Dave_McNulla
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Primary non-career-related interests are Spurs, NBA, and sports.
I am not entitled to be right. I am right. There is a difference. Right didn't come to me, I went to it.
Convoluted reply? That isn't an unnecessary attempt at an insult?
Ginobili pushed Allen's arm downwards. You are arguing that the sky is orange. And again, you beg the question of what a basketball play is. A foul is a basketball play. It's in the rules, and teams incorporate it on a regular basis to gain advantage even when they know they will be caught. Getting caught is intentional.
You also beg the question about what caused Allen to fall. The fact is that gravity made him fall (that and he doesn't have the ability to fly). How he fell is a function of the way he jumped, the foul that Ginobili committed, and the tension that he had between his body and arm. Ginobili is only responsible for the foul, not the jump, not the tension. Those three things made the whole play an accident. Just like the play last night that was NOT called a flagrant. I guess Lebron should have gone fetal position and rubbed his face.
You can ignore it all you want. I am correct.
@withmalice
My comments may seem condescending but that is because I think that I am right and you are not. I would never carry a discussion like this otherwise. I am not passionate about a non-issue - I am not paying Ginobili's fine and because the Spurs won will not be affected in any way. I just like being right and telling people about it.
I've seen the video on my large screen TV several times. There is no doubt that Ginobili grabbed Tony Allen's forearm, but you beg the question about whether that can force Allen's body downward. I say that it can if and only if Tony Allen resists the downward motion that Ginobili put on his arm.
Push is a direction and pull is a direction. If I bring something closer to me, it's a pull. If I try to change it's direction in any other way, it's a push.By now I am sure you saw the foul on Lebron that was virtually the same situation, except Lebron's arm was fouled on the upper arm and there was no grab that I saw. The former makes it worse, the latter makes is lesser. In all, it was about the same - minor contact that ended with a person in a vulnerable position made worse by the victim's torquing action to take a shot against the force of the foul. It happens.
@WithMalice Ginobili pushed Tony Allens arm down with his hand. He didn't pull down, that would require being below Allen. He didn't push Allen's body down, his shoulder, his head, or other part of Allen that would require Allen to fall by way of physics. He pushed the arm past midway of the appendage, with a hinge - a shoulder that would allow Allen's arm to lower without body lowering. Try it. Ask somebody to raise their arm in the air. Push their forearm down. If their body gets pushed down, it's because they refused to bend at a natural bending point, the shoulder.
I have no issue with his faking it. He's trying to win - welcome to the flop club. The problem is he verbally assaults the club members.
As for the call, physics makes it hard to push a guy down by his forearm unless he a) complies by resisting the pushing action, or b) is dead had has rigamortis. The hinge of his elbow and the hinge of his shoulder allows his arm to be pushed down without his body following. In the legal biz, they call it contributory negligence.
Tony Allen was subbed for with 5:04 left. Hmmmmmm.
@rtesoro440 Draymond is right. New ownership, new coaches, new players, not much the same. But it's the same old Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili, Tony Parker, and Gregg Popovich, so there's that.
Nothing is a bigger death-knell than a Skip Bayless endorsement.
Sean is a homer, no doubt. Many fans of many teams complain about him. But there is nobody in the same league as Tommy Heinsohn. I saw that guy get screaming mad about the officiating in a game that the Celtics won, and I didn't think the calls were bad (note: _not_ a game the Spurs played in).
I remember in '99 when DRob knocked somebody down from the t-wolves, he was about to pick him up and realized that he was mad about the whistle (I call it the Mario Elie effect).
It is not a must win for OKC. Down 0-2 isn't too bad if you get the next 2 games at home. Spurs did that against the Hornets in 2008. They lost games 1&2 badly, won games 3&4, lost game 5 badly, won game 6, then won game 7 on the road.
Of course it won't matter when we think.
Zach Lowe had a good article on Parker's games vs Thunder. http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2012/05/25/tony-parker/
I will bet that Pop wanted Tony to challenge Westbrook so the guy would feel it's necessary to dominate (which leads to OKC self-destructing).
I want to give home more heck about is 'insulted' comment, but it's just too easy there.
On one hand, Spurs won 3/4 games and only lost with big 3 out (and terrible officiating down the stretch). On the other hand, officiating always favors the Jazz in Utah... especially without Steve Javie in the crew. Anybody that doesn't remember him, he didn't give a flying flip about who booed him.
I thought GH is a 2nd year players.
unfortunately, Spurs have only played 64 games. but I think Pop will rest guys instead of shooting for the Bulls like last year (when Ginobili broke his arm against the Suns).
I did not think what he said was that bad. I can be just as good or better does not mean I will be just as good or better. He believes in his upside, nothing wrong with that.
I don't care who rebounds the ball as long as we keep it close enough to let the Spurs advantages win the game. If Patty Mills has 10 boards, no big deal as long we we don't give up all the fast break points.
@growndhawgg I think he needs to pass the physical first.