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@MaxwellHowe @Cameron19 They were pretty focused on Johansen for a while. 

10 hours, 10 minutes ago on Thursday Mashup: Leafs face banged-up Blue Jackets tomorrow

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@MaxwellHowe @Cameron19 Nick is the heart and soul of the Blue Jackets. They won't be trading him unless he wants to leave, and he's a much better player than his brother. 

10 hours, 39 minutes ago on Thursday Mashup: Leafs face banged-up Blue Jackets tomorrow

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Foligno may play tomorrow. 

10 hours, 49 minutes ago on Thursday Mashup: Leafs face banged-up Blue Jackets tomorrow

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@deedrag @Cameron19 @docmma @TheLoovTrain Yea, but still, size is always necessary at some point, and we don't really have it anywhere in that group. And we lack two-way forwards like crazy. 

19 hours, 12 minutes ago on Game Review: Game #9, Toronto Maple Leafs 4 vs. Buffalo Sabres 0

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@docmma @TheLoovTrain Which I guess leads me to consider roster reconstruction - at least in the forward ranks. 

19 hours, 12 minutes ago on Game Review: Game #9, Toronto Maple Leafs 4 vs. Buffalo Sabres 0

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@TheLoovTrain @Cameron19 Yea, but I have quite a bit of faith in that happening.

19 hours, 16 minutes ago on Game Review: Game #9, Toronto Maple Leafs 4 vs. Buffalo Sabres 0

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@docmma @TheLoovTrain @Cameron19 My concern is, with that team as it is above, I would want the 3 blanks to be filled by guys with size, speed and two-way capabilities. Which is a tall order. Brown, Johnson, Leivo - those guys are going to be more of the same inserted into that line-up. 

19 hours, 17 minutes ago on Game Review: Game #9, Toronto Maple Leafs 4 vs. Buffalo Sabres 0

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@TheLoovTrain @Cameron19 If guys like that work out, and are actually legitimate replacements for a guy like Lupul, then you are saving even more money towards getting that 1 top line player. 

19 hours, 18 minutes ago on Game Review: Game #9, Toronto Maple Leafs 4 vs. Buffalo Sabres 0

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Going into the 2017 season without significant changes to the core and assuming conservative cap growth:

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Nylander (0.925) - __________ - Kessel (8.00)

J.V.R. (4.25) - Kadri (4.50) - ____________

___________ - Santorelli (2.00) - Clarkson (5.25)

Komarov (2.95) - Gauthier (0.894) - Winnik (1.50)

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Rielly (5.00) - Phaneuf (7.00)

Percy (2.50) - Polak (3.50)

Loov (0.693) - Franson (4.50)

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Bernier (5.25) - Bibeau (0.655)

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CAP CEILING: 75M

CAP HIT: 60.7M

CAP SPACE: 14.3M

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This assumes we move on from Bozak, Lupul, Gardiner and Reimer, and find Robidas a new home in the last year of his deal - all pretty do-able cap moves. Sounds like a lot, but over 2+ years, it's not. Is 14.3M enough to competently fill out those 3 major blanks? I dunno. It's tight. But not impossible. We would presumably have a lot of young cheap talent from the trades and our own draft picks in 2015 and 2016, as well as Leivo, Finn, etc...

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Cap is a concern but it's not the end of the world for us. 

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19 hours, 23 minutes ago on Game Review: Game #9, Toronto Maple Leafs 4 vs. Buffalo Sabres 0

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@deedrag @Cameron19 Well, I think everyone on the roster save Clarkson is movable. If a trade for a 1C presents itself, you can move Kadri or Bozak pretty easily, either as part of the deal, or in a separate deal. If you really have to move Phaneuf, I think you could do it. 

19 hours, 36 minutes ago on Game Review: Game #9, Toronto Maple Leafs 4 vs. Buffalo Sabres 0

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@docmma @Cameron19 @deedrag In some ways, it already does. Look at Niskanen and Orpik signing their monster deals this off-season. Those are second and third pairing D-men. And if Dion is in "decline", then Orpik is in free fall. 

19 hours, 37 minutes ago on Game Review: Game #9, Toronto Maple Leafs 4 vs. Buffalo Sabres 0

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@deedrag He'll be 35 when the contract ends. I suspect he'll be just as he is now until he's 33/34. If they buy him out at that point,it would probably be ill-advised. You can live with bad contracts on your roster if you're not signing them every other year and otherwise mismanaging the cap. No more Clarkson's, and we'll be fine. 

19 hours, 44 minutes ago on Game Review: Game #9, Toronto Maple Leafs 4 vs. Buffalo Sabres 0

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@Anthony Petrielli @Cameron19 @DeclanK @Knights2Leafs Kadri may be better than Bozak, although statistically, Nazem still hasn't shown it. Again though, that doesn't make Bozak not a top six. If Kadri starts putting up more points than Bozak, that will mean he's putting up a lot of points. 

20 hours, 25 minutes ago on Game Review: Game #9, Toronto Maple Leafs 4 vs. Buffalo Sabres 0

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@Anthony Petrielli @DeclanK @Cameron19 @Knights2Leafs Sounds to me like they ask about player intentions first before sending out formal invites. Prevents the media backlash when players decline.

20 hours, 30 minutes ago on Game Review: Game #9, Toronto Maple Leafs 4 vs. Buffalo Sabres 0

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@Anthony Petrielli @DeclanK @Cameron19 @Knights2Leafs I guess the question is, at what point can we just acknowledge he's probably a good player worthy of top six minutes? If our top line was Kopitar/JVR, and our second line was Bozak/Kessel, I'm guessing everyone would think we had a sick top six forward group with two solid centers. Problem is that we lack the match-up center. Doesn't make the guys we have not worthy of top six though. 

20 hours, 34 minutes ago on Game Review: Game #9, Toronto Maple Leafs 4 vs. Buffalo Sabres 0

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@docmma @Cameron19 @Potcy @Anthony Petrielli @wendelsfist But to me, worrying about Phaneuf missing the net was such a misplaced worry. Watch any of the big point shots in the league and notice they all do the same. Phaneuf has actually been proven to be middle of the pack for accuracy in that situation - it's just the intense focus in Toronto that makes people think otherwise. 

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Wiring the puck, and being sporadic occasionally, has its merits, too. It forces the defenders to be less aggressive for starters. If they think there's a cannon being shot into their face, they're not going to charge at it full speed - they're just not. Missed shots also create scrambles and force defenders out of position and open up new passing lanes. 

20 hours, 38 minutes ago on Game Review: Game #9, Toronto Maple Leafs 4 vs. Buffalo Sabres 0

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@Anthony Petrielli @Cameron19 @Knights2Leafs What 3Cs do you know that score at 75 point rates - regardless of their line-mates? Imagine Bozak in Chicago: all of the talent he has on his wings now, none of the stiff competition. There are many good teams that would shift someone to the wing to make room for him in their top six, too, in my opinion. 

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I know that he isn't a match-up guy, but offense is still at a premium in this league. At the end of the day, scoring goals still matters, and still gets rewarded the most financially. This guy would get scooped up in a heartbeat if we wanted to move him. 

20 hours, 41 minutes ago on Game Review: Game #9, Toronto Maple Leafs 4 vs. Buffalo Sabres 0

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@docmma @Cameron19 @Potcy @Anthony Petrielli @wendelsfist I know, just the fanfare his shot gets irks me sometimes. I don't think it's that great, for starters, and worse, I think he only gets it off when we revolve the play around opening him up for the shot. He's so immobile, Phil and Dion have to work and work to get it to him, and if it's not perfect, he just bumbles it. But every once and a while he'll hammer one into the net and all is forgiven. 

20 hours, 47 minutes ago on Game Review: Game #9, Toronto Maple Leafs 4 vs. Buffalo Sabres 0

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@Anthony Petrielli @Cameron19 @Knights2Leafs I think you might really be under-estimating how cheap 4.2M is today. Edmonton is paying that for Benoit Pouliot and Teddy Purcell. 

20 hours, 49 minutes ago on Game Review: Game #9, Toronto Maple Leafs 4 vs. Buffalo Sabres 0

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@docmma @Cameron19 @Potcy @Anthony Petrielli @wendelsfist Franson is just such a one trick pony. I can't wait till the day he's not on our PP any more. 

20 hours, 51 minutes ago on Game Review: Game #9, Toronto Maple Leafs 4 vs. Buffalo Sabres 0

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@Anthony Petrielli @Cameron19 @Knights2Leafs Chicago. Vancouver. Edmonton. Calgary. Phoenix. Dallas (they're using Spezza as the center for Seguin/Benn). Winnipeg. Washington. I could go on...

20 hours, 51 minutes ago on Game Review: Game #9, Toronto Maple Leafs 4 vs. Buffalo Sabres 0

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@Anthony Petrielli @Cameron19 @Knights2Leafs  At 4.2M scoring at a 75 point rate since signing his deal? I think we're okay. He could be moved tomorrow, and for a good return, in my opinion. 

20 hours, 54 minutes ago on Game Review: Game #9, Toronto Maple Leafs 4 vs. Buffalo Sabres 0

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@docmma @Cameron19 @Potcy @Anthony Petrielli @wendelsfist I think that our Marlies "depth" has really contributed to the Phaneuf-hate out there. The fact is though, none of those guys are going to step up and replace Dion. Not now, not in 3 years from now, and likely not ever. We have a couple of guys who might be top 4 material, and a bunch of guys who are bottom pair and extra material. 

20 hours, 55 minutes ago on Game Review: Game #9, Toronto Maple Leafs 4 vs. Buffalo Sabres 0

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@Knights2Leafs @Anthony Petrielli Still really only have one bad contract in my opinion. Clarkson is immovable. Phaneuf's deal isn't great, but it isn't an anchor, either. 

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EDIT: But yes, I very much agree with the sentiment. Wasted a buyout on Grabovski to bring in Clarkson and also wound up wasting 5 years of cap space on Liles/Gleason in the process. 

20 hours, 57 minutes ago on Game Review: Game #9, Toronto Maple Leafs 4 vs. Buffalo Sabres 0

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@docmma @Cameron19 @MaxwellHowe Yea, the Bruins are a more intense current rival, but the fact that those games still matter so much to everyone, and the Leafs have been futile for so long, is proof of the poignancy of the rivalry. 

20 hours, 59 minutes ago on Game Review: Game #9, Toronto Maple Leafs 4 vs. Buffalo Sabres 0

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@docmma @Potcy @Anthony Petrielli @wendelsfist Only if it can be used significantly better. People always say that, but imagine trying to replace Phaneuf. You get a guy to do it at say 5M, and he's, overall, a little worse than Phaneuf (but far less hated because of the money). What have you really gained? 2M in cap space and a marginal drop in talent.

21 hours ago on Game Review: Game #9, Toronto Maple Leafs 4 vs. Buffalo Sabres 0

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@MaxwellHowe @Cameron19 @docmma I think you're kidding yourself if you think that. It's an indoctrinated, deeply entrenched rivalry that goes far beyond current rosters and their respective chances at the Cup. 

21 hours, 2 minutes ago on Game Review: Game #9, Toronto Maple Leafs 4 vs. Buffalo Sabres 0

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@docmma I don't understand why he took such heat for his stance on that. It would be like any of us being traded to a Habs forum. Sure, we could be part of that community, but at what cost? At what cost!?

21 hours, 8 minutes ago on Game Review: Game #9, Toronto Maple Leafs 4 vs. Buffalo Sabres 0

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@Leafs2 Isles1 @Cameron19 @Yaknowwhat @Burtonboy  I don't know about that. Once Schultz left them, they spent two years scrambling to find defenders and finished in the bottom 10, largely because of an inability to move the puck to their forwards...and of course, Randy Carlyle. They're still signing defenders every off-season to try and plug holes back there.

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If the college story is true, I can see why Schultz left, and that does make sense, as I recall hearing that he also didn't like the way Anaheim told him what to do. I don't think a disagreement like that can be used to determine how an organization felt about a player long term though. It sounds like they wanted both players on their roster as soon as possible. By not obliging them, they came 'not part of the plan"? Seems a little far fetched to me.

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Despite current success, there were 2 or 3 years there where Bob Murray appeared a bumbling idiot. Making bad trades and letting lots of guys leave for nothing.

1 day, 1 hour ago on Game Review: Game #9, Toronto Maple Leafs 4 vs. Buffalo Sabres 0

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@Potcy @Yaknowwhat  The problem is that the way the league conducts business has changed since we started our rebuild, and not to our advantage. Conversely, for Pittsburgh and Chicago, everything fell into place for them. The onset of the cap opened up trade possibilities and left teams unable to sign free agents initially.. There were still teams clinging to veterans and not really understanding the importance of youth and affordability yet.

1 day, 1 hour ago on Game Review: Game #9, Toronto Maple Leafs 4 vs. Buffalo Sabres 0

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@Potcy @Cameron19 @Yaknowwhat  Yea, but the big flaw in our plan is that we're never going to be able to get a 1C. Too good to finish bottom 3, so always counting on a long shot, or luck pick. When we started this road, trades were still a legitimate option. They're just not now.

1 day, 1 hour ago on Game Review: Game #9, Toronto Maple Leafs 4 vs. Buffalo Sabres 0

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@Leafs2 Isles1 @Yaknowwhat @Burtonboy  I think you're thinking of JVR, unless that happened with Gardiner, as well.

1 day, 1 hour ago on Game Review: Game #9, Toronto Maple Leafs 4 vs. Buffalo Sabres 0

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@Yaknowwhat @Burtonboy  Thank you for proving my point above about built in narratives, lol

1 day, 1 hour ago on Game Review: Game #9, Toronto Maple Leafs 4 vs. Buffalo Sabres 0

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@Yaknowwhat @Potcy  The thing is, shedding veterans sounds nice when you imagine the picks working out, but the teams making those trades with you are drafting 20-30. There are maybe 2-3 NHL players in that group, and the usually aren't impact guys, unless you get very, very lucky. So counting on luck isn't much of an option for me. That's basically what we're doing now when we hope our own pick becomes a Kopitar like pick outside the top 5 (or even 10).

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If I were going to go in that direction, I would be going for already drafted players at the very least. This way you get some known value back. Problem with Toronto is that making that kind of deal comes with a built in narrative - whoever we acquire is a guy the other team "gave up on".

1 day, 1 hour ago on Game Review: Game #9, Toronto Maple Leafs 4 vs. Buffalo Sabres 0

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@Savo43 @Cameron19  It's not like they didn't try him at center and just randomly decided to make him a winger.

1 day, 3 hours ago on Game Review: Game #9, Toronto Maple Leafs 4 vs. Buffalo Sabres 0

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@Savo43  Another guy who has been moved o the wing...

1 day, 3 hours ago on Game Review: Game #9, Toronto Maple Leafs 4 vs. Buffalo Sabres 0

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@Anthony Petrielli @Cameron19  With some reason. I mean, his management group is trying to lose.

1 day, 3 hours ago on Game Review: Game #9, Toronto Maple Leafs 4 vs. Buffalo Sabres 0

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@Anthony Petrielli  The Anaheim announcers tore him apart and broke down video on a few occasions where he was making some big errors. Specifically, when the other team starts a break out, he calls his man, and then let him skate right by him.

1 day, 3 hours ago on Game Review: Game #9, Toronto Maple Leafs 4 vs. Buffalo Sabres 0

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@Yan28 @philthethrill People didn't understand it then, but this is what Burke was trying to avoid when he knew we were a bad team (I mean, Stajan and Poni on your top line bad), and what he's still trying to avoid in Calgary. Getting McDavid isn't a win if when he arrives your entire roster is just a bunch of losers who have accepted losing. The teams with successful tank model rebuilds weren't trying to be bad every year. They didn't purposely design rosters that would lose.

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I wouldn't want to do it the Buffalo way. When I talk about blowing it up, I'm talking more about the Colorado way. Still trying to put a winning product on the ice, but acknowledging around the deadline or before that assets need to go, and a bottom 5 finish + extra picks will be more beneficial than a 12th overall pick and assets lost for nothing. A bottom out, and then an attempt to regather oneself immediately. Not years and years of failure. 

1 day, 5 hours ago on Game Review: Game #9, Toronto Maple Leafs 4 vs. Buffalo Sabres 0

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@Yan28 Really only a half truth. The Leafs have lots of flexibility. if they wanted to bring in Spezza - which they shouldn't - he would cost 6M or so. You'd have to move Bozak to do it. Not that hard. 

1 day, 6 hours ago on Game Review: Game #9, Toronto Maple Leafs 4 vs. Buffalo Sabres 0

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@mcloki I'm still pretty firmly in the blow it up camp, but one thing I'll say is that you can't just totally write off what happened last night. We didn't just beat Buffalo - a bad team. We beat them more thoroughly than I've seen any team beat another team in the NHL in a long time. They didn't even manufacture a scoring chance. 10 shots on net - all of them terrible. It's not like we scraped out a win. We absolutely destroyed them. 

1 day, 7 hours ago on Game Review: Game #9, Toronto Maple Leafs 4 vs. Buffalo Sabres 0

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@dlb Mad @Cameron19 Certainly not a professional athlete like yourself. 

1 day, 8 hours ago on Game Review: Game #9, Toronto Maple Leafs 4 vs. Buffalo Sabres 0

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@Mind Bomb @vinoa @dlb Mad Scary thought, for sure, but I think the people who have stood behind Phanef would be vindicated. 

1 day, 8 hours ago on Game Review: Game #9, Toronto Maple Leafs 4 vs. Buffalo Sabres 0

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@dlb Mad @Cameron19 I'm a twat, a clown, rubbish, a joke....but you know all, because you're a hockey player! My apologies. 

1 day, 8 hours ago on Game Review: Game #9, Toronto Maple Leafs 4 vs. Buffalo Sabres 0

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@dlb Mad @Bruffins So now we have to grant you elements of your argument, when you are totally unwilling to reciprocate? Wow. 

1 day, 8 hours ago on Game Review: Game #9, Toronto Maple Leafs 4 vs. Buffalo Sabres 0

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@dlb Mad @Cameron19 I'm not twisting anything. That's what you said, lol. No twisting required. 

1 day, 8 hours ago on Game Review: Game #9, Toronto Maple Leafs 4 vs. Buffalo Sabres 0

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@dlb Mad @vinoa You called yourself arrogant first, after you said everyone who disagreed with you was a novice who didn't understand the game on the same level as you, lol.

1 day, 8 hours ago on Game Review: Game #9, Toronto Maple Leafs 4 vs. Buffalo Sabres 0

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@dlb Mad No one is asking you to change your opinion. You aren't even allowing for another perspective though. You're discounting everything that isn't exactly your commentary as "rubbish" coming from "clowns" who haven't been in enough dressing rooms. 

1 day, 8 hours ago on Game Review: Game #9, Toronto Maple Leafs 4 vs. Buffalo Sabres 0

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