his confidence/scoring touch. Then you could once again sell high on him.
@Ze_theLeafsFan @kxbarillas If he plays them out, he has 2 more after this current year ends. I imagine that won't be the case. As if he goes that far, he can become a UFA open to signing an ELC with anyone he wants. Can't see the Leafs letting this happen with their need for his type of player (C, size, hands, scoring, good skater). At least, I hope not. I still see his projection two/three years out and see very good things. Between Toninato/Verhaeghe/Gauthier I am looking for a quality future 3C.
So, next year's squad is going to be the island of misfit Leafs?
a) the untradables
b) the outsourced (KHL, SEL, etc.)
c) bad contracts taken in return through trade
d) odds and ends (college UFA's, pro AHL'ers, salvage bin UFA's)
Will suck to watch it, harkens back to the post-Sundin era, but it is much preferable to watching the young studs come up and get shelled. Can't learn to play any kind of system and learn to use your teammates when you're constantly chasing the puck.
@Jay31 I remember Frattin scoring an EN beauty and then destroying his knee on the same play. Love the hustle but hard not to get freaked out with the recent injury history for TO players.
Today's silver lining.....Leafs look likely to just lose their way down this death spiral straight into game 82.....Taylor Hall has rehabbed and come back for these last ten games so he must be out there with a good deal of motivation....Oilers go on a tear and Leafs might get down as low as third overall.......
@ConnorCrisp Just as good for me is he's top 3 in face-offs as well.
1 week, 4 days ago on Wednesday Mashup: Leafs Eliminated from playoffs
@Jmessih Hope this is true. As it makes it all the more likely for the Leafs to get a player they really want if someone above them wins the lottery.
1 week, 5 days ago on Wednesday Mashup: Leafs Eliminated from playoffs
@Jmessih Now that is an awesome collection of smiles.
@Cameron19 @leafmealone @Xxxxxnew He should have made that Jeff Carter trade. Goodbye Kabs and Kadri for Carter.
2 weeks ago on GDT: Game #70, Toronto Maple Leafs at Vancouver Canucks (7 p.m., CBC)
Gotta go, later everyone.
2 weeks, 1 day ago on GDT: Game #70, Toronto Maple Leafs at Vancouver Canucks (7 p.m., CBC)
@Xxxxxnew Giving Burke more time wouldn't have helped that his methodology was failed.
@mcloki @deedrag Would be hard for them. Suddenly their competitor owns all of TO's pro sports teams. I could see that the options this monopoly would provide could make a few suits uneasy.
@deedrag Interesting. You wonder if both companies agreed to a rebuild thinking the other would blink first and sell off once the reality of sucking for a few years sank in. Personally, I have no idea how this will go, but I think for the length of the current TV deal, the two will remain partners.
What I find funny about Shanny, is that he's taken some knocks from former teammates etc. for him being a bit of a "political animal". That he isn't transparent enough in his feelings or displaying them regarding certain people or situations.
OK, I get that such an attitude might be somewhat off-putting in a locker room. But NOT in a board room. This guy, the more I read about him, seems like one of the most ideal former players to hold this kind of job. He doesn't let emotion rule him. He has a plan. He can show whatever face is necessary at a given time publicly regardless of his real feelings. He has the desire to learn. And he's not afraid to go out and hire people he thinks know more than him to do the jobs he needs them for (Pridham, Dubas, Hunter). And he has patience to do things right
Shanny may very well be anti-Burke. And considering what Burke's tenure got us, I"m totally willing to see what his antithesis might accomplish.
@Cameron19 @ingy56 @leafmealone I wonder as well, if the teardown didn't happen right away because Shanny knew that his overseeing a teardown when coming in with NO experience would be trouble. By allowing the team to go out and fail as he suspected, he gets the fan base on his side for the long process of a rebuild. At least in the short term. And by making it palatable for the fanbase, it became palatable as well for MLSE.
@mcloki I think there's a link on the Leafs Lunch page. try choosing radio on the tsn page, go to 1050Toronto. Click "shows". Click "Leafs Lunch" and go through the archive.
@Cameron19 @leafmealone @ingy56 Especially when you have quite a few you'd like to move, and the are carrying as large of a contract as they are. Show that you're willing to take a little less to get the first one done, and you'll end up with a handful of magic beans.
@ingy56 @hometeem @leafmealone I think you could be confident in that IF said story was inaccurate, that someone at MLSE would have been only too happy to discredit it. I think their silence says everything needed.
@hometeem @ingy56 @leafmealone Cathal Kelly broke the rebuild story. And NO ONE at MLSE even remotely denied it happened.
@Cameron19 @ingy56 @mcloki @leafmealone Couldn't agree more. Burke demanded a certain player from his scouts. As a smart guy, he should have known better than to try and immediately reshape a club by drafting kids who shouldn't be expected to play for three years or so.
@Cameron19 @ingy56 @leafmealone What's more important than starting to start a bidding war, is not taking the first offer. You have to make it clear that buyers have to respect the prices your setting. You just have to avoid getting all Mike Gillis about it.
@ingy56 @Cameron19 @leafmealone Save your skepticism for UFO's and bigfoot. The teardown is coming.
@FrycersGhost @leafmealone Because it's their job to write about sports, they HAVE to seem like they know something that others don't. So, they rip apart a selection of individuals focusing on any one of them at a given time. Then, over time, when one of these individuals fails or makes a mistake, these MSM douchebags can pop out of the weeds and say "I told you so."
It's a classic format to win an argument. NEVER, and I mean NEVER suggest your own argument on how to fix a problem, simply sit back and play devil's advocate on whatever solutions other's are trying to make. If you never suggest anything yourself, you don't leave yourself open to ever being wrong, while getting to sit back and wait for any sign of the smallest trouble and then trumpet your foresight and intelligence.
I hope others here on MLHS are aware of the narrative about to be pushed by the Toronto MSM. It is an argument that was born out of Dave Feschuk (do I need to say anything else?) and then picked up on by Jonas Siegel among others. It's now wide spread since Shanny has once again come out of the shadows to comment on Kadri.
With no other large target to be taking shots at (they've already chased PHaneuf and Kessel out of town even if their bags are still here), the MSM is looking for a new object of ridicule that has some expectation of being here for continued target practice.
They've settled on Shannahan, and the narrative is going to be about his lack of experience, and cherry picking (ANONYMOUS) quotes as to his ability. Shanny is no JFJ, and he actually got the board to agree to a tear down which no other GM has managed. The fact that this team needs to be torn apart is not up for debate. He's kept Nonis around for his contacts and experience. He's not doing this alone. He's surrounded himself with smart, innovative hockey people.
So just batten down the hatches and get ready, Shanny is the one they're all sharpening their knives for. And BS like this little tidbit is just the tip of the iceberg.
@FrycersGhost Good lord. Don't ever pay attention to anything Simmons writes. He's either sucking up after a win, or trying to look smarter than everyone else by using hindsight to rip decisions after a loss.
STEVE SIMMONS IS A TROLL. Don't feed him.
@Bruffins He's also been a beast on the forecheck and the wall all year. Now that he's getting better with the puck on his stick, you can see a real valuable NHL'er.
@ingy56 @gilmourhalloffame Great he could draft. Can't suck at everything. ;)
@mr_hanie I think Dubas is also key to UFA signings. Apparently it was him who pushed hard for the Leafs to sign Winnik, and perhaps Booth/Santo as well.
@mr_hanie @leafmealone no one says they never tried. Keep in mind that he and his brother are making a very nice profit with the Knights in London. Neither of them are in the boat of other similarly capable potential hires.
They took over a perennially struggling OHL team in London and turned it into a powerhouse and a model franchise (for any level of pro sport). They are known to continually find the diamond in the rough FA's. And the best thing to be said by ex-players, current players, opponents, scouts, etc. is that the Knights teach a player what it takes to be a pro. They help each kid identify what and who they can be at the next level, and show them what it will take.
Between the two of them, they have a wealth of experience at the pro level. Have a solid reputation for having built careers on effort and smarts as much as anything else. They both live, eat, and breath the game. With Mark as the GM, Dale the Coach (Mark took over when Dale was in WSH), both play to their strengths and are their own bosses 100%.
No other potential coach or GM is really in this position. Running/owning one of (if not) the most profitable franchise in the CHL.
Read the interview when he got hired. Hunter said it was his dream to work for the Leafs. Grew up in Ontario, lifelong fan.
Think that answers why he's not somewhere else. Just because the Leafs can hire someone, doesn't mean everyone you think is better has already taken a pass.
2 weeks, 1 day ago on GDT: Game #69, Toronto Maple Leafs at Calgary Flames (8 p.m., SN)
@Cameron19 stealing hagelin would be nice somehow.
@mr_hanie when the consensus among pro scouts is that you are a highly respected shark, when you were still a ohl gm, you get your due respect. The guy is never not seeing some hockey game somewhere, and he has the proven instincts to predict winners.
@zoidbergman @Cameron19 @leafmealone @gjdevlin Treading water move. Eller isn't a long term move, and you could do better flipping Lupul to a more motivated buyer than whatever you'd potentially get later for Parenteau. No future help no deal. The only reason for the Leafs to take on bad money is for assets. Lupul is better at that point as a vet for us.
2 weeks, 2 days ago on GDT: Game #69, Toronto Maple Leafs at Calgary Flames (8 p.m., SN)
@Cameron19 @leafmealone @gjdevlin At least Parentaeu is likely to play a full season helping to avoid forcing young pieces to play too much too soon.
@Cameron19 @leafmealone @gjdevlin I see pieces on the Habs that I think fit in well with where we're at in a rebuild. Also think looking at some underlying numbers that we could help showcase Parenteau for the trade deadline next year. Win-Win.
@gjdevlin @Cameron19 @leafmealone I wouldn't be bringing him in as an upgrade, he's a salary dump from the Minny side. For us he's a reclamation product. Give him lots of ice and PP time. See if we can turn him into an asset to flip somewhere else. I wonder if you sold him on that if he might agree, as I don't think it's really working out in Minny.
@Cameron19 @leafmealone @gjdevlin I know I was more hoping for the Lupul for Parenteau swap but I see that as less likely now. Though, if the Habs can't score in the playoffs then maybe something gives.
@Cameron19 @leafmealone @gjdevlin I didn't think Vanek got a NTC with that deal.
@Cameron19 @leafmealone @gjdevlin What do you think of taking Vanek back and shipping Phil home to Minny? It would obviously be attractive to the Wild-who I see as in their window to make a push considering Parise and Suter. I'd assume they'd be on his accepted list. And Minny does have some pieces that would be attractive to the Leafs. Not to mention it seems that the Fletcher's like to be active.
@Tearitdown @Cameron19 @Yaknowwhat We bought out Grabbo to resign so Bozak, just because we hoped it would help convince Phil to resign. So we do all that so Phil can keep up the Bert and Ernie act and you're still going to ask that question?
@Cameron19 @gjdevlin I'm more counting on the Leafs looking to take on other teams bad contracts as leverage to get some young pieces. Figure we'll see a few of those types taking the ice next year as well. Hopefully we can showcase them enough to flip them as they expire.
@Dogger coming back from concussion
@Burtonboy I was pretty sure some team was going to be kicking themselves for not picking him up for a playoff run considering what the the Leafs were probably asking. He really looked to be coming on in the weeks leading up to the deadline. I didn't see quite this outburst, but I was certain he was going to start producing more once he got some ice.
@wiski Bet that shit is found stripped and on blocks somewhere inside of 12 hours.
@RememberSalming @leafmealone Numb. Not dumb. But....good luck with that.
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