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I don't know why, but I've got a feeling Miller will end up starting a lot of games at the 3 this year, getting 15-20 minutes as the starter. Size wise, defensively, shooting - I just think he's the kind of guy we need in there. I like the idea of him much more than I do Salmons. Maybe the old man has something left, who knows, but I think I'd rather ride w/ the young guy, especially after the way he played at the end of last year.
2 days, 14 hours ago on Why The New Orleans Pelicans Shouldn’t Play Transition Basketball
@Lebron2Pels2014 @Michael McNamara @ChancelorBoudreaux Nash already said he isn't retiring. IF he's open to playing for us, I think he would be great off the bench running the 2nd unit w/ Ryno, as well as stealing so minutes at the 2. He's still a knockdown shooter. If not, stretching him or using his expiring deal at the deadline could also work.
3 weeks, 2 days ago on New Orleans Pelicans Free Agency and Rumors Thread
@xman20002000 his efficiency numbers are terrible. Go look at the numbers. The least efficient number: 47%. That's the percentage of number of games he's actually played.
@xman20002000 @DavidLeBoeuf @JannyMeza
He got all that money because DD made a big ole fat MISTAKE. He has been a mistake from the jump. He's been a mistake that DD has been trying to correct for a year and a half now.
Perhaps I have season tickets and watched just about every game for the past 4 years. Perhaps I see him miss layup after layup in transition, play terrible help defense, etc. Perhaps I know he is grossly overpaid and will never be on this team when it turns into a winner.
After all the games he missed, if Eric Gordon was a race horse he would have been put down already. He's been STEALING money from this team. A guy w/ a ton of talent and ability but a crappy attitude and a brittle body. The best ability is avail-ability: and he's never available.
@xman20002000 @JannyMeza his raw stats are average, his advanced stats are bad, his splits are terrible, he is an absolute negative defensively, he makes 15 million a year and has played about 100 games in three seasons. I think there are plenty of reasons to trade him - and he isn't close to being our 2nd 3rd or 4th best player. Those guys actually play in games.
Okafor and Ariza actually would both be perfect fits. Okafor as the 3rd option making 14-15 million a year was a train wreck combined with a dumpster fire. Just a terrible, terrible combination. That doesn't mean Okafor was bad when he was here. It wasn't his fault he was signed to a near max contract by a dumb GM. I think Okafor, starting at center, playing 20-25 minutes a game and giving way to Ryno at crunch time would be a perfect scenario.
Ariza is in much the same boat as Okafor. His full MLE contract combined with him being the #1 wing threat on a team is a terrible position to put him in, both for him and for the team. Ariza as the #5 offensive option, alongside 3 other plus defenders (4 if there is a lineup w/ he and Okafor instead of Anderson), puts him in a position to succeed.
1 month, 2 weeks ago on New Orleans Pelicans MLE Tournament: Emeka Okafor vs. Trevor Ariza
He's a good ball player. He deserves to be in the NBA for sure. However, if we use cap space to bring this dude back so I can watch him dribble out the shot clock to 7 seconds and chuck up a 3 I will jump out of the window.
2 months ago on Season in Review: Brian Roberts
@Cadenza94 @504ever Aminu should be played as a small ball PF. He's an elite rebounder and can finish near the basket. Problem is we always have him sitting out on the perimeter trying to force him into being a 3
3 months ago on Would a Big Cap Increase Help or Hurt the Pelicans?
@Michael McNamara @504ever I understand the premise of the article, but I really think that this will be a moot point. I believe Dell will make a few deals that will change up the situation significantly before free agency gets into full swing.
@ykendall87 @DavidLeBoeuf been here since '02 bro. Mash, BD, plastic man. I guess I just have higher standards for who hangs in our rafters
3 months, 4 weeks ago on Of Course the Pelicans Will Not Retire Chris Paul’s Jersey
Chris Paul did what he did. If there was no benson, there would be NO team here. None. They would be In San Jose.
In the long run he made no true lasting impact. 1 playoff series win, no true influence on anything. He could have done whatever he did, if there was no benson, they'd be in damn San Jose.
Stop slurping him. He was a great player for a few years. Made good memories. Did good things. Left us Ina time of need. Blamed us for not winning and hadn't won anything since either.
@SportsPillowTlk All of those guys were either great players who were the some of the best players on championship teams (Erving, Drexler - also from houston and played basketball at the University of Houston), were very good players who had extended runs with those teams (Blackman, Vinnie Johnson), Were great players on teams that had unprecedented success including playoff runs and division titles (Chambers, Divac, Hardaway). The also ALL parted with their franchises on good terms and are universally loved by the teams fan bases.
CP3 comes close, especially to that last group. Two playoff appearances and one series win just doesn't move the needle for me, especially after just six seasons and his unceremonious departure. If his number is retired, then Larry Johnson and Alonzo Mourning should be retired. Similar timelines and success.
@ykendall87 I never said he did nothing. I never said I hoped his knees gave out. You continue to put words in my mouth.
Julius Erving spent only 4 seasons w/ the Nets. He was a two time ABA MVP and led the Nets to two ABA CHAMPIONSHIPS and was a huge part of the reason why the Nets were absorbed into the NBA.
Rolondo Blackman spent 11 years w/ the Mavericks and was a 4 time All-Star.
Vinnie Johnson spent 11 years with the Pistons and was part of two NBA championship teams.
Tim Hardaway spent parts of 6 seasons with the Heat, leading them to four consecutive division titles and an Eastern Conference Finals appearance. He had 3 all star appearances and a 1st team all NBA selection while in Miami.
Clyde Drexler only spent 3 seasons in Houston. He was a 2x All Star, part of an NBA Championship team in 95-96. He also grew up in Houston, went to high School in Houston, and attended and played college basketball at the University of Houston. He currently still resides in Houston.
Vlade Divac was in Sacramento for six seasons. 1x All-star, part of the most successful stretch of Kings basketball ever including six playoff appearances and 4 playoff series victories.
Tom Chambers played for Suns for 5 years, was a 2x All Star, led the team to two Western Conference Finals appearances in his first two years, averaging 25 and 27 ppg in those seasons, and was the sixth man on the 1992-93 Western Conference Championship teams.
There are some common themes here. Long stretches w/ the franchise and/or unprecedented team success, including championships, division titles, and playoff series victories. All of these players also left their teams on good terms and, many are still involved w/ the franchises or stay involved in their respective communities.
@ykendall87 I'm not slighting him. I'm stating facts. You sound like one of those fake clipper fans that love CP3 and followed him to L.A.
@ykendall87 @DavidLeBoeuf He left a 47 win playoff team w/ a new GM that he supposedly liked and a new head coach that he supposedly liked. The ownership situation was in flux, but it was obvious the NBA's intention was to keep the team in New Orleans. He had one MVP caliber year, 2 other all star years, and another borderline all star year.
@ykendall87 @Jason Calmes That's fine. If that is the argument, then David West and Tyson Chandler have every right Chris Paul does to have their jerseys retired.
No where in my comment did I WISH him bad knees. It's a well known fact that the dude has bad knees. You saw him tonight: the explosiveness wasn't even close. He's on the decline. I wouldn't want to be paying him 20 million a year for the next 5 years.
I told you I have no problem w him leaving. I have a problem w retiring a players number that decided to leave.
Probably. Franchise doesn't have much history though. Bc he's the best of a mediocre past doesn't make him an automatic retired jersey.
Tom Benson is the main reason they are in New Orleans.
I don't care what the circumstances are or were. That guy did not do enough for this franchise to have his jersey retired. He had the right to force his way out, and when he did, he forfeited the right to be honored in the highest honor by the franchise. Should deron Williams be retired in Utah? Melo in Denver? Bosh in Toronto? No no and hell no. That is the category that CP3 falls into in New Orleans. 6 seasons, 3 time all star, little to no real playoff success, no lasting impact on the culture or future of the franchise he left = no jersey retirement. Easy argument.
@ykendall87 They don't give statues to dudes who get bounced in the 1st/2nd round every year. Well, the Clippers might. CP/Blake have about a two year window to win something before that chronic knee of CP's starts to drain him of his physical gifts. He will still be a productive player after that but not one of the best in the world anymore.
No way should this dude have his jersey retired. No way, no how. We want to be a great franchise, right? Would Chris Paul's run in Boston got him in the rafters w/ the C's? In staples w/ the Lakers? 2 appearances, 1 playoff series win in 6 seasons? No thanks. He decided to move on, leave us, and good for him. I'm sure the Clippers will slap his face all over the side of the arena for all of the first round exits he has/will produce(d). They can have em.
I appreciate the great player he was here. I appreciate the memories he contributed to. I don't want that dude hanging in my arena's rafters. Sorry if it's harsh, but it's how I feel.
Disaster of a season. I have zero confidence going forward. zero. Bad day for the season ticket renewals to come out.
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@yaboytonez Kobe-Bryant like persona??? Who are you watching? I'm usually yelling at the TV for Rivers to shoot the damn ball instead of passing up open shots! I think he's trying too hard to be TOO unselfish. He says all the right things. Doesn't pout. Plays hard. Plays good D. The jump from last year to this year has been fantastic, but he is still in a kids body. He can get to the rim whenever he wants, but he has got to get stronger so he can absorb that contact and still finish. I'll wait until he fills out before I make a final observation, but as far as attitude, you are WAY off base.
5 months, 3 weeks ago on Austin Rivers is no longer Historically Awful
@Michael McNamara It's on the espn highlights.
5 months, 4 weeks ago on Pelicans Beat Magic, Anthony Davis is a Monstar
@tzander01 he makes too much money. We can get 2 or 3 guys who can make up for what he does for the money we pay him. 15 million for options and flexibility? Can't win that way.
6 months, 1 week ago on Eric Gordon and Changing the Cast
@ericsnow The Mavs started aggressively trapping EG in the mid-2nd quarter. Got the ball out of his hands. It was usually the big who was guarding Jason Smith. They would run that "blitz trap" that Miami uses, then big would get back. The EG would dribble out of the trap, and the guard would crowd him and the big would help as soon as EG picked a side. Great adjustment by Dallas, something that we don't see very often from our team.
That sub at the end of the third was absolutely the most frustrating thing for me. We had cut the lead to 13 or 14 I think, and then they take EG out and boom: back to 20. That kind of stuff is the stuff that drives me nuts about Monty. Also the fact that he ignores the 3 point line on both ends of the court. 14 3pt FGs to 3? Awful.
6 months, 2 weeks ago on Shorthanded Pelicans Dropped by Mavericks
@xman20002000 @DavidLeBoeuf @GerryV Evans has been averaging damn near a triple double the last 10 games. Gordon doesn't rebound. He doesn't get assists. Doesn't make anyone better offensively. Is gawd awful on the break. Inefficient. Good on ball defender, terrible help defender. Shoots a low percentage.
Gordon is a good player, but is a one trick pony. Every team needs a guy like him who can get to the rim when they want. We already have a few of those guys, and those guys make people better.
Evans is a much better player all around than Gordon. We could take 15 million and get 3 guys (a 3 and D SF, a shooter at SG, and a center who can give you 20 minutes a game) that make you better.
6 months, 2 weeks ago on Pelicans’ late run comes up short in overall flat effort vs. Wizards
@xman20002000 @marios123 If this team didn't have Gordon on the payroll, they could have Lopez, Vasquez, Tyreke, and another 8 million to spend on another player or two and we would be much better off. Lopez-AD-8 million$ SF, Evans, Holiday starting, w/ Smith, Anderson, Vasquez, Aminu, Rivers coming off the bench. This team would be much better off w/o Gordon. The hard part is he has been playing pretty well, but his skill set is redundant and that money could be better used in other places.
@xman20002000 @DavidLeBoeuf @GerryV Onuaku? really? That was your answer?
If this team didn't have Gordon on the payroll, they could have Lopez, Vasquez, Tyreke, and another 8 million to spend on another player or two and we would be much better off. Lopez-AD-8 million$ SF, Evans, Holiday starting, w/ Smith, Anderson, Vasquez, Aminu, Rivers coming off the bench. This team would be much better off w/o Gordon. The hard part is he has been playing pretty well, but his skill set is redundant and that money could be better used in other places.
@GerryV @DavidLeBoeuf Jrue can shoot it. Morrow can. Hell Evans shot 35% from 3 last year, this year he's not even taking any. Gordon's not taking them either. Holiday is around 47% on the catch and shoot/spotting up! Can't just go to the rim all the time, Washington played with 5 guys in the paint all night!
It's hard to make more 3's, when we don't take any damn 3's. Shoot. The. Damn. Ball.
@504ever @DavidLeBoeuf If rudy gay can get traded with that contract, anyone can.
6 months, 3 weeks ago on Complete Team Effort Leads to Pelicans Victory Over Denver
I think Gordon has been playing great. I never really held the "my heart is in phoenix" thing against him either. But it's time to deal him. That 15 million can be used to make us a true contender. Also, Roberts needs to go and Rivers needs to play. Roberts was awful last night. Dude dribbles the shot clock down to 7 and takes a long contested 2 pointer. At least rivers can match up on D and is ok on offense (plus he's 7 years younger). I would take a Rudy Gay type deal for him. Gordon for Wilson Chandler would be great, but after the way WC burned us last night I don't know if Denver would bite.
6 months, 4 weeks ago on Complete Team Effort Leads to Pelicans Victory Over Denver
The best thing for this team would be for Evans and Gordon to switch roles. Having Evans starting with Holdiay has proven to be our best backcourt this season, and as you stated is our backfield of the future going forward. Gordon coming off the bench in a sixth man role, where he can have the ball in his hands constantly and creating for the 2nd unit would be devastating. Evans has been really good with that 2nd unit, but Gordon's ability to knock down the 3 would open that unit up even more.
That being said, if Monty were to make that move Gordon would start crying and go into the tank. So even though I think it would be the best move, I don't think it's possible.
6 months, 4 weeks ago on Jrue Holiday and Tyreke Evans are the Pelicans Backcourt of the Future
Holiday is playing his ass off after a tough start. He has (quietly) been f'n fantastic for the last few weeks. Very encouraging for this team going forward. Come back AD!!!!
7 months, 1 week ago on Pelicans handle Grizzlies
The Cavs have spent the #4, #4, and #1 picks in respective drafts on Tristan Thompson, Dion Waiters, and Anthony Bennett.....Yuck.
8 months ago on Breaking the Cycle
Please play more lineups w/ Aminu at the 4. He kills us offensively as a 3 but as a 4 he's fine. I'd much rather have him playing the 4 than Amundson or Stiemsma.
8 months ago on Pelicans Rally, Beat Cavaliers
@kwilly15bb definitely one game vs. a crap team. It wasn't the result, it was the way they played. Getting to the rim and finishing, spacing the floor, actually TAKING 3 point shots, running off of missed shots and blocks offensively. Defensively the switches were crisp, the rotations were strong and correct, people were in the right spots, opponents weren't getting wide open looks. If they would have played how they did vs. the Jazz, and won by 40, I wouldn't be any more encouraged. Baby steps.
8 months, 1 week ago on Small Sample Size Theater
Best thing Ryan Anderson does on defense is he is a SMART defender. All of his rotations were correct, all of his closeouts were strong. He may not be a good man to man defender, but as a team defender he is what we needed.
This team still needs one more big. If any of our three bigs goes down, the drop off is DRAMATIC. I really wish he would play Aminu as our 4th big in small ball lineups more often and put Amundson in only if we are playing against a team with a big bruiser down low.
Great win. That is all.
At this point, our defense is so bad I would actually consider Asik and Jones/Montejuinus for Anderson. I just don't see it getting any better without another defensive big.
8 months, 1 week ago on Pelicans can’t defend anyone, fall to Jazz
That was pathetic. Why the hell is Jason Smith showing on a high pick n roll higher than the damn pick guy???? What the hell! Go under the pick and get back! That's fundamental basketball. Easy stuff. Go under, show, and get back. Instead both guys show over the pick and the guy is rim running free and easy to the damn goal. And stop cheating off your guy at the 3 point line. Just guard your guy, especially when the play is nowhere near you. You can't help! So bad. So so bad. I'm just so pissed that my ticket rep duped me into season tickets. I should have known better.
RA w/ the 2nd unit will obviously help the spacing, but I think Rivers needs to play more than Roberts. Let Tyreke dominate the ball with the 2nd unit, play him at PG w/ Rivers at the 2, Morrow at the 3, RA at the 4/5 and one of the black-hole bigs (Aminu, Amundson, Stiemsma). No reason Tyreke should be sitting in the corner while Roberts brings the ball up the floor. Tyreke should get it, push it and try to get an easy look, then re-set the offense. I also would like to see more small ball lineups w/ Davis/Aminu at the 4/5 spots. WE need to run on offense, and trap and switch EVERYTHING HARD on defense, just like Miami does. We need to play like the Heat do in order to be successful. Also, run some kind of post up for Tyreke in the half-court. Something!!!!!
8 months, 1 week ago on What’s up with Tyreke?
Thank god that Duke-Kansas game was on so I could flip to something.....anything....else. That was beyond pathetic. We have to RUN. Run on long rebounds, short rebounds, hell - run on made baskets. We don't run, we can't win. We need to play Rivers more. He, at this point, is our 2nd best on ball defender. Best thing about him, is he plays HARD. I don't always get that feel from Holiday, Evans, etc. Gordon has been a bright spot, he's healthy and explosive and has actually been playing hard on a regular basis. Losses to Orlando, twice to Phoenix, and to the crappy Lakers. Never, ever thought this would happen. I am speechless.
8 months, 1 week ago on Lakers Wax Pelicans
Perimeter defense looked a lot better last night. Switches were crisp, hedges were tough. There were still breakdowns from time to time, but I imagine that would have to get better with more time together. Hope so!
8 months, 2 weeks ago on The Pelicans Defense – and why they can’t hold a lead
AD is shooting 10/21 from midrange, but I remember a few of those being bailouts at the end of the shot clock. If he can shoot 50-60% from mid-range that is great. He is shooting only 48% at the rim, but remember he is also shooting about 8 FT's a game. Many of those misses at the rim are plays where he is getting hacked. When he gets stronger and starts finishing some of those "and 1's," look out.
8 months, 2 weeks ago on Pelicans stomp Grizzlies, coast to win
I've found that AD is knocking down those mid-range jumpers pretty damn regularly. I've seen every game except for the Orlando game.
We are already one big short, and without Anderson tonight, we were two bigs short. I doesn't necessarily have to be a "Center," but this team is one big away from being pretty damn good.
8 months, 3 weeks ago on Pelicans crack as Pacers ratchet up pressure
I still think we're being severely undersold. If Davis plays even close to the level that he's been showing in the pre-season, we will be in contention for that 4-5 seed. If that Denver team from last year won 57, we can win 50+. It all depends on Davis. The rest is just background noise.
9 months, 1 week ago on NBA Rank 2: It’s a Celebration
@504ever This team was 15-37 vs. the Western Conference last year. We went 5-11 in the division and lost games to Houston, OKC, SA (3 times), Dallas (2), and Golden State by 4 points or less.
Our list of losses include PHI, PHX, UTAH (3), DEN (2), LAL (3), WAS (2), POR, MIN (3), TOR (2), MIL, ATL, CLE, ORL, and SAC.
Lets say w win 2/3 of those games vs. the Utah, Lakers, Blazers, TWolves, Wizards, Magic of the world that we lost last year, teams we passed up. Splitting in division is feasible, and winning half of those 4 point games that we lost could also be expected. Thats about 20 games that, IMO, we should improve by. You would also have to expect that we split with some of these teams that swept us last year, for example, the Knicks. Also take into account that about half the league will be in full blown tank mode come the trade deadline, and yeah, I think if we aren't near the 50 win mark I will be disappointed.
This year the schedule will be very important. If we open vs a soft schedule and win early, build some cohesiveness, I think we will improve later in the season and can get to 50 wins. If we open vs a soft schedule and blow some easy games early, we may be in trouble, bc even if we get better at the end of the year but we are playing a tougher schedule we may end up high 30's low 40's.
11 months, 4 weeks ago on Playoff Contention Not A Guarantee for the New Orleans Pelicans
@504ever ummm, Davis & Rivers a year older, Gordon being healthy (hopefully), Jrue Holliday, Tyreke Evans....IMO that's 20 wins right there. I think the overlooked thing when looking at this roster is how dramatically improved the defense will be. With AD being a year older and more comfortable as a rim protector, AFA w/ another year under his belt, and most importantly Holliday/Gordon's perimeter defense reducing all the penetration, kickout, wide ass open 3's that we suffered through last year, the defense has to be better. Couple that w/ the pure infusion of talent & the increased pace that Holliday brings to the offense (quicker pace, more possessions, more points). Denver was the 3 seed last year. You can't tell me that talent for talent, this team isn't just as good as that team was last year.
@arabi I have expectations. Last year the 8 seed had 45 wins, the 6 seed had 47 wins. Why wouldn't the expectation be to threaten 50? They won 27 last year w/ injured Gordon, Davis. The additions should put them in conversation for the 6, 7 seed. That would have them threatening 50. They won 47 in Monty's first year with CP3, DWest, and a bunch of junk.
If we don't threaten 50 wins, i will be sorely disappointed in this season. I still see them moving aminu/stiemsma for another piece near the deadline. I also think if Asik didn't play for the rockets that RA may have already been moved. My point: Team is a work in progress, but IMO the pure infusion of talent coupled with Monty as our coach will propel us into the playoffs I've seen him do more with much, much less.
@Michael McNamara You know I'm all about basketball. But I've got to get my pelican swag game on point. ya heard?
1 year ago on New Orleans Pelicans Announce The Arrival Of Tyreke Evans
@Jason Calmes @jdtufts10 If I don't have cable and live in NOLA, can I still get Pels games through nba league pass or will it be blacked out? Between Apple TV and my antena box, the only reason I'm keeping my cable is Pels games. Any ideas? comments?
My pickups to round out the roster: Kenyon Martin, Carlos Delfino, Corey Brewer, and bring back Amundson. Also Roger Mason should be in the mix as well.
C: Martin/Withey/Amundson PF: Davis/Anderson/Smith SF: Brewer/Delfino/D.Miller SG: Gordon/Evans PG: Holiday/Rivers/Roberts/Pierre Jackson
1 year ago on Pelicans Scoop: Post-Evans-Trade Reactions
I don't think this team can afford to stop-gap the SF position. They traded away the uber-valuable 2014 1st round pick. They need to win and win now, and slapping Martel Webster or Dorrell Wright into your starting lineup ain't gonna get it. Trading Gordon should not be that hard. There are too many small market, low self esteem, desperate teams out there that would take the risk on that contract for a top tier type talent. Think Charlotte, Milwaukee, Detroit, etc. Sign and trade w/ Milwaukee for a JJ Reddick possibly? I could see something like that materializing.
1 year ago on Pelicans Beat: Looking at Tyreke, Iggy, Gordon, and Predicting How This Whole Thing Plays Out
If you decline Lopez's option, can you use the MLE to re-sign him?
1 year ago on SF Prospect: Andre Iguodala
No thanks. I want Iggy or Wilson Chandler.
1 year ago on SF Prospect: Chris Copeland
@Michael McNamara I used to do some free lancing. Let me know when you guys' are looking for new ppl again! Would love to get back into it
1 year ago on Pelicans Beat: 5-on-5 about Jrue, the 2014 pick, Vasquez, and Nerlens Noel
First of all, I love the trade for us. I also love the trade for Philly, but these are two franchises on different timelines. I think the idea of Noel/Davis playing together was intriguing for a minute, but I never thought a guy like Jrue Holiday would shake loose. I think getting a sure thing, an All-Star who can be part of your foundation and a start of building a winning culture, is a safer bet than crossing your fingers and hoping you get another high draft pick. That's how you fall into the Sacremento/Charlotte/Toronto trap of constantly rebuilding w/ draft picks and not getting better. I don't think you can look at it in a vacuum, you have to think about each situation playing out.
We make the trade:
Our Situation: We add a legitimate All-Star PG to our roster, and fill one of our two biggest areas of need. We still have almost 6 million in cap space, plus the flexibility of the MLE, sign and trade, and highly moveable contracts of Lopez, Vasquez, Smith, and even Ryan Anderson (if a real big fish came available). There are sure to be other roster moves made to upgrade, especially at the 3. If we get the right SF, I can easily seeing us in the mix with all the teams in the West, save for OKC, SA, LAC, and maybe Memphis. With Memphis and San Antonio a year older and LAC being flawed, competing with them isn't inconceivable either if everything breaks right. Holiday also falls in line with the timelines of Gordon, Davis, and Anderson going forward, whereas Noel and next year's 1 would not.
The Draft Pick: IMO, the likely spot of the pick falling is in the late lottery to mid teens. Even in the mythical draft of 2003, there were only four legitimate impact players. In the 2012 draft, the last draft to be labeled best one ever, there only is one guy projected to end up being a truly impact player, and we got him.
Worst case scenario: Gordon gets injured, AD doesn't develop, and we flop, then we are still in play for the impact guys in this draft. If we fall at #6 in the draft, the worst of the worst situations, the 6th best player from the 2003 draft was Kirk Heinrich. If we could trade Kirk Heinrich & Nerlens Noel for Jrue Holiday, you do it every time.
Cap Space: The argument that holds more water, for me anyway, than the talent for talent issue, is using the cap space. It's a viable argument, but the question is what were we going to use the cap space on? Brandon Jennings at 8 million? Al Jefferson at 10? Monte Ellis at 9? Those are the contracts that get you in trouble: Borderline, flawed talent on inflated, long term contracts. Think Gerald Wallace, DeAndre Jordan, Jeremy Lin, Stephen Jackson, and the list goes on and on. IMO, getting a in their prime All-Star player in that 2nd contract extension is the most valuable "player/value" combination in the NBA, even more so than a Super Max guy not named LeBron. Chris Paul from 23-27 at his 13 million/year extension money is more valuable than Chris Paul from 27 on at a super max deal, for example. It's why Miami is in trouble going forward: They paid a non-max player super max money.
If we didn't make the trade -
Our Situation: We add a pogo stick of a Center to eventually play next to Anthony Davis, possibly having the best shot blocking front line in the NBA in 2-3 years. Since Noel won't be able to play until December at the earliest, we are almost assured of having a lottery pick in the "loaded" 2014 draft. The big time free agents will avoid us like the plague, and chances are we will spend our cap space on guys like Brandon Jennings or Monta Ellis to fill in at PG and the Corey Brewers and Chris Copelands of the world to fill in at the 3. With that roster, we are still better than we were last year, especially figuring in AD and AR's development, when we finished with the 5th worst record.
Draft Pick: In this scenario, we will still be a lottery team, but we will be better than last year. You can almost pencil in Charlotte, Sacramento, and Phoenix being worse than us again. Then, you have to take into account the landscape of the league. Boston and Philly are breaking it down to the studs. If LAL lose out on Dwight, they are all worse than us. We are in the mix record wise w/ TOR, MIL, ORL, POR, UT, DET, & whoever strikes out completely in Free Agency (ATL, DAL, CLE). Not only that, but whatever team is underperforming at mid-season, will fold their hand much earlier than in a normal year's draft. I think next April we will be talking about half the league pulling a tank job of epic proportions. My point is, we don't lose out on Wiggins because we won't be bad enough, with or without Noel.
Best Case Scenario: We end up with the 6th pick, and have Nerlens Noel, Brandon Jennings/Monta Ellis, and the equivalent of 2003 Kirk Heinrich instead of Jrue Holiday and 6 million in cap space.
Cap Space: Without any proven players on the roster, we become end of the line for free agents. We end up falling into the trap of overpaying for guys, just like what we did with Mo Peterson, James Posey, and Peja in the past. Cap space is great, unless no one wants to take your money.
sounds great. One problem: Can't trade 1st round picks in back to back years. so, moving on....
1 year, 1 month ago on The Missing Piece: Trading out of the 2014 Super Draft