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Why were you enraged to see them on the third line? Having a third line of Andersson, Tatar and Nyquist is like having another second line. How could it possibly be a bad thing to have nine top-six forwards? We've spent years without enough top six talent and now we're overflowing with talent again.
And make no mistake, that is the hired line, more or less. They won't be fourth line grinders because the Wings still have a bunch of fourth liners.
4 months, 4 weeks ago on Honest Question
@ChrisRuffino " That's wayyyyyy too long for him."
Yeah, four years too long.
5 months, 1 week ago on Free Agent Frenzy Open Post
@JOHNxJOHN Yeah, Holland was quoted a little while back saying they weren't offering him a contract.
5 months, 1 week ago on Seeya Carlo - Colaiacovo Is Gone
@marti783 I think you don't need to wait, because of all of those things, 1, 2 and 5 don't happen, 3 might happen and half of 4 might happen.
@Jay Argentina No, I'm pretty sure only the "special" buyouts allowed last off-season (Redden, Gomez) required a cap hit over $3M. The Wings could use a compliance buyout on Cory Emmerton if they wanted to.
"In Holland we trust. Right? "
No. Not even a little bit if the rumours of him being close to re-signing Cleary are true. Not even one teeny tiny little bit.
@Jordan_Reis We'e got a bonafide top two centres already though and I think that if they get even one good UFA winger then having Pav & Z on separate lines isn't a problem. The reason they've needed to put Pav & Z together is because they haven't had six bonafide top six forwards since 2009. Pav with Abdelkader and Franzen, Z with Tatar and UFA winger would be a pretty formidable top six, plus with Andersson, Nyquist and Brunner as a third line? That would be fantastic. But, if they get Lecavalier as a 2nd line centre or even move him to the wing, that would be great as well.
5 months, 2 weeks ago on Buyouts Buyouts Buyouts! Come and Get 'Em
"With Filppula almost surely out the door the Wings have a need in the 2 hole."
They don't, really, because Filppula never has been and never will be a real #2 centre and Zetterberg IS, but I still wouldn't mind Vinny in a winged wheel, centring that second line, either allowing Pavel and Hank to skate together or with Hank himself on Vinny's wing.
@Twig Thanks.If I'm Ken Holland I'm keeping two things in my mind at all time with these guys.
1) Everyone made about 60% of their "NHL salary" this year, so Brunner actually made around $1M (depending on whether he hit his bonuses) and Smith around $600K or so.
2) RFAs don't have a lot of bargaining power.
So I think Brunner is going to get a raise, for sure, but my goal would be $2M tops. He had a great start to his year, but we have no idea if his career is going to be more like the first half of the year or the second half of the year, or if it's going to be like the season, where he has long hot streaks followed by long cold streaks.
For me, Smith goes on the Ericsson plan. Ericsson's last contract was 550, 900 and 1.25 for a hit of $900. I wouldn't have it that extreme, but I shoot for three years with a cap hit of $1-1.2M, with him starting around $900k-1M and ending around $1.4-$1.5.
Nyquist and Andersson would be on the Helm/Franzen plan. 2-3 years with a cap hit around 8-900k. Let them prove what they can do in a couple full seasons before giving them anything big, and if they falter you can send them down with a limited cap hit remaining on the books.
Kindl's the wild card. I like Kindl a lot, but assuming they buy out Colaicovo, they already have six defensemen on the books. If they sign Kindl and trade Quincey, that's still six guys and you know they're looking for a top-four (at least) guy to add to that roster, so chances are Kindl and Lashoff probably share the #6 role, so how much do you pay for that? I actually think $1.5M is reasonable because it shows some faith that his improvement this year isn't a fluke, but it's tradeable if he doesn't work out.
That's my two cents...
8 months ago on Howard Resigns to Six Year Deal - That's Good News for the Wings
Whoa, whoa whoa, Brunner gets his salary more than doubled on the basis of a really good less than 1/4 of a season followed by a disappearing act?
Smith gets his doubled for a pretty decent first season in which he played well but definitely showed some rookie mistakes?
Nyquist gets his salary nearly doubled for a pretty good 1/7 of a full season played mostly on the third line?
Kindl gets his salary nearly doubled for a good step forward of a 1/3 of a season?
And for a solid 1/3 of a season when he wasn't expected to even get a sniff of the NHL Joakim Andersson is given a pay cut?
@JOHNxJOHN "We really don't have the pieces to make the moves the Pens did."
Yes we do. Pittsburgh's picks, as of right now, are later in the round that Detroit's picks, and Detroit has many, many overripening prospects in the AHL, the CHL and Europe.
They could absolutely make deals.
8 months, 2 weeks ago on Sorry Kenny, Shero is the Best GM in the League These Days
"Holland and Babbles have done everything they can to keep the train on the tracks"
Nah. Holland's done absolutely nothing to improve the team. They've been on a steady downslope for a few years. Holland didn't replace Rafalski. He didn't make any preparations for Lidstrom's departure. He didn't replace Stuart. He hasn't addressed the scoring issues the team has had since Hossa left.
Babcock's got an injury-riddled team that was mediocre when it was healthy deep in the playoff hunt.
@marti783 Yes, he absolutly should've been scratched. He's lost out there without Lidstrom at his side, just like he was lost out there any time he wasn't playing with Lidstrom last year.
9 months, 1 week ago on Oilers vs Red Wings Recap: 3.7.2013
@marti783 I don't blame the Wings for not signing Weber to an offer sheet because it would've been counterproductive. They would've had to have made an offer similar to what Philly did, and everyone knew Nashville was going to match, so not only would they have not gotten Weber, they also would've taken him off the market for, conceivably, the rest of his career. Dickhead Jimmy D can pretend it was because of an unwritten rule, but the real reason they didn't do it is because they knew it wouldn't work, and they were hoping that Weber would end up signing with Nashville for a short term, after which they could make their pitch for him like they did with Suter.
Business isn't about being a gentleman. The "unwritten rule" might be not to sign players to offer sheets, but the WRITTEN rule is that it's allowed. If you don't do something because you're concerned about being a gentleman then you're just going to make yourself look like a fool.
1 year, 2 months ago on Jimmy D Tells It Like It Is
@marti783 It would've been bad business to piss off the Nashville organization? Why, because they would ever consider making a significant deal with a team in their division whom they consider to be a rival? Hell, the restricted free agents it would make the most sense for the Wings to go the offer sheet route with are the ones playing on teams in the Wings' division.What isn't good business is to worry about burning bridges that were never built in the first place.
@thebiglachovsky Are you for real? The worst thing a GM can do is trade a franchise player to a division rival, especially with the possibility that divisional playoffs will be reintroduced when the NHL gets back to realignment.
Analysts always judge trades based on which team got the best player and when you're dealing Nash, whoever gets him is going to be getting the best player, so you automatically lose that trade.
Besides, who was Detroit going to give to Columbus? If it's Filppula then there's a great chance he's gone in a year, and if it's Franzen, then you've got a guy who isn't as good a goal-scorer while playing on Pavel Datsyuk's wing as Nash is while playing with jack squat, PLUS you're giving your rival a world-class scorer to play with one of their two world-class centres.
Nevermind the PR nightmare of giving your best player to a rival that happens to be the team that swept your team the one time in franchise history that your team made the playoffs.
1 year, 4 months ago on From Blue Jackets to Blue Shirts | July
I'll be curious to see how this shows that Ken Holland has lost whatever touch he may have ever had.
@moorecha @marti783"His values just lost us a chance at a top player."
No, his values were negotiating for the trade of a top player. signing him to an offer sheet would've all but guaranteed Detroit didn't get him.
1 year, 4 months ago on There's No Defending Holland - He Blew It With Weber | July
@moorecha @JJfromKansas You're out of your mind if you think there's only a 60/40 change of them matching. They already lost one of their two best players and you think they're going to let the other one walk with nothing in return except "maybe one of these picks will be an OK player in 5-7 years"?
@moorecha @JJfromKansasGreat, so the way to try to get him to play for Detroit is to sign him to an offer that essentially guarantees that he will never play for Detroit?Because Nashville will match it, and then do you think that they'll ever consider trading Weber to the GM who forced their hand? OF COURSE NOT!