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@johnnyb3910 @gravey94 @IcyCup I think the reason people are intertwining these 2 is because Hayes is "supposedly" NHL ready and was probably promised a legit shot to break into the line-up THIS season, while Kristo signed a 1 year deal and is essentially a UFA at the end of the season (per Adam's post from yesterday). It would be a lot different if we were talking about JT Miller and Jesper Fast, but these are 2 older prospects who have unique situations. So this very well could be a one or the other proposition.
12 hours, 53 minutes ago on Conversation @ http://nyrangersblog.com/
@johnnyb3910 Have to disc agree a bit. Hayes has seen his college PPG go up pretty significantly every year. His season last year was stellar, but his progression in college has been outstanding. Yes, he played with Gaudreau, but his production went up 30 points last year playing on a line with Hayes. Sounds like it could be both helping one another, and their 3rd line mate was in a defensive/checking role, freeing them up for more offense. I don't get caught up in the hype over the kid until I see him play against the top dogs, but he is a legit prospect.
As far as Kristo, I'm not so sure. Yes, he led the Wolfpack in scoring with 43 points at the age of 24, in ONE season in the AHL. Kris Newbury put up 60 points at that same age, and we know how his career has gone. Kristo had a nice collegiate career as well, but he's 24. Stepan, Hagelin, McDonagh, Kreider...all college players who established themselves as legit top flight NHL players by the age of 24. Maybe Kristo will as well and just needs his shot, but Miller and Fast were both ahead of him last year on the cal-up chart. He NEEDS to have a stellar camp, if he's not already on the block. To me, he's got "potential bust" written on him in all caps, more than Hayes at this point.
14 hours, 51 minutes ago on Conversation @ http://nyrangersblog.com/
Let's face facts here, Kristo was taken 5 spots after Stepan. The only player that looks to be any type of impact player taken after him is Adam Henrique and there are only a handful of guys that MIGHT have bottom jobs for a few years. If Kristo doesn't light it up in training camp this season, I think it's a pretty safe bet to say that he'll be a pretty decent AHL player. Since Christian Thomas doesn't look to be a high impact player either, the trade for Kristo was a no risk gamble that just didn't pan out.
Another thing to note, when this trade was made, a lot of people were calling it a coup for the Rangers and putting him in the top 6. I think maybe it's a lesson to temper expectations on these types of players (Hayes included) until we actually see them perform consistently with the big boys. There are less than 700 NHL players in total. That's not a great percentage of prospects that "make it" considering there are 350 or so drafted each year.
1 day, 10 hours ago on Conversation @ http://nyrangersblog.com/2014-articles/danny-kristos-future-with-the-rangers-is-in-doubt.html
@Herman_NYRBlog @gravey94 He's got 10 points in 56 games. He's been solid, but he hasn't shown much to convince that he can sustain a top 6 role in the NHL. Hayes looks to be a solid player too and may actually have a better upside since he's a bit older and has played with top end talent. Time will tell. All I'm saying is that putting him behind Miller does not scream top 6 to me. But based on other assessments, perhaps he would actually be the Rangers' top prospect. I guess we'll find out in a few weeks what he's really got!
2 days, 9 hours ago on Conversation @ http://nyrangersblog.com/2014-articles/report-kevin-hayes-has-signed-with-the-new-york-rangers.html
This sounds like good news, but I'm just curious about something. Adam, if you would have had him 3rd behind Miller, does that mean he's a bit of a lesser player than Miller? If so, how much of a coup is this really, since JT has not exactly lit the world on fire to this point.
Personally, I like the fact that the Rangers got younger with some talent instead of going after some over the hill vet. Here's to hoping they caught lightning in a bottle!
2 days, 11 hours ago on Conversation @ http://nyrangersblog.com/2014-articles/report-kevin-hayes-has-signed-with-the-new-york-rangers.html
@cb1 Also...Don Maloney, Richter, Greschner, Erixon, Weight, Sandstrom, Tyutin, Sauer, Amonte, Beezer, Zubov, Turcotte, Granato, Miller (Kelly), and Nemchinov. Not bad at all.
1 week ago on Conversation @ http://nyrangersblog.com/
@BringBackBeukeboom @gravey94 @KevinTheNYRBlog The report on Jessiman was that he had size AND hands to go with it. Injuries derailed him completely and he was never able to recover. He's a lot like Billy Beane who was a 5 tool draft for the Mets but never panned out due to injuries. Maybe Jessiman will coin "Moneypuck" ;-)
@KevinTheNYRBlog @gravey94 Oh I'm not saying I wouldn't have loved fro them to take those players, but the only difference maker to me is Giroux. And I don't count the 2003 draft because it's too painful.
1 week, 1 day ago on Conversation @ http://nyrangersblog.com/
That Jessiman pick is indefensible. He was the Rangers' Todd Blackledge or Sam Bowie!
But let's be real here. Sure there have been better players the Rangers could have drafted. But from 1995 - 2011 there have been 303 players drafted after #10 (not including the aforementioned draft). Technically, there have been 22 all-stars, but realistically the only top notch players in those 22 picks have been Briere, Hossa, Green, Kopitar, Rask, Karlsson, Semin, Ward, Staal, McDonagh, Tanguay, Williams, and Eberle. So that's 13 players out of 303 or a 4% chance. The Rangers have 2 of them on their roster right now, which is 2 players in 17 years or about 12%. Sounds to me like they're doing 3x as good as the average. Their problem has been not having a top 10 pick, and even when they did (Brendl/Lundmark, Montoya, Malhotra, Blackburn), the draft has been less than stellar to crappy anyway. So their drafting has not bee awful, particularly since Clark took over, but their seasons have not been awful enough when they were not making the playoffs.
@queensbee @Say my Name Riiiiiight, it's the suit you love ;-)
1 week, 2 days ago on Conversation @ http://nyrangersblog.com/
Nah, Hank's got the title for the Men's department. Zucc is clearing aiming to corner the market for the designer kid's clothes!
@JoeSec.327 After they won the Cup, because half those guys weren't on the team at the beginning of THE season ;-) What, no Mike Hudson?
1 week, 3 days ago on Conversation @ http://nyrangersblog.com/
In other breaking news...Lundqvist ate breakfast this morning and expects to take a dump later today. That is all.
God I need some hockey!
2 weeks, 1 day ago on Conversation @ http://nyrangersblog.com/
@Scott from SEC 224 @gravey94 Because he wants to be more than what he is. No point offering him a deal as a 4th liner if he fancies himself a top 6 or 9 forward.
2 weeks, 2 days ago on Conversation @ http://nyrangersblog.com/
@Say my Name @gravey94 I got yer back!
@Say my Name @gravey94 Yep, good for him. But he means nothing to me anymore so good riddance. I never had many amicable break-ups either ;-)
Brian Boyle is dead to me. Instead of wanting to win in the greatest city in the world, he valued money and the "promise" of a bigger role more. That's fine and is totally within his rights. I thank the Brian Boyle that played for the Rangers, but the second he left he became a deserter and is not worthy of the Rangers' blue anymore. Good riddance, I'd much rather have players that want to be here!
Or maybe he just realizes what a farce that department it and wants nothing to do with it :-) I hope your scenario is right though!
3 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://nyrangersblog.com/
Maybe he doesn't like deep dish.
3 weeks, 2 days ago on Conversation @ http://nyrangersblog.com/
I loved that Bo Knows commercial! But man, Jim Everett was the best they could do for football?
Meh, talk is cheap. Gotta back it up Brown...oh wait...crap! Damn dynasty! Well Brown has the right initials because he is one big DB in my book. Take that Dustin!
@KevinTheNYRBlog @gravey94 Oh yea, forgot about that! You probably had a Graves crush too...you bastard!
3 weeks, 4 days ago on Conversation @ http://nyrangersblog.com/
Kevin, I hate to say it but I think your man crushes make you more of a Delilah than Olivia Munn! First Mashinter is gone, now Carcillo? Don't crush on Kreider, whatever you do!
@EHBIGAPPLE @gravey94 @IcyCup I hope you are right. I would like nothing better.
3 weeks, 4 days ago on Conversation @ http://nyrangersblog.com/2014-articles/rangers-sign-brassard-to-five-year-deal.html
@IcyCup @gravey94 True. He is young and they do have some great coaching. Plus the deal ins't awful and if Brassard steps it up a notch, this will be a good deal.
3 weeks, 5 days ago on Conversation @ http://nyrangersblog.com/2014-articles/rangers-sign-brassard-to-five-year-deal.html
Not in love with the $5M as he hasn't shown that he can take the next step to the 50+ point club in the past 4 years (Worlds ;-)). I don't mind the length, I just think they overpaid for unrealized potential, especially since past production does not indicate future increases. Still, doesn't look like ti will be a terrible deal and I'm glad they're not effin' up last year's team core too much.
What? No Nash...LOL!
I think it ends up McDonagh with the C, St. Louis and Staal with the A's. What I'd like to see would be McDonagh with the C, Stepan and Zucc with the A's. Give the leadership responsibilities to the future. St. Louis doesn't lead a letter to lead or be looked at as a leader. I'd give an A back to Staal if he signs long term.
4 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://nyrangersblog.com/
I owe a larger than life apology to this guy! I didn't think he had the stones to stick in the NHL when he first came here. Welp, I'll take my crow with a humble pie chaser! Not only can this dude play, he's got the heart of a lion and the loyalty of an elephant. I see no reason why he doesn't get an A on his sweater next season, except for maybe the fact that he's on a 1 year deal. I love the little shit!
4 weeks, 1 day ago on Conversation @ http://nyrangersblog.com/
So let me get this straight, according to Uncle Larry, the arbitrator would award Brassard $4.5M based on production that is right in line with the previous 4 years of his career. Yet Sather is closing in on a deal that will pay him about a million $$ more per year. Does anyone else see flawed logic in that? Yea, I know, Brassard would probably get overpaid if he went to UFA next year, but keep in mind that 2016 is shaping up to be the year of the UFA center (Staal, Stamkos, Kopitar, Backes, O'Reilly, Kesler, etc.). Having Derek Brassard as the 3rd line center would be awesome! Having Derek Brassard as the 3rd line center making north of $5M per...not so much.
@ObviouslyWeHadAGoodRun @gravey94 Never said Jumbo. I'm not a Brassard hater at all. I like the guy, I like what he brings. I just don't think he brings 2nd line center production on a championship team. As far as who to trade for as a #1 center, I have no idea because I have no idea who would actually be available at a price the Rangers could afford. Sather does have a pulse on those things and normally does well. There are 47 other centers who had more production than Brassard last year, so there are other options.
1 month ago on Conversation @ http://nyrangersblog.com/
@Gianni74 @gravey94 @betweentheworlds We have no idea what centers are available. Hell, maybe Stamkos is available because his contract is up in 2 years and he'll get a TON of money. Brassard was 48th among centers last year in scoring. I'm willing to bet that a good portion of the 47 below him will not be making $5.5M and would be available via trade if the right things happened (e.g., team needs to cut cap space, down year, upcoming cheaper prospect, etc.).
@betweentheworlds The Columbus teams he was on when his plus/minus was bad were god awful teams. Larry Robinson would have been a minus 20 on those teams! I do hope you're right that he's maturing and getting better, but I don't see it. I think he is what he is and that's all that he is.
@betweentheworlds He had the same production in Columbus as he's had in NY. He came into his own 4 years ago. He is what he is, a mid-40's point producer, not terrible in the face-off circle but not great either, and OK defensively but far from solid. On a championship team, he's a 3rd line center who can move up in a pinch. No way is he worth anything close to $5.5M per.
Attaboy! Although it's gonna be tough to sign him and Stamkos at the end of 2016 ;-)
If they sign Brass for $5.5M, then I would expect him to be dealt at some point along with another cap eater (Hags?) for a #1 center. Step is a better player than Brass and moving him to 2nd line center makes this team better. They can't afford to keep a mid-40 point player on the roster at $5.5M. If they could, Cally or Dubi would still be here. Wish more of these guys had the mentality of Zucc, but they all just want to get paid.
@betweentheworlds How did Brassard "come into his own" last season? He didn't have a break-out season, he put up the same production that always has since he became a full time NHLer (36-47-41-29-45). He's a decent 2nd line player, but there is no way he's even close to living up to being a #6 pick.
Um yea, I'm guessing young kids with markers and crayons wouldn't fit too well in an all white $6M+ apartment. Clearly Hank was FORCED to sell. He can't have anything nice with those kids!
Excellent write-ups! Great information for those of us that crave news on the Rangers' future but don't have the ability to see it first hand! Personally, I'm really looking forward to seeing 2 or 3 of the kids make the roster to see what they've got!
If Brassard is looking for $5.5M per season, then don't let the door hit you on the way out. I like the guy, I think he can be a solid center for the Rangers, but last year is exactly what he'e been his entire career...a mid-40pt player who can chip in goals here and there, and also disappears at times. No way on God's green earth is he worth anywhere close to $5.5M per season. Highest I would go for him would be $4.25M, and even that's a stretch!
Zucc, on the other hand, has shown steady improvement since he got to the NHL. Locking him in at $4.5M for 4 years now, will be a steal in a year or 2. I wasn't convinced of him when he first got here, but the dude's got game!. I'd love to see them lock up Kreider for McDonagh type year at maybe $3.5M, but I think they'll go lower with the bridge deal because they just don't have the cap.
The obvious move is to trade Staal, but it seems like Sather rarely does the obvious. There could be something out of the blue to free up space.
@ObviouslyWeHadAGoodRun Stop with all the damn logic already, it has no place on this blog!! So when are we getting Stamkos?
1 month, 1 week ago on Conversation @ http://nyrangersblog.com/
We Want The Cup!!
Tough luck for Nicholls, he would have done no worse than 35 if Mashinter was still here! Excellent write up!!
@GregQuinn @KevinTheNYRBlog Yes. No trade means he can't be traded but can be waived and/or sent to the minors. Bridge deal is a deal that that's shorter and pays less to a player in their RFA years, rather than giving them a long term deal up front and having them be a bust.
@EHBIGAPPLE @gravey94 @FrankCerbone Apple, to me the biggest factor in success of picks and not is that the organizations picking them have no control over their development until they hit the AHL. Baseball has 3 levels of minor leagues under the umbrella of the big club. Football has practice squads for their rookies and expanded rosters. Hockey teams pick 7+ players every year who are either in junior leagues, overseas, in college, etc. It's definitely not the norm for players to hit the AHL right out of the draft. Which means there are a ton of other coaches/philosophies that they go through before ever getting to the program of the team that drafts them. So a once promising player can suddenly "lose it" and vice versa.
1 month, 1 week ago on Conversation @ http://nyrangersblog.com/2014-articles/the-clear-cut-case-of-tanner-glass-hes-not-good-at-hockey.html
@EHBIGAPPLE @gravey94 @FrankCerbone Well, considering there has not been a dynasty since the Oilers of the 80s, I don't think any one organization has some type of secret sauce that others don't. You can look at the Red Wings making the playoffs 23 straight seasons, making it to the Finals 6 times and winning 4 Cups as a model I guess, but they also had some pretty stacked teams with some pretty good top 10 picks and other free agent signings and trades. The biggest issue facing the Rangers for the past 20 years has been the lack of chances at multiple top 10 picks. Their best shot was 2005 when they had no worse than a 4th pick and got screwed in the lottery moving them to 12th. Chicago was bad for years and got to build with Toews and Kane. Pittsburgh same thing with Malkin and Crosby. Same for the Devils in their heyday (Shanny, Niedermeyer, Guerin). Kings (Doughty, Schenn, Kopitar). And the list goes on. You need a good young core to consistently win. I think they may have some semblance of that now with McDonagh, Stepan, Kreider, Zucc, and maybe guys like Brass and Hags. Only time will tell. They did make it to the Finals after all.
@FrankCerbone @gravey94 Wow, way to piss on a dead guy. Cherapanov died of a heart issue, but the exact cause is not known for sure. The "blood doping" was a ridiculous claim that was later found to be caused by the shitty way the medical staff tried to treat him when he collapsed. The were all suspended for trying to play doctor.
So Rockstrom discovered Fast, that's nice. I really hope he ends up being a Hope diamond in the rough, but he hasn't shown a whole lot yet.
Hedberg was head European scout starting in 2007. Rockstrom had plenty of time before that to be the Super Scout. And during that time where Hedberg was head scout, Rockstrom was Director of Player Personnel in Europe, so it's not like he was out of the loop.
Yes, he was a scout with Detroit and he and Smith (who headed their scouting) discovered Lidstrom. He was 1 of 5 Europeans taken in the 1st 3 rounds. Different world back then. Smith gets as much credit as Rockstrom (probably more) for having the guts to take a Swede with a 3rd round pick. And Federov? Come on. He played on a line with Bure and Mogilny. That's not exactly a "discovery". They got him to defect, which was a credit to them.
@FrankCerbone From 1993 - 2010 the Rangers picked a European/Russian 17 times in the 1st 3 rounds, including 4 first rounders. Of those 17, 1 player (Fedor Tyutin) has had an OK career worthy of their pick number. Picking those 17 also resulted in passing up on such no name European/Russians as Koivu, Timonen, Hedjuk, Alfredsson, Vokun, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Kaberle, Havlat, Edler, Rinne, and Streit. Yes, Hank was "found" in Round 7. Of course that was after picking such household names as Filip Novak (2nd round), Premsyl Duben (4th round), and Sven Helfstein (6th round). Rangers picked 70 or so European/Russian players during Rockstrom's time. Besides Lundqvist, the most notable names were Tyutin, Anisimov, Zidlicky, Sundstrom, Hagelin, and Fast (although I don't know if he was involved in this since he was fired weeks later). He had 9 picks in the 1st 3 rounds during Sather's tenure, including 2 first rounders. Sorry, he's definitely not a "super scout" in my book, and it's not because Sather and Clark handcuffed him. He was pretty pedestrian at it even before Sather joined the Rangers.
@johnnyb3910 But we don't know if he tries to work with the impending UFAs during the season. All reports were that he approach Cally last summer but his salary demands were ridiculous. Hank was signed mid-season. Boyle & Stralman, who knows, maybe he did try to speak with them but they wanted too much or wanted to test free agency. And maybe he plans to trade Staal. For RFAs, I doubt Sather would ever try to negotiate a deal during the season because he has all the leverage, particularly since nobody puts out offer sheets. As far as other teams "building their franchises for the next 5 years", I would argue that Chicago has done the opposite. 5 years from now they will be a team with 2 great forwards, a good but aging forward, an OK goalie, a great offensive defenseman, and another good defenseman nearing the end of a cap-friendly deal, eating up 60% of their cap space. Chicago did it right after they won their first Cup. This will come back to bite them in the next couple of years.
@tygalpin @bk59 But Glass has a better Farsi quotient.
I always thought the Blackhawks were the model franchise for how to win. Welp, scratch that. They'll be good for the next 1-2 years, but when it comes to re-signing guys like Sharp, Bickell, Shaw, Saad, and Seabrook, they're gonna be in a world of trouble. They'll have 60% of their cap space tied up in long term contracts to 6 players. They must REALLY thin they have a fantastic farm system because there's no way they're gonna be able to stock high end talent via free agency or trade.
As far as the Rangers, they should have enough to sign all those guys and then fill the other 2 spots with some kids, unless they can find a cheap bargain in the market for a potential 3rd line scorer, or make a trade.