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@bill5 @Archy Don
Spot on. This is exactly why statists want world government....so no one can escape their tyranny. .
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@bill5 @daybreakin2121 @Archy Don
I'm guessing that a "none of the above" would increase voter turnout. But that concept get's undercut by those that vote out of fear that one of the candidates is even worse.
@WilliamJRood @daybreakin2121 @Archy Don
Ain't "democracy" great? Shared guilt for what the government does..... you vote: its your fault. You don't vote: it's your fault.
Meanwhile the rulers laugh at how stupid people are who willingly give up their rights for a collectivist fantasy of "the common good". "The government is us" mantra" Rationals such as an "social contract" abound. You're born into it and thus are a slave to the collective.
"Democracy" has long been understood, as the most cost effective way of controlling the populace. The public face of the state may change with elections, but susprise! The policies never change.
"The Soviets were never so clever".
@WilliamJRood @daybreakin2121 @HannaKhayyat @TommyD6of11
The German government, anticipating the USA's involvement telegraphed by Wilson's actions, had arranged Lenin's return to Russia even though they despised him. They did this to cause trouble for the Czar to take pressure off the Eastern Front. This would free up German forces to be sent to the Western Front. The German government was looking for a knock out blow before the USA could get aid and troops to France.
When the Czar was overthrown in Russia, the intern government (pre Lenin/USSR) ceased actions against the Germans. The banking establishment feared a German victory would result in a default in their loans to France and England, so Wilson pushed the US into a war that was hugely unpopular. Wilson reacted with propaganda via The Committee on Public Information.
Wilson ruthlessly crushed dissent via the Sedition Act which outlawed any opposition to Wilson and his war. Actions as the Palmer Raids rounded up thousands.
The casus belli for the Viet Nam war was the second Gulf of Tonkin attack. The government now admits this was a lie.
The pretext for that war was the domino theory. After that war ended with Viet Nam being reunited, the domino theory was disproved.
What "victory" could you possibly be referring to?
Today the USA trades peacefully with that country. The deaths of hundreds of thousands of people was for nothing. Another war based on lies and deception by the US government.
@WilliamJRood @HannaKhayyat @TommyD6of11
Thank Woodrow Wilson for that. He ran on a platform of non involvement at the same time as he was setting the USA up to intercede in that war. Another betrayal of a population by an elected leader. .
Indeed people in the USA don't understand in the least the differences between Shia and Sunni. Let alone the complex ethnic divisions in the regions. But some think that the US government somehow has either the right or understanding to meddle in the ares.
"Boycotting the process is futile." Relying on the process for change is futile.
I do vote. But like you, I vote for none of the above.
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@AnthonyMaw @daybreakin2121 @ProudlyUnaffiliated
Correct Anthony. But you assume that the people who control the process care if the USA is broke. They are only concern about their own wealth and power. So, don't hold your breath waiting for rationality to break out in the beltway.
@Lybard Hoppe @bill5
Kinda a nice picture, no?
@TommyD6of11 @daybreakin2121 @Boris M Garsky
The "moderates" in Syria that the US trained in Jordan joined the al Nusra front or the IS, Another US debacle. Of course the weapons that both are using came from...the USA. After Iraqi soldiers ran and dropped their weapons.
I "grasp" something that you fail to understand. The US interventionist policies have failed. Radical Islam has been strengthened by US actions as there have been blowback.
If you are so concerned with radical Islam, then why don't you fund opposition and go fight yourself. Leave me and mine out of it. But you won't. Any more the the domestic statists will leave us alone in the USA.
"Iraq 660 tons of yellowcake" you'll get news coverage by all the majors reporting the post invasion sale to Canada of Saddams yellowcake. We never invaded Syria. There was a brief opportunity to support true moderates in Syria and we should have taken it. Alas, there are no longer any moderates to support."
Yikes. What an ignorant statement. The only way that
yellow cake would have been dangerous is if someone hit a person in the head
with a piece of it. That yellow cake was known by both the US and the UN
weapons inspectors and had been under seal by the weapons inspectors. They
didn't bother to remove it because it was harmless given the fact that it takes
massive infrastructure to refine it. Infrastructure Iraq didn't have and would
have taken at least a decade to produce..
"Crimea - the Russian controlled vote was a sham. And, in any case, is that your model of a stable world? Allowing any neighborhood bully to forcefully annex any territory with large ethnic minorities."
I see. So the vast majority of ethnic Russians who were threatened by the US puppet regime in Kiev really wanted to remain in the Ukraine and be repressed? BTW, international observers affirmed the election was fair.
1. The framework for the deal has been made.
2 WW II was a result of US intervention in WW I. Thank interventionists for that war.
3. Iran is no more radical than Saudi Arabia. Except women and Christians have more rights in Iran. Perhaps an invasion of SA is in order too. Fact is that Iran is fighting the IS while the USA and people like you have been advocating overthrowing those that oppose the IS. If that had happened, the IS would have been in control of Syria with the resultant genocide of Christians, Aliwites Shia and others.
You should stick to what you know. That would create silence on your part.
@Henry Solomon @HannaKhayyat
Might want to take a look at the head count on this to see who is doing most of the killing. For that mater, how many Iraqi children died under US sanctions AFTER WMD inspectors confirmed all WMD and production facilities had been destroyed.
Oh yeah, that's right. they are only savages. Not really human at all.
BTW, Don't bother to claim I'm a leftist. I am a real conservative. Not a Neo-Con pretender whose founders derive from the far radical left. True conservatives are not war mongers. .
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@Henry Solomon @swaps @Archy Don
The powers that be are moving all of them to the same point. Some are in favor of an increased surveillance state. I, and others like me, oppose that. Under a number of pretext spying on a subject population is a sign of increasing distrust of the population by rulers. Tyranny follows.
@WilliamJRood @daybreakin2121 @TommyD6of11 @marcopolo2150
Don't forget the "success" of creating chaos in the region. Either the powers that be are completely inept, or chaos is the policy goal.
Your points are indeed valid. Not limited to the foreign policy debacles though. Wall Street banks collapsed the economy..... and those same banks are bigger and the CEO's are unpunished for fraud and much wealthier.
@jmod46 @hardlooker @TommyD6of11
Not really. I seem to recall libertarians saying that invading Iraq was going to lead to blowback. Perhaps you've missed the IS and other radical groups gaining money and recruitment based on US foreign policy in the area? Or the fact that libertarians were correct in stating US regime change in Libya would lead to chaos in that nation? Many more examples.
On the other hand, it did cost the USA "next to nothing" to invade Iraq where the USA would be met by cheering crowds....... Well nope. But libertarians warned it would cost a LOT more in money and lives than was claimed.
Hey, who knows? The next conflict may produce what is claimed and cost "next to nothing" with no blowback.....or not. I'm going with ANOTHER fiasco by those who have a track record of being wrong.
Thanks for pointing out what the inspectors do. I have pointed out to those that STILL believe Iraq had WMD being built pre 2003. When the sites claimed to be WMD manufacturing facilities were found to be empty after the US invasion of Iraq in 2003, the nay sayers claimed that the sites had removed the production equipment and chemicals. Pretty hard to remove all the precursers from walls and dirt that was collected and tested..... but facts don't effect the religious cult like thought process that infects the useful idiots that accept any pretext to have another war.
Just trust the American government. They wouldn't invade a country on a pretext. They wouldn't bomb a nation under the pretext of "protecting" a harmless opposition group (that was armed to the teeth and later murdered a US Ambassador ). Pay no attention to the bombs that dropped in that nations capitol (which was hundreds of miles away from the (armed to the teeth radical Islamic group) .
Just trust the US government. Just because that government lies on domestic policies as soon as the US borders are crossed, that government always tells the truth.
An impoverished third would nation under constant observation with a struggling economy becomes a threat to the USA........ A country that spend some 60 X what Iran spends. With allies and client states on all side of Iran. With a blue water navy with massive offensive capability.
. If you are correct, then the US weapons supplied to the Saudi's are crap. The US taxpayers are being ripped off. The US military is incompetent. As is Israel....... I don't think that is true.
We've heard this stuff before. But if you really believe this, tell you what...... you pay for it. You go fight for it. Leave the rational and pragmatic alone to live their lives and create prosperity.
And THAT is absurd. Saudi Arabia alone out spends Iran 8 to 1 on military spending. Projecting that military force is way beyond any possible effort Iran could mount. Logistics of that "endgame" is just plain silly. Iran doesn't have the capability of even feeding those numbers of troops and would require a 500% increase in active military. Such efforts would quickly bankrupt that nation.
The Taliban were not in Iraq. Or Syria. Or Libya. Those, and other
countries were attacked. You have no point.
The Crimea is 85% ethnic Russian and voted in overwhelming numbers to
join with Russia. Crimea was once a part of Russia and was ceded to the Ukraine
by Stalin against the will of their population of that region. The ethnic
Russians in the Crimea voted such after the US engineered a overthrow of an
elected government in the Ukraine. That government the threatened it's own
people by seeking to ban the Russian language and subvert the human rights of
those people. So, you are claiming that a people have no right of self
determination and are owned by whatever government that exists at that time?Regardless of what that government does to them?
As far as gays in Iran? US client states are even more
repressive. Perhaps the USA should invade Saudi Arabia? Or sanction that
nation? Double standard. US client states are exempt on the human rights
issue, right? Lot's of human rights violations in the world. Up to their own
people to fix such. US invasions have made violations worse in Iraq. After the
deaths of hundreds of thousands, including earlier sanctions on that country.
Libya is chaos now. Much worse after regime change.
Indeed. A very bad idea. But bad ideas have not stopped the crazies in control of the USA, They profit by their policies and the people of the USA and the world pay for their bad ideas.
Excellent response. There are so many in the USA that are brainwashed into the fake left and fake right. It is managing the populace.
I do not agree with one thing. The USA is supposed to be a Republic. Correct. But today It isn't. The Republic ended long ago. A great shame. It was a noble effort by high minded individuals that understood that liberty would lead to a better outcome as human potential has few limits and is best if unfettered by a corrupt State,
1, Iran is involved with N Korea because they need a trading partner and the US has used sanctions against Iran. They also trade a lot with China for the same reason. Iran would likely trade with the US and US allied nations if sanctions were lifted. The Soviet Union ended, not by sanctions, but by their economic failure. Likewise, Cuba never changed government and was under US sanctions for half a century.
2. Caliphate is a Sunni concept. Iran is Shia. Radical Sunni's don't even consider Shia as being Islamic.
3. Many UN weapons inspectors are former US military officers. Mostly former special forces. officers. Sorry you don't trust the US military in this regard. BTW, UN weapons inspectors stated that pre US invasion of Iraq in 2003, Iraq had not rebuilt it's WMD capability. That was also the analysis of most of the US intelligence community. And US allies. Including Israeli intelligence as it turns out. Israeli intelligence on that subject was withheld from the USA BTW, Some ally.
4. Russia? So what? BTW if Russia had not objected to the attack on the Assad regime in Syria, the US would have bombed the Assad forces. The IS would have moved into and taken over that country. The IS would have murdered massive numbers of Aliwites, Shia. and Christians. What do you have against those people that you think merits their genocide?
5. If Iran is so interested in a plutonium bomb, why have they agreed to dismantle and replace the reactor that in capable of producing plutonium?
LOL. Love it when "conservatives" attack "liberals" without knowing what real "conservative" is. True conservative is not statist or interventionist. Saying that, at least the fakes that are in power should at least understand pragmatism. Interventionist foreign policy is an abject FAILURE. It has weakened the USA and created more problems, more hatred. But the "conservative" interventionists share the same real goal as the "liberals" in government. Expand government power and authority over the subject people of the USA and the world.
You might want to look up the Neo-Conservative roots. It derives from the far left. Even further left than those that style themselves "progressives".
@impumpy Agreed. But the idea that "they" will listen isn't going to happen..
@TommyD6of11 @Boris M Garsky So the idea is to attack nations that had nothing to do with 9-11? Destabilize an entire regions of the planet? Overthrow legal elected government's like in the Ukraine? Violate the constitution. Create a massive security organization to watch Americans. Spy on allies. Bilk taxpayers for trillions of dollars for failed interventions and all of the above? Create and advance terrorist organizations? Entrench regimes by threatening those countries? Support human rights violations and repressive pro US regimes?
@Kevin Bjornson @daybreakin2121 @Richard Vajs
What a bunch of baloney. If one does not agree with your world view, you seek to demonize them.
I down played down nothing that the German state did. You are the one that did that when you neglected to include the huge numbers of other victims the Nazi regime murdered. Only those of Jewish descent are important in your mind. Almost like the rest weren't quite human.
I am well aware of the history of the Jewish people and their repeated persecution. It's ironic that the the Islamic states in the past actually shielded the Jews from the Christians. Without such protection, they very well might have perished as a people. But you see things through your own racism and hatred while projecting such on others.
BTW. The Gaza tunnels have been used in two incidents. Both targets were Israeli soldiers. On the other hand the innocent children in Gaza And the tunnels have another purpose. To bring in food, medicine and fuel into the open air prison camp that is Gaza. . You use claims of the German atrocity against the Jews and yes others based on numbers. Well, ...... over 1,500 CIVILIAN residents of Gaza have lost their lives. including 250-400 innocent hildren. But those don't seem to count. Almost like they aren't quite human.
I do nothing to oppress you or Jewish people, or anyone else for that matter. I do not support such oppression in any form. Neither do I advocate that anyone pay for .what I believe in. But you do exactly that for what YOU believe in. Your excuse is that the Jewish people have been persecuted in the past. I accept that has indeed happened. .But I reject that I owe the Jewish people, or any others anything. I reject the use of force to redress a past wrong. Life and history is not always just.
Repeatedly here you insult demean and disparage and seek to shout down any that disagree using . disingenuous claims. Your vitriol is so extreme and demonizing so intense, one must wonder if you you had the power to do so if you would place others into cages or worse. Just disagreeing with such as you seems to be a crime in your mind. Such hubris.
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@Kevin Bjornson @Richard Vajs ear
The German Nazi State did indeed murder a huge number of innocent people. That is what many states do. Murder and oppression is a common function of the state. Some do more, and others less. The rationals given for this have repeated themes and target underlying emotions in order to get support. .Hatred of a internal or closely external population is one. In the case of the German Nazi regime, Jews were a internal target population. But they were hardly alone in being targets. Roma, Slavs, Poles, Ukrainian's and others were murdered in the millions.
One may ask; why is this referred to as "The Jewish Holocaust"? Why not just use : "Human Holocaust" ? And why is there so little recognition to other victims and other examples of predatory states? The voices of others is drowned out. Those others murdered by governments total in the hundreds of millions. Just in the 20th century.
Other themes used by states include beliefs of superiority. This is claimed to come form a deity, a history, a genetic identity, moral imperative , political ideology and others. Scratch below the surface rhetoric and one finds intolerance. The people that attracted to the power of the state and use that power are generally either opportunists or zealots. This is a recipe for oppression.
Moving past this waste of human lives and human potential would entail an understanding of natural law and true individual human rights. This would result in the state and those that use the state to lose power. And that is why there is so much disinformation propagated by those that enable the state and it's inevitable oppression of it's population.
Nazi Germany is just one example of a state at war with people. True, this is a truly egregious example. But it is hardly stands alone as an example. Some states are more circumspect in their oppression of the population ruled. And today, those that rule nations, often have found more effective ways to control their people.
You do understand what words like "atrocity" and "victims" mean? I used such in context of the Jewish people (and others BTW) in WW2 Germany?
Try reading what people write. i know that's hard for you but try anyway.
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@Kevin Bjornson @daybreakin2121 @13 Eagles
Re: "We" . Try reading the comment Brian. It's pretty clear what I meant
You haven't "documented" any thing Brian. Just the sources that are clearly biased. "Dozens of articles" ....Right. There were dozens of articles on WMD in Iraq also. They all came from the same source and were lies. I din't believe the claims or the supposed WMD and the imminent threat the US interests. The same sources now are likely the ones you still use as "documentation".
As for Hamas? I stated I am not a fan. Neither am I a fan or the Israeli state. And no, that does not make me anti Semitic. Those that seek to label people that dare criticize the state of Israel are also branded such. To me, it weakens their argument. One does not necessarily follow the other. This is as absurd as the claim that because a person criticizes Obama, that person hates African Americans.
As for the current conflict in Gaza? As is often the case in the crazy Middle East, who started what is difficult to determine. But in June 2014, Israel cracked down on Hamas in Gaza. That led to fringe Hamas affiliates to launch rockets into Israeli held land.. Israel responded with multiple air strikes, ...not on those that actually did the attack, but on elements of the Hamas leadership, killing 7. Then Hamas launched rockets into Israel. Over the last 13 years, 28 Israelis have been killed by rocket attacks. Some 1900 have been injured. The vast majority have been civilians.
In the latest conflict, over 2,000 Palestinian's have been killed. Including sone 250- 400 children. killed. 500,000 civilians have been driven from their homes. And the vast majority of these deaths have been innocent civilians. Israeli deaths are pegged at 72. Mostly military.
Funny, the arguments you continue to use are exactly the same as used by others I have read on the internet. Almost like they all come from the same source. Like bogus WMD did.
Let me know when you actually read what I write. I CLEARLY said I oppose all foreign aid to ANY country.
Dig yourself in a little deeper Kevin.
@Kevin Bjornson @13 Eagles @daybreakin2121 I don't care what a organization uses for an name. I don't care what their claims are. Each person can make up their own minds as to the veracity of the claims.
"We" didn't slaughter Jews in the holocaust.. Neither did "we" murder the Cambodians under Pol Pot. Add Rwanda, East Timor, the Congo and MANY more. Fact is those were done because people empowered a state. Without empowering a state murder at this scale is impossible,
Frankly, the use of a term "the" along with "holocaust" indicates that this atrocity was somehow unique. It wasn't. The implication that this was somehow different because the victims were Jewish is disturbing for what should be obvious reasons. Also the concept that I was involved or I as an individual owe someone something to someone because of THEIR families historical background? I reject it. Leave me alone. If you insist that I somehow owe another and must pay in one way or another means you support MY oppression.
As far as the fact in the latest violent incursion of the Israeli state into Gaza? There was a truce between Israel and Hamas. That truce was indeed broken. By Israel. With 49 incursions of the IDF into Gaza. All of which were unanswered by Hamas. Then came one were several leaders of Hamas were killed by the IDF. THEN Hamas lobed rockets into Israel.
The tunnels are a canard. As was the claims that the supposed kidnapping of three Israeli youths justified another incursion into Gaza. Hamas always takes "credit" for such if they do it. In this case Hamas denied it's involvement. Note I am not a Hamas fan either. But the sheer amount of propaganda by Israel and the knee jerk defenders of that state requires digging a little deeper if one is to have a opinion not warped by this massive control of the media and powerful lobby groups by pro Israeli advocates. Indeed, the amount of sheer disinformation is similar to that of Nazi propaganda minister Goebbels. "Repeat . the lies" indeed.
On the above....I disagree with the US involvement in the Middle East. I am forced to support such with taxes and by deficit spending / and reduction in the buying power of my earnings due to expansion of the money supply by the Federal Reserve to pay for it. This is oppression. By pro Israel elements that have an disproportionate influence on western media and many states throughout the world. I do not blame the Jewish people for this. As individuals, many oppose these things. BUT I do blame pro Israel groups and the Israeli state for this.
The insanity is to retain an institution that daily robs the productive and transfers their wealth to the unproductive.
The insanity is to not getting rid of the Federal Reserve long ago. This institution was empowered under an unconstitutional charter that included price stability and instead has caused the buying power of the dollar to decline by 96%.
The Federal Reserve attempts to centrally plan the US economy. This in the face of massive proof that centrally planned economies do not do well. It is insane, given this fact to actually INCREASE the power of the Fed after repeated failures. This is exactly what has happened.
You talk about millions of transactions and the need to have the Federal Reserve for this. The fact is these functions can be done EASILY and would quickly be replaced by free markets as soon as an announcement was made that the Fed was being discontinued.
Again, the arguments you use are versions of those statists use to defend the status quo, crony, corrupt and extractive established order.
@Kevin Bjornson @daybreakin2121 @13 Eagles
A non sequitur. The Fed is not producing food, or any other service. To use your analogy....... The "farm" is being extracted. Getting rid of Central Banking removes a drain on the farm, increasing it;s productivity, not eliminating it. Your argument assumes the Fed has either a function that cannot be rapidly replaced or that there is a positive function in the first place. Central Banking is toxic to the economy.
A better analogy would be if one is getting robbed, and defrauded, then why would one be hesitant to remove the means that the criminals are using to rob you? The only people to get hurt here would be the criminals.
@Kevin Bjornson @rmjarvis
Israel most closely matches the traits of "National Socialism".
@rmjarvis @Kevin Bjornson Not all RM. But quite a few. Most are not, but Neo-Cons, regardless of who they are, are hugely destructive to the USA and the world. As far as "Kevin" ? Who knows? I, myself would wonder if he is connected with something like Hasbara.
Technically the Fed is privatized now. Just given authority by the government to a greater degree than the other crony monopolies that the state enables for the benefit of the powerful at the expense of the general population.
There is no need for a central banking except as a means of extracting wealth from the productive. The Fed "creates" money digitally. That "money" is not backed by real production or savings. It only dilutes the actual savings based on real production,
As far as "clearing checks, card transactions, and wire transfers..."? Those functions can easily be accomplished by other means.
You said.... "Why do you bother to engage in debate, when you have already written the script?" You should look into a mirror when you say such. Using verbal extremes such as " the results would be catastrophic" is an example of what you have been doing . throughout this thread. And THAT is an attempt to write "the script".
Your rationalizations simply distill down to "there is a situation, difficulty or problem......therefore the State, or therefore the Fed, or therefore intervention." There are other solutions. Better solutions. Solutions that do not entail repression or oppression in the form theft or other assaults on the property and person of anothers.
@Kevin Bjornson @rmjarvis Iran is hardly a threat to Israel. During the Iran Iraq war, Israel provided and sold Iran with weapons, parts for military aircraft (that came as US "foreign aid" ) and personal to repair Iranian weapon systems that Iran could no longer get from the USA.
Iran is hardly a threat to Israel. Israel has one of the largest nuclear weapons arsenals on the earth. And Israel has accurate delivery systems able to destroy any target in Iran. Or Pakistan. Israel also is able to launch ballistic and cruse missile from submarines. Israel also has Iran outgunned in fighter jets, tanks and pretty much everything else.
Iran is just the next target. Just like Iraq was. Israel was well aware that Iraq had no WMD prior to the 2003 debacle of the USA's invasion. Still, Israel cheered the USA on in what is becoming the greatest strategic disaster for the USA in the last 50 years.
Now Iran is the target. Iran which is the natural counter to the rising military power if ISIS, al Nusra and al Queda.
True. There are many non Jewish Neo-Cons. Fact is that many Jewish people have been, and now are, those that rank most effective in opposing the insane US policy of the Neo-Con dominated US state. Kudos to them.
I don't care what ethnic or religious or whatever a neo-con is. Fact is that ideology is subversive to the world's peace and prosperity. Dangerous.
@Kevin Bjornson @13 Eagles Nonsense and another statist answer. . The Federal Reserve and central banking is a cartel/monopoly . It allows a financial elite to skim off wealth from the economies of the world. Those elites are parasites. Worse, central banking is destructive to the economies of world. Under central banking, booms and bust become the norm and speculation is promoted instead or real investment.
Romes republic ended the same way states usually do. Those that are attracted to power gravitate to the easiest way of gaining wealth and power. That is through the state. These people are not the best of humanity....to say the least. Rather they are the worst. A examination of their psychology shows most of them to be akin to con men. Narcissistic and sociopathic, they surround themselves with those that mirror their own beliefs. Cronies.
The results are always a disassociation with those they seek to rule. They come to believe that their intellect and decisions place the state above natural law. The result is oppression. Often, this results in useless wars against the people of other states and against their subject populations. States murdered their own people in the hundreds of millions in the last century alone.
Mass theft.. Wars. Genocide. Oppression. The legacy of the state. Time to move pass it.
@Kevin Bjornson @daybreakin2121
LOL. You're not a anarcho capitalist any more than neo-cons were/are conservatives. Neo cons fooled the old right but you're not fooling people like me anymore. I witnessed the neo-con infiltration of the conservative movement and how they undermined that political ideology.
Your words betray you. Glossing over with a handful of inconsistent phrases won't convince.
@Kevin Bjornson @daybreakin2121 @13 Eagles
Gee, I wouldn't know. But if you figure out why you support fascism let me know. Again Nazi, Communism, Fascism, Socialism and other political ideologies that are statist are your game. NOT mine.
@Kevin Bjornson @daybreakin2121 I hardly "by passed" your words. And like anyone intelligent does, I create my opinions based on what I see in words, actions or support of the actions of others. Experience. I have quite a lot of that.
Then you go on to do the same thing you criticize me for! LOL. But really, you might want to bone up a bit on political theory and the function of the state.
And no. I would not "overthrow these statist governments by force" That's your kind of solution . I seek a answer that is beyond the state. I know it is inconceivable to you, but there are many functions of society that exist quite well without the state. I would seek to expand that. And no, I don't have to explain how that is to be done. Most of the advances in technology and the human condition were not seen in advance. I have faith the humanity can find answers that do not require increasing restrictions on peoples natural rights.
Funny that those that control the state are able to increase the power and wealth they have without being productive. This is know as "political entrepreneurship" or the "political means". They accomplish such by duping the masses using propaganda such as explained by Bernay's in "Propaganda".
Amusing that you fall back on the use of force again and again in your arguments. Also quite telling.
@Kevin Bjornson @13 Eagles
Here we go with the lame guilt by alleged association stuff again. Wow. And playing a modified Hitler card too! LOL. So predictable with "liberty" posers. Yeah this stuff was all over Neo-Con, Progressive and other super statist sites. Clear where you are coming from Kevin. Note: Hitler was a statist. He came tom power as a result of US intervention in WW 1. As did Lenin and because of Lenin...Stalin. Now statist interventionists are empowering radical Islam. Wash rinse repeat ....... the same disasters over and over. Past time to reject this.
@MarkThomason "We" didn't do anything. I, as a individual had nothing to do with it other than being victimized by have my money confiscated to pay for it. The US state did this. That state is under the control of sociopaths.
@RogerTompkins @rmjarvis @RothschildMark Nope. The revolution against Gaddaffi was a coalition of opposing groups that allied with each other because they wanted control of the Libyan state. Nothing more. Gaddaffi actually had more support than any of those opposed to his regime.
Gaddaffi was no angel. But the Libyans are undergoing something much worse than under his despotism. That country is now divided and undergoing the beginning of a civil war. There has been ethnic cleansing and likely more will come. But, once again, the Western powers have sewn division and chaos.
One must look at the results of another intervention. Bad for the USA because it creates terrorism, Radicalized terrorist groups are now very active in Libya when there was essentially none under Gaddaff. The Libyan people are poorer and there is no internal security in that nation.
This is US foreign policy at work. The Benghazi blowback is just the first result of many.
@Kevin Bjornson The USA gives $3.3 Billion a year to Israel. Much of that goes to military arms. Some of the rest of it is essentially laundered and goes to purchase political and media power. Likewise much of the "paid for" military equipment is under crony sweetheart deals.
But since you claim to be against taxes and only favor "user fees", you must be opposed to this. Guessing not. BTW, it isn't just aid to Israel I'm against. I'm against all foreign aid extorted from people by the state. It's just more corruption and cronyism.
@RogerTompkins @Ulick @ProudlyUnaffiliated Add the Clintons to the list of US punks.