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@ObviouslyItsANewSeason @Josh-CK @EHBIGAPPLE Definitely has the ability.....just does not have the will!
10 hours, 27 minutes ago on Conversation @ http://nyrangersblog.com/
Any way you can compile data on workout sessions in July and August and who does what? Might be a good indicator on what players are truly committed to bringing more value to the NYR?
19 hours, 28 minutes ago on Conversation @ http://nyrangersblog.com/
All the Nash lovers on this site should send this info to our boy and ask him is he doing this?
22 hours, 30 minutes ago on Conversation @ http://nyrangersblog.com/
@betweentheworlds ......Great comment!...."but everyone knows that...........did you know that.......An elite vagina is also known to stand up to a good lickin' from time to time."
2 days, 18 hours ago on Conversation @ http://nyrangersblog.com/
@Say my Name @EHBIGAPPLE @genetics73 @DP_Snotty
"Bovina Sancta".....just like Cicero,and Caesar and the Scooter!
2 days, 20 hours ago on Conversation @ http://nyrangersblog.com/
@genetics73 @DP_Snotty Jesuit education?????
2 days, 21 hours ago on Conversation @ http://nyrangersblog.com/
@ObviouslyItsANewSeason @KevinTheNYRBlog @Nexter1 @betweentheworlds
theworlds ......no way would CBJ let him go.....he is the cornerstone....the centerpiece of the franchise....has scored too many key goals in difficult situations for them.....has elevated the play of his line mates and has been a tried and true leader in all of CBJ's deep playoff runs.....if they traded him no one in Columbus would attend their games.
Perhaps it is just wishful thinking on your part.....I mean, I mean...err do you think Sather could actually pull it off?
@KevinTheNYRBlog @Nexter1 @betweentheworlds Kevin, no question your piece here is inspiring.....thank you for that!
What I believe is demotivating (and this has zero to do with you,sir) is that there is no data coming from "the Nash camp" about how he is beginning to change his ways....about how he invested in a vigorous off-season of physical and mental re-conditioning program so as to finally deliver some real and meaningful offensive value to the Rangers that at least equals the value that the Rangers are paying him.
If he was really interested in all that....if he truly wanted to show the fans that he wanted to give more and no longer disappear at crucial times he would have done that loud and clear. Mr. Nash does not inspire because there is no inner fire within himself and I understand perfectly why he is not part of your inspiring piece.
Perhaps Nash had a summer of golf from his SOFT friend from Silicon valley? If Nash continues to play underachieving hockey if he continues to suck energy away from his line mates at a 7+ clip he should be run out of town by the MSG crowd!
2 days, 23 hours ago on Conversation @ http://nyrangersblog.com/
@pkh33 @_Jack.....Rather a victim of the dim bulbs in his own head.....change the way you think about yourself you will then change the way you perform...always!
@JosephCosolito My thinking was that based on K's past credibility with Hayes K would be in a respected position in Hayes' eyes to determine how trusting Sather and co. would be in their "promises" to give Hayes all the opportunity to make the team as soon as possible.
5 days, 18 hours ago on Conversation @ http://nyrangersblog.com/
@BobDunne @EHBIGAPPLE @Lordstanleybroadway @JoeyKocur @KevinTheNYRBlog Bob, no arguement with your stats.BTW had dinner with Mr. and Mrs. Chadwick on the upper East Side (with my dad) in the EAST 70s at Rusty Staub's old place.
I was just raising the question is Slats putting into place a concerted strategy to make NYR the place to play for emerging college hockey talent....have any ideas? No debate and no argument intended here I just want to learn..O.K.?
5 days, 20 hours ago on Conversation @ http://nyrangersblog.com/
@Lordstanleybroadway Senior management would never make a negotiated promise like that to any drafted player. Why?
1) it would create great dissension in the ranks at Hartford and in NY
2) it would set a precedent in all future NYR "draftt" negotiations which would handcuff Sather
3) apply no.2 to every GM in the NHL.
4) Sather would piss off all the other GMs and that would make a trading/working relationship with each of them almost impossible.
Your point is well taken, though. I am sure that Sather and his negotiating team promised him "every opportunity" to make the team out of training camp and Sather probably laid out what that opportunity path would look like.
I personally think Kreider played a key role in bringing Hayes here.We all know that K plays with a noticeable presence on the ice coupled with good production that really makes him quite credible to those who know and play with him. In addition K originally signed with NYR seeking a fast track to the NHL and in my estimation he learned very quickly and Hayes took note of that big time.
I wonder if this illustrates that Sather is going to establish a clear-cut strategy to attract more talent from The American college ranks that will keep NYR in the upper echelon of the NHL while managing The Cap and perhaps eliminating Big Name trades to the Big Apple??? There still is a built in bias in the NHL against anything that is not Canadian home grown....and that includes "American College Hockey Players." Sather could be one of the early ones on this "college land of opportunity." (I wonder how many of NYR recruiting scouts played college hockey??)
5 days, 21 hours ago on Conversation @ http://nyrangersblog.com/
@betweentheworlds Would love you to share your thoughts on Playing wing or center??
5 days, 22 hours ago on Conversation @ http://nyrangersblog.com/
Hey Adam....why not toss (Sather with his cigar) an Ice Bucket Challenge?
1 week ago on Conversation @ http://nyrangersblog.com/2014-articles/report-kevin-hayes-has-signed-with-the-new-york-rangers.html
@GiveGartneraCup it seems that a lot of people have missed the fact that SJ tried to trade
both of them this summer, and they both refused to waive their NT
clauses...this move was the inevitable next step to move forward...with
an added hope this will make them change their minds, no doubt.
1 week, 1 day ago on Conversation @ http://nyrangersblog.com/2014-articles/report-kevin-hayes-has-signed-with-the-new-york-rangers.html
@GiveGartneraCup Sharks are finally feed up with the softness of Thornton and Marleau. Could you imagine stripping the "C" and the "A' from your two top players. Sharks are now clear why Boston traded away Thornton and NYR fans can finally understand why Thornton and Nash are such good friends......"Like attracts Like."
@betweentheworlds Keep it coming.....THANKS!
@JoeyKocur Like your thinking here. Personally with AV it is only a question of how long Hayes takes to be defensively responsible in the NHL.......once that takes place he will fit nicely within the top 6.
@rangermom Also told him about the supermodels by the Lincoln and Holland tunnels.
Heard from SaymyName it was that information that closed the deal!
@betweentheworlds I think a good scouting process would be to look at a guy's character
first and foremost. Is he a warrior ? A winner? Have drive? Competitive
spirit ?".....Right on the money....same kind of thinking should be applied against trade acquisitions (Nash??)
It is interesting to note that LA Kings determined Gaborik had all those winning character traits under very very specific circumstances (an elite center along with someone who could "get" the puck to Gaborik) The trade for Gaborik and the way Sutter and the team accepted him were masterful strokes applied by the entire Kings organization!
Hoping you are having a good summer, good buddy! Just sent my twin girls off to their 2nd yr at U. Of San Diego....both on free rides.....THANK GOD!
1 week, 6 days ago on Conversation @ http://nyrangersblog.com/
Could you imagine a VP of Sales for a Fortune 1000 Company sporting this kind of recruiting record? Zero accountability and a great example of the "good ol boys club" that is the NYR.....but it is O.K. cause they are NICE GUYS!....and please don't respond with how hard it is to pick talent that will play or excel in the NHL....because it isn't hard!
When there is zero accountability and no one gets fired this kind of under performance continues year after year after year. Successful recruiting requires sophisticated processes and systems along with the ability to "intuitively understand the drive/motivation" of a candidate via the interview process and then be able to explain it to your superiors before you pull the trigger on a selection. And all these measurements are available to all who want to use them!
@Say my Name
" I like your stuff man!"
2 weeks, 4 days ago on Conversation @ http://nyrangersblog.com/
@gravey94 Does Pierre know of this pertinent information?
3 weeks, 1 day ago on Conversation @ http://nyrangersblog.com/
@Say my Name and as Say my Name moved on one could hear the King cry out with passionate longing
"I promise to love you
For every moment of forever,
And when everything else crumbles,
I will never"
Your creativity and cleverness....outrageous!
3 weeks, 2 days ago on Conversation @ http://nyrangersblog.com/
@JoeyKocur Culture....Culture....Culture! LAK have established an organization that players want to go to and play for and continue to play for. The Culture is created by ownership and executed by the GM and the coaching staff. Hockey business, on and off-the-ice is carried on in such a way that all the players, coaches and their families feel valued and they feel like the organizatiuon cares about them.
NYR's organization does not operate that way......just ask Leetch and Callahan! If any here think Cally was greedy and Leetch's trade to Toronto "was just business as usual" then I want to apologize for not clearly communicating my message.
SayMyName said it well a couple of posts ago......"there are two kinds of NYR fans
1) NYR FANS who support their team 500%
2) NYR FANS who actually think and ask questions about their team AND support them 500%" or he said something close to that...right?
3 weeks, 4 days ago on Conversation @ http://nyrangersblog.com/
I have been noticing that when you
do your posting here you have a strong tendency to become upset and call people
names and rather than critique their ideas you very often attack them
personally so I thought the good words of a hockey friend of mine might help
you overcome “your condition.”
"Those who cannot understand how to
put their thoughts on ice should not enter into the heat of debate."
1 month ago on Conversation @ http://nyrangersblog.com/
@Ahockeyguy Your comments on Nash pretty well sum up the reasons why CBJ got rid of him. Nash is what is called "an energy sucker", a player who de-motivates other players on his team by trying to draw energy and attention to themselves...quite the opposite of "an energizer" who inspires other players with their energy and take-charge way of playing.....Zucc McD as examples.
As you point out there is too much respect for Nash and other players look to set him up rather then focusing on the talent development of the entire team. It is a professional embarrassment for Nash to be pulled from the power play.....with the $ he is making!!
If Nash does not transform his way of playing offense he will create dissension (because of his play and his contract!) on the team, fans will publicly belittle him and he will eventually be forced into a trade. New York does not take kindly to underachievers who make a lot of money while under achieving.
High performers in sports , in business, in the performing arts,by their very nature have zero tolerance for "the way a Nash plays" the game and they will eventually let Nash know!....you can count on that! Nash is lucky that his coach "is a NICE guy".....but if the fans get vocal AV won't be able to save him because MSG will be publicly embarrassed...and we all know what will happen then.......just ask Isiah!
@betweentheworlds "I wouldn't say blind optimism - perhaps near sightedness but I'm a fan so I'm allowed."............perhaps it's "Good Vibrations" keep 'em coming I always want to know what you feel is coming, my man!
@gravey94 @IcyCup And I think he will step it up as long as he plays with Zucc. Zucc is the catalyst for that line even though Brass is the center.
1 month ago on Conversation @ http://nyrangersblog.com/2014-articles/rangers-sign-brassard-to-five-year-deal.html
@FrankCerbone Wow!...slow down here just a bit. You sir, are intimating a lot of negative judgment against NYR players WITHOUT A SHRED OF EVIDENCE THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION "WHY" DID THEY NOT ATTEND.....NOT A SHRED! Do you make these kind of judgments often?????
@IcyCup @EHBIGAPPLE O. K. In my estimation Richards our de facto captain last season was not an effective leader via his inspirational on-ice play.....keep in mind during the most difficult times for the NYR (and that would be the playoffs) he was sitting in the press box or relegated to the 4th line. In addition his speaking and body language while communicating to the Press was akin to attending a lecture on Statistical Analysis at your local library.....boring! I would think, but with no evidence, that he speaks that way in the locker room...ugh!
(C) I would reluctantly choose MSL for the Captaincy because his unique situation was at the very center of bringing the team together in a cohesive and inspiring way. I personally think very few Ranger Captains (after Mess) came close to doing that. My reluctance has to do with how much he personally played in bringing the team together as opposed to others using his situation as a very effective rallying cry for team unity.(no disrespect here at all) I just don't know? It might not be a great risk in choosing MSL due to his age and I don't think anyone else has the success stripes that he has.I also think few NYR would object.
(A) McD is the Captain-in-waiting. I think everyone on the team looks at him that way. My question is (and this is without knowing) does he have the relationship skills to inspire others with his words?. If he does he will be A Great Captain! If he doesn't he will be a Good Captain. His play is incredibly inspiring.
(A) Zucc: I worked with a lot of players/performers like this Norwegian Missle.They are respected and loved by their teammates and by the coaching staff. And everyone on the team knows they will carry their brothers and sisters on their back during the most difficult of times. What I found is that very often they prefer to lead from the back of the room. They shy away from the formal mantle of the "C" but will always always do what is best for the team in an inspiring way. Until Zucc shows me he is "that way" he is my over-the-top choice for the second (A)
Great leaders (Captains) in all walks of life share one thing in common..........they all lift the performance level of their players. It is not about their past...it is not about whether they are likeable. It is only about do they inspire greater performance in their players.....through their inspiring play on the ice AND AND their inspiring words to their teammates.
The locker room holds the answer to the question of the new Captain and Alternates. Unfortunately, the Captain is chosen by management and that brings the politics of the organization (not player inspiration) into play!
If it is solely left up to the players to choose they would make the right decision each time....every time!
@DP_Snotty Best post of the post-season. Great Mom!.....Great Grandma!..OUTRAGEOUSLY COOL!
@Gianni74 Your critique of Rosen and Joe Mich is totally on target. Unfortunately it reflects Dolan's absolute control of anything having to do with non-playing personnel of MSG properties. And that means no on-air criticism of the players.
Pre-Dolan Girardi would have been crucified. I personally would like our "Captain" to have "a controlled mean streak", like Messier...........along with credible hockey skills" With AV as coach we really don't have anyone like that. ....no mean streaks!
@TomDundie @EHBIGAPPLE Now I understand. You present ideas here on how others should think rather than trying to understand how others might think, first.....O. K.
1 month, 1 week ago on Conversation @ http://nyrangersblog.com/
@TomDundie @EHBIGAPPLE "Carolina aint got no need for 1 center Carolina when we offer a possible top center ,dman on the rise ..2 top prospects from conn."..........does Carolina know that this is the way they think? or does Tom know that this is the way Carolina thinks?
@TomDundie I agree with everything you suggest here but I seriously doubt any GM in the NHL would trade their #1 center for any combination/total of the players you suggest. I believe NYR can get back to SCF if the team gets a little tougher/faster (and I am not talking fighting here).....get stronger/faster at the center position (using internal resources)......and Nash becomes a FACTOR when the going gets tough (for the first time in his life)......and everyone else has a repeat of 2013-2014.
The Eastern Conference is a parity conference....like watching the NHL on any Sunday with all the mistakes and misplays. We can win The East in the Playoffs, which is really what is most important. We have to be a little bigger/faster/tougher team to take the Cup from the West. We really don't need a bonafide super # 1 center.....just 2-3 really good ones.
@IhateGaborik @betweentheworlds Nash will suck the energy out of Brass and Zucc....Z-B-MSl line will thrive....they will mesh.........each is creative....and they will develop a feel for one another and become a solid 1-2 line.
@Brukie_ @GregB1919Yo Burkie!
It amazes me how many times your comment has to be said!
@Herman_NYRBlog @EHBIGAPPLE Great reply....very professional!
I like the NYR's emphasis on work ethic and attitude. I wonder how they assess those characteristics before they draft players?......can they interview Coaches, parents, the players themselves, the families they stay with in Junior??
A super sharp interviewer/assessor (and there are very very few) can determine work ethic and attitude very successfully through a number of interviews in different settings.......you gotta know the questions to ask and you gotta know the responses that reveal character, attitude and work ethic.
Thank you for getting back to me, Adam. I appreciate and respect your work here!
Adam.........great write ups on future talent.....Thank you! What follows is a quote by Phil Jackson regarding The Knicks moving forward.
"We have some talented people in this organization, but they
need more direction. Our scouts and analysts also need to align the tons
of information on potential prospects they churn out every day with our
long-range vision for the team. To that end, we’re planning to analyze
every team in the league and figure out as a group what’s driving them,
so that we can make moves now that will make sense three to five years
down the road."
Adam...........Based on your discussions with scouts and players how does the NYR scouting system compare with Phil Jackson's perspective on scouting, organizational direction, the aligning of tons of "talent information", long range vision and competitive analysis?.......PLEASE!
@betweentheworlds I have total respect for your experience with PCS and your first hand knowledge of the healing process. As you also point out "Nash has to want it." He has to have the desire. My concern is that Nash has never been "a difference maker." He has always been a "putting butts in seats" kinda guy or else CBJ would never have traded him away when they began to focus on winning The Cup.
Nash, when he recovers, has to re-invent himself (rather than return to his former self) or else all we can hope for is his offensive effectiveness in a lot of open ice and his offensive disappearance when the going gets tough.
Can he change and become a true power forward?.........sure if he wants to and that is the key. I have not seen any indication in Nash's background that tells me he wants to make that kind of change.......that tells me he is willing to make that kind of commitment. Do you think, right now he is working on those changes with his buddy on the West Coast?....you know the one that the Bruins gave up on and now The Sharks want to send him packing.
Like attracts like, (as you know so well). Mr. Nash is hanging out with the wrong people!....if he is going to change.
1 month, 2 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://nyrangersblog.com/
@gravey94 @EHBIGAPPLE @FrankCerbone Your data is thorough and accurate. I am asking a bigger question (and I am in no way criticizing you!)....."what are the talent selection processes and talent selection procedures that will yield an improved rate of success when choosing talent and predicting performance in the first round.....in the second round....in the third round?
Every accountable performance based business has those procedures in place because too many $ are at stake. Most NHL teams pick their talent scouts from a pool of former players who are "trying to stay in the game in some capacity.".......that is a flawed process to begin with because it presumes that a former player can not only recognize talent but can also predict future performance of that talent.
And that is like saying a great engineer would make a great manager of engineers or a great sales person would make a great sales manager and that is totally flawed because production and management are two very different but related skill sets....having one does not mean you have the other.
I believe the crony good old boy way of initially choosing talent scouts is " at the very foundation" of an NHL wide poor drafting process' that yields weak results.
1 month, 2 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://nyrangersblog.com/2014-articles/the-clear-cut-case-of-tanner-glass-hes-not-good-at-hockey.html
@gravey94 @FrankCerbone Gravy....great presentation of relevant information. Thank you! Perhaps we as NYR fans might want to ask:
1) what does this say about the effectiveness of the NYR talent selection model?
2) Are our success results any different than our competition?
3) Does the entire NHL select talent (use the same processes) as we do?
4) Are there any other "performance related" businesses that we could learn from that would enable us to double our selection success rate?
5) Leaders in any performance focused business are "suppose" to recognize embrace and adopt into their organizations any and all profitable innovation that will make the organization more successful. That kind of leadership/innovation can begin at any level in the organization............hmmmm I wonder if talent selection teams use computers. I think they use fax machines...but I am not sure.
@betweentheworlds And his favorite coach of all time was Mr. Wooden, a revered intuitive via factual analysis....both elite high super performers!
@betweentheworlds Yo!.....great question and great answer. I learned that anyone....anyone can develop talent with the proper "character and heart."
If you yourself have awareness of your own "character and heart" in any Performing arena....it is not just Hockey..... You will easily recognize it in others and you will easily recognize when others do not choose to develop their "character and heart."
Some of us can recognize the patterns of thinking and behavior that demonstrate heart or the absence of it. They recognize those patterns intuitively with their feelings (gut reaction) and others can recognize those patterns by analyzing someone's performance data and recognizing those patterns of character in ways that they can only understand......all "right brain/ intuitive/Eastern stuff" but incredibly valid!
What the NHL has yet to accept is that based on betweentheworlds comments along with Say my Name and Gianni74 (is that "a family name"?...love it!) demographic profiles and psychographic (measure character and heart) profiles of high performers can be drawn up that would significantly make talent selection more predictable and more effective.
@FrankCerbone And all that tells me is that Clark is a nice guy (a lot of people on this site like nice guys so I thought I should lead with that) and the processes and procedures used by Clark to select talent, whatever they maybe, are flawed or at least they should be reviewed in order to determine how they can produce more effective results......that is what any business would do that was committed to accountability......ehhhhh? Does anybody here think old Gordie's ego gets in the way of a more effective selection?????
@Gianni74 @Say my Name You guys are so on the money here. It is astonishing how NHL teams have turned the draft into "a low probability crap shoot" on who is going to emerge as a real hockey player after years of playing Junior and or Euro hockey and or College hockey.
There are tons of ways to predict future human performance....tons! I know because I was held accountable for all the hires I chose. My ass was on the line for mega bucks regarding my choices.
The NHL is still in the Neolithic Ages regarding talent selection decisions. Which is why the same hockey cronies continue to be Hockey scouts and so many on this site think they do a good job. NHL is definitely "a good old boys club" scared shitless about examining a new way of doing things that could be more effective (more accurate) and more efficient (less costly).
@Gianni74 I like your idea here. I think with a limited cap space along with Parity, especially in The East.....all the NYR have to do is qualify for the Playoffs. The season can be a solid training period to get younger players up to speed. With our total defense we can go on another Playoff run.
@Say my Name @EHBIGAPPLE Never about you..."too much street cred" in my estimation! You remind me of a CEO I used to consult with....smart dude....great leader......tough real tough on his people! His Executive Team would say that he would give them a heart attack (sort of) with his performance expectations and then get them "a world renowned Specialist" to treat them and send food baskets and flowers to the families......like Jack Welsh....that is a top-shelf compliment!
Say my Name you are Cool in my Book!