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 @BradenMatthewLadner  What you don't seem to get is that it doesn't matter how a gay person lives - they are still a homosexual. The only way they could not "live as a homosexual" is to not live at all. I know that's not what you are advocating, but I need you to please understand that that's actually the only option your attitude leaves gay Christians with. And those that grow up in communities and families and congregations that share that attitude do try to kill themselves in terrifying numbers. At the same time I have seen for myself how Christian leaders who do speak up for acceptance can be immensely healing, both on individuals and on families and whole communities. Two of my personal heroes are Bishop Christopher Senyonjo and Reverend Kapya Kaoma, both of Uganda. These two courageous, loving men aren't just putting themselves at great risk and facing extreme hatred to stop violence and murder of gays. They are telling the entire community what it needs to understand to change the culture of contempt and hatred of gays: that homosexuality really is not an abomination in God's eyes, that gays were created with it, it's a part of their beings, and therefor it's as beautiful as anything else God created.

1 year, 4 months ago on A personal response to Chris Broussard's comments on Jason Collins | April | 2013

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 @BradenMatthewLadner  You don't think it's interesting that Paul never bothered to point out to slavemasters that THEIR moral duty, in turn, was to not own other human beings and make them work for you for free, if God viewed slavery as a horrific abomination? 

..What we should be talking about isn't this, however, but rather it's the ethical consequences of taking certain Bible verses condemning "homosexuality" at face value today. I'm sure you agree with me that every person, Christian or not, has the responsibility to understand the impact their actions have on others, and let that morally guide their actions. No one escapes that responsibility simply by quoting a Bible verse. .For me these songs by the young Ugandan Christian gay artist and activist Brayo Bryans are a really good way to get a feel for this: http://www.reverbnation.com/brayobryans/song/15805141-mr-preacher?1336410755Please listen to it...Once you really, truly know what these attitudes do to gay people all around, you will be better able to determine if these 2 or 3 verses in questions should keep being interpreted as condemning modern-day, mutual, egalitarian, consensual relationships between two adults of the same gender. 

1 year, 4 months ago on A personal response to Chris Broussard's comments on Jason Collins | April | 2013

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 @ikbant2 Here's the thing - the sins you're trying to compare homosexuality to are actions, but homosexuality is a sexual orientation. It's one very basic part of a person's constitution: what types of people they tend to feel attraction for and fall in love with. It can't be changed - goodness knows people have tried - so regardless of what a gay person does, they will still be gay. What you are saying means that their very existence is a sin in God's eyes.I work with gay and transsexual asylum seekers from all over the world, trust me on this: it doesn't matter if a society celebrates, ignores, scorns, or routinely tortures and hangs or stones gays. People keep being gay and bisexual - about 4-10% of the population. Ahmadenijad can say whatever he pleases, I know some of the gays that have fled Iran. Many of the people I meet have lived every day of their lives since they realized their orientation in desperate fear and shame and hope that it will somehow change. They have gotten married, prayed on their knees, fasted, literally self-flagellated, been brought to witch doctors for exorcism by their families. They are still gay. Some have just barely escaped lynchings, many have been arrested and beaten and sexually violated in different ways by police, many many have been raped, sometimes "correctively". Still gay. You might think that the violence and threats is what has scarred them most, but what I have come to realize is that for many of them, by far the greatest most lasting pain is being rejected by their families. And sometimes by their church or mosque. I will ask you to please just  listen to this song, "Mr. Preacher" by the brave Ugandan gay Christian artist Brayo Bryans: http://www.reverbnation.com/brayobryans/song/15805141-mr-preacher?1336410755Please read the lyrics. To understand better what he is singing about you can search on "Martin Ssempa", or "David Kato's funeral" (though I'm not sure all the footage from that is available online). 

1 year, 4 months ago on A personal response to Chris Broussard's comments on Jason Collins | April | 2013

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