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@Waiting4LSC @Bruffins @LeafsGuru Holzer + Ashton for Oduya (and maybe CHI throws us back a pick since they're in a jam, and we got screwed on the Bolland trade).

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@reenergized @Bruffins O'Reilly is probably one of the most available star players in the league, if not the most. The countdown has started - the Avs have 19 months to trade him.

6 minutes ago on (Thursday Mashup) David Booth: Another low-risk option with upside potential

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@dlb Mad @Cameron19 I wouldn't say they screwed him around, but I would definitely say they misused an asset.

1 hour, 8 minutes ago on (Thursday Mashup) David Booth: Another low-risk option with upside potential

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@dlb Mad @4evrblue lol, You see no evidence of that despite the fact he immediately fell off the teams' radar after that series of events transpired? I think you see what you want to see, dlb.

1 hour, 9 minutes ago on (Thursday Mashup) David Booth: Another low-risk option with upside potential

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@dlb Mad @4evrblue Again, you're confusing the feelings of the players with what management and coaching staffs should do.

1 hour, 13 minutes ago on (Thursday Mashup) David Booth: Another low-risk option with upside potential

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@dlb Mad @Cameron19 That doesn't mean they got it right.

1 hour, 14 minutes ago on (Thursday Mashup) David Booth: Another low-risk option with upside potential

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@dlb Mad @Cameron19 Of course as the player you see it as an opportunity, but your coach and management are supposed to know better. You don't just hand a rookie top match-up responsibilities in the NHL and then disregard him once he's failed. It actually looked to me like they might have been trying to turn him into trade bait by having Phaneuf prop him up.

1 hour, 22 minutes ago on (Thursday Mashup) David Booth: Another low-risk option with upside potential

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@dlb Mad @Cameron19 Of course you saw it as an opportunity, because if you didn't you might have to admit that Carlyle misused (yet another) piece. 

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You know full well why it would hurt his stock - it's because most people are idiots. There is a large portion of this fan base that thinks Mark Fraser is a better defender than Dion Phaneuf. These people don't care if a guy like Holzer is coughing the puck up to Sidney Crosby or Tanner Glass. And his stock before that was as a promising bottom pair defender - which is where any coach with an ounce of brains would have used him. We ended up trading a 4th round pick for O'Byrne instead of just letting Holzer try that role for what reason no one can really explain.

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End of the day, I think if he's given the role he was suited for in the NHL,his story would be a lot different.

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But whatever, end of the day, he's a 6/7 D at best, so it's no sweat off my back. Just put players in a position to succeed and we won't have this problem.

1 hour, 29 minutes ago on (Thursday Mashup) David Booth: Another low-risk option with upside potential

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@dlb Mad @Cameron19 No, but that's not what anyone here is talking about. I don't know why you have to get so defensive when people question the decision making of the Leafs. The point is that Holzer's usage during his big call-up opportunity was damaging in a number of ways. 

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First, putting him in that position was putting a player in a position to fail. It was confidence shattering, but also reputation damaging. His stock seemed to quickly fall within the fan base and the organization after that - but whose fault is that? Last I checked, no good teams call up their AHL guys and ask them to shut down Crosby as their first NHL assignment. 

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After that call-up, he didn't play as well in the AHL, and as you rightly said, he also didn't make any kind of impression at camp - that's of course partly on him, but also on the organization for mishandling him so badly.

1 hour, 45 minutes ago on (Thursday Mashup) David Booth: Another low-risk option with upside potential

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@dlb Mad @4evrblue I don't think the fans are making any assumptions.

1 hour, 58 minutes ago on (Thursday Mashup) David Booth: Another low-risk option with upside potential

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@Jay_Berg He just said what he thought and some people didn't like it. He was obviously right about the bridge contracts in the end, as he clearly convinced the entire management of the league to get on the same page and stop giving out ridiculous 2nd contracts. Everyone's settling in the 2-3M range now, and that's what they were doing 6 years ago. So players in that situation are actually being paid less.

3 hours, 7 minutes ago on (Thursday Mashup) David Booth: Another low-risk option with upside potential

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@Jay_Berg No, that wasn't it. Burke's issue with that contract was losing the ability to be tough on guys who still had 4 RFA years left to give. He wanted bridge contracts and he felt that deals like the Penner one allowed players to jump straight to their UFA value. Obviously you want to maximize the RFA years since they fought very hard for as many of them as possible in the CBA.

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Engelland was a free agent, which is different - you pay those guys whatever you want, and Burke has always done that. Having said that, as much as Engelland seems like a pile of crap to you and me, I really somehow doubt that Burke just blew him away with an offer that no one else was even close to.There must have been one or two other interested in parties in the 2.5M range, I would bet.

3 hours, 15 minutes ago on (Thursday Mashup) David Booth: Another low-risk option with upside potential

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@Jay_Berg Penner was an RFA, which is a different issue.

3 hours, 19 minutes ago on (Thursday Mashup) David Booth: Another low-risk option with upside potential

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@LeafFan15 Ha, that would be very awkward, I think.

3 hours, 32 minutes ago on (Thursday Mashup) David Booth: Another low-risk option with upside potential

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@loomx @Cameron19 Larsson and the coach butt heads big time. That will be an interesting situation to follow.

3 hours, 32 minutes ago on (Thursday Mashup) David Booth: Another low-risk option with upside potential

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@Jay_Berg A lot of teams were a few steps behind on that change. As for Engelland, the Flames have more cap space than they know what to do with for the next few years. Doesn't make it not a horrible contract, but I actually don't think Burke cares too much about that given that his team won't have cap issues in the foreseeable future. I think he's doing a better job of their rebuild than he did with ours though, I'll give you that.

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Still a Burke fan here, but I am really liking what I'm hearing coming out of the Shanahan era - except for the Carlyle extension.

3 hours, 33 minutes ago on (Thursday Mashup) David Booth: Another low-risk option with upside potential

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@loomx Interesting debate on going with Schneider full time vs. Brodeur though. I believe Brodeur won a larger percentage of his games despite much worse numbers, and some fans were saying that while he lets in quality scoring chances as often as anyone, his stats are dropping because he's just become better at handling the puck and preventing those "stat padding" shots from ever occurring. Not saying I buy it, but this will finally be Schneider's first starting gig. 

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They also lost Fayne, who was on their top pair by the end of the year.

4 hours, 10 minutes ago on (Thursday Mashup) David Booth: Another low-risk option with upside potential

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@DeclanK @Cameron19 Perfect guy to play with Polak though. Mobile, offensive, and used to harder minutes than what he'd get on that pair.

13 hours, 43 minutes ago on (Thursday Mashup) David Booth: Another low-risk option with upside potential

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@DeclanK @Cameron19 They acquired him for a 2nd, and now they're in a jam, so not much I wouldn't imagine.

13 hours, 47 minutes ago on (Thursday Mashup) David Booth: Another low-risk option with upside potential

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Assuming the cap rises 5M or so next year, the Hawks will have just 9M to sign Saad, Leddy, Kruger, Oduya and fill 5 additional roster spots.

14 hours, 24 minutes ago on (Thursday Mashup) David Booth: Another low-risk option with upside potential

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@Mattmark @Leafs_WP Well, presumably we'll be trying to adapt our roster to the new personnel - although I realize that's a lot to hope for while Carlyle is still coach. Theoretically, we shouldn't have as much need for a match-up pair like Kulemin and McClement this year. The goal should be rolling 4 lines with this group.

14 hours, 38 minutes ago on (Thursday Mashup) David Booth: Another low-risk option with upside potential

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@Bon Scott was a Leaf fan @Cameron19 Yes. He could have easily done it better. He should have front-loaded the deal more, and limited the amount of bonus money he was giving out. I honestly would have walked away from Clarkson at anything over 20M. I thought giving him 4X4 would have been an overpayment. But I wanted him here, and I guess management did too, so they did whatever it takes. You have to set a limit though, and that limit was way too high for that player.

14 hours, 42 minutes ago on (Thursday Mashup) David Booth: Another low-risk option with upside potential

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@Bon Scott was a Leaf fan Loiselle formatted the contract very poorly.

14 hours, 52 minutes ago on (Thursday Mashup) David Booth: Another low-risk option with upside potential

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@Jmessih @Cameron19 Just positionally, they would be stronger down the middle. Set, really.

16 hours, 50 minutes ago on (Thursday Mashup) David Booth: Another low-risk option with upside potential

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I'd be so pissed being an Oiler fan imagining what could have been with the right choices at the table:

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2010: Seguin (over Hall)

2011: Landeskog (over R.N.H.)

2012: Galchenyuk (over Yakupov)

2013: Nichushkin (over Nurse)

2014: Draisaitl

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Landeskog - Seguin - Eberle

Perron - Galchenyuk - Nichushkin

Pouliot - Draisaitl - Purcell



17 hours, 9 minutes ago on (Thursday Mashup) David Booth: Another low-risk option with upside potential

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@RandomScrub @Cameron19 @mike_84 Oh, lol. Meant to reply to the original post.

17 hours, 26 minutes ago on (Thursday Mashup) David Booth: Another low-risk option with upside potential

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@RandomScrub @mike_84 It's not a fair question just yet. Trouba was really thrust into the spotlight in Winnipeg this year with Byfuglien being a terrible defender, and Bogosian being constantly hurt. Whereas Rielly was eased into the line-up very cautiously. Had Rielly been handed the reigns like that, I suspect he would have looked a little better than Trouba. They would be an elite pair though, wow.

17 hours, 30 minutes ago on (Thursday Mashup) David Booth: Another low-risk option with upside potential

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@MaxwellHowe 8 of the top 10 picks were D. A crazy run of D there. I'd take most of the top 10 picks over Yakupov.

17 hours, 35 minutes ago on (Thursday Mashup) David Booth: Another low-risk option with upside potential

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@Bruffins @Cameron19 It wasn't that for me, it was just that I felt we had an opportunity to package Schenn with a 1st and get a JVR type at center - or that we should have held out for that kind of deal.  If we'd held out any longer though, his value would have plummeted. Perfect timing on that trade.

17 hours, 37 minutes ago on (Thursday Mashup) David Booth: Another low-risk option with upside potential

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@Bruffins 

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I didn't think Schenn should be traded for a winger, but that deal worked out very well, obviously.

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I didn't think Rielly was the best use of our draft choice initially, given our weakness at center.

17 hours, 41 minutes ago on (Thursday Mashup) David Booth: Another low-risk option with upside potential

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@mike_84 For them to take Clarkson back.

17 hours, 52 minutes ago on (Thursday Mashup) David Booth: Another low-risk option with upside potential

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@mike_84 @Cameron19 Yep. What a shit off-season for them. Lose Iginla, Boychuk, Johnson and Thornton, and replace them with nothing.

17 hours, 53 minutes ago on (Thursday Mashup) David Booth: Another low-risk option with upside potential

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@mike_84 @Cameron19 Yea, but Boston has to sign Smith and Krug, and a few others still. They have to move someone to get under.

17 hours, 57 minutes ago on (Thursday Mashup) David Booth: Another low-risk option with upside potential

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@mike_84 @Cameron19 They aren't actually over though. They get to put Ohlund on LTIR. They have space. Oduya would be a great end to this summer.

18 hours, 3 minutes ago on (Thursday Mashup) David Booth: Another low-risk option with upside potential

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@mike_84 @Cameron19 He is almost as important to their team as Keith and Seabrook. Don't see them moving him.

18 hours, 12 minutes ago on (Thursday Mashup) David Booth: Another low-risk option with upside potential

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@mike_84 I would much prefer Oduya if one of them ends up here.

18 hours, 20 minutes ago on (Thursday Mashup) David Booth: Another low-risk option with upside potential

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@Jordan29 @Cameron19 Yea, but that doesn't mean he wants Toronto. I think his interest is in getting as close to a max deal as possible on a team that has a chance to win.

18 hours, 22 minutes ago on (Thursday Mashup) David Booth: Another low-risk option with upside potential

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@Jordan29 I get just the opposite vibe from these interviews.

18 hours, 29 minutes ago on (Thursday Mashup) David Booth: Another low-risk option with upside potential

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@lukethenuke @Cameron19 It's funny, everyone is reading these articles about it and concluding he might come here - I get just the opposite vibe. To me it sounds like he's trying to say "no interest" without hurting anyone's feelings. I mean, he was a Leaf fan, his friends are all Leaf fans, and saying anything bad about the Maple Leafs removes your biggest bargaining chip in contract talks. I don't know. Doesn't seem all that enthralled with the idea, in my opinion. The fact that he mentioned winning isn't encouraging either.

18 hours, 31 minutes ago on (Thursday Mashup) David Booth: Another low-risk option with upside potential

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@lukethenuke So tell us, is Stamkos coming here or not. We have people who claim to know him say he is coming, and also the opposite.

19 hours, 44 minutes ago on (Thursday Mashup) David Booth: Another low-risk option with upside potential

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@Greg Fenton @loomx @vinoa I also said that you could try to win "line match-ups" though.

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J.V.R vs. Brown is a big win for us

_____ vs. Kopitar

Kessel vs. Gaborik is a big win for us

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Point being, you may not need a guy like Toews to go toe-to-toe with this line, since your wingers are both better. O'Reilly vs. Kopitar a match-up they win, but overall, those lines are pretty even. 

19 hours, 45 minutes ago on (Thursday Mashup) David Booth: Another low-risk option with upside potential

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@Greg Fenton @Cameron19 @Zep2 lol, Based on what? Swap them tomorrow, we're in the same situation as a team, but because he's Stamkos we're to assume that he's just so much better? He's been on a team that has mostly missed the playoffs his whole career, and only made it this year when he was injured for 5 months. Not really sure why he deserves this upper echelon treatment as though he's been leading teams to championships all this time.

19 hours, 48 minutes ago on (Thursday Mashup) David Booth: Another low-risk option with upside potential

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