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Didn't like so many starters sitting against the Trailblazers. The reserves held their for much of the game, but ultimately, didn't have enough juice. The losses to bad teams are exactly why I'm concerned about Pop's pattern; making up ground is going to get more difficult as the season goes on.
5 days, 7 hours ago on Conversation @ http://projectspurs.com/2014-articles/is-it-time-for-popovich-to-end-rest-gate.html
It happens, but they lost to a bad basketball team. Better execution down the stretch was needed to pull this one out. I didn't believe it was possible for the Spurs to play this poorly on offense. It looked like the Sixers.
2 weeks, 3 days ago on Conversation @ http://projectspurs.com/2014-articles/about-a-loss-spurs-93-nets-95.html
Despite everything the Spurs did wrong this was still a winnable game. Simply getting key rebounds and making an extra bucket could have changed the outcome.
Was anyone else surprised that Danny Green and Matt Bonner stayed on the bench for last play? Even if you run the same play for Manu, he is bound to have more shooting room because you had to respect the other 3 point shooters.
1 month ago on Conversation @ http://projectspurs.com/2014-articles/about-a-loss-spurs-91-kings-94.html
Anthony Davis is a good comparison. People rave over Davis, but Duncan entered the NBA as one of the league's best players. On a different team than the Spurs, Duncan's stats would be even higher. People don't realize how good Duncan really is or has been. Across our five NBA titles, no one would ever call the Spurs roster, the NBA's most talented. In his prime, Tim Duncan paired with anybody was a serious contender for the NBA title. Davis is not THAT good. Carmelo was never that good. KG was never that good. I could go on. Duncan is such a complete basketball player that his dominance goes beyond what stats show. If Timmy had the crazy athleticism that many of today's overrated big men have (e.g. Josh Smith, old KG, JaVale McGhee, old Amare), basketball would have been unfair.
1 month, 1 week ago on Conversation @ http://projectspurs.com/2014-articles/tim-duncans-agelessness-is-taken-for-granted.html
Hanga and Bertans are consistently the overseas guys I want to see added to the Spurs roster.
1 month, 1 week ago on Conversation @ http://projectspurs.com/2014-articles/video-adam-hanga-latest-game-highlights-are-awesome.html
Yep, Baynes was covering Davis at the end of the game. And protested to Pop from my living room BEFORE he hit the go ahead bucket. I wanted to see Duncan on him. Timmy is lighter in weight and older, but he's a smarter defensive player. Baynes is athletic for a big guy but it doesn't show on defense; he's hacking people or they're out-positioning him to get the shots they want. Games like the last two are why I wanted the Spurs to sign Gustave Ayon. As bad as we were offensively, I was puzzled by Anderson not getting any playing time. Cory Joseph showed some toughness last night. Daye is really being exposed; he still can't make a shot when it counts.
1 month, 1 week ago on Conversation @ http://projectspurs.com/2014-articles/about-a-loss-spurs-99-pelicans-100.html
Was no fan of Pop sitting Duncan and Manu in this game against a division foe, especially with our depleted roster. What do they need rest for? We've only played 4 games in like 3 weeks. NBA scheduling is stupid; why are the Spurs waiting 4-5 days to play their next game then hit with a back to back?
This game was poorly played offensively from the get go. Defense wasn't bad, considering the big mismatch advantages in Houston's favor. This game was a scheduled loss. TNT didn't get its money's worth on this one.
1 month, 2 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://projectspurs.com/2014-articles/recap-rockets-blast-off-on-depleted-spurs.html
.know his game enough to be sure, but unless, he's a major upgrade. I doubt very seriously that he'll make the squad. For comparison purposes, I was high on the Mexican kid, Gustave Ayon, because he had shown he could compete at the NBA level and was impressive at FIBA tourney over the summer........
1 month, 2 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://projectspurs.com/2014-articles/report-erazem-lorbek-hoping-to-join-the-spurs.html
I just hope Anderson can get some playing time in the Spurs second game. I am anxious to see his reaction in a real game situation. I liked the poise he displayed in the pre-season. He even made some plays defensively.
1 month, 3 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://projectspurs.com/2014-articles/kyle-anderson-ready-to-step-in-and-contribute.html
Bertans' game is really growing. Despite the knee injury, he still has hops. I thought he was too skinny at first, but he doesn't get pushed around on the court. The second coming of Matt Bonner? Not! Bertan's offensive game is already more expansive than Bonner's. His sweet shooting stroke is complemented by good ball handling and passing skills. His game has more potential to resemble Dirk Nowitski's than Bonner. Also, like the fact that he checks in regularly with the Spurs coaches and works out with the team a couple of times during the year.
2 months, 1 week ago on Conversation @ http://projectspurs.com/2014-articles/video-latest-davis-bertans-highlight-reel-is-awesome.html
Several of the veteran players worked out, like Earl Clark, Michael Beasley, Hakim Warrick plus a few no-name players are not among the list. What happened to them? The Spurs FO puts continuity above everything else, because I definitely felt that guys like Clark and even Andray Blatche would have been front court upgrades over Ayres and Bonner, perhaps Daye as well, which is why I was disappointed when Ayon signed overseas. I'm probably splitting hairs over the roster; it is afterall a championship roster as is.
2 months, 3 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://projectspurs.com/2014-articles/spurs-announce-training-camp-roster.html
Totally delusional. Harden didn't even start for the Thunder. The addition of Dwight Howard also demonstrates that he is NOT a franchise player. Franchise players make any team a contender all by themselves. Harden is not first team All-NBA, in my opinion, but his OFFENSIVE skills are tremendous. He has not shown me much as a team leader, even if he's the Rockets' best player.
3 months ago on Conversation @ http://projectspurs.com/2014-articles/harden-im-the-best-all-around-basketball-player.html
@Spursfan66 @jaws3 Oh, if it's $1.6 per year, then I understand. That's more than Baynes offer sheet. Strike my original comment if that's the case. I'm kinda bummed about this one. I hadn't paid much attention to Ayon, until the rumors, but from the footage I have seen, he's a better two-way player than Ayres or Baynes. His skill set suggested to me that I could get more than just mop up time minutes. Oh, well....
3 months ago on Conversation @ http://projectspurs.com/2014-articles/report-free-agent-gustavo-ayon-spurns-spurs-will-sign-with-real-madrid.html
A "lucrative" $600,000 per year contract to play in Spain? Ayon is a kid from Mexico; do you know how much money he's missing in salary plus endorsements playing in San Antonio for the world champs? The Spurs' Mexican fans would have gone berserk for this guy. Add the benefits of playing under Pop and learning from Tim Duncan every day, and this one becomes a head-scratcher for me.
Ayon was intriguing to me, but after his performance against the USA team at FIBA, I was convinced that he could really be an impact player. My concern is his history of injuries, but having played for the Hawks, I think Ayon can more easily adjust to the Spurs system.
I also on board with getting an upgrade over Ayres. I like Ayers energy; he's a good teammate and hard worker, but his stone hands on offense and foul prone ways are just frustrating. Some Spurs fans are coming down hard on Austin Daye, but Daye still has more upside than Ayres.
Can wait for training camp and all this to shake out.
3 months ago on Conversation @ http://projectspurs.com/2014-articles/report-spurs-make-formal-offer-to-free-agent-gustavo-ayon.html
I'd be sad to see Baynes go, but I also believe that we have several guys among training camp prospects that I think would be an upgrade over the Baynes-Ayres-Bonner trio in our front court. The Spurs roster is solid, but switch in Earl Clark, Ayon, and JaMychal for the above three, and I think you have a group of better 2-way players, probably for less money. If the Spurs do nothing new, I'm still okay with that.
3 months, 1 week ago on Conversation @ http://projectspurs.com/2014-articles/report-spurs-open-to-a-sign-and-trade-involving-aron-baynes.html
Yes, performance against US team opened my eyes, particularly because he played without fear against some pretty athletic bigs on the US side. Still think we need a SF, but good 2-way big men are hard to find. That's why I think the the Spurs might be interested.
BTW, surprised that Andray Blatche has not gotten a look from the Spurs. He was solid for the Nets that last couple of years after some not so great years with the Wizards. He was rumored to be a good fit for the Spurs before eventually signing with the Nets.
3 months, 2 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://projectspurs.com/2014-articles/update-free-agent-ayon-hopes-spurs-rumors-are-true-says-he-has-only-one-offer.html
Now, this workout interests me, because I thought for years Earl Clark would fit nicely as backup for the Spurs. I agree with whoever said he would be an upgrade over Jeff Ayres. Ayres gives hustle and energy but has stone hands on offense. Jamychal Green could do as well.
I don't see Ray Allen ending up here, and I was a little surprised that Matt Bonner was resigned. I expected the Spurs FO to add a couple more younger players to the fold, before Timmy and Manu really retire.
Not sure what to make out the Baynes situation, Baynes has kinda grown on me over the last couple of years. His athleticism is under-rated.
I really like the collection of training camp invitees and workout candidates, including Hakim Warrick, Ayon and others. I could like with one of these guys being added to our roster. I would also be okay with bringing back Alonzo Gee. It's great not to have many roster holes to fill.
3 months, 3 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://projectspurs.com/2014-articles/report-spurs-set-to-workout-earl-clark.html
I was excited about Pau Gasol possibly coming to the Spurs. I don't feel the same about Ray Allen at 39. You can get the same productivity from a better two-way player.
3 months, 3 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://projectspurs.com/
No-risk move. Warrick would be a decent and versatile backup in the front court. If he doesn't work out, no harm done.
4 months ago on Conversation @ http://projectspurs.com/2014-articles/report-spurs-invite-hakim-warrick-for-workout.html
I'm really intrigued by Hanga's game. I love his highlights, but since he's never been in summer league, it's hard to gauge his progress. Bertans seems to be more of a sure thing, because he comes over here 2-3 times a year and works out for the Spurs and talks with training staff, etc. I'm not sure if Hanga is seriously considering the NBA as an option.
4 months, 2 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://projectspurs.com/2014-articles/latest-on-adam-hangas-situation-with-baskonia.html
I really liked the energy that Green brought in summer league. He was our most consistent performer, doing alittle bit of everything well.
4 months, 2 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://projectspurs.com/2014-articles/spurs-sign-jamychal-green.html
The 5th title stands out above all the others to me. The first title in 1999 was the second best to me, especially sweeping Shaq and the Lakers on the way, followed by 2003, which was also special to send the Admiral out as a champion. I could go either way on the other two. When I look back on the championships, there doesn't seem to be any year where the Spurs had the NBA's most talented squad, yet we won anyway. We have integrated so many no-name players and over-the-hill vets to get to the playoffs EVERY year and win five NBA titles! Wow.
4 months, 4 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://projectspurs.com/2014-articles/which-title-is-the-most-meaningful.html
Among our foreign stash players, I have enjoyed watching clips of Bertans and Adam Hanga the most. I think both guys can be solid NBA players. I'm not holding my breath for Ryan Richards, like some other Spurs fans. It seems that the foreign players are learning the fundamentals of basketball better than our American phenoms. High flying slam dunks are fun to watch, but too many lottery picks are based solely on athletic talent, rather than productivity on the court.
5 months ago on Conversation @ http://projectspurs.com/2014-articles/bertans-discusses-signing-with-baskonia-next-steps-for-future-with-spurs.html
Agreed. I think Thibodeaux in Chicago, might have a roll for Gasol, but I don't see a fit with the Thunder, and who know's what the Heat will have. Does the signing of Josh McRoberts make them a less likely destination for Gasol. Situation would be great for Gasol because, he'd only have to play about 20 minutes per game and wouldn't have to carry the team at all. His strengths also mesh with the Spurs system of play.
5 months, 2 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://projectspurs.com/2014-articles/why-the-spurs-are-pau-gasols-best-option.html
This signing was a big surprise, but not a headscratcher. Cotton did so many things for Providence, much like the more heralded Shabazz Napier. His small size is a negative, but he's as big as Allen Iverson and TJ Ford, when they came out of college. Cotton is a 4-year college player, strong BB IQ, team leader. Just seems like the kind of player the Spurs would value. I was surprised that he went undrafted, because he performed well against teams with lottery picks.
5 months, 2 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://projectspurs.com/2014-articles/spurs-sign-bryce-cotton.html
@JamesMcGahan You're right. Bonner did do okay THIS post season, but I really think it's a product of not needing him to do too much. 5-8 minutes per game sounds right, but when we had to play him for 15-20 minutes per game, BIG PROBLEM,
5 months, 2 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://projectspurs.com/2014-articles/report-bonner-remains-in-contact-with-spurs-waiting-on-roster-to-unfold.html
With the young and upcoming front court players that the Spurs have either drafted or signed, I think it's time for the Red Mamba era to end. Bonner is a good guy for team chemistry and locker room, and he knows his role on the Spurs. But he, along with several others who are no longer on the roster, disappeared in post season. In retrospect, he never should have been an NBA starter, and probably not the first guy off the bench. Thanks for your contributions, Red Mamba, but I'd rather see one of the young guys get a shot.
Really liked this pick. Even before draft, in watching Kyle Anderson play for UCLA I said out loud that he would look good playing in the Spurs system. Viola! He's our number one draft choice. Anderson plays with such intelligence that his game is easy to admire. I think he's an under-rated athlete because he doesn't jump out the gym. He'll need to get stronger, but he understands how to use his length and stuff that's hard to teach like passing angles, situational basketball, and game tempo.
5 months, 4 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://projectspurs.com/2014-articles/spurs-select-kyle-anderson-with-first-round-pick.html
As a fan, the four missed free throws seemed like the turning point for me. Instead of building a cushion on our lead, I think it breathed extra life into the Heat, because the game remained up for grabs. Lebron played sensational, and that will of course be the headlines tomorrow, but the fact remains that the Heat BARELY beat the Spurs, even with Lebron doing his messiah impression. Bosh played a great game as well. The Heat have to play extremely well to beat us, so I still feel good about the Spurs winning in 6.
6 months, 2 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://projectspurs.com/2014-articles/missed-free-throws-ball-movement-plague-spurs-late-as-miami-bounces-back-to-even-series-1-1.html
I feel bad for Ibaka. Without him, OKC is definitely put at a disadvantage. I want the Spurs to beat the best at their best. That being said, I'm tired already of hearing about Ibaka, because no one gives the Spurs the same benefit of a doubt. Game 7 of last year's NBA finals might have been different if Dwayne Wade's knees gave out, instead of Tony Parker's hamstring. Commentators are quick to talk about the Spurs being ousted in the first round of the 2011 playoffs, but hardly mention that Manu broke his arm the last game of the regular season was rendered less effective because of it.
Injuries happen in professional sports. That's the breaks. It just feels like the media is already making room for the Thunder to have an excuse when they lose, but they absolutely do not care if we have injured players.
7 months ago on Conversation @ http://projectspurs.com/2014-articles/a-defiant-serge-ibaka-wants-to-return-to-the-court.html
I don't disagree with most of your solution suggestions, but I just not have been impressed by the Spurs' intensity. Except for part of game three, it seems that the Mavs are playing with playoff intensity, and we're still playing the regular season. The Spurs are the better team, but the Mavs are playing harder, with more energy, more hunger. Despite everything, I still don't see the Spurs losing this series.
7 months, 4 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://projectspurs.com/2014-articles/problems-and-solutions-for-game-4.html
Carter made a great shot. Hats off to him. My problem was the and 1 the refs awarded Ellis on a jump shot where he created the contact against Diaw. Plus, Manu was fouled on his go ahead layup; it wasn't incidental contact either.
Nevertheless, I felt like the Mavs outworked us and played like the hungrier team for most of the game. It wasn't a lucky win. They earned it.
7 months, 4 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://projectspurs.com/2014-articles/analyzing-the-loss-mavericks-109-spurs-108-dallas-2-1-series-lead.html
Why would RC leave? Why would he mess up a good thing? He has missed on a few players (e.g. Jackie Blair, Richard Jefferson), but the front office is overall stellar. He really has a clear vision about the culture of the franchise. Even our recent pickup of complementary players and the ones we have stashed overseas has me excited about the future of the Spurs. We are one big free agent signing from seamlessly transitioning to a post-Duncan era (after months of crying and mourning the day TD finally retires).
8 months, 1 week ago on Conversation @ http://projectspurs.com/2014-articles/spurs-r-c-buford-chats-with-grantlands-lowe.html
I love Manu and Tony, but they're not better than Dirk. Technically, Hakeem is the best international player ever in my opinion. Remember that he started out playing soccer in Africa, and didn't pick up basketball until he was a teenager coming to the U.S.
8 months, 1 week ago on Conversation @ http://projectspurs.com/2014-articles/david-robinson-on-dirk-nowitzki-hes-clearly-the-best-international-player-ever.html
For what's its worth, Damien James has seemed to be more impactful than previous hopefuls Malcolm Thomas and Othyus Jeffers. Austin Daye has been more hesitant on his shots lately. Daye has great length, but lacks the strength that James has.
8 months, 1 week ago on Conversation @ http://projectspurs.com/2014-articles/damian-james-says-he-wants-to-he-one-of-the-best-defenders-in-the-nba.html
James has made some decent contributions for his very short time with the Spurs. He was a good scorer in college, so I think he can recapture that part of his game with some work. His strong skills as a rebounder and his athleticism are already on display. He does have the skill set to be a very good defender. Let's see what happens...
I was just so impressed with the Spurs fighting back to take this one. We played like it was a must win game for us. That's playoff mentality basketball! Kawhi Leonard is playing the way Paul George was playing BEFORE the all-star break. Ready for all takers. Looking forward to the Rockets game on Monday.
8 months, 2 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://projectspurs.com/2014-articles/spurs-rally-to-burn-suns-clinch-top-spot.html
The Thunder have tremendous length and strong perimeter defense to disrupt our passing game, plus they have a plethora of good shooters to complement the NBA's most prolific scorer in Kevin Durant. That being said, I think the Spurs play with "fear" and timidness when facing the Thunder. Our shooters play too tight and hesitate too much. We overpass. Patty Mills was effective, because he just played his normal game, not worrying about getting his shot blocked. Lastly, Pop's lineups against the Thunder were just whack in the second half. Didn't understand his third quarter combinations, which led to the Thunder gaining the lead, then in the fourth TD and Parker never come back in.
Yes, they are a tough matchup, but if the Spurs play with energy, spacing, and mental toughness they'll be okay. Did you see all the turnovers converted to points off Spurs making lazy passes or passes where the angle just simply wasn't there? If we limit the fastbreak points, the game will be ours. Our defense really wasn't all that bad, considering the giveaway points from our offense.
Thunder lost to the Rockets the following night with Dwight Howard on the bench.
8 months, 2 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://projectspurs.com/2014-articles/video-why-the-spurs-cant-beat-the-thunder.html
Actually, I'd rather Pop take a chance on Austin Daye, then keep Bonner on the playoff roster. The Red Mamba has just taken the post season exam and failed too many times for me to be excited about him as the last man off the bench. I like the toughness and size that Baynes brings. I was disappointed to not see Daye match up with Kevin Durant or Baynes bang inside against OKC's front court due to their injuries.
How come no one mentions that Patty Mills missed the entire playoffs last year due to injury?
8 months, 3 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://projectspurs.com/
I wonder if there is some mental baggage among the Spurs players. Yes, the Thunder are athletic and have great length, but too often, I watch Spurs hesitate on shots and sometimes over-pass the ball on offense. If we can attack the Heat and Pacers, we can do the same against the Thunder. I think we have Ibaka on the brain, We have to either make Ibaka play more 1-on-1 defense or make sure someone puts a body on him; most of his blocks are from the off-side.
I saw sloppiness on offense, lazy passes, passes where the angle obviously was not there, but we tried to force it anyway. Our defense wasn't really that bad. The Thunder scored 100+ due our multiple turnovers, not because we couldn't get stops. The Thunder like to gamble on the passing lanes and we obliged them without crisp offense.
The refs were NOT the reason we lost, but I'm so frustrated with calls against the Spurs EVERY time we play the Thunder. How does Duncan receive the double technical? I have watched Ibaka pin the ball to the backboard in several games against the Spurs, and no goal tending is called. We got the lead down to 9 in the 4th quarter, and Russell Westbrook runs over Patty Mills to get the ball and make a reverse dunk. Was I the only person in America who thought it was CLEARLY a foul on Westbrook?
That's my two cents. I remain confident that the Spurs would handle them in a 7-game series.
Turnovers were the difference. Pop never brought all the starters back after mid-way 3rd quarter. I hate when Pop waves the white flag when we have a chance at coming back. Caron Butler helped the Thunder in subtle ways. Parker and Duncan shot horribly tonight, so did Marco, which only made floor spacing worse.
8 months, 3 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://projectspurs.com/2014-articles/analyzing-the-loss-thunder-106-spurs-94.html
Coming out of college, I thought James would be a decent NBA player, not a superstar but a guy that we have a decent career as a secondary option among starters or the first or second guy off the bench. Since his injury issues, I had forgotten about him. I thought he was considered to have more upside than James Anderson out of OK State who used to be with us and certainly more highly regarded than our CuJo, a PG out from University of Texas.
8 months, 3 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://projectspurs.com/2014-articles/spurs-damion-james-passed-up-more-money-to-prove-his-worth.html
JoJo, I was thinking the same thing, that Bertans was 6'10". His game actually reminds me more of Tom Chambers from the old Seattle Sonics than Dirk Nowitzski. Smooth long-range shoot motion, but can also create off the dribble. Good athleticism that shows up on the defensive end. He already looks like a better all-around player than Ryan Richards and some of our other overseas draft picks.
8 months, 4 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://projectspurs.com/2014-articles/video-davis-bertans-returns-to-the-court-scores-20-points-in-20-minutes.html
No surprise, here. With Pop solidifying the roster in preparation for the playoffs, Daye wasn't likely to get many minutes. Going to the Toros will enable him to get lots of playing time, while learning the system. I really like his size and shooting stroke from the little time I've seen him play.
9 months, 1 week ago on Report: Spurs assign Daye to Austin
@BurkhartBrandon @jaws3 LOL, you are so right! Of the former Spurs you mentioned, only Michael Finley was heavily coveted when he signed. The rest of the list were clearly past their prime, although they all did have plenty of good basketball left. I think that the Spurs relying on high IQ basketball enables savvy players to play longer.
The comments about Stephen Jackson, Josh Howard et al are spot on. When these guys could really play they spurned the Spurs to play for teams that in most cases weren't any good. Artest had a few opportunities to sign with the Spurs when he weighed 40 lbs LESS!
9 months, 3 weeks ago on Report: Granger to sign with Clippers
@BurkhartBrandon @jaws3 Maybe you're right BB, but history says that many players CANNOT handle the pressure of playing in the big cities like NY and LA, nor safely navigate the night life. If winning a championship is your goal and you're an older NBA veteran, don't know why the Knicks, Nets, Clippers or Lakers would be on your wish list. NONE of those teams are going anywhere! Clippers have an outside shot, I guess, but even with Buter, they don't strike fear in me.
Small market? Now, THIS one really irritates me! Butler signs with the Thunder? He has no history with them. OKC is an even smaller market. I am astounded that we got no one out of the deal, but our chief competitors get better. Who knows what we do next but keep our core intact and focus on getting better. Seems like no one is willing to give the Spurs a shot, despite being a championship caliber team.
9 months, 3 weeks ago on Report: Butler to sign with Thunder
With Granger having family and an off-season home in LA, his signing with the Clippers makes sense, but it makes the whole interview process with other teams look like a charade. He should have just signed with the Clippers at the deadline and not wasted people's time. I think he will help the Clippers, but he would have been put to better use by Pop, even extending his career if he had re-signed.
I'm tired of the big city comparisons. LA, NYC and Miami are great places to visit, but I would NOT want to live there! Only recently has Miami become a hot destination with Lebron. Has-beens like Rashard Lewis now have NBA titles. Granger's decision was not a surprise, but Earl Clark to the Knicks is a headscratcher. Not holding my breath for Caron Butler either, but his game would nicely complement the Spurs.
Butler would be a nice addition if he signed with us, but I'm not overly optimistic. He had an opportunity to sign with the Spurs a couple of years ago and picked the Clippers I think for about the same money. I don't know why San Antonio is not a popular destination for players who want to join a contender, especially if the money is about the same.
9 months, 4 weeks ago on Report: Spurs eyeing Caron Butler