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what are they supposed to say? "ya the bobby ryan negotiations are not working as hoped" there isn't much you can get from the org until they're done. i hope it gets done but i have my doubts. i'm not even sure it can get done until the season is on its way.
2 weeks, 1 day ago on Conversation @ http://the6thsens.com/2014-articles/randy-lee-speaks-what-went-wrong-prospects-ryan-negotiation-status.html
@TrevorKluke @FloAction as much as you think it's cute it's really the value he should be getting on his next contract. if you're thinking he should be getting orpik money then you're miscalculating.
orpik => stanley cup ring, olympic silver medal... methot, scratched last year on games, possibly disciplinary for his drinking habits/failing to show the right attitude.
the fact that he was for a taken off the karlsson pairing should indicate that he wasn't playing as expected. he was a few times in PMac's doghouse if i recall.
and how as lowballing workd for the sens? i dunno, kyle turris, karlsson and Z smith are all signed to amazing deals which would be considered lowballed today.
unless you mean alfie which i believe there's much more to the story then numbers or spezza on which we parted ways with a player on the decline.
so ya, 4.5 is about right. maybe they'll go up to 5. but you're dreaming if you think he'll get 6. he'll get traded before that happens.
3 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://the6thsens.com/2014-articles/methot-contract-negotiations-stall.html
i think a 6 year 27 mill is fair in my eyes. yes he'd only be getting 4.5 but he's getting stability and term. when that deal would expire he'd be going on 37. who knows how effective he'd be by then. he wants to play in ottawa so yeah, take the hometown discount because no way is he worth 6.
he doesn;t take the offer well be ready to get traded... this summer.
3 weeks, 2 days ago on Conversation @ http://the6thsens.com/2014-articles/methot-contract-negotiations-stall.html
that's a terrible idea. ypu have to walk away from the old guard at one point. you can keep the A on phillips but with diminished play time you can't make him captain.
i think the best way to enter the season would be without a captain, let one set himself apart.
1 month ago on Conversation @ http://the6thsens.com/2014-articles/kyle-turris-keeps-rising-to-the-challenge.html
Will Turris add a label and be made captain? or will Karlsson run away with the title.
I certainly hope the org doesn't opt for soon to be third pairing Phillips.
With melnyk selling off assets I wouldn't be surprised to see a minority partner brought in to create some cash to a leave some of his depts.
1 month ago on Conversation @ http://the6thsens.com/2014-articles/crossroads-contract-negotiations-update-with-lehner-and-impending-2015-ufas.html
James neil to ottawa?
i would love a deal that would bring him here. would show the org is committed to bringing in talent. what would it cost? it's hard to tell. maybe Methot, pumpel and whatever 1st comes in the spezza trade?
i would do that in a heart beat.
2 months, 1 week ago on Conversation @ http://the6thsens.com/2014-articles/monday-news-and-notes-spezza-karlsson-wjhc-invites.html
@smilesic ok people need to calm down. Ek has 5 years left on his deal. even if he were to ask for a trade they would not grant it to him.
let's focus on getting Bobby Rye a new contract and winning some games, then i'm sure the team will be (emotionally) on an upswing.
i love the primary Jersey.
3 months ago on Conversation @ http://the6thsens.com/2014-articles/max-mccormick-signs-elc-and-the-senators-are-hiring.html
I would hope boyle would be a target. we suffered greatly on the back end by loosing Gonchar. it's not solely what he brings on the ice but what he brings in the dressing room and with younger guys. weir would probably benefit a lot from playing with him. if they do acquire him something will have to go or give. then again if stewart ends up in ottawa, Boro might be a piece going to buff.
3 months, 1 week ago on Conversation @ http://the6thsens.com/
yup i would be asking for tara or schwartz, maybe ask less in return as in add 1st or a prospect like rattie instead or andm but you don't make a deal if it's backlund coming back. you look for other trade partners. it's a ways till the draft. you keep shopping.
3 months, 1 week ago on Conversation @ http://the6thsens.com/2014-articles/andy-strickland-verifies-that-blues-interest-in-spezza-is-real.html
I'm starting to think this team will never be able to fully compete until it's lifted of these silly budgetary restrictions melnyk has over it. I'm not saying spend just to spend but enough of the lip service about the team can be better strictly through drafting. we should be going after some of the best Fa agents out there and continue to compliment the team.
this should be a year where we go after a veteran blueliner like Dan Boyle to put a steady the second pairing and give this youth a bit more leadership. this should be a time where after we deal spezza for a quality winger we could go after stastny and prove to be deep down the middle. then we could trade for stewart.
no... lets cross our fingers and hope we can do a trade or two and stay on the periphery of contending longer.
I'm afraid we'll never truly able to contend with Melnyk tugging at the purse strings.
4 months, 2 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://the6thsens.com/2014-articles/eugene-melnyk-speaks-follows-up-conference-call-on-tsn-radio.html
ya just had a look at it. pretty bad for the first 3 years. maybe they're better off trying him out next year to see if under another coach he can perform better. it's gonna be shanabana's team next year. I expect they'll fire Nonnis and Carlyle.
4 months, 3 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://the6thsens.com/uncategorized/senators-set-to-lose-staff-to-buffalo.html
@Nichols6thSens @FloActionwhen you go after a player you better damn well know you're going to put him in a situation where he can succeed. doesn't seem like nonnis and carlyle saw eye to eye on that. I'm not even saying clarkson can't be successful in the NHL, but you have to utilize him properly and obviously there is some misscalculation between the leafs as to what type of player he is or how to properly utilize him
. from what i gathered both PMac and BM were after Clarkson. they probably had a plan for him. probably utilize him the way greening was being used on the first line with spezza. he'd probably be more productive then greening was too.maybe the same way that scouting on our team recognise that macarthur wasn't played to his full advantage. i'd still take clarkson on my team today. it will be interesting to see if they buy him out if BM still goes after him. obviously his price tag will be lesser.
is he the scout that scouted Macarthur and said we should take him? cuz that was one of the best FA acquisition of the summer. pro-scouts are pretty important. ask Nonnis what he thinks when they can him over the Clarkson 6 year deal. eeeey ho!
funny how spezza didn't receive an invite. I guess he's not that valuable in their eyes either...
Honestly you guys put so much emphasis on the points he puts up but not as much on the points he allows when he's on the ice. he lacks the drive to get back in his own zone, clearly he's not a 200ft type of player. we'd probably do much better with a guy that gets 25 less points a year that plays a complete game. to reference the mendes article i'd take ladd over spezza anyday. the problems in winnipeg are deeper then a team not following their captain. i'm not sure ladd is the right captain but that's besides the point. you can have immense success in the nhl without a PPG center but instead a guy that plays with more compete and an all around game. key point patrice bergeron.
i sincerely hope we trade spezza this summer, hell if we could get ladd in a deal i'd be all over it. but i'm sure captain giggles won't waive his NTC for winnipeg. but there are guys all around the league that could be made available in exchage, that i'd take over spezza. it will be interesting to see if Anaheim, st-louis or NY get bounced in the first, they could be fishing for an answer on scoring and hopefully BM pulls the trigger.
let's move on from the core that failed to show compete in the finals in 2007 and focus around our young core building. we have turris, karls, ryan, mac, zib, Zsmith and let's hope we can build up wier and cowen to get better. hopefully BM takes a serious stab at Dan boyle this summer, we could use a guy like him to stabilize the back end and show some vet support.
and please enough of the apologist with the spezza, his time is done, plenty has been said about why he'll likely be on the decline. i just cannot see how he will ever help us life a cup.
4 months, 3 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://the6thsens.com/2014-articles/spezza-mum-on-his-future.html
he's clearly been outplayed by other goalies within the organization. 50 spots doesn't amount to that much when you get down to it.
4 months, 4 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://the6thsens.com/2014-articles/senators-looking-to-trade-francois-brassards-rights.html
I find you highly critical of bobby ryan. before it is said he sustained his back injury you saw a player that put 100% compete out there, managed to get some speed which was thought he lacked and even back-ckecked, there was a guy that was easily on route to the 40 goal plateau. we're not talking about a guy like michalek that's managed to get close by getting some empty netters and bad goals but a guy that will consistently find the back of the net with talent. honestly if you don't think that's worth retaining you need to take a hard long look at winning organizations out there. you will pay for elite talent. on top of the fact that after what should be labeled a disastrous season you have him publicly come out and say he's happy to sit down and negotiate a long term contract with BM? you're gonna have to make nothing short of an amazing pitch to get FA to come to ottawa in the first place i don't think you need to push your best assets out of town as their dedication to staying long term here will impact others to want to come here.
on the other hand,i completely agree that you that spezza has to be traded for the best return you can get. his time is up and luckily he's having a fairly good end of the season so that should boost his value up. his health declining compiled with his refusal to play a 200 foot game and his lack of character let alone that i doubt the team can go anywhere as a captain make it a no brainer that he needs too be moved.
it will be hard to decide who replaces him as captain (not a fan of a third pairing dman in Phillips being the captain) but that's why i would enter next season without a captain and let someone separate themselves from the pack to earn that title.
4 months, 4 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://the6thsens.com/
Pmac has made questionable moves all season long. his reliance on veterans when they were clearly not ready to play or were suffering speaks to me that he had problems deviating from his game plan.
I'd really like to understand his logic this year. most of the time he'd do the opposite of what you'd expected he'd do.
playing andersson when lehner was hot, going with a broken michalek, benching wier all the time.... playing cowen all the time... phillips being counted on so much and his PP time? so many line changes, not letting chemestry develop... the man was a tornado.
5 months ago on Conversation @ http://the6thsens.com/
@Nichols6thSens @FloAction dunno, resembles last season quite a bit if you ask me.
5 months ago on Conversation @ http://the6thsens.com/uncategorized/pageau-promoted-jason-spezza-and-cowen-out-for-tonights-game.html
spezza out, sens win. surprises? no.
get him out of here!
also when was the last time the sens had less then 2 goals against? mmmhhhhh no spezza i say eh?
Can't remember the exact game but I think it was in OT and spezza failed to cover his guy and (again) no back check and blamed greening for the whole thing. Probably lost the room there and then.
5 months ago on Senators Content to 'Ride With Spezza as the Main Guy'?
you resign Bobby ryan, there's no issue there. we do not have the kind of talent he has in the org or is it easy to have. had he not gotten injured he'd most likely gotten to 40 goals again. thankfully those totals could be expected with turris and without spezza which you absolutely have to part ways with. if BM cannot get the job done, get someone who can in in his place.
5 months ago on Conversation @ http://the6thsens.com/2014-articles/murrayspeaks.html
the time has come and pass for Jason, if Brian Murray can't see that maybe it's Brian Murrays time that has come and passed with this org. And i'm a huge BM fan. I cannot support a decision that keeps Jason over this summer. spezza does not play a 200 foot game, he's weak defensively, his health is always in question and he's not shown ever leadership qualities(throwing other players under the bus). he's a hindrance to this team going forward, we'd be better off without him(see last year). lets capitalize on getting a rturn now as opposed to being stuck with the anchor that he is.
I certainly hope the senators can make a convincing offer to Hemsky or else this trade was a mistake.
I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do on a line with Zib when Spezza has been shipped off.
this team is going to lose michalek, then spezza and some are arguing maybe even Anderson. we're gonna need to offer up 5-6 to Hemsky if we're hoping to stay above the cap floor. i get that there will be salary coming back in a spezza trade it might be in the form of two players.
Are we that budget conscious with the new TV rights? is it that hard to imagine that we'll be several millions over the cap? melnyk's stated that he would spend if it was in the best interest of the team (now whatever his word means is another discussion altogether).
5 months, 1 week ago on Insider Trading Talks Hemsky
I don't believe this organization is possibly ever going to go the tanking way of the oilers, i can't see that being good and for the most part you end up with a losing culture around the room much like what the oilers are experiencing. they are leagues away from being a contender. absolutely no back end.
a few things that could and maybe should happen in the off season
Jason Spezza should be traded. where is a bit of mystery but maybe a team like the NYR where they could possibly get stepan back with a promising winger could be interesting, maybe they go to colorado and we end up with ROR although we might have to add something to that deal.
we need some veteran prescence on the back end and not on the bottom pairing. the loss of gonchar was obvious, Dan Boyle is looking to become a FA and i'm very surprised the sharks haven't made him an offer yet. he could easily slide into our top 4 and bring some stability.
I still think stewart ends up here and that might be a draft day deal when picks worth are at the highest. wier and a 2nd could possibly do it. Tim Murr was saying when he landed his new job that buff needed more mobile PMD coming up and they didn't have that type in the system. could very easily see him going for him.
that's 3 deals and i know it sounds more like an NHL13 scenario then hockey deals.
I'm not sure BM has the balls to trade spezza but it sure is what should happen. as for Bobby Rye which is the other big question mark, i doubt Bobby will want to ink a new contract with such a disappointing season to show for. him and his agent will want to have a better showing to try and negotiate a better deal. unless we are throwing kessel type of money at him, i doubt he'll agree to a new contract. I doubt Murray trades him either. they'll probably try and work out a deal before the trade Deadline and if they can't by then then.... that'll be it.
5 months, 2 weeks ago on TSN's Brent Wallace Gets Candid On 'In The Box'
@Nichols6thSens @FloActionmaybe he's planning a forensic investigative team to find out the true cause of all their problems.
6 months ago on Cory Conacher and Joe Corvo Waived
we want more info on Melnyk's meeting with the minister! that's bigger news then any trades we've had today. ;)
I dunno, seems to me like he's just talking and hasn't got a clue what BM is really going to do. BM is a smart man, I doubt he puts any assets into a rental but some teams clear out players now that waiting in the summer might get them thinking again on how they might fair in a new season. and this may be a good time to buy low on stewart or ehrhoff. truth be told, there are never that many players ever available. teams like to cut bait at this time of year, we go after players with term, we part ways with Phillips... and that big rumor of Neil going to colorado, hahaha, rumors will be rumors.
6 months ago on Melnyk Speaks - "We’re definitely not sellers"
@Madmonk81 ahead of stone and hoffman? I don't think so.
Truth be told is Prince is a bit of a longer term prospect. i think they imagined he'd be going back to the AHL next season and prove he produce even more then.
again, he could very well be a piece to a trade. like stated not all our players will get a chance to make the big show with this team.
the problem i see with this is that these prospects think they're untitled to get a shot. I'd tell them "listen kids, you're young, be happy you're in this system that will give you a shot, if it was detroit you wouldn't get one till you close in on 25." too much entitlement.
6 months ago on Has Shane Prince Asked For A Trade?
I also have no problem with bromance between alfie and karls.
C'mon, are people expecting them to be pissed at each other? if anything it might be a good thing, i'm sure Alfie is mature enough to let Karls go his on way. it's probably no secret what happened this summer and this won't change any of that information.
Melnyk is the one that needs to submit an internal apology to the players. this debacle could of been adverted.
6 months, 2 weeks ago on Selfies from Sochi
personally i think the best deadline move we could make is trade for Alfie. zetterberg is out for the season, i have my doubts the wings make the playoffs. in the same move Melnyk should sell the team in order to facilitate this transition of Alfie coming home.
Melnyk is quietly killing this team.
it's been said over and over again. must part ways with spezza. it's not rocket science.
7 months ago on Senators Deal Falls Through
I'll buy Murray the finnest bottle of baby duck on the market if he can secure Bobby Ryan for 6.5 for 8 mill!
7 months ago on Impending UFAs Asking for Big Money Contracts - A Look to Ottawa's Future
most of your comparative contracts are from guys that have signed those contract years ago. the market is evolving and contracts are getting higher. the newer ones, marleau's production is looking to decrease. just watch how much Vanek will get this summer.
again you base what your saying on what you expect players should get. that is not the common philosophy in the NHL if you want to compete you better be offering similar value to what the other teams are offering, or else they will walk. this team cannot affoard to let ryan walk after having traded a 1st, noeson and silf. it would reset us back in the rebuild a couple of years.
how on earth are you going to find another 30 goal scorer? there isn't really one coming up through the organization, you will pay a lot more through FA (that;s if you can convince one to come to ottawa as opposed to another organization.
I don't know if you missed the memo after the last CBA but the only extra leverage teams have to keep free agents is the fact they possess the right to offer a 8th year on a contract to a player within their org.
B you're comparing old dollars to new dollars. before the CBA players making 6+ were superior athletes, now clarcksons of this world get 6. to retain a guy that is a borderline top 6 almost scoring 20 per season you have to pay 4 mill per. a guy like kessel gets 8-9 mill a year. you're forgetting a guy like bobby ryan is putting up 30 + every year. not an anomaly where he has great contract year, EVERY YEAR. so far playing him with turris and mac has put him on pace for 30 again. if you call that a failed experiment and expect him more a complete player then he is you might be expecting generational or elite players to grow on trees. this is by far one of BM's best move in ottawa yet.
this is the NHL in 2014. the bidding starts at 7 mill.
if you think they can get bobby Rye to sign for 7 mill or less you are day dreaming. it's not about what he's gonna have done in terms of production with highs and lows, it's going to be about how much he CAN get on the open market. we're going to have to match those expectation and tack an 8th year on that contract. no if and buts. that's just the way it is.
Boyes would cost us very little. looks and smell like a BM trade. i'd rather have him than hemsky... at least he'll probably play till the playoffs. hemsky will most likely succumb to injury.
O'Reilly is optimal and probably therefore not a possibility. Kulikov is a huge question mark, not sure a Russian is actually on the cards Murray is holding.
7 months, 1 week ago on Senators Scouts in Florida
and Hemsky get hurt before we even get into the playoffs. I'm sure if BM pulls that trade there will be preliminarily contract talks with Moulson involved.
7 months, 1 week ago on Senators Interested in Matt Moulson?
let's face it, if a guy like bobby ryan moves on it reflects on the ownership unwillingness to spend to make this team better. the murrays have tried all they coud to make this franchise competitive. how many times this season have we heard that BM couldn't complete trades due to our inability to swallow a cap hit.
it's all becoming quite clear who the problem is in ottawa and the only one that can remove that from the equation is himself.
as for Jason Spezza i would think we could still get a descent return at the trade deadline but i doubt that will happen, maybe this summer?
7 months, 3 weeks ago on Tim Murray - The Next GM of the Buffalo Sabres
getting Havlat would reek of desperation. they shoud try some call ups for sure. lots of guys down there just begging for a chance. it's what made us so pesky last year, might nt be a long term solution but it's worth revisiting.
9 months, 2 weeks ago on Consistently Inconsistent
I like Bobby's reaction to it all but i hope they slack on him after he starts producing. you know the next big hassle is next summer until he signs an extension they're gonna be relentlessly harassing him on the subject.
10 months, 3 weeks ago on Panic, What Panic?: Bobby Ryan is going to be fine
I get the feeling that there's more to the story on O'brien that we've yet to hear. he seemed to have earned his spot last year and at one point in the season was taken out and never given a place again. my guess is Paul and jimmy must have headbutted somewhere. he's not a bad 4rth liner with some limited scoring capabilities. I also thought Edm would have taken a shot at him when he went through waivers.
11 months ago on J.O.B. Looking for a Job
That game vs the Panthers filmed on a toaster. hahaha, ya whenever i stream one of their games i feel like i'm watching footage from the 80's. hopefully the panthers new owners will invest some money into their broadcasting services and maybe get a couple of cams from the 90"s hopefully?
11 months ago on JOB Memories
the great michalek debate... can he stay healthy. the bigger debate: if he stayed healthy he'd commend to much salary to re-sign if he can't then the organization will part ways. trading him after his 35 goal season might have been the best decision that was never made, would the organization trade him now with another prospect to grab someone else? if he can start the season healthy might be an option.
michalek + for Vanek? dare to dream...
11 months, 1 week ago on Michalek and Anderson Get Maintenance Days
1st: when are we getting more podcast?
2nd: we've gotten to the point where we have "too much depth" at the forward ranks. if we start loosing prospects due to waivers we'll have gained nothing from it. we're at a point when it's going to start making more sense to trade these guys for late round picks if we have to. I don't want to lose any of them like bryan but we're on the verge of losing Dacosta amongst others. my worries are that i don't want our organization to become a farm team for the rest of the NHL.
11 months, 2 weeks ago on Bryan Murray Speaks - Captaincy, Lazar, Losing Players on Waivers
what are you taking about replacing alfie? we've got silf preping to be that right now! ;) ok, i'm not completely serious but with the amazing drafting BM's done over the year lots is coming up in the pipeline. IMO Noeson is the next candidate to impress us that's coming. both ZIb and Silf have made a case for themselves this season as to why they should not be traded and considered part of the new core(well zib had been speculated by many maybe Silf less)
we've still got quite a few pieces coming up. you might be able to trade Michalek int he summer if healthy in a package with some youth. we need that top line winger still and a top 4 D could go a long way. do we sacrifice Ceci+ to aquire something along the lines of Boyle? maybe Bogosian will ask for lots of money and short term in order to reach the UFA market faster. that's a trade candidate if you ask me. that's someone you might package Ceci, prospect + pick for.
top line winger might prove a little harder.
plus who knows what we pick up at the draft
1 year, 5 months ago on Goodbye Crazy Plan
@S_Church Ya i think that's the reasoning also. I'm not sure we'll get another year where andersson performs this well. then again I'd trust more the organization next year having a tandem of andersson and lehner. then with Bishop. it's starting to look that with a healthy team we could possibly be already a team making deep forays into the playoffs.
1 year, 5 months ago on Senators Ink Andrew Hammond to a 2-year ELC
no way do the sens deal anything within the division. nada, not happeneing.
one also likes to think that even with a production drop and the rise of another prospect to being our top center Jason would make a fantastic second line center. If we are serious about winning the cup we should seriously consider holding on to as many top centers we may have within our organization.
As far as MM is concerned if we can maintain the course of a rebuild then trading him for a 1st and a top prospect would go a long way. It would be easier to find a replacement for Milan within or outside the organization. be it with filatov finding his game or the progression of one of our top picks wthin the next couple of years.
2 years, 9 months ago on Spezza: If the Price is Right? | November