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@Greg Fenton @Cameron19 @MaxwellHowe It's not really a fair comparison. Phaneuf's offensive decline has more rationale behind it. I know you'll discount them as excuses, as you're wont to do when anything contradictory of your opinion arises, but Phaneuf jumped from sheltered minutes, to top pairing minutes, to the hardest minutes in the NHL. I will say this in defense of Staal though - he has similarly been handed bad line-mates. Much like Phaneuf sees the ice with McClement and Kulemin (pretty hard to keep your offense going there) against top lines, Staal is playing against top shutdown units, with Tlusty and a ridiculously bad defense group behind him. The only difference for Staal, is that this has always been the case for him, so you wonder why he suddenly isn't as good at it.
Look, at the end of the day, I would be thrilled to get Staal, I just think O'Reilly would do very well here also, possibly even better as he comes into his own - while at the same time being 6 years younger, a bit hungrier (still looking for big money), and provide that flexibility.
20 hours, 59 minutes ago on Tuesday Mashup: Leafs Links
@Greg Fenton @Cameron19 @MaxwellHowe It's not an off year if he's showing signs of decline. Phaneuf only fell apart when he was injured. To be fair to Staal, he was also reportedly injured. Regardless, at 29, both players are more likely to start experiencing decline, whether we can agree that they are in it or not.
21 hours, 7 minutes ago on Tuesday Mashup: Leafs Links
@Greg Fenton @Cameron19 @MaxwellHowe Well, he's 23 actually and just starting to tap into his offensive capabilities. I get the sense you don't watch either player play very often. O'Reilly is on the rise, while Staal is on the decline. I mean, the coaching staff in Carolina wants to move him to the wing and say this is his last chance to prove he's still a center, yet you're here telling me he's a legit 1C option.
21 hours, 29 minutes ago on Tuesday Mashup: Leafs Links
@Axle_Goalie @Cameron19 @Greg Fenton Can't help you there.
21 hours, 31 minutes ago on Tuesday Mashup: Leafs Links
@Axle_Goalie @Cameron19 @Greg Fenton No, but he clearly fancies himself the next Getzlaf. I am sure they want to test him in more difficult scenarios and over multiple seasons before coming to that conclusion though.
21 hours, 32 minutes ago on Tuesday Mashup: Leafs Links
@Greg Fenton @Cameron19 @MaxwellHowe Ha, I consistently call O'Reilly over-rated and point out that he's never been a 1C. I don't have a man crush of any kind. Fact is, he's an available young player that improves the supporting cast of our roster substantially, while also being age appropriate to allow management a great deal of flexibility. He's also defensively competent enough to work well with our defensively useless forwards.
21 hours, 33 minutes ago on Tuesday Mashup: Leafs Links
@Greg Fenton @Cameron19 @MaxwellHowe No it's not, Greg, but you keep thinking that, okay champ?
21 hours, 35 minutes ago on Tuesday Mashup: Leafs Links
@MaxwellHowe It really says something about his ability to defend that Trouba came in and immediately took top pairing duties from him and Byfuglien, and looked way better doing it. Worse, he actually didn't even benefit from reduced difficulty of minutes. I would expect a bounce back from him, but he's no Phaneuf replacement, and likely never will be.
21 hours, 36 minutes ago on Tuesday Mashup: Leafs Links
@MaxwellHowe Nah, he's not. He was crap last season, and he's constantly hurt.
21 hours, 37 minutes ago on Tuesday Mashup: Leafs Links
@Greg Fenton @Cameron19 @MaxwellHowe lol, In your opinion it is.
21 hours, 38 minutes ago on Tuesday Mashup: Leafs Links
@MaxwellHowe You don't want the guy Max, trust me.
@Greg Fenton @Cameron19 @MaxwellHowe In your opinion. I would expect O'Reilly and Staal to put up the same kind of numbers between J.V.R. and Kessel, but I would expect O'Reilly to be more helpful defensively.
21 hours, 40 minutes ago on Tuesday Mashup: Leafs Links
@DeclanK @Cameron19 @MaxwellHowe When you see him in person you can tell his workouts are all about bulk. It's no wonder he's constantly hurting himself. He's a monster, but I think you want to be more lean nowadays.
21 hours, 41 minutes ago on Tuesday Mashup: Leafs Links
@DeclanK @MaxwellHowe Well, that looks after replacing Phaneuf for 30 games per season at least.
21 hours, 43 minutes ago on Tuesday Mashup: Leafs Links
@Greg Fenton @Axle_Goalie Kadri + Gardiner would be over-payment. Johansen is too unproven for that kind of a deal. Kadri put up similar numbers (actually better) the year before. I'd move Kadri for him in a package, but not one that includes another known, quality asset like Gardiner.
21 hours, 44 minutes ago on Tuesday Mashup: Leafs Links
@DeclanK @Cameron19 @MaxwellHowe For Staal? I think they'd be looking to go young. If they move on from Staal early enough in this season, they could easily be talking about landing McDavid. They're clearly the worst team in their division, and without Staal, probably the worst in the Conference. I don't think they'd be looking for a 29 year old top pairing defender.
21 hours, 46 minutes ago on Tuesday Mashup: Leafs Links
@Greg Fenton @Cameron19 @MaxwellHowe Right, but you don't want to talk about more age appropriate players who might be available. I believe that Evander Kane and Ryan O'Reilly will be traded within the next 12-16 months, and those guys are in an age range where they significantly improve the supporting cast around Kessel and Kadri, but also allow you to move on from Kessel if that's still not enough.
21 hours, 49 minutes ago on Tuesday Mashup: Leafs Links
@MaxwellHowe Yes, for sure, I wasn't discounting the possibility of it happening, just noting it as an obstacle. Lupul has to say 14 teams he'll go to, and Bozak has to say some number also (I believe it's unknown though). It's just one more step. But this is kind of why I want a mini-fire-sale at the deadline with the likes of Bozak, Franson, Lupul and Reimer gone. If you can clean up on those pieces, and maybe a couple of the mercenaries we brought in, too, then you have the assets to make plays fora couple of upgrades next summer. Perhaps you bring in Eric Staal and Evander Kane, plus Nylander joins the team.
J.V.R. - E.Staal - Kessel
Kane - Kadri - Nylander
Is a big, big upgrade on:
J.V.R. - Bozak - Kessel
Lupul - Kadri - Booth/Frattin
And then imagine you also pick up a top 5-10 pick in there too (maybe higher, depending on how successful the fire sale is.
21 hours, 52 minutes ago on Tuesday Mashup: Leafs Links
@Greg Fenton I saw it reported, I can't remember where to say how reliable it was, that he was asking for 7M per for 2 years.
21 hours, 55 minutes ago on Tuesday Mashup: Leafs Links
@MaxwellHowe Problem is two fold: He has to want to come here, and he has to not suck like he did last year. Plus, using assets on a 30 year old only further commits us to our core. Conversely, if you're targeting players 22-25, you're giving yourself a little more in the way of options.
Also, presumably salaries players would have to be going the other way to make this work, and in my opinion it is unlikely that Bozak or Lupul would waive for Carolina - and they would be your prime candidates.
22 hours ago on Tuesday Mashup: Leafs Links
@CanuckUKinToronto @Cameron19 @ShotgunCharlie You know with Anderson you're getting an up and down goalie though. When he's on, he's capable of stealing a lot of games. And with Lehner, well, he's just young.
23 hours, 33 minutes ago on Monday Mashup: 28 Days to Preseason
@MaxwellHowe That doesn't help them achieve that though.
23 hours, 41 minutes ago on Monday Mashup: 28 Days to Preseason
@CanuckUKinToronto @ShotgunCharlie 6.4M is a pretty safe number though. There are goalies in that range by themselves, without considering their back-up. Possibly they're of the opinion that moving forward, two rested goalies is going to be important.
23 hours, 42 minutes ago on Monday Mashup: 28 Days to Preseason
@loomx @Cameron19 The question is whether we're headed in that direction though - not whether specific guesses are accurate or not.
For the record, I consistently argue that it is nonsense. I hate the idea, and I don't believe in it. But it is interesting to try to argue the other side. And to be fair to my friend, he does a much better job arguing it than I did.
23 hours, 44 minutes ago on Monday Mashup: 28 Days to Preseason
@loomx @Cameron19 Using a spear is not the same as using cybernetic limbs.
1 day, 7 hours ago on Monday Mashup: 28 Days to Preseason
@loomx @Cameron19 That's generally the idea of where we're headed, according to these people. Tech will become so thorough, that we basically replace the current versions of ourselves with something indistinguishable. You keep focusing on my specific examples, but I'm just hypothesizing what that might look like - I have no idea. No one does. It will be a cumulative effect of many, many things.
Are you really human if you don't have to learn any more? If you don't have fear of pain? If you don't have an organic body? Is emotion experienced the same way in a body that isn't organic?
@loomx @Cameron19 It's not any one change, it's the cumulative effect of all of these things. But you're really making my point for me. Your argument is exactly the same as the singulairty theorists. Basically, you see technology as a part of us, and don't see a way we can use it that discounts our humanity.
@loomx @Cameron19 @Uncle Otis @Cloud09 @Bon Scott was a Leaf fan @DeclanK I understand fear tactics have always existed - that's why I said the fusion of them with the entertainment industry. Also, all those things you just mentioned happen in even greater numbers now, but yes, I am a winner of the genetic and passport lottery having been born a white male Canadian.
@Alec Brownscombe @Cameron19 @Uncle Otis @wiski I'd say fit, for you. Though I'm pretty fit, too. I'm just scrawny.
@loomx @Cameron19 No, but you're fixating on the specific example, and that's not important. Those things are possible now. What about when you can import data to your brain? What about when you can turn off your pain center, or wire your consciousness to a hard drive?
@loomx @Cameron19 @Uncle Otis @Cloud09 @Bon Scott was a Leaf fan @DeclanK Yea, but in every field, advancements are being delayed.
Marx didn't foresee the fusion of fear tactics and the entertainment industry stupifying the population. When he was around, people got pissed off and demanded answers from their political figures, and their political figures were capable of enacting changes to address those concerns. Now people don't vote, they don't care, and their politicians have no power even if they did.
1 day, 8 hours ago on Monday Mashup: 28 Days to Preseason
@loomx @Cameron19 Also, the fact that they aren't insidious is the whole point.
@Luke_R @loomx @Cameron19 Yes and no. Again, your friend sees the end game as being a physical conflict where the robots rise up, and singularity says taht won't be necessary.
@loomx @Cameron19 Right, but now we're actually getting to the point where we can physically replace things that we don't like. I mean, not next year or anything, but looking at the big picture, pretty soon. Building tools and creating vaccines isn't the same as replacing your eyes with bionic devices. It isn't the same as gene therapy and 3D printing creating organs for us. But regardless, that's not really the point. The point is, that the immersion is ever-increasing, perhaps eventually to the point where people don't recognize it as evasive or what have you.
@loomx @Cameron19 http://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/7-medical-advances-to-watch-in-2014-180948286/?no-ist
@loomx @Cameron19 @Uncle Otis @Cloud09 @Bon Scott was a Leaf fan @DeclanK Yea, but if you ignore the suppressing of energy bit, it's the same basic problem - a very small group of people control everything. These people have more power than anyone in the Marx era ever imagined. Marx disliked the notion of capitalism. What we have now is a mutated, bastardized version of something that was heavily flawed to begin with.
And technology definitely is being suppressed. There's no doubt about that.
@Uncle Otis @Cameron19 @Cloud09 @Bon Scott was a Leaf fan @DeclanK Yes, he is consistently downplayed as a former drug addict, but he's right on the money. He knows what he's talking about.
@loomx @Cameron19 It's already happening. Cybernetic limbs. Nanotechnology. Our original design was fine - we were gifted with a brain.
@Uncle Otis @wiski @Cameron19 I'm skinnier, actually.
@Uncle Otis @Cameron19 @Cloud09 @Bon Scott was a Leaf fan @DeclanK https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YR4CseY9pk
@Uncle Otis @Cameron19 @Cloud09 @Bon Scott was a Leaf fan @DeclanK He's been calling for a revolution for some time now
@Uncle Otis @Cloud09 @Bon Scott was a Leaf fan @DeclanK Russell Brand knows it.
Speaking of world views, I have a recurrent argument with a friend of mine who is very strongly invested in the singularity theory. For those that don't know, it is basically the idea that our slow and steady immersion with technology will eventually lead to the development of artificial intelligence advanced enough to surpass humanity - that we are in effect, creating our replacement.
Now, the natural counter to this is that the human spirit would never allow this to happen. We tend to imagine this scenario playing out like it does in a Hollywood movie - with the machines rising up and taking over. But, those invested in it don't think it will happen that way. They don't think there will be an opportunity for man to respond. It will happen so slowly, we will simply accept it. You see the beginning of it now. People are basically attached to their phones, and by extension, all the knowledge of the internet. Soon enough, medical advancements will create physical links that actually exceed our original "design".
To me, this is the most depressing thing there is. To my friend, he sees this as the optimistic solution to all of the problems humanity has created over the years.
@wiski @Cameron19 I'm thinking about it.
@wiski @Cameron19 I don't have a bucket or a camera. ;)
@Bon Scott was a Leaf fan @Cameron19 @Cloud09 @DeclanK @Uncle Otis Hmm, no I don't know that I believe in the Illuminati or things like that. While I understand the theory that oppression seems to be handled so masterfully that it must have been planned, I think that greed just keeps everything flowing in that direction.
Having said that, you don't have to believe in that sort of entity to gather the same kind of outlook. Look at the media industry for example. That is probably the best example of an oligarchy in the world. 200 men are ultimately responsible for 95% of all images we see everyday. They're the executives of Disney and Universal and those few companies that own everything. And that kind of conglomeration is happening in all industries.
Life outside of Earth? It would be incredibly arrogant to assume that in the vastness of the universe, humanity is the only intelligent life that exists. However, it's not impossible.
@wiski They're all listed on the side.
@Bon Scott was a Leaf fan @Cameron19 @Cloud09 @DeclanK @Uncle Otis What? I'm a hardcore left wing guy on stuff like this (corporations, and media and oil tycoons).