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@dlb Mad @Cameron19 I wasn't. I have no problem with him employing a checking line. My issue is with the fact that he doesn't seem to understand that this is what has caused a lot of his success in the past. He hated Grabovski for doing that job well enough for the team to succeed - but expected more offense. It's like he doesn't understand the roles he creates for players, or their consequences.
If he's decided to use Komarov's line this way - that's a good thing!
0 minutes ago on Leafs Notebook – October 20
@dlb Mad @Cameron19 It wasn't a criticism of Carlyle - relax. If there is a criticism there, it's that he seemed to get away from doing what has worked.
14 minutes ago on Leafs Notebook – October 20
@Mind Bomb @Cameron19 @ingy56 It was Pent_House, wasn't it?
41 minutes ago on Leafs Notebook – October 20
@ingy56 That's the only time Carlyle's system has ever been successful - when he had a 3rd line he could absolutely bury in defensive zone starts against top lines and come away with minimal damage.
46 minutes ago on Leafs Notebook – October 20
@loomx @Cameron19 @Jay_Berg Nothing new since then?
15 hours, 32 minutes ago on Sunday Mashup: Not All Bad
@Jay_Berg Is it sounding more and more like something is happening with them?
15 hours, 33 minutes ago on Sunday Mashup: Not All Bad
@Xxxxxnew What about for forwards?
22 hours, 29 minutes ago on Game Review: Game #6, Red Wings 1 vs. Maple Leafs 0 (OT)
@Yaknowwhat I think they helped pick the roster, but now that it's picked they're giving him enough rope to hang himself.
1 day, 1 hour ago on Game Review: Game #6, Red Wings 1 vs. Maple Leafs 0 (OT)
@Zep2 Even with some ridiculously bad Franson turnovers.
@djamon @Anthony Petrielli I like to think that Nonis was just trying to screw someone else over by raising the price....but in my heart I know it isn't true....
@LyGuy @Bring the Cup Home Can't sign an extension until Jan 1st anyways.
@LyGuy I think after Giroux he's the most untouchable guy on their roster.
@ninepaces @VCSteel_Wind Ha. Relax. No need for the name calling.
@Bring the Cup Home @Cameron19 @T K O Yea, but Phaneuf is never going to waive to go to Edmonton when his wife is in showbiz and his home is on the East coast. And even if he would, like you said, they don't really have anything that helps us. Trading Phaneuf for Eberle - while fantastic value for Phaneuf - actually makes us a MUCH worse team.
@T K O @Cameron19 @Bring the Cup Home No. He doesn't. In general, the teams make no sense as trade partners.
1 day, 2 hours ago on Game Review: Game #6, Red Wings 1 vs. Maple Leafs 0 (OT)
@Bring the Cup Home Neither trade really addresses any of our needs though - as nice as they sound.
@bigjim See down the page.
@Burtonboy @Cameron19 @Mitch92 @WendelGilmour Yea, of course, but that's because they possess the puck so much that the other team can't score.
@Mitch92 @WendelGilmour Tell that to the Kings. One of the lowest scoring teams in the league, but possess the puck constantly.
@mike_84 @Cameron19 @MaxwellHowe @Luke_R No, probably not - but doing so isn't out of the question for them. But again, that's why I say St.Louis is the most likely destination. Minnesota is considered the Toronto of the USA in terms of its hockey status, and he's from right around there - but failing that, I think he'd go to play with all his buddies on a contender.
@WendelGilmour @Mcost61 @Cameron19 I think with these 3 lines, we might see Carlyle able to back off of over-playing Kessel/Bozak. They might actually have to compete for ice-time. After a while, if the other 3 lines are finishing their checks and creating offensive zone time, he's not going to want to go to Kessel unless he has to. I think that would be good for everyone and you might see Phil find another level.
@Luke_R @Cameron19 How sick is this:
Steen - Stastny - Kessel
Schwartz - Backes - Oshie
@Luke_R @Cameron19 Yea, I just don't see it happening. There are hockey factors involved, too. In NSH, Kessel would be expected to be the man again, and still without a quality center. For that reason, I see Columbus as higher on his list than NSH. In St.Louis he would play with Stastny or Backes. In Columbus, with Johansen.
@MaxwellHowe @Cameron19 @Luke_R I think Phil's first choice would be Minnesota, and his second choice would be St.Louis. And I think that a player like Phil gets traded to his 1st or 2nd choice. These are just my guesses, but I'm betting Columbus and Nashville are pretty low on his wish list.
@Luke_R @Cameron19 I doubt very much NSH could afford him now. And he said the bit about a hockey market just a few weeks ago.
@Luke_R And he told them he wouldn't go there. He said he will only go to a hockey market.
What about just the last two trades I mentioned in my fantasy proposal below - the two realistic ones:
Franson + Ashton for Kassian
Holland + Holzer for Larsson
I think that would allow us to create 3 lines who could play the way Carlyle wants, leaving only Bozak and Kessel on an island:
J.V.R. - Kadri - Lupul
Komarov - Santorelli - Clarkson
Winnik - Carrick - Kassian
@TheLoovTrain @Cameron19 @Jay31 They will at the deadline. We'd just have to take back Leopold.
@Luke_R @Cameron19 @Mcost61 I don't know about that. I think that's exaggerating it a bit - and I'm a guy on here advocating trading him. I've seen him cycle the puck when he wants to. I've seen him forecheck with speed instead of body-checks, the way Chicago does it. I think the guy needs a center / winger combo who balances his flaws, or a center who gets the most out of him and draws him into that kind of game. I would concede that maybe his play in his own zone will never improve dramatically, but I think he can help that by being better at the other end.
@Luke_R @Cameron19 @Mcost61 I do wonder if he would go along for that ride a little more if we had a better two-way center that demanded it from him. I mean, hes' not going to listen to Bozak who himself avoids playing that way.
@Bruffins @Cameron19 You don't have to tell me, Bruffins. :)
@Bruffins Yes. Pretty sure.
1 day, 3 hours ago on Game Review: Game #6, Red Wings 1 vs. Maple Leafs 0 (OT)
@Mcost61 It's also because it's becoming quite clear that Kessel and Bozak are never going to play that way.
@wendelsway1 @MaxwellHowe Last year we were posting images of the standings every day.
@wendelsway1 @Burtonboy I'm sorry guys. I don't want you to keep away because of my trade proposals. I thinK I've been pretty good on that front though until the last few days.
@Burtonboy @Cameron19 You know it goes away when we win, but you have to admit it's getting hard to watch this team. Same old, same old. We are going to see some huge trades eventually if this keeps up - that's just the reality of severely undercutting your expectations.
@mike_84 @Cameron19 Yea, I don't know if he's really a paper work kind of guy though. He's a hockey mind, and I think they're grooming him to be GM.
@Jay31 @Cameron19 Kessel would be amazing with those guys. Look what he did at the Olympics. That top six would basically be team USA - Backes, Kessel, Stastny, Oshie.
@Leafs2 Isles1 @Cameron19 @TorontoMapleLeafs Yea, but I'm not really doing anything wildly unrealistic here. St.Louis is looking for an elite game breaking sniper to round out their roster. Tarasenko is probably the piece they'd most easily dangle, because I don't think they'd move Schwartz, Berglund just isn't a good enough piece, and they don't have much else. San Jose develops guys like Wingels repeatedly, so I doubt they'd be too careful about not trading him. McGinn and Winnik were just like him and I'm sure they have someone else behind him in the same mold. Not sure PHI would move Couturier though, that's for sure. Larsson is sitting on the bench in NJ.
There's no crazy deals like "Phaneuf for Edmonton's 1st!"
@Leafs2 Isles1 @Jay31 @TorontoMapleLeafs Depends. You can fire off a couple huge trades out of nowhere before anyone realizes there's a fire sale.
@Burtonboy It's all we have now...
@Fish Head @Cameron19 True story, I forgot they traded this year's and kept their 2014 pick. Whatever then, get their 2016 pick.
@mike_84 I could see them just hiring another assistant GM in that case, for doing the paper work and day to day stuff. In truth, Shanny would be GM with Babcock having his say
@TorontoMapleLeafs @Cameron19 By trading Phil you're getting a fall of 3-4 places in the standings. The goal is to finish low, so you have to look for players who would nicely compliment your future core. I think this would achieve this.
For the record though, I obviously think this is all nonsense and we won't actually do anything.
@Jay31 He probably won't do anything.
@TorontoMapleLeafs @Cameron19 My goal is to build a big team that mostly comes from a defensively responsible background.
@TorontoMapleLeafs I suggested this in the summer. I don't think they do it now.
Kessel to STL for Tarasenko and a 1st in 2015
Phaneuf to SJS for Wingels and a 2nd in 2015
Gardiner + Gauthier + Finn to PHI for Couturier, Grossman
Franson + Ashton to COL Kassian
Holland + Holzer to NJD for Larsson
SIt back and wait. In the summer, put in a big offer for O'Reilly using Bozak as a center piece. Try to land McDavid. Call it a development year on our back-end.
@peterbleafs @Cameron19 @Jay_Berg Kessel maybe, but not the other guys. Phaneuf gets bood every time he touches the puck in his own building.
@peterbleafs @Cameron19 @Jay_Berg Kessel is asked about his weight daily. Phaneuf gets shredded after a win where he puts up a point on the game winner and was a +. Bozak is considered lower than scum because he's not a 1C. Reimer had his reputation pounded into the ground after the last 10 games last year. Losing here is hard.